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GG looked awful at the wedding.   I don’t find her face attractive on a good day - too ratfaced, but she looked particularly harsh this episode.    Whoever told her that she looked like “ten million bucks” was blowing some serious smoke up her ass.  Nema is absolutely adorable - both in looks and personality.    He should move on from that mess.  They have nothing in common.  

Vida is crazy.   How many times did she say, “I have a gift”.   Damn, full of yourself much.   Every word out of her mouth is driven by the fact that she thinks she is one hundred percent right.   I can’t imagine having that much of an opinionated mother breathing down my neck at all times.  But, damn, she wasn’t wrong about the make up.   She was dead on.   MJ did look like Chinese wood.   

I was expecting MJ and Tommy to French kiss or get to second base during the ceremony.    Two pigs, together forever.   Is it really necessary to get fucked up before the ceremony portion of the wedding?  And the cursing?   Just way too casual for me.  

I was annoyed seeing Mike’s mom.  She didn’t do or say anything particularly offensive tonight, but I’m just so sick of hearing from Mike how amazing she is.   She is just another overbearing, opinionated lady from what I can tell.   I get an ALF vibe from her, sorry to say.  

Agreed that Mike’s narration was on point    “Has MJ ever been to a wedding?”     Apparently not   

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That was a fucking mess…and I loved every minute of it.  It was very much MJ and Tommy and proved they are pretty perfect for each other.  Loved MJ being super late (I think someone predicted that on a previous season's reunion) and stopping to talk to everyone on the way down the aisle.

Vida was a toned-down version of herself…still a dickhead, but, like, 15% less asshole.

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Sigh, I still can’t make myself watch this episode. I’m still reading here for the snark, but I’m having a hard time watching this group. I have no idea why.

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15 minutes ago, AntAnn said:

Sigh, I still can’t make myself watch this episode. I’m still reading here for the snark, but I’m having a hard time watching this group. I have no idea why.

Maybe because this crew is beyond obnoxious.

For me the best thing about this show is the food - some magnificent displays!

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Seriously, MJ is, I continue to be convinced, absolutely wiped out on prescription meds and pretty much all the time. During the makeup scene, or maybe it was just before that with Pedram the dress designer, she threw something down her throat and chased it with what was in her glass. I get this picture of her and Tommy just wasted every night at home: 2 people who met on Tinder and discovered that their heavy drinking/using meshed together in a more or less judgement free zone.

I do admire MJ and her absolute openess but I believe also that she has only achieved this via decades of self medicating. I'd bet hard cash this is what's going on. It's in her affect and her loopiness and especially notable with the 'delay' that goes on frequently before she answers something. Like she needs a moment for whatever is being said to penetrate the haze. Obviously Vida has had a thing or 2 to do with all of this.

It's all a bit terrifying though now that MJ is talking about having babies. i cannot imagine these 2 drunks going through newborn nights, even with Vida's help. 

I loved her in her pantsuit at the reception. Good lord there were some freaks in the crowd! The 2 losers that were sleeping beside Mike, for example, during the ceremony. There was a woman wearing what looked like a tube top (she would have been beyond her 60s) that looked like it had lost half it's elasticity and another woman with greasy limp hair wearing a blue sack. All of this after Nema's earnest little chat with us all about how Persian weddings are where everyone is judged for how expensive they look.. don't know who these people were then. Sammi really hasn't aged well, has he? 

I'm almost prepared to bet there will be no baby. MJ and Tommy fell at this hurdle a season or 2 ago when MJ was trumpeting that she was going to be pregnant in x weeks. And the x weeks kept getting pushed out because she wouldn't stop drinking. I don't think she CAN stop drinking at this point (or taking massive amounts of anti anxiety medication which I think is most likely). I think this is what is at the foundation of the rancour between MJ and Asa too. I think Asa (and Reza and Adam and all of them) know full well just how unhinged MJ is. I think it really irked Asa that MJ is presuming to go after a baby also without changing her lifestyle one iota. And MJ is relishing showing Asa just how far she can push it. Like with this wedding she refused to plan. I just hope that MJ doesn't wind up dead in a bathtub one day accidentally. She really gives me that vibe.

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On 11/8/2018 at 6:30 PM, voiceover said:

I think the baby's wearing a clip-on.

I know Mike is immature, but it’s a little much to call him a baby! 

