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On 1/5/2019 at 8:29 PM, sereion said:

It is important to note that dream hampton reached out to several major recording artists for this docuseries, (notably Jay-Z, Erykah Badu and Dave Chapelle to name a few)---John Legend was the only one who participated; the rest turned a blind eye by declining to come forward and call him out on his creepy behavior. It's as if he's immune to the MeToo movement.

I saw an interesting take on it from Questlove who essentially said he declined to participate, not because he didn't think that he's a trash human being, but because he thinks that he's a trash musician and objected to the premise that he would have to talk about how successful R. Kelly was as a musician and entertainer. I could see where he was coming from the John Legend piece was prominent in the whole setup around "why was R. Kelly allowed to do this? He was a musical genius!!!!" I'm not sure how they would have reflected Questlove's "He was, is, and always will be garbage" narrative. 

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What the hell was going on at the high school that they allowed some 20-something to come around regularly and pick out specific girls to talk to and leave with them?!?!

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3 hours ago, Rlb8031 said:

I saw an interesting take on it from Questlove who essentially said he declined to participate, not because he didn't think that he's a trash human being, but because he thinks that he's a trash musician and objected to the premise that he would have to talk about how successful R. Kelly was as a musician and entertainer. I could see where he was coming from the John Legend piece was prominent in the whole setup around "why was R. Kelly allowed to do this? He was a musical genius!!!!" I'm not sure how they would have reflected Questlove's "He was, is, and always will be garbage" narrative. 

This is why I adore Questlove!

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On 1/5/2019 at 8:46 PM, Neurochick said:

He should have gone to jail decades ago when he married Aaliyah.  I wish Aaliyah was still with us, I’d love to hear her take on this.

From Wikipedia: "Aaliyah was known to avoid answering questions regarding Kelly following the professional split. During an interview with Christopher John Farley, she was asked if she was still in contact with him and if she would ever work with him again. Farley said Aaliyah responded with a "firm, frosty 'no'" to both of the questions. Vibe magazine said Aaliyah changed the subject anytime "you bring up the marriage with her". A spokeswoman for Aaliyah said in 2000 that when "R. Kelly comes up, she doesn't even speak his name, and nobody's allowed to ask about it at all". Kelly later commented that Aaliyah had opportunities to address the pair's relationship after they separated professionally but chose not to. In 2019, Damon Dash revealed to Hip Hop Motivation that Aaliyah didn't even speak of her relationship with Kelly in private; she tried multiple times to discuss it with him, but was only able to find the courage to say that Kelly was a "bad man". She told him that she could only possibly discuss the relationship with a professional councilor. Dash said he was unable to watch Surviving R. Kelly because its interviews with visibly traumatized girls struggling to discuss their encounters with Kelly reminded him of how Aaliyah behaved when trying to recount her relationship with Kelly."

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7 hours ago, Rlb8031 said:

I saw an interesting take on it from Questlove who essentially said he declined to participate, not because he didn't think that he's a trash human being, but because he thinks that he's a trash musician and objected to the premise that he would have to talk about how successful R. Kelly was as a musician and entertainer. I could see where he was coming from the John Legend piece was prominent in the whole setup around "why was R. Kelly allowed to do this? He was a musical genius!!!!" I'm not sure how they would have reflected Questlove's "He was, is, and always will be garbage" narrative. 

Gotta agree with Questlove, there.  I always thought R. Kelly's singing voice was overwrought, and that he had a real hammy, laughably bad stage presence.  The words "R. Kelly" and "genius" should never be used in the same sentence, IMO.

6 hours ago, BuyMoreAndSave said:

What the hell was going on at the high school that they allowed some 20-something to come around regularly and pick out specific girls to talk to and leave with them?!?!

Good question.  When that former teacher was talking about how she told him to stay away from the young girls, I actually said out loud, "And what did you DO about it, lady?!"  In a way, I thought she was just as bad as the creep who forged the marriage license for Aaliyah.  Too many complicit people, man.

