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Jubal undercover at the motel was by far the funniest moment of the show so far, that was awesome!! I would like a bit more lightness to the show, but I like the focus on the cases and investigations and I like all of the characters and they gel together well so I will definitely keep watching the show. 

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27 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Jubal undercover at the motel was by far the funniest moment of the show so far, that was awesome!! I would like a bit more lightness to the show, but I like the focus on the cases and investigations and I like all of the characters and they gel together well so I will definitely keep watching the show. 

Given the storyline, there was only so much humor to me in that scene, which was not much at all. Those were not willing prostitutes walking into his trap. In another context, I would've been more amused. So had they not graphically told us what the girls had endured when taken and then what they do now to not die and not have their families killed, maybe. But this show has been rather graphic with details, so it cuts down on the possibilities for amusement if you ask me.

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20 hours ago, threebluestars said:

I missed the explanation of why the two Ukrainian sisters were named Haley and Brooke ... so that was weird lol.

Show said their mother was American. A Northern California hippie. 

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I just found Jubal’s persona in that scene entertaining, he was quite good in that undercover role, his comment about getting a rebate if it takes him less than an hour made me laugh, I want to see Jubal in the field more. 

I don’t find the show to be nearly as dark as others do, and I thought last nights episode was by far the best so far, the case felt much more realistic and was very compelling, and the characters all gel together very well and are enjoyable to watch. 

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21 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

You have to search for it.  The two agents approach the Ukrainian doctor's apartment complex.  Agent Bell:  "What do you bet he's in the wind?" Seconds later, said doctor comes crashing down, through the wind, and into a car. 

Why would the property manager give up the locations of the gang's properties, if she was actually part of the cartel?  Was she looking to clean out the lower level thugs?

Another humor: (in the beginning of the episode) the mother has no problem letting her daughter go out in public dressed like that and made the father look like the bad guy for his reaction.

The property manager was arrogant. Her mistake was taking a picture with them.

The FBI agent that yelled "clear" should be punished for missing that guy coming up the stairs.

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I enjoyed this episode - and agreed - Jubal needs to be let out of the "boiler room" more often (and WHY does he wear a gun while barking out orders in said room?).

And yeah, interesting that the teenage girl in the upscale house at the beginning was pretty much dressed like a hooker and the victims were teenage hookers.  Was somebody trying to make a point there?  

And I have got to say it - I really hate the background music on these Dick Wolf produced shows.  Its all the same grim sounding synthesizer music which I find annoying as hell.  In some ways it reminds me of the old soap operas which always had somebody on an organ which blared ominous chords when some drama was about to go down (those of a certain age will know what I'm talking about).  

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15 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I just found Jubal’s persona in that scene entertaining, he was quite good in that undercover role, his comment about getting a rebate if it takes him less than an hour made me laugh, I want to see Jubal in the field more. 

I don’t find the show to be nearly as dark as others do, and I thought last nights episode was by far the best so far, the case felt much more realistic and was very compelling, and the characters all gel together very well and are enjoyable to watch. 

Yeah I don’t find it too bleak either. I’m really enjoying it. 

When the female  cop was interrogating Snake (?) why when he broke on the false detail was that treated like such an a ha moment?  Fundamentally I get it but the way I read the scene it’s like they saw that has a hook, line and sinker confession. Did I miss something?

Comtinue to be amazed how good Sela Ward looks. 

No relevance on this part but the opening house reminded me of the house Reese Witherspoon’s family lived in the movie Fear (if not seen - Mark Wahlberg is SMOKiNG hot but there is a sad dog scene).

its a good show that I will definitely continue to watch. I started for Sisto but am staying as I really like all the characters (especially the male cop- he’s excellent). 

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I liked the episode and thought Jubal undercover was kinda funny. 

How did Bell dress in this episode? For some reason, since a few people have mentioned it, I have been watching out for it. I thought it was fine. 

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22 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

One thing you can say for Dick Wolf: He seems to stick with many who have worked for him. Haas, of course, works/worked on Chicago Fire, and Rick Eid, as well as part of the Chicago franchise, also worked on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit and Law & Order: Criminal Intent. Not sure about the L&O Mothership, but I wouldn't doubt it.

NOOOOOOOOOOO. Doesn't sound good for this show for sure. 

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Special Agents Maggie Bell and OA Zidan rush to track down an active sniper with an elusive motive as the body count continues to rise.

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On 10/10/2018 at 12:54 PM, illdoc said:

In fact, one of the FBI agents said "Haley? Doesn't sound Ukrainian" and was told "her mother was American" (at the time, they only knew of the one girl). Weirder was the fact that I couldn't hear an accent from either girl. Having an American name (with an American mother) is one thing, but if you've been living your entire life in the Ukraine, you'd have an accent!

Furthermore, as the daughter of an American citizen, why did she need a visa? Unless the traffickers lied to her and the sister about needing them as a further means of control, but you'd think the mother would have mentioned it at some point. That entire aspect of the storyline could have been left out, since apparently its only purpose was to explain their names.

Aside from that, and the 'Why didn't they do X or Y during the initial confrontation with the main bad guy' questions raised by Netfoot and preeya above, I enjoyed this episode.

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I think that Sela Ward brings a lot to this show. It came on my radar when it was announced that she was joining the cast. They need to give Jeremy Sisto more to do. He's too high profile an actor to be just standing around bellowing orders. 