 

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On 11/11/2018 at 6:39 AM, wallofsound said:

GG looked awful at the wedding.   I don’t find her face attractive on a good day - too ratfaced, but she looked particularly harsh this episode.  

She should stop with the super dark hair and the dark lipstick. 

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That was an odd set up for the guests at the wedding ceremony, it looked like there were seats for the guests where MJ came down the aisle but then on the other side of the stairs there were a lot of people too, like it was SRO.

The second MJ picked up that child (why?) I knew she would snag her dress and oh my that dress had a lot going on.  Why did her dress designer look so familiar to me?

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16 hours ago, queenjen said:

I'm almost prepared to bet there will be no baby. 

They announced earlier this month that they're expecting a baby boy in May (conceived via IVF). 

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5 hours ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

They announced earlier this month that they're expecting a baby boy in May (conceived via IVF). 

making the sign of the cross.

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3 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

I hope we get to keep Nema!

Looks like from the previews of the reunion he and that dickhead Mike get in to it. What beef could he possible have with Nema? Mike is the one that needs to be gone. He brings absolutely nothing to the show except his constant failures, entitled attitude and crying to mommy over and over again, every season. 

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On 11/10/2018 at 11:40 AM, hatchetgirl said:

Am i the only one who likes Destiney? I like that she's always pleasant, doesn't seem to engage in the venomous gossip that reza and mj bring and she is just cute. 

I used to like her but each season she seems to get more and more extra and dramatic. She needs to tone it down by a million. 

Thank god that dress looked great being photographed because it looked like a hot mess on film. I don't even want to know what it cost. 

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On 11/11/2018 at 6:39 AM, wallofsound said:

GG looked awful at the wedding.   I don’t find her face attractive on a good day - too ratfaced, but she looked particularly harsh this episode.    Whoever told her that she looked like “ten million bucks” was blowing some serious smoke up her ass.  Nema is absolutely adorable - both in looks and personality.    He should move on from that mess.  They have nothing in common.  

Vida is crazy.   How many times did she say, “I have a gift”.   Damn, full of yourself much.   Every word out of her mouth is driven by the fact that she thinks she is one hundred percent right.   I can’t imagine having that much of an opinionated mother breathing down my neck at all times.  But, damn, she wasn’t wrong about the make up.   She was dead on.   MJ did look like Chinese wood.   

I was expecting MJ and Tommy to French kiss or get to second base during the ceremony.    Two pigs, together forever.   Is it really necessary to get fucked up before the ceremony portion of the wedding?  And the cursing?   Just way too casual for me.  

I was annoyed seeing Mike’s mom.  She didn’t do or say anything particularly offensive tonight, but I’m just so sick of hearing from Mike how amazing she is.   She is just another overbearing, opinionated lady from what I can tell.   I get an ALF vibe from her, sorry to say.  

Agreed that Mike’s narration was on point    “Has MJ ever been to a wedding?”     Apparently not   

I find GG positively unattractive as of late. This is going to sound horrible, but her grin is so ugly. It looks like a jack-o-lantern. When she smiles, her face goes down, not up, her mouth wraps around her teeth like she forgot to wear her dentures, and her eyes get tiny. Normally I wouldn't get on somebody's looks so full-throttle, but she has been horrible to people in the past about their looks. Also, I would think someone who is shallow enough to get their gums bleached--their freaking gums--could look in a mirror and try to find a pretty smile. She has no brains either, and is spiteful. If I thought Nema were actually into her, I'd ask "how is Nema actually into her?"

 

Mike and his mom can go slip on banana peels together. All the fussing, all the fawning...I don't get it. Your son is kind of a horrible person who, every so often, probably by accident, manages to give good advice, but he never walks his own walk. He is so caught-up and consumed by image. He feels that he has to project the image of the wise rabbi, while his behavior sucks. Either settle down with the perfect Jewish woman like mommy wants, and be unhappy, or have the courage to live your convictions. If he likes to ho around, why can't he just be honest about that? At 40. This pretending is unhealthy. I think Mike is very shallow, and he can't feel deep feelings. Until that gets solved, he will not be happy to settle down with anybody. So go away. Go to a retreat. Go to a seminar on personal growth. Get a real relationship with your rabbi. Do some work for your schul. And whatever comes of it, just be real. Stop lying about where you slept in Vegas, you man-child!