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52 minutes ago, Shakma said:

Good question.  When that former teacher was talking about how she told him to stay away from the young girls, I actually said out loud, "And what did you DO about it, lady?!"  In a way, I thought she was just as bad as the creep who forged the marriage license for Aaliyah.  Too many complicit people, man.

A teacher is a mandated reporter too! Too many enablers and he wouldn't have gotten away with it for 30 years without them.

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Not a fan (this whole story is new to me), so please forgive the ignorance: What is Aaliyah doing today? Did she ever remarry?

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2 hours ago, MsTree said:

Not a fan (this whole story is new to me), so please forgive the ignorance: What is Aaliyah doing today? Did she ever remarry?

She died in a plane crash in the summer of 2001 at the age of 22. She didn't get married again.

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3 hours ago, Trini said:

She died in a plane crash in the summer of 2001 at the age of 22. She didn't get married again.

Too young. She had so many opportunities going for her. I remember her last performance movie being heavily played on TV at the time of her death, Queen of The Damned. Beyoncé was close  to her age. I always wonder how Aaliyah would have made it as an artist. Usher told some funny stories about Aaliyah being a big horror fan. That was neat.

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Aaliyah could have easily had a Beyonce level career.  I always thought she was very talented.

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Aaliyah's death is another true crime story in itself.

I only knew one song by her before this documentary, and when I checked out the "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number" song I was pretty shocked that her parents would have allowed her to record a song with those lyrics at age 14. Between that and the inherent sketchiness of a man in his 20s being best friends with a 12-15 year old, how could they never have suspected anything? Did they allow this to happen on purpose to start her career? The album was also co-produced by her uncle so clearly he knew about it.

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Finally finished the sixth episode tonight. Wow, this was powerful.  I felt this was an extremely well-made documentary series. I am glad they chose to make it a six-hour series rather than try to cram it down into a shorter one. They had so much material to work with and they did an excellent job in terms of weaving the interviews and other footage together.  Given how many different people they interviewed, and how consistent all the stories were, I feel this program will break-down any remaining doubts that anyone may have about his pathology. 

I found myself imagining him and any of his current friends/enablers/supporters/etc sitting in their living rooms around the country watching this as it aired. You know that every single one of them did.  That is why I appreciate the decision to include so much material. I just don't think there is a way for anyone to watch this and have doubt about how incredibly disturbed this guy is. I will be interested to see where things go from here. 

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On 1/16/2019 at 5:46 PM, BuyMoreAndSave said:

Aaliyah's death is another true crime story in itself.

I remember I was at a playground with my oldest son at the time (he was 2) and heard the news.  I got chills.  It was so sad.  And then the following year Lisa "Left-Eye "Lopes was killed in a car crash.  I always relate the two of them together because of their tragic deaths (one in the Bahamas during a video shoot and one in Honduras during a documentary shoot) that came so close together.

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3 hours ago, DearEvette said:

I remember I was at a playground with my oldest son at the time (he was 2) and heard the news.  I got chills.  It was so sad.  And then the following year Lisa "Left-Eye "Lopes was killed in a car crash.  I always relate the two of them together because of their tragic deaths (one in the Bahamas during a video shoot and one in Honduras during a documentary shoot) that came so close together.

I remember hearing about it on the morning news. As I said I only knew one song by her from my summer camp dance class (I wasn't allowed to listen to the radio or anything growing up) but I think she may have been the first celebrity who died who I actually knew of at the time.

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I found this show to be most interesting because I have been following the Scientology cult and the superb program made by Leah Remini and Mike Rinder.  I have posted to Mike's excellent blog and I feel like I am a part of this struggle and that I am involved and invested in seeing both of these horror situations smashed forever.

I have a lot to say about both situations. But unfortunately (or perhaps it is fortunately), I recognize that I really don't know what I'm talking about.

For example, I have a suggestion as to what our society should do to R. Kelly but it would enrage most everyone here if I explained what it was. It is not some kind of torture or execution but it is certainly not permitting this abuse to continue either.

