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On 12/24/2017 at 3:43 PM, SusanSunflower said:

Was John seen in part I of this special?  (He's listed as being in every episode ever, but I don't remember seeing him)

Yup, we see him, Judith, Laurence and Angus at his and Judith's even more palatial House that Fantasy Built. John is vexedly lamenting that Britain will never be a socialist republic, as he stands in the kitchen dressed like James Bond (as Laurence points out). Judith wonders if the boys are house-broken enough to be left alone while they go collect her latest award, and John croons "Of course," then gives the boys a very Dad-dish, silent, warning-finger-narrowed-eyes gesture before following Judith out the door.

Then we see him drop Laurence off at Caroline's new house because, as John says, "He's not happy living with us" (shrugged off and yet confided in a sincere yet very conditional,  "But then you're his mum: you'd know all about that" tone). John also wonders if -- well, test-launches the accusation that -- Caroline moved too quickly in changing her life, and gave no thought to anyone else (John). "At least you can have him over the holidays, can't you," says John, reasonably, of these next weeks when Laurence isn't in school, Caroline is moving into a new home and preparing to take on a new career. He is halfway back to London before Caroline lifts up her steady gaze and uncrosses her arms.

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On ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 9:01 PM, fauntleroy said:

Forgot about this show for ages. Watched this episode so remembered why I stopped watching. So many annoying characters, primarily Celia but also both sons (?) Who seem useless twats. Support your mum for god sakes. Oh and that ex John? Awful.

And the accident with the angle grinder just to do a plot point, careless on both parts.

All too bad, because I like the well, not sure what, really!

Yeah, I watched it mostly out of obligation.  I really think they should've stopped after season two, 'cause it's gone downhill badly.  Especially all the ret-conning of Eddie's death.

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I felt a bit of irritation that they had predictably checked off the box harboring any suspicion that Caroline might either "not be gay" or be bisexual or that her romance with Kate had been uniquely all about the glory of Kate (I'm being facetious)... however, Olga, the new girl, seems to fit into the "Kate slot" and seems -- if the show continues -- will be no rival to the Caroline Supremacy either financially or educationally or tempermentally.  Like Kate, she will yield to the power of the Caroline the Great.... do I hear patter of yet more little feet?    feh

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meh, I thought Caroline yielded to Kate's desire to be mother with the suggestion that Kate would be doing the heavy lifting and was the one whose career would consequently be placed on the back burner (very conventional).  Actually, I was joking about little feet ... just feeling that the show has somehow acquired a bunch of toddlers ... what's another one?  Babies look so festive and homey, particularly when they're as easy going, no fuss, no muss, and quiet as churchmice (or simply off camera).   I guess I find Caroline's "impulsiveness" a bit off-putting ... leaping into bed with a new lover in the middle of all this tumult is predictable enough, although taking life-altering career and other advice from an virtual stranger a bit more problematic (given how many lives are altered Caroline's decisions).  I'm still not quite over Kate's death and the feeling that the relationship between Caroline and Kate was likely lucky to have been "killed off" ... and yet, here it again, except this time her name is Olga. 

eta:  I'm reminded of the shopworn and never terribly apt joke about "What does a lesbian bring on a second date?"  "A U-haul."  attributed to rapid progression to move-in-together, get married, have kids...  by which I mean -- not to offend anyone -- the show seemed to be reinforcing that stereotype. 

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23 hours ago, SusanSunflower said:

meh, I thought Caroline yielded to Kate's desire to be mother with the suggestion that Kate would be doing the heavy lifting and was the one whose career would consequently be placed on the back burner (very conventional). 

So?  Caroline didn't particularly want more children so why should she have put her career on the backburner instead?

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I merely meant that Kate wanted a baby and she got to have a baby (much as one might be allowed a pet) with the understanding she'd be doing the heavy lifting ... as the birth mother (maternity leave and time spent getting ready to go back to work) as well as the lower wage earner, it made sense.  It was conventional in the dynamics of the Kate + Caroline (IMHO) reinforcing Caroline as the dominant partner.   It was going to be Kate's baby ... before unforeseen tragedy.  It wasn't some vast "generosity" of Caroline's since Kate's baby lust might well otherwise derail the relationship (as is seems to continue to do just as much in 2017 as it did in 1960). 