On 11/12/2018 at 6:38 AM, queenjen said:

Seriously, MJ is, I continue to be convinced, absolutely wiped out on prescription meds and pretty much all the time. During the makeup scene, or maybe it was just before that with Pedram the dress designer, she threw something down her throat and chased it with what was in her glass. I get this picture of her and Tommy just wasted every night at home: 2 people who met on Tinder and discovered that their heavy drinking/using meshed together in a more or less judgement free zone.

I do admire MJ and her absolute openess but I believe also that she has only achieved this via decades of self medicating. I'd bet hard cash this is what's going on. It's in her affect and her loopiness and especially notable with the 'delay' that goes on frequently before she answers something. Like she needs a moment for whatever is being said to penetrate the haze. Obviously Vida has had a thing or 2 to do with all of this.

Nailed it. Not that I have ever had any youthful interaction with intoxicating substances (that's my story and I'm sticking to it), but there is something specific going on there. I don't think it's only Xanax. When you mix just Xanax with alcohol, you kind of just pass out or start slurring. I also don't think it's coke or meth, because those both make you very up. I strongly suspect MJ--with her delays and her haze and her desire to seem to want to speak, but can't find the words--is influenced by opiates. Which ones, I have no idea. I wouldn't be shocked if she was doing heroin. A lot of people snort heroin and nobody has any idea. But if it's oxy or roxy or fentanyl...color me unfazed. Wasn't there the season (season 2?) that Reza nailed her ass to the carpet at the reunion for prescription drug abuse? I also think she smokes a lot of weed. 

Other than the wedding, I saw that switch flip with MJ two times this season, where I was like, "honey, we are well beyond alcohol." One time was in Vegas. I forget the other time. I wish her the best. I think she is deeply troubled and numbing the suffering. 

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3 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Nailed it. Not that I have ever had any youthful interaction with intoxicating substances (that's my story and I'm sticking to it), but there is something specific going on there. I don't think it's only Xanax. When you mix just Xanax with alcohol, you kind of just pass out or start slurring. I also don't think it's coke or meth, because those both make you very up. I strongly suspect MJ--with her delays and her haze and her desire to seem to want to speak, but can't find the words--is influenced by opiates. Which ones, I have no idea. I wouldn't be shocked if she was doing heroin. A lot of people snort heroin and nobody has any idea. But if it's oxy or roxy or fentanyl...color me unfazed. Wasn't there the season (season 2?) that Reza nailed her ass to the carpet at the reunion for prescription drug abuse? I also think she smokes a lot of weed. 

Other than the wedding, I saw that switch flip with MJ two times this season, where I was like, "honey, we are well beyond alcohol." One time was in Vegas. I forget the other time. I wish her the best. I think she is deeply troubled and numbing the suffering.

You nailed it! I just didn't want to say it. Opiates are the vibe I get from her too, this is why the 'dead in a bathtub' comment, it happens all the time with polysubstance abuse. I forgot that Reza had done that. I think they all know and they are enabling it. And I think this is part of the reason for the enmity between MJ and Asa.

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On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 11:24 PM, MVFrostsMyPie said:

They announced earlier this month that they're expecting a baby boy in May (conceived via IVF). 

God help that child.

Maybe MJ will grow up and maybe Mr. MJ will sober up.

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I guess this has turned into the MJ show. Next season will probably be her journey to become a parent. Reza you better let Adam have his way and have a baby or you will have no story.

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So sad reading all this about MJ. I saw she was messed up @ the wedding big time (more than alcohol) & I know she always liked to drink (as do they all). But this is my 1st full season watching.  I've only otherwise caught glimpses of past seasons enough to know who I generally like or loathe.

I couldn't take Asa with those caftans & her faux luxe earth mother wannabe b.s. spewing. I can't take Mike or GG. All those characters seem to be getting worse in those superficial caricatures I've gleaned.  This season Destiney got on my nerves with her reality tv awareness (now finding out from previous poster she was on "the people's couch" explains everything). Reza is Reza & makes me laugh but unfortunately he's amping it up too. Please be natural & naturally funny. Trying too hard doesn't look good (take it from a former Bethenny Frankel fan!) 

I hope MJ gets it together bc I genuinely like her & Tommy. 