The thing that is absolutely astonishing is all the people who have decided that R. Kelly cannot possibly be guilty because his music is so angelic. He sings like an Angel. Therefore he could never have possibly committed these crimes.  I think it is absolutely essential that we find a way to  understand this mindset. Without any understanding, I can't imagine how it could be possible to come to any kind of satisfactory resolution.

How can anyone have any faith in our justice system when jurors make their decisions based on how well someone sings? It's enough to make me believe that human brains are thoroughly defective and all humans deserve to die in a fire. I'm sorry. I really don't mean that. But I find the entire situation to be absolutely nuts!

Most all these cults make me weep for the human condition. If I was a powerful inter-planetary race who was far advanced above and beyond humans, I don't think I would have any hesitation to just take a huge fly swatter and in one fell swoop, I would simply destroy this planet and all the crazy creatures who inhabit it. Seems eminently obvious that none of them deserve to live for more than just one more split-second. If you believe there could exist other life forms on other planets (and I do believe it's possible in the spirit that most anything is possible), I would worry for the continued existence of these crazy human creatures. It seems beyond any debating that - as a species - they just suck to the point where they do not deserve to live.

By the way - I searched the older brother because I wanted to know why he was in prison. All the info I found was very general and vague. Most of it talked about burglary. That is not very important. But I did find it somewhat intriguing.

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This was beyond disturbing and heartbreaking.  

Watching those parents desperately try to get contact with their children was a scene I'll never forget.  Neither was watching the one mother reunite with her daughter.  

I hope this documentary starts the long process of justice for the many victims of R. Kelly, and I hope the members of his entourage are given similar sentences for turning a blind eye to the torture, imprisonment, humiliation, and degradation of CHILDREN.

I don't even know if I have the words.  Will Aaliyah's family finally speak out???

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Watched Episode 3 today. WTF. I was a kid when the pee tape came out so I don't think I heard of it until many years later. And I didn't know that he actually peed in her MOUTH which is an extra level of disgusting. When they showed the picture of the victim even though her face was blurred you could tell she looked like a kid too (not that it mattered what she looked like since she was *14* but still, that's another extra level of disgusting). How sick can this motherfucker be?! And how the fuck is he not in jail already (I guess Episode 4 will go into that).

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BTW on the Aaliyah topic I found this article today:

https://www.bustle.com/p/aaliyahs-moms-statement-on-surviving-r-kelly-addressed-a-new-allegation-in-the-documentary-series-15643011

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In her statement, Mrs. Haughton explained,

"The woman and so-called back up singer in the forthcoming “Surviving…” documentary that describes seeing, meeting or ever breathing the same air as my daughter, Aaliyah, is lying and is a liar. My husband and I were always on tour with her and at interviews wand every place she went throughout her entire career. Whoever this woman is, I have never seen her before anywhere on planet earth, until now."

After revealing that she had no prior knowledge of Cunningham, Diane Haughton continued:

"These lies and fabrications cannot be tolerated and allowed to be spewed from the forked tongues of saboteurs of Aaliyah’s legacy. My daughter only wanted to realize her dream of sharing her talent with the world, and give her all performing on stage, and in from top the camera for the fans she adored so much. She realized that dream, thanks to those true fans who still love and support her legacy unconditionally to this day. Shame on all those involved in this project who thought it kosher to drag Aaliyah’s name into a situation that has nothing to do with her today. Once again, this will not be tolerated. Sincerely, Diane Haughton."

Well that makes me even more suspicious of her parents. How would it sabotage Aaliyah's legacy if it turned out she was the victim of rape? If her parents were with her at "every place she went throughout her entire career," then how did she at age 15 fly to another city and marry a grown-ass man, falsifying her age on the documents, and they supposedly had no idea until months later? There are also pictures of Aaliyah and Jovante Cunningham together in the documentary. Then there's this:

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In 2016, Kelly refused to talk about the marriage with GQ "out of respect for Aaliyah, and her mother and father," whom he says personally asked him not to.

