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8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Dick Wolf already has a spinoff of FBI in the works per TV Line.

"The potential series...centers on the division of the FBI tasked with tracking and capturing the notorious criminals on the FBI’s Most Wanted list."

All they need now is a suave, well dressed arch criminal to lead them down the path.

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31 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

All they need now is a suave, well dressed arch criminal to lead them down the path.

Nicole Wallace of L&O: CI comes to mind, but she ended up worm food, so...  :-)

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On 1/24/2019 at 4:26 PM, icemiser69 said:

One part of this episode that I did like was when one of the characters said "everyone has a right to their opinion".  I think that was OA that said that to his sister.

I also liked the comment that Dana made to Kristen "Focus on the evidence, not on the politics.   Our job is to protect free speech, not police it".

Kristen was incredibly obnoxious this episode.  I hate it when characters get on their soap boxes and ideologically spout off.  They completely lack professionalism.

I doubt that in an FBI control room, agents never give their political opinions. Especially if they work together as much as this group seems to. I don’t think Kristen was obnoxious. Borderline unprofessional maybe. 

 

On 1/23/2019 at 7:32 PM, Rambler said:

Really Dick Wolf??? What’s with this Paul Revere University BS. Everybody knows that Hudson University is the choice of terrorist professors everywhere!

I was thinking the same thing! What kind of hack university was this? Hudson is the place to be (or the place to get murdered, murder, commission murders, etc). 

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Is this show getting pushed back a week because of the President's address? 

EDIT: I know another show that comes on later is being pushed back too. 

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Accessed this thread through my follows as it seems to be doing a disappearing act for the time being from my homepage:

Not a bad episode, but it seemed like this episode wanted to do a double twist with the kidnapped girls and then some sort of twist at the end with them never physically attacked or whatnot, maybe implying they were voluntarily with the perp. Except their behavior matches (to me) traumatized victims and the "family" answer from Dana did seem all sorts of lame.

And I see we get a glimpse into Jubal's personal life, talking about his ex, her boyfriend, and his kid.

By the way, once again, I thought Missy Peregrym - based on the preview for next week, with her crying and asking "Who HIRED him?!" (or whatever she said)  - was again overwrought and overdramatic. Oh, well. Maybe it will play out better in context. Maybe. Hopefully.

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I hated this episode with a passion.  The cop was right, when you have a chance to take the shot you take the shot.  If the dude that was held hostage had been killed after charging the eighteen year old woman, that death would be on the FBI.  How was that woman some sort of victim, defending herself?  The dude is a hostage.  The writer's wrote this episode in a way to bail the FBI out.  They shouldn't have.

Seven hostages vs a woman who was unwillingly helping the dude hold those people hostage.  The math is easy.  Yes, there was one fifteen year old teenager that was chained up in an apartment.  So, technically that was two lives vs seven hostages.  Still the math is easy.

Maggie wasn't the least bit credible when it came to giving medical aid.

BTW, note to special affects.  The cop that was shot in the bank should have bled out a helluva lot more than one little spec of blood on his shirt.

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We were on board for weekly viewing when this show first started. But it has gotten progressively predictable and pedestrian as time has passed.   
This episode - dealing with a guy who robs banks with his young female hostages - just felt ho-hum. 
Maggie and OA were their typical selves and the few FBI agents who get to talk at the headquarters provided the typical info dump exposition. 

I know it is a limited cast, but I am already exhausted by Maggie (and OA) doing everything while also being the almost always correct moral compass for every situation. 

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3 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

Maggie wasn't the least bit credible when it came to giving medical aid.

The absolute truth. She should have been shot dead by the perp for her unbelievable portrayal of an EMT.

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Yep the amount of blood on the first cop was laughable. What happened to your fake blood budget, Dick? Good grief. Why didn't Maggie leave the bracelet near the ice behind the bar? Arrgh! Why do I watch this crap?

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Didn't really care for this episode and it was interesting what Jubal did at the end. 

I don't get the cop who got shot, he couldn't even seem to shoot straight but maybe I'm being unfair? Yes, he could have had more blood than it was shown.

I didn't think them bringing the dad would work either as I would not have wanted to talk to my father if he did what he did. 

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3 hours ago, rhys said:

Yep the amount of blood on the first cop was laughable. What happened to your fake blood budget, Dick? Good grief. Why didn't Maggie leave the bracelet near the ice behind the bar? Arrgh! Why do I watch this crap?

Dick has quite a few shows on the air.  I am beginning to wonder how much he is involved with in the writing on any of them.

This isn't the only show of his that has some pretty sloppy writing.

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After Julia emptied her round in Pat, the FBI/NYPD took their sweet time rushing in and the customers were slow running out.

What was Maggie's objective going in? To help the injured man or hope/pray Julia will see the bracelet (put two and two together) and turn on her captor? Maggie was dead if Julia didn't shoot. Stupid plan, she was very lucky.

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2 hours ago, mxc90 said:

What was Maggie's objective going in? To help the injured man or hope/pray Julia will see the bracelet (put two and two together) and turn on her captor? Maggie was dead if Julia didn't shoot. Stupid plan, she was very lucky.

I find it increasingly unbelievable that Maggie was a suitable candidate for the FBI. She really isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier sometimes, even as everyone else on screen seems to think differently.

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4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I find it increasingly unbelievable that Maggie was a suitable candidate for the FBI. She really isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier sometimes, even as everyone else on screen seems to think differently.

There should have been scene where OA, Jubal, and Dana are scolding her for not following the plan while reviewing the surveillance footage.

BTW - They were watching a live feed of what was going on and still failed to react quickly when Maggie and Pat got into a fight. Poor job all the way around.