This was reinforced again in the cute-meet with Olga where Caroline mentioned how very expensive the car Olga had just crashed into was ....  Caroline's instinct is to pull rank ... something common enough in bosses and take charge types, but something that compounded with "class differences" (even if Olga's parents were posh-but-poor) can strain even loving relationships... and poking class differences used to be one of the highlights of this show ... particularly Caroline v. Gillian and the Cold Comfort Farm crowd.  Nice that Alan cleans up so well and offers ne'er a complaint to be criticized for, living with Celia in Caroline's home. 

eta:  Also to-be-explored, and related to baby-lust, etc. -- with Olga as was not possible with Kate, are the ramifications of being involved with someone quite a bit younger than yourself.  Olga and Kate both appear to be likely 10 years younger.  

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I merely meant that Kate wanted a baby and she got to have a baby (much as one might be allowed a pet) with the understanding she'd be doing the heavy lifting ... as the birth mother (maternity leave and time spent getting ready to go back to work) as well as the lower wage earner, it made sense.  It was conventional in the dynamics of the Kate + Caroline (IMHO) reinforcing Caroline as the dominant partner.   It was going to be Kate's baby ... before unforeseen tragedy.  It wasn't some vast "generosity" of Caroline's since Kate's baby lust might well otherwise derail the relationship (as is seems to continue to do just as much in 2017 as it did in 1960). 

It's nothing like being allowed to have a pet.  Kate wanted a baby and Kate was having a baby whether or not she was with Caroline, which is fine because it was her life and her decision.  Kate broke up with Caroline over having the baby; if Caroline hadn't compromised, they wouldn't have been together.  But that was previous seasons anyway and so not really relevant to this episode.  And we're clearly not going to agree on Caroline's character anyway.

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I was disappointed in this Christmas Special, but then, I've been falling out of love with this series slowly with each new season.  My husband gave up on it completely after seeing part 1 of this Christmas Special.  I saw part 2 last night, and that will probably be my last tango in Halifax.  These two episodes were OK but held none of the charm of the early series.  Even the actors looked bored.  

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Yes, and why would Caroline buy a house with only two usable bedrooms (one, per Celia, quite small and damp)?  Were there unusable bedrooms that could be made usable?  And why would a 2 bedroom house have that absolutely enormous gorgeous kitchen? and the outbuilding/garage/stable? Gillian's house which looks to be around the same size appears to have around 4 bedrooms (at least) ... not to mention, why was Caroline (who had just moved in and was about to start a new job) hosting Christmas as-always, the house transformed into Martha Stewart Christmas approved? 

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Hi - We just watched the first episode last night (going from one Netflix series to another since December).  I like to read ahead on what to watch for because I have ADHD and tend to miss a lot while watching . . . while playing Candy Crush . . . or crocheting.  Did I mention I have ADHD?  LOL.

Anyway, the posts above amused me, because of the references to Caroline as Catherine.  She was "Catherine" in Happy Valley.  Now she's Caroline.

I have joked for years that there are only about 12 actors in all of the UK . . . and they're all in every movie or TV series.  Easy mistake to make.

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I recorded and watched the Christmas special, and enjoyed so much I looked for the series.  Delighted to find it on Netflix, so watched this one yesterday.  Overall, really liked it.  Celia’s car chase was hilarious, and also liked the meeting of the two families.  Awkward!

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On 1/2/2018 at 6:45 AM, SusanSunflower said:

Yes, and why would Caroline buy a house with only two usable bedrooms (one, per Celia, quite small and damp)?  Were there unusable bedrooms that could be made usable?  And why would a 2 bedroom house have that absolutely enormous gorgeous kitchen? and the outbuilding/garage/stable? Gillian's house which looks to be around the same size appears to have around 4 bedrooms (at least) ... not to mention, why was Caroline (who had just moved in and was about to start a new job) hosting Christmas as-always, the house transformed into Martha Stewart Christmas approved? 

I finally got the Christmas episodes on DVD from the library, as they weren't available on Netflix . . . and I didn't get addicted to this show until after the sessions would have aired on PBS (if our local station even carried it).