To me the evidence is indicating they looked the other way and let it happen, and now they're trying to cover it up before suspicion is cast on them.

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5 hours ago, BuyMoreAndSave said:

BTW on the Aaliyah topic I found this article today:

https://www.bustle.com/p/aaliyahs-moms-statement-on-surviving-r-kelly-addressed-a-new-allegation-in-the-documentary-series-15643011

Well that makes me even more suspicious of her parents. How would it sabotage Aaliyah's legacy if it turned out she was the victim of rape? If her parents were with her at "every place she went throughout her entire career," then how did she at age 15 fly to another city and marry a grown-ass man, falsifying her age on the documents, and they supposedly had no idea until months later? There are also pictures of Aaliyah and Jovante Cunningham together in the documentary. Then there's this:

To me the evidence is indicating they looked the other way and let it happen, and now they're trying to cover it up before suspicion is cast on them.

Interesting that they aren't accusing the tour manager who admitted in the documentary that he got a fake ID for Aaliyah saying she was 18 so that she and R. Kelly could get married of being a liar. He's the same one who said in the documentary that R. Kelly came to him saying that he thought Aaliyah might be pregnant. It sounds like they're attacking Jovante because she is no longer part of R. Kelly's camp and is therefore fair game and won't violate whatever shadyass agreement he has with her parents.

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On 1/22/2019 at 1:12 AM, BuyMoreAndSave said:

BTW on the Aaliyah topic I found this article today:

https://www.bustle.com/p/aaliyahs-moms-statement-on-surviving-r-kelly-addressed-a-new-allegation-in-the-documentary-series-15643011

Well that makes me even more suspicious of her parents. How would it sabotage Aaliyah's legacy if it turned out she was the victim of rape? If her parents were with her at "every place she went throughout her entire career," then how did she at age 15 fly to another city and marry a grown-ass man, falsifying her age on the documents, and they supposedly had no idea until months later? There are also pictures of Aaliyah and Jovante Cunningham together in the documentary. Then there's this:

To me the evidence is indicating they looked the other way and let it happen, and now they're trying to cover it up before suspicion is cast on them.

Aaliyah being preyed on by R. Kelly is tragic and sad, but more than anything-her parents are responsible for him never seeing the inside of a jail cell as much as his entourage that procures underage women for him.  This response is beyond disgusting and it's insulting to the people that were willing to come forward to speak out against this monster of a man.  

You can say that Jovante was mistaken, wasn't close to Aaliyah, etc.  But the lengths they go to in order to destroy the credibility of Jovante is a little "the lady doth protest too much."

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On 1/22/2019 at 1:12 AM, BuyMoreAndSave said:

The woman and so-called back up singer in the forthcoming “Surviving…” documentary that describes seeing, meeting or ever breathing the same air as my daughter, Aaliyah, is lying and is a liar. My husband and I were always on tour with her and at interviews wand every place she went throughout her entire career. Whoever this woman is, I have never seen her before anywhere on planet earth, until now."

After revealing that she had no prior knowledge of Cunningham, Diane Haughton continued:

"These lies and fabrications cannot be tolerated and allowed to be spewed from the forked tongues of saboteurs of Aaliyah’s legacy. My daughter only wanted to realize her dream of sharing her talent with the world, and give her all performing on stage, and in from top the camera for the fans she adored so much. She realized that dream, thanks to those true fans who still love and support her legacy unconditionally to this day. Shame on all those involved in this project who thought it kosher to drag Aaliyah’s name into a situation that has nothing to do with her today. Once again, this will not be tolerated. Sincerely, Diane Haughton

Either she's in serious denial or complicit--that's all I'm going to say.

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2 hours ago, Catgyrl said:

It's about time! Hopefully that bastard doesn't get away with it this time now that he has so many different women from different time periods telling similar stories instead of just the aunt of a terrified teenager.

BTW did you guys hear about the other sex tape that came out? The details of it were disgusting. Unfortunately the allegations came from Michael Avenatti who has not exactly been a reliable information source. But supposedly CNN staff also saw the tape. I hope/assume it was turned over to police if it exists.