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On 11/14/2018 at 1:54 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

I find GG positively unattractive as of late. This is going to sound horrible, but her grin is so ugly. It looks like a jack-o-lantern. When she smiles, her face goes down, not up, her mouth wraps around her teeth like she forgot to wear her dentures, and her eyes get tiny. Normally I wouldn't get on somebody's looks so full-throttle, but she has been horrible to people in the past about their looks. Also, I would think someone who is shallow enough to get their gums bleached--their freaking gums--could look in a mirror and try to find a pretty smile. She has no brains either, and is spiteful. If I thought Nema were actually into her, I'd ask "how is Nema actually into her?"

 

Mike and his mom can go slip on banana peels together. All the fussing, all the fawning...I don't get it. Your son is kind of a horrible person who, every so often, probably by accident, manages to give good advice, but he never walks his own walk. He is so caught-up and consumed by image. He feels that he has to project the image of the wise rabbi, while his behavior sucks. Either settle down with the perfect Jewish woman like mommy wants, and be unhappy, or have the courage to live your convictions. If he likes to ho around, why can't he just be honest about that? At 40. This pretending is unhealthy. I think Mike is very shallow, and he can't feel deep feelings. Until that gets solved, he will not be happy to settle down with anybody. So go away. Go to a retreat. Go to a seminar on personal growth. Get a real relationship with your rabbi. Do some work for your schul. And whatever comes of it, just be real. Stop lying about where you slept in Vegas, you man-child!

Nailed it. Not that I have ever had any youthful interaction with intoxicating substances (that's my story and I'm sticking to it), but there is something specific going on there. I don't think it's only Xanax. When you mix just Xanax with alcohol, you kind of just pass out or start slurring. I also don't think it's coke or meth, because those both make you very up. I strongly suspect MJ--with her delays and her haze and her desire to seem to want to speak, but can't find the words--is influenced by opiates. Which ones, I have no idea. I wouldn't be shocked if she was doing heroin. A lot of people snort heroin and nobody has any idea. But if it's oxy or roxy or fentanyl...color me unfazed. Wasn't there the season (season 2?) that Reza nailed her ass to the carpet at the reunion for prescription drug abuse? I also think she smokes a lot of weed. 

Other than the wedding, I saw that switch flip with MJ two times this season, where I was like, "honey, we are well beyond alcohol." One time was in Vegas. I forget the other time. I wish her the best. I think she is deeply troubled and numbing the suffering. 

Fetanyl?? She would be walking around in a literal stupor, or straight up dead, if she were taking anything that strong. That stuff is killing folks up here (Massachusetts). Hell, fetanyl killed Prince. And of MJ were using any of those heavier substances, we'd see it in her face. Plastic surgery can't hide opiate usage for too long. 

Mixing Xanax and alcohol? Yep, I can see it. Weed on top of those two? Wouldn't put it past her, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she actually didn't smoke. 

Anything heavier than that? nah.

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1 hour ago, cyberfruit said:

Fetanyl?? She would be walking around in a literal stupor, or straight up dead, if she were taking anything that strong. That stuff is killing folks up here (Massachusetts). Hell, fetanyl killed Prince. And of MJ were using any of those heavier substances, we'd see it in her face. Plastic surgery can't hide opiate usage for too long. 

Mixing Xanax and alcohol? Yep, I can see it. Weed on top of those two? Wouldn't put it past her, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she actually didn't smoke. 

Anything heavier than that? nah.

Illicit drug use is a different experience across the spectrum. Some people die from it. Some people function for their entire lives. It's not about the substance; it's about how much and how often you use it. Opiates have an especially high rate of tolerance. I've known people who would take 30 Vicodins at a time and you would not know it (I've lived a colorful life). I've never heard of any changes to the face. I just heard it's a bitch to kick. If MJ started with Vicodin or Percocet, moved on to Oxy and is now dabbling in Fentanyl, it wouldn't be surprising. FWIW, she is walking around in a stupor much of the time. I agree with @queenjen, who posted above that she wouldn't be surprised if MJ were found dead in a bathtub someday.

I've had--ahem--an experience or two (or spent much of law school) drinking cocktails out socially and going home and taking Xanax and drinking wine to sleep (colorful life) and the effect was...not that. Never that. Like I posted upthread, it leads to saying silly things, slurring, and sleeping. But it doesn't get you "high" per se. I've never really messed with painkillers, but the few times they've been prescribed to me, I immediately got that MJ feeling, where you are high as a kite and emotionally removed from the world. I've also gotten that feeling off of smoking certain strains of weed, which is why I said that she probably smokes a lot. 

