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S05. E14. Something Better

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A group of American missionaries is taken hostage abroad. Stevie takes over Russell's social media. Henry helps his niece prepare for deployment.

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What dumb-ass 19 year old students need to learn is, that if you insult the political leaders of a foreign country in that country, and they respond by standing you up against a wall, you don't have anybody to blame but yourself.

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3 hours ago, Netfoot said:

What dumb-ass 19 year old students need to learn is, that if you insult the political leaders of a foreign country in that country, and they respond by standing you up against a wall, you don't have anybody to blame but yourself.

Yes, but is that what happened in this episode? I dozed off several times because I watched it clandestinely much later because CBS has a crappy over-the-air signal.
I did catch the bit about being fit for a battle zone if you can fall asleep anywhere anytime--ready to report for duty, sir!
Will rewatch later to see who the guy was with his arm around Jay's chess-playing gf and exactly how the panda-cam-gate played out.

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A President of Nicaragua named Sandino?  Really, writers?  That was a bit too obvious. 

I wonder what happened to the two CIA clones after they got back to the US.  Consulting work at some think tank, perhaps?

Stevie pulled a rabbit, or, more precisely, a panda, out of the hat and made Russell proud of her.  Can your own daughter be Chief of Staff when you run for President?

I liked the nurse's worry about her deployment.  "What if I screw up and a patient dies?"  Well, you get to come home and work on any number of television medical dramas.  Happens all the time.

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14 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

Stevie pulled a rabbit, or, more precisely, a panda, out of the hat and made Russell proud of her.  Can your own daughter be Chief of Staff when you run for President?

I imagine the series ending with the outcome of the presidential election—whether Bess wins or not—so I'm picturing Stevie as PR person for her mom's campaign.

Jay embracing his gf was heartwarming with the moving mood music.

Most hopeful was:
 

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5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:
8 hours ago, Netfoot said:

What dumb-ass 19 year old students need to learn is, that if you insult the political leaders of a foreign country in that country, and they respond by standing you up against a wall, you don't have anybody to blame but yourself.

Yes, but is that what happened in this episode?

We might be at crossed-purposes here.

I was referring to the 19 year-old foreign student who went to an oppressive, central-American dictatorship and participated in a political protest rally. She shouldn't have been shocked to find herself barricaded in a church.  Some countries -- typically oppressive, central-American dictatorships -- don't allow political protest.  Such acts are deemed illegal, and are often met with a response involving teargas and musketry.

This reminds me (slightly) of a case I seem recall wherein a young American tourist went to the Isle of Mann, daubed half the town with rattle-can street "art", and was sentenced to a birching for vandalism.  The State Department and the general public were up in arms about that as well.  Not that it did him any good...

The thing is, if you don't want to be subject to barbaric / archaic punishment in foreign countries, you should refrain from visiting those countries and breaking the law.

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3 hours ago, Netfoot said:

The thing is, if you don't want to be subject to barbaric / archaic punishment in foreign countries, you should refrain from visiting those countries and breaking the law.

And realize those laws maybe very different from your country of origin's laws, and disagreeing with them doesn't mean you get to break them with no consequences.  There are plenty of nice civilized countries in the world I'll visit, there are hundreds of countries who are stuck in the dark ages which I have absolutely no interest whatsoever getting anywhere near.

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I was happy to see that Henry's niece was more on the curvy side, and that that was not raised as an issue. I wish we saw more of that on television.

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I liked the callback to President Dalton's previous CIA career.  I was terribly confused that Sandino Senior had all the scarring on the right side of his face, as a result of the screwed CIA op back in the day, and Sandino Junior had some very similar scarring on the left side of his face.  Was that supposed to have been from the same incident, or was Junior trying to borrow his dad's political cachet as a "hero to the people" even as he was oppressing his people?

I did love pandagate though.  That was awesome.  I do love it when Russell is exasperated.  But I also think he's a good boss.  He tells his employees when he's unhappy with them, and he tells his employees--and rewards them--when they've done good.  Even if it wasn't the good he wanted, or the path he wanted.  Russell is all about results.

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I don't know who the actor was who portrayed the young Dalton but he was very good & looked remarkably like Keith Carradine.  The Panda storyline with Stevie & Russel was amusing...Russell is a teddy bear underneath the gruff exterior.

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16 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Stevie pulled a rabbit, or, more precisely, a panda, out of the hat and made Russell proud of her.  Can your own daughter be Chief of Staff when you run for President?

I really can't believe Stevie thought Russell would be okay with her posting the panda thing. Yes, some people would think it was sweet, but obviously it's against the image he wants to project. Which is why he describes watching the pandas as "going off the grid."

But of course it all worked out and saved sick children. This show is like fantasy land sometimes.

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20 hours ago, Netfoot said:

What dumb-ass 19 year old students need to learn is, that if you insult the political leaders of a foreign country in that country, and they respond by standing you up against a wall, you don't have anybody to blame but yourself.

