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Rose is so gorgeous! It was nice to see her be more relaxed in Paris.  

I just watched season one over the weekend, I am so glad 2 is out now. 

I really liked how Susie charmed the thugs and they let her go.  

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I just watched a documentary about Rose-Marie (who played the woman writer on the Dick Van Dyke show). Before I watched it, I knew nothing about her, and she had an amazing career as a comedian before the Dick Van Dyke show.

But the reason I'm writing this post, is that prior to watching the documentary, I thought it was strange that thugs were sent after Susie.

In the interviews they showed, Rose Marie made no bones about the Mob being highly involved in her career, and once they had to avoid a city (forget which) because the mob boss there didn't like her husband (or something like that) - so I'm guessing it was actually a thing, and not so far fetched as I originally believed.

The documentary is on YouTube. It was pretty fascinating. I was too young to really remember the Dick Van Dyke show from its original airing, but have watched it as an adult.

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2 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I just watched a documentary about Rose-Marie (who played the woman writer on the Dick Van Dyke show). Before I watched it, I knew nothing about her, and she had an amazing career as a comedian before the Dick Van Dyke show.

But the reason I'm writing this post, is that prior to watching the documentary, I thought it was strange that thugs were sent after Susie.

In the interviews they showed, Rose Marie made no bones about the Mob being highly involved in her career, and once they had to avoid a city (forget which) because the mob boss there didn't like her husband (or something like that) - so I'm guessing it was actually a thing, and not so far fetched as I originally believed.

The documentary is on YouTube. It was pretty fascinating. I was too young to really remember the Dick Van Dyke show from its original airing, but have watched it as an adult.

Really interesting, I'll have to check that out.  I thought the thug thing with Susie was melodramatic but maybe not.  

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2 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I just watched a documentary about Rose-Marie (who played the woman writer on the Dick Van Dyke show). Before I watched it, I knew nothing about her, and she had an amazing career as a comedian before the Dick Van Dyke show.

But the reason I'm writing this post, is that prior to watching the documentary, I thought it was strange that thugs were sent after Susie.

In the interviews they showed, Rose Marie made no bones about the Mob being highly involved in her career, and once they had to avoid a city (forget which) because the mob boss there didn't like her husband (or something like that) - so I'm guessing it was actually a thing, and not so far fetched as I originally believed.

The documentary is on YouTube. It was pretty fascinating. I was too young to really remember the Dick Van Dyke show from its original airing, but have watched it as an adult.

 

Really interesting, I'll have to check that out.  I thought the thug thing with Susie was melodramatic but maybe not.  

Now that you've reminded me of Rose Marie, I wonder if her character of Sally provided some inspiration for Susie.

Googling Rose Marie, I read about more mob connections too.

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Did anyone else wonder what happened to the dog Simone when Does returned to New York? I'm fairly sure she was left with the landlady and it is television but I still wondered. I can't imagine Abe putting up with a dog full time. 

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7 hours ago, AuntieMame said:

I'm fairly sure she was left with the landlady

there was a quick seen of Rose handing Simone off to the landlady.

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On 12/13/2018 at 9:32 PM, stillshimpy said:

 

But that's actually a writing foible of ASP's -- apologies, I assumed the acronym would have caught on here, it's handy, but yes, the showrunner Amy Sherman-Paladino, she of many hats -- has always been a bit of hyperbole even within the narrative that the world of the story pretends is unremarkable but is as actually so extraordinary as to be outlandish.  ASP makes outlandish work in a really charming way.  It's a foible that this show is making work well for her.  It would be so fitting for Midge that it's best to just breeze past the likelihood.   
 

HA!

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After her father's phone call Midge rushed home to check on her children. She's still in that apartment and still working. Who did she leave her children with for four days? The housekeeper? I can't believe she didn't try to check with her mother at least once to get an update on how their day went. Was that just a set-up for the physical joke of checking Ethan's eyes, nose and feet.

I loved the scene st the switchboard at B. Altmans. I've also worked an old PBX board, though never that busy, and only as a fill-in at lunchtime. We were told to never say, "One moment please" because that was giving the caller a command. That's why they said, "I will connect you" instead of "Hold on." Civility; it was a beautiful thing.

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I watched this last night, thinking it was S1E1 and I spent a lot of time thinking "wow, they are really going for in media res". Hmmm, no, I am jumping in to the middle. I kept up, mostly.

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I agree that studying Russian history/literature makes sense for a Jewish character,even if the timeline would definitely have raised some eyebrows. But yes, French would have been in there somewhere. At least enough for Midge to be able to do the tourist thing and nagivate her and Abe from the airport to her mom's apartment.

More likely, I think that Russian Literature is part of Midge's backstory so that ASP could have a good reason for Midge to get married in Emily Gilmore's (and, I assume, ASP's) fantasy Russian winter wedding. Which probably wouldn't have been a trendy thing since Dr. Zhivago wasn't even written until 1957, but hey, the wedding was indeed gorgeous!