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Celebrate! Celebrate! Isn't there a famous song that begins that way?

What are the odds he will end up in a penitentiary where he belongs?

Next step? Maybe the Tiny Fuhrer of Scamatology? Hey Miss Cabbage! Do you hear those footsteps approaching? It won't be long now. If they can get R. Kelly, how safe do you think you are?

Please be sure to tell us how it feels to do the perp walk in front of all your fans.

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37 minutes ago, MisterBluxom said:

Celebrate! Celebrate! Isn't there a famous song that begins that way?

What are the odds he will end up in a penitentiary where he belongs?

Next step? Maybe the Tiny Fuhrer of Scamatology? Hey Miss Cabbage! Do you hear those footsteps approaching? It won't be long now. If they can get R. Kelly, how safe do you think you are?

Please be sure to tell us how it feels to do the perp walk in front of all your fans.

Yes, it's called "Celebrate" by Three Dog Night (oldie here...). I will absolutely be doing my happy dance WHEN he's convicted. (Same dance I did when Bin Laden was killed)

8 minutes ago, ChristmasJones said:

Did the recent documentary series have anything to do with this new turn of events? Or would it have happened anyway?

I absolutely believe the documentary paved the way for all these women to have the courage to come forward, because they knew for sure they were not alone.

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I just found this from an article:

Multiple women came forward with allegations of abuse in the explosive Lifetime documentary series Surviving R. Kelly when it debuted in January. Those claims, which included alleged sexual misconduct against several women who were underage at the time, gave rise to the #MuteRKelly movement and have stalled the singer's career.

Prosecutors in Chicago and Atlanta have been seeking information about Kelly since the accusations came to light in the docuseries. Foxx has previously said her office was inundated with calls after the doc premiered, and urged the public to come forward with information about potential victims of the R&B singer.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/r-kelly-charged-with-aggravated-criminal-sexual-abuse/ar-BBTXwCU?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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10 hours ago, Catgyrl said:

Yes, it's called "Celebrate" by Three Dog Night (oldie here...). I will absolutely be doing my happy dance WHEN he's convicted. (Same dance I did when Bin Laden was killed)

I absolutely believe the documentary paved the way for all these women to have the courage to come forward, because they knew for sure they were not alone.

I certainly can appreciate your sentiments about waiting until R. Kelly is convicted before you celebrate.

That makes sense to me since so many of these monsters continue to wriggle out of serious trouble. But, at the same time, many of them find themselves in a kind of trap where they keep getting into trouble - time after time - until they are finally convicted and spend most if not all of the remainder of their lives in prison. Consider Bill Cosby. Oh My Gosh! It took me a few minutes before I remembered his name. That means something to me. It means that he is now viewed as less of a public hero and more like someone who will eventually be convicted of a charge that he will be unable to escape and will wind up spending the rest of his life in prison.

I wish the same for the rest of these monsters. The Tiny Fuhrer (Miss Cabbage) (The Pope of Scamatology) is at the top of my list. I really and truly hope he is arrested and charged with the kinds of crimes he deserves and winds up spending the rest of his life in a penitentiary.

And I surely do not mean the kind of penitentiary that resembles a Country Club.  I mean one where he will regret every single day he is there.

Hey there, Miss Cabbage. Can you hear the police coming for you? Can you use your phony Super Powers to envision what it will be like to be handcuffed and spend several weeks or months in a court room and then several years - if not all the rest of your life - in a prison cell that you will definitely not enjoy. If there is any Karmic Justice in this world, you will spend the rest of your life in a prison in which you regret every single day you are there and you regret every single beating you gave to your helpless underlings because you will have to endure the same kind of pain that you gave to others. That is the meaning of Karmimc Justice after all.

Payback can be a bitch Davie Boy and in your case, I expect it will be a terrible experience where every single minute is filled with regret with sorrow.  It will look real good on you, Davie! Surely no one will suffer the payback any more than you will.

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