Self-righteous do-gooding "missionaries", intent on spreading organised superstition in other countries and thinking they have a supreme being on their side, that's the kind of dumb and arrogant 19-year old who would land themselves in such situations. I could not really feel any sympathy for those characters, but thankfully the hostages were not the focus of the story.

16 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

A President of Nicaragua named Sandino?  Really, writers?  That was a bit too obvious. 

At first I was trying to figure if perhaps they had made up a country with a name that resembles "Nicaragua", but no they did go for the truly obvious with that one.

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Enjoyed this episode.  How is this show not nominated for good things?  Loved seeing Raymond Cruz / Julio Sanchez from Major Crimes which I adored so much.  He was a compelling former leader who loved his country and his badly damaged family and I loved his heroism.  There were so many good side stories — the niece going to serve, Jay and his insecurities about Annelise (and that ahhhhh last moment), Daisy actually wearing sleeves in the winter, Stevie and her instincts, Russell being his curmudgeon, softie self, Blake and his hurt remarks when Jay didn’t confide in him, Bess’ brother giving blunt, awkward, yet good advice to Sarah, the awesome Adele, Dalton and Bess talking about hope and taking chances.  

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12 hours ago, HurricaneVal said:

I liked the callback to President Dalton's previous CIA career.  I was terribly confused that Sandino Senior had all the scarring on the right side of his face, as a result of the screwed CIA op back in the day, and Sandino Junior had some very similar scarring on the left side of his face.  Was that supposed to have been from the same incident, or was Junior trying to borrow his dad's political cachet as a "hero to the people" even as he was oppressing his people?

I did love pandagate though.  That was awesome.  I do love it when Russell is exasperated.  But I also think he's a good boss.  He tells his employees when he's unhappy with them, and he tells his employees--and rewards them--when they've done good.  Even if it wasn't the good he wanted, or the path he wanted.  Russell is all about results.

I think he and his father walked into the building from different angles - so maybe his face was affected on the other side because of that

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18 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

I really can't believe Stevie thought Russell would be okay with her posting the panda thing. Yes, some people would think it was sweet, but obviously it's against the image he wants to project. Which is why he describes watching the pandas as "going off the grid."

But wasn't that the whole point, that Russell needed a social media manager because he needed to soften his image due to his publicized confrontations with the homeless activist?  A more interesting take on this, though, which is to your point, was that Russell intellectually understood that engaging Stevie to manage his social media image was going to soften how he is perceived, and is needed due to his recent issues, but in execution it made Russell uncomfortable to not be seen as a totally bulletproof political hardass.  With a soupcon of "Waaaaaaaait....my time with the pandas is my time, and my secret, privately held vice...."  If Russell should be angry with anyone, he should be angry with his office assistant who outed his panda love to Stevie.  But in the tradition of very good OAs in the vein of Mrs. Landingham, Russell's OA knew what he needed and made it happen by spilling those particular beans to Stevie. 

Or maybe I'm overthinking this...  Ha!

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That was such a great ep! Squeeee

I know it's not terribly realistic but with the state of the world today I am glad the show tries to deliver a message of hope rather than doom and gloom.

Russell and the pandas!!!!!! OMG I almost died of laughter! I LOVE LOVE LOVE how this show has serious themes but can also inject so much humour and cute into their episodes. This show is one of my top 2 for viewing right now. I can always depend on it!

Russell and pandas, Conrad back story, Bess and Conrad scene at the end, Bess and Ming, Bess's wacky brother! It had EVERYTHING I love.

Bess and Ming are just so....cute together in a totally platonic, non shippy way. They'd make a great team if they were in an environment where they were working together. I could watch a whole episode of Bess and Ming antics, snarking at each other while they perform tasks.

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1 hour ago, Mellowyellow said:

Bess and Ming are just so....cute together in a totally platonic, non shippy way. They'd make a great team if they were in an environment where they were working together. I could watch a whole episode of Bess and Ming antics, snarking at each other while they perform tasks.

More Bess+Ming, please. It's a tough world, and Bess+Ming are our John and Yoko giving peace a chance. How about in MSec world, they form a Pacific Rim Union, not unlike the EU?

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I really liked this episode.  Not much of Jason, which is always a good thing, and there was relatively little of Henry, although of course he had the answer to the question about what was most important for a trauma nurse.  There's nothing he doesn't know!  But I imagine a pilot, especially a combat pilot, is aware of the importance of sufficient rest.

Do we know if Russell has children?  

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I think it's time for Eric Stoltz to abandon the long-ish hair. At some angles, he liked like a homeless woman. The volume just ain't there.

Russell's the best. 

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On 2/24/2019 at 3:26 AM, Calvada said:

I really liked this episode.  Not much of Jason, which is always a good thing, and there was relatively little of Henry, although of course he had the answer to the question about what was most important for a trauma nurse.  There's nothing he doesn't know!  But I imagine a pilot, especially a combat pilot, is aware of the importance of sufficient rest.

Do we know if Russell has children?  

He has at least one son. They were trying to reach him when Russell was in the hospital.

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I've been having a really shitty day, so watching that Russell panda stuff made me feel a little better. (Sorry, Russell.)

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