I got the sense that there were two large bedrooms, and other bedrooms as well, but two of them were probably designated for the sons.  The issue seemed to be that the only bedrooms that weren't damp were Caroline's and the tiny one at the end of the hall.  She didn't say there weren't other rooms . . . it just seemed that none of them were available.

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Watched both Christmas episodes last night.  As the credits were rolling, I was yelling at the TV . . . "Wait a minute.  Why doesn't our Gillian get a happy ending?"  Please, Robbie, come back.

All things considered, I wish I had skipped both Christmas episodes.

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On 12/29/2016 at 2:48 PM, GinnyMars said:

I thought that final scene made it look quite like a series finale though. I hope that's not it! I want to go back to Halifax soon.

I suspect Sally Wainwright does too, and that the Christmas Special was designed to serve as a series finale only if need be. At the same time, she may feel there's not that much more story to tell about Alan and Celia -- in the form of romantic comedy, anyway. While Gillian and Caroline can be imagined as having put the worst of their ambivalence behind them, accepted themselves for who and where they are, and headed out into mature-adult adventures of their own. 

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On 12/15/2017 at 7:07 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Hmmm, you know things are out of whack when Celia, the pettiest grudge holder on the show, is being the voice of reason and telling Alan to get over it.

LOL but isn't her motive purely to get Alan to accept the ticket upgrade? At first like you suggest I thought wow, Celia had character growth!? But then the self-interest came out. She drove me crazy to the point of TV yelling. Sorry for posting so late and no-one is around here anyway, but I just re-watched the series so I could remember what was going on before watching the final 2 episodes.

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On 3/2/2018 at 9:56 AM, AZChristian said:

Watched both Christmas episodes last night.  As the credits were rolling, I was yelling at the TV . . . "Wait a minute.  Why doesn't our Gillian get a happy ending?"  Please, Robbie, come back.

Gillian has so many demons that perhaps it's impossible. I believe she wants to face consequences for her act and her future looks very uncertain with Robbie out of the picture. I could imagine her unravelling completely if the series did continue. Which I guess it is not going to.  And personally I don't think I could stand watching another season of Celia.

I did like the show quite a bit and certainly the best aspect was the merging family stories. All the acting was top notch and most of the storylines were well done. But the core "love" story was fairly annoying to me. I'm all for complex characters but  Celia's self-aborption and victim mentality was maddening. 

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I'm in here trying not to read any posts since I haven't seen the two parter Christmas special yet, but I just noticed those two eps are on Netflix now. Have they been there for a while?  because I didn't notice. I know they ran on the PBS streaming site, but I only watched a tiny bit of one,and didn't return fast enough to finish and then they took them off, so I've been waiting for Netflix to get them.

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3 hours ago, Valny said:

I just noticed those two eps are on Netflix now. Have they been there for a while?

Nope, they just popped up in the last few days.

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They haven't been on Netflix for long.  I actually got the DVDs from the library to see the last two episodes, and then they showed up (eventually) on Netflix.

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On 4/5/2018 at 8:59 AM, Stella said:

LOL but isn't her motive purely to get Alan to accept the ticket upgrade? At first like you suggest I thought wow, Celia had character growth!? But then the self-interest came out. She drove me crazy to the point of TV yelling. Sorry for posting so late and no-one is around here anyway, but I just re-watched the series so I could remember what was going on before watching the final 2 episodes.

That's okay, I'm even later, and don't even have anything to say!

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As far as I know, there are no plans for another season since the write/creator has a busy schedule. But who knows, fingers crossed she can someday make the time. Ii think most of the cast are all for it. But these actors aren't getting any younger.

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I've never seen the stuff with Eddie's death as being a retcon. We got more and more new information about his death as the show went on, and we learned that certain characters hadn't been entirely honest in their descriptions of it, but the writer never violated continuity. I always saw it as a mystery.

Even in season one, I questioned whether the account we heard of Eddie's death was accurate. Robbie made a pretty good case for why he thought Gillian murdered him. And when Gillian told Raff that it was a suicide, it seemed like she was holding something back.

We never heard Alan question whether it was really suicide until season two, but when he told Celia about it in season one, he seemed to be holding something back himself.

Alan being extremely bitter about Eddie's death seemed pretty out of the blue. But I could see that being something he'd been repressing for a while, and then once Gillian started pissing him off in other ways (like telling them off at their wedding), the bitterness came out.

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