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On 12/12/2018 at 11:47 AM, stillshimpy said:

I'm rationing these episodes rather than binging them.  Good lord, it's nice to see something fully diverting, that also gives us a kinder view into the past than something like Mad Men, that gave such a cynical rendering of the time periods it touched, I was amazed that the generations before us hadn't perished from despair death in greater numbers (references to Plath notwithstanding).   I understand that the truth was probably uglier than Mrs. Maizel but less unrelentingly grim than Mad Men.  I'm up for the primarily diverting at present, so this fills that category nicely.  

Very well said.  I just binged the first season and enjoyed it so much that I'm wishing I hadn't, if you know what I mean. Each episode should be savored, much like Mad Men (loved the cynicism, though).

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I forgot how this show makes Midge the most competent person who ever lived. I'm surprised she isn't running B. Altman's yet. Also, why does she continue talking like a middle-aged housewife when she's so young? Weird character choice.

This was a weak excuse to get them to Paris. And only in season 2! They usually save the vacation for when the show is running out of steam. The costumes continue to be gorgeous though.

I understand French but it's been a while and everyone was mumbling so I only caught the gist of what was being said. It was enough. Nothing that important.

I wonder if this would have felt more natural if I had jumped right into this episode after watching season 1. Because even though I'm sympathetic to Rose, this feels less like an empowered decision and more like a tantrum. Mixed with some Eat, Pray, Love BS. And again, it feels illogical that Rose and Miriam can just do whatever they want and Abe goes along with it... his protests that he makes the money are just token resistance. It feels like one area where they don't care about historical accuracy.

The mob guys following Suzy was cheesy but I found the back and forth funny.

The female impersonators were gorgeous. (I call them that because they looked much more natural than drag queens typically do.) Not sure that was a big trend in Paris at the time but whatever. Maybe it's me but as pretty as they were, they were quite obviously men. It was weird that Midge was so shocked. I feel like I never have a good grasp on what should and should not be shocking to her because this show has a muddled sense of historical accuracy. There are happily integrated spaces and she has sex against a tree but the restrictive gender roles enter when they need to for the sake of the story. 

I get that Midge just gets to wander into spaces and do what she wants but it's weird that no one (like say the waiter who overcharged her) tried to get her off the stage when it was turning into a stand up act. Also, how in the hell was anyone supposed to hear the woman translating for her when they were yelling over each other at the same time? I feel like there was a better way to depict that onscreen. 

The Sylvia Plath line was a cheap throwaway. I wish the writing was better on this show.

This week I enjoyed Suzy's B plot more than Miriam or Joel or Abe or Rose. Well, Tony Shalhoub is always great but they didn't give him much to work with. Still, he had one or two funny lines. 

Weird ending. It was kind of nice for Joel/Miriam to finally have a more mature conversation but I'm hoping this was just clearing up loose ends to move forward. Because if they keep jerking us around, that was a waste of time.

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The other part of that, I think, is that Susie wasn't supposed to let Midge on stage, and she did an end-around by having Lenny Bruce introduce her

Thank you for bringing that up! I was confused why she involved Lenny Bruce. So Suzie's argument is "Well, what could I do, Lennie Bruce introduced her?" Because otherwise I was wondering why she just didn't change the name and keep going.

Beautiful, beautiful wardrobe, as always.

I don't believe for one hot second that Suzie would allow herself to be kidnapped, especially in a traffic jam, but I guess she figured the confrontation would happen eventually and she might as well get it over with in broad daylight.

The Paris wet streets at night shots were gorgeous but the trip seemed like a total gimmick.

I liked that the writers didn't take the easy way out of Joel saying "No wife of mine...." I suspect he'd be okay with the comedy, just not being a subject of it. That was some surprising self-realization and generosity from him. 

That Midge Rules The Switchboard and Everyone Loves Her scene was obnoxious, and I lasted a grand total of 5 seconds of her translator-yelling scene before hitting the ff.

Last but not least... I am infamous about having horrible face recognition and, despite having seen most of Two and a Half Men multiple times and all of S1, it wasn't until this episode that I saw Rose and went,"Hey! JUDITH!"  

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22 hours ago, LadyKenobi said:

Thank you for bringing that up! I was confused why she involved Lenny Bruce. So Suzie's argument is "Well, what could I do, Lennie Bruce introduced her?" Because otherwise I was wondering why she just didn't change the name and keep going.

Yep, I think that's how she found a loophole in the order. Lenny put Midge on stage, Not Suzie, so she fulfilled the part of the order that was that she wasn't supposed to do it, and since Lenny's a big deal,  and he's a big deal so they're not going to go after him. So she probably figured that made her safe.

I didn't recognize Rose from Two and Half Men at all, until someone mentioned it. And I watched way too many seasons before I broke the bad habit.

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