We here can only speculate (unless she dies and the autopsy comes out or if she writes an autobiography). But if I've learned anything, it's that a lot goes on behind closed doors in people's lives. A lot. The fittest, most pro-fitness man or woman in the world may be binging on 6,000 calories a day and then purging it. People with seemingly terrific lives go home and cut razors into their flesh because they are ashamed of something. I'm not prepared to say "nah" about MJ using anything heavier than Xanax. I've seen too much. 

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Just a few things:  I hated MJs gown.  That beige fabric looked cheap and like someone took a scissor and randomly cut it away from her neck.  Poorly done.  A staircase to walk down the aisle, a disaster waiting to happen.  Shaking hands and greeting people you’ve kept waiting for an hour?  The ceremony was a trashy joke, you tell your husband shut the f up during the ceremony, something is wrong with Tommy that he takes it.

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On 11/14/2018 at 12:54 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

Mike and his mom can go slip on banana peels together. All the fussing, all the fawning...I don't get it. Your son is kind of a horrible person who, every so often, probably by accident, manages to give good advice, but he never walks his own walk. He is so caught-up and consumed by image. He feels that he has to project the image of the wise rabbi, while his behavior sucks. Either settle down with the perfect Jewish woman like mommy wants, and be unhappy, or have the courage to live your convictions. If he likes to ho around, why can't he just be honest about that? At 40. This pretending is unhealthy. I think Mike is very shallow, and he can't feel deep feelings. Until that gets solved, he will not be happy to settle down with anybody. So go away. Go to a retreat. Go to a seminar on personal growth. Get a real relationship with your rabbi. Do some work for your schul. And whatever comes of it, just be real. Stop lying about where you slept in Vegas, you man-child!

Mike is the least accomplished of his siblings. He overcompensates by trying to get the "hottest" girl because he's not the least bit comparable in terms of life accomplishment. He's the oldest. He's already divorced. His real estate career is a mess. His younger brothers are dentists who have a practice together. I believe one of them may also be married too.

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16 hours ago, cyberfruit said:

Fetanyl?? She would be walking around in a literal stupor, or straight up dead, if she were taking anything that strong. That stuff is killing folks up here (Massachusetts). Hell, fetanyl killed Prince. And of MJ were using any of those heavier substances, we'd see it in her face. Plastic surgery can't hide opiate usage for too long. 

Mixing Xanax and alcohol? Yep, I can see it. Weed on top of those two? Wouldn't put it past her, but I also wouldn't be surprised if she actually didn't smoke. 

Anything heavier than that? nah.

No - that is not true.  Yes people are dying on the stuff, but MANY MANY people take opiates daily, and proceed through their day as "normal."  

I knew a surgeon, he was in recovery when I met him, but he was taking 15 oxys a day and performing surgery.  So, yeah people can pop serious pills and act like everything is fine.

 

On 11/14/2018 at 12:54 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

 

Other than the wedding, I saw that switch flip with MJ two times this season, where I was like, "honey, we are well beyond alcohol." One time was in Vegas. I forget the other time. I wish her the best. I think she is deeply troubled and numbing the suffering. 

100% on all of your points!  I especially agree with you that MJ is on opiates - probably oxys, it also accounts for her total lack of filter.

I have experience with opiates, let's just say that.

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I think MJ acted like an as#hole at her wedding.  It was disgusting the way she carried on.  She is too fat for some of the outfits (most!) that she wears.  

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I used to really like MJ.  I liked her sassy bravado and how she owned her curves.  But as of late, every little thing has to be so damn dramatic and all about her.  I do believe she's self medicating as well. 

 

At the risk of sounding like a prude, the wedding was disgraceful.   And I say that mostly because it seemed played up for the cameras.   So stupid. 

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On 11/16/2018 at 10:27 AM, heatherchandler said:

probably oxys, it also accounts for her total lack of filter.

Why can't I just say what I want and not gaf. Dammit! Alcohol is as deep as I'd ever go though. It's bad enough sometimes but I'm too old and have too many kids to carry on like this bunch. 

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