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I was really bothered by the slow reaction of the cop in the bank. He gets a bead on the robbers, identifies himself, and then one of them has the time to turn and open fire before the cop gets off a single shot? So this is the one time an NYPD cop in a suspect situation isn’t fast on the trigger?

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This show continues to be ridiculously stupid.  I wouldn’t mind as much if it didn’t go for the obvious.  I would have liked the bank robber episode a lot better if the girl(s) were less hostagy.  This could have been an awesome Bonnie & Clyde type episode or even girls manipulating boys but it went with the borrrrrring  guy takes girls hostage and barely even dealt with the reasons he did it which could have been interesting.

Yea this show is ridiculous but shows have survived and flourished on rediculous.  This is something far worse. It is trite and boring.

 But it is also CBS.

so what do I know? 

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It's funny how, whoever the man characters of the show are, they're the ones calling the shots and being the heroes. Had this been Blue Bloods, Danny would've been the one in control and the FBI wouldn't have even been on the scene. It's also funny how these young agents are front and center during the crisis whereas the (on-duty) police officer is the seasoned professional.

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I got a laugh when the agents showed the old man an aerial view of the neighborhood and asked him if anything seemed familiar.  Ever seen an aerial photo of any neighborhood?  Try and identify it on the spot.

I am still puzzled over just what all those other people do in the FBI headquarters.

It's always been my understanding that police procedure during a bank robbery is to let the robbery take place and then pursue the criminals outside when you have sufficient resources to do so.  It was stupid of that cop to endanger everyone in the bank (although nobody could seem to hit anyone), especially since he was outgunned from the start.

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7 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I got a laugh when the agents showed the old man an aerial view of the neighborhood and asked him if anything seemed familiar.  Ever seen an aerial photo of any neighborhood?  Try and identify it on the spot.

I am still puzzled over just what all those other people do in the FBI headquarters.

It's always been my understanding that police procedure during a bank robbery is to let the robbery take place and then pursue the criminals outside when you have sufficient resources to do so.  It was stupid of that cop to endanger everyone in the bank (although nobody could seem to hit anyone), especially since he was outgunned from the start.

All that convicts have to do with their time is look at google earth maps of their hood to remind themselves of when they were free.

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On 2/14/2019 at 9:53 AM, Xantar said:

I was really bothered by the slow reaction of the cop in the bank. He gets a bead on the robbers, identifies himself, and then one of them has the time to turn and open fire before the cop gets off a single shot? So this is the one time an NYPD cop in a suspect situation isn’t fast on the trigger?

Barney Fife is more accurate with the one bullet he keeps in his shirt pocket. 

So many of these series have so much ridiculousness in the name of drama.

The cop that got shot in the bank should have spent more time ta the gun range.  He pretty much emptied his gun and only shot one person in the leg.

Even the stars of this show do incredibly stupid things.  Like telling someone to halt and  identifying themselves when the person is 30 feet away, just so they can have a chase  scene.

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I felt sorry for the bank security guard. The man wanted to draw his gun, stand proud, remove the security guard stereotype of laziness and join OA and Maggie in the arrest/take down but OA deprived him of his one moment to shine and ordered him to take cover in the corner (never to be seen again).

Cutler looked dead for a minute while Maggie was emoting. Did the show forget to run the flat line sound? And after all that Maggie had to ask what was happening to him.
 

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Perhaps if Maggie had left the guy alone in the hospital bed, he would have survived and might have been able to answer her questions.  Her going there just added more stress to a guy that was struggling to survive.

I was a bit surprised that the doctor didn't tell Maggie to leave.  He just left at her request.  I don't think that would happen in a real life situation.

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57 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

Perhaps if Maggie had left the guy alone in the hospital bed, he would have survived and might have been able to answer her questions.  Her going there just added more stress to a guy that was struggling to survive.

I was a bit surprised that the doctor didn't tell Maggie to leave.  He just left at her request.  I don't think that would happen in a real life situation.

I wondered if she'd get blowback from that, then I remembered that I didn't care.

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4 minutes ago, Kelda Feegle said:

I wondered if she'd get blowback from that, then I remembered that I didn't care.

Me too. I thought she'd be accused of a revenge kill.

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42 minutes ago, Kelda Feegle said:

I wondered if she'd get blowback from that, then I remembered that I didn't care.

I don't think this is the only Dick Wolf show where FBI/cops overrule doctors.

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This show appears to be going in an odd direction. Maggie had never obsessed about that phone video until this episode. 
And why did OA not suggest having the video analyzed to identify the suspect? ... since the FBI tech wizards (literally, wizards) manage to solve most of the cases with little more than a reflected image from a rear-view mirror and a discarded gum wrapper. 
The only reason the cases take so long is that everyone has to wait for Maggie and OA to personally drive to every location to confront suspects and interview witnesses.

It was no surprise that the hired killer guy would die before talking. What was surprising was Maggie's "how could you?" attitude regarding hired killers not taking more of a personal interest in the lives of their targets. Is she new?

Unfortunately, the show has settled into a mostly regular pattern of tropes and cliches. I find myself more curious about what the other 10+ FBI agents are doing during the bullpen exposition sessions at headquarters. Do you think some of them are just checking their social media while pretending to pay attention? 

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Didn't care for this episode really and just because the suspect got some money doesn't mean he killed Jason. I liked how OA talked to Maggie and just listened. 

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The plot didn't make much sense at all. If a drug is being tested for efficacy, then it is in the drug company's best interest to notify the FDA of any manufacturing problems right away instead of trying to hide it. Otherwise the additional deaths would be blamed on the active ingredient in the drug, thus greatly increasing the chances that the drug is going to be rejected.

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