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I became aware of the show when it was announced that Sela Ward was joining the cast. She has always been one of my favorite actresses. I think she does a lot here even with a relatively minor part. I also like the female tech specialist (the one who defused the bomb in the church in the pilot). I've never seen the lead actor before; I think he is very good and always seems to be on the verge of blowing up. 

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This is terrible news, Rick Eid is one of the worst showrunners ever, he was in charge for the god awful season 18 of SVU, then he got sent to Chicago PD and wrecked that show, he was also one of the head writers of season 17 of the original L&O which was the worst season of that show. He’s a disaster and he could very well ruin this show. Just awful news.

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6 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

This is terrible news, Rick Eid is one of the worst showrunners ever, he was in charge for the god awful season 18 of SVU, then he got sent to Chicago PD and wrecked that show, he was also one of the head writers of season 17 of the original L&O which was the worst season of that show. He’s a disaster and he could very well ruin this show. Just awful news.

Maybe this will be mitigated some, though, unlike before as I saw from the weekly BTS credits that Rene Balcer is also involved with this show. And he was involved with the L&O Mothership and the first five seasons of Law & Order: Criminal Intent, and he handled both shows well. Maybe he will/can help to rein in the worse tendencies of Rick Eid and Derek Haas.

Maybe? *Crosses fingers*

ETA: Well, IMDB says Balcer was a "Consulting Producer" for one episode. (Had to have been among what has aired as I remembered seeing his name pop up in the credits.) Maybe IMDB is wrong and he'll be around more. I hope so for the sake of the show.

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Well, based on this one, I am guessing that Dick Wolf and his team are still ripping cases from the headlines, even as this one seems old. This one looks like a variation of John Lee Malvo and John Mohammed, a.k.a. the DC snipers all the way back in 2002. The grown man, his young apprentice. Numerous people shot.

The actor playing OA is still the highlight. I do wish both Jeremy Sisto and Sela Ward would get more play as I think - as actors - they have plenty to offer.

The ending to this one, IMO, was the only way it really could. I get the show trying to get me to empathize with Maggie, but I'm sorry, Missy Peregrym still leaves me cold. Thankfully, I like the rest of the team enough to continue watching, even as Every!Catastrophic!Event! must hit NYC to make the show work.

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Okay, they’re going a little deeper with the characters (within the constraints of the plot). But I don’t get a true sense of what the “relationship” between OA and Maggie is. Forget if they like one another, I don’t even know if they respect one another (though I’m sure they do — though I have no evidence of it). OA sometimes gives Maggie a look that says, “WTF.”

And, at least based on the last few episodes, it seems as though the Sela Ward character is letting/allowing/encouraging  Maggie to take “the leadership” role in her partnership with OA.

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I found the female partner to be the weakest link of the show. I must admit I only wanted to watch it because I thought Sisto would be in the field I'm not liking him in the office

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I’m enjoying the show, although I am tired of the mass casualty cases, 3 of the first 4 episodes have been that, episode 3, the human trafficking case, was the best because it was more unique and realistic. That being said I enjoy the show, the excellent chemistry between the characters and the fast paced, all case focused nature of the show keeps me interested. 

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Sela Ward's character is a gem. It's nice to see the person-in-charge supporting/nurturing the subordinates, unlike other shows where they are highly critical and almost never in agreement with them.

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5 hours ago, preeya said:

Sela Ward's character is a gem. It's nice to see the person-in-charge supporting/nurturing the subordinates, unlike other shows where they are highly critical and almost never in agreement with them.

That is one of the many aspects of this episode that I didn't like.  My eyes nearly rolled out of my head, I rolled them so hard with that Maggie "take the wheel" level of crap.

Maggie the FBI agent with a heart of gold that wouldn't tell the lawyer's wife that he was dumping her and moving on.  I know Maggie said what she said to spare her feelings, that the woman had been through enough.  But still, it was almost like the writers of this episode felt they had to redeem Maggie's character somehow after she called for the kill shot against the sniper.  That very sniper that OA promised to protect from being killed.  

Then we have OA having extreme guilt, feeling the need to try and help out the sniper's partner in crime.

I am surprised that they didn't call this "a very special episode" in the promo.

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I want to like this show so much but so far it's just another CBS procedural that doesn't stand out at all. And I find all the main characters so bland & boring.

I don't know how much longer I'll stick around. I mainly only watch for Missy. But I find everyone else, Sisto, Ward, the guy that plays OA, so stiff & uninteresting. 

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I did like how the show portrayed sitting Shiva. I'm going by an old memory tho--i thought mirrors were to be draped in black. The drapings last night appeared to be tan.

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(From the overhead shot) there had to be that one fool running out the office building by the 3 bodies. Maybe he figured it wasn't safe to stay in the building or he really needed to put more quarters in the parking meter.

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I liked this episode a lot. I also thought it was interesting that the big boss who owned the properties was never caught (no mention of catching the brother in Ukraine I think either). I wonder if the boss will be mentioned in a future episode? Although it is a Dick Wolf procedural so probably not.

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I watched in disbelief when the first two victims were shot in the head. Everyone and I mean everyone was jogging to safety! Sorry, but when gunfire rings out, people sprint like they have never sprinted before. Then my disbelief continued when three random idiots scooted/jogged by three dead bodies, like they didn't realize that they could still be shot. 

If Missy's Maggie disappeared I would not be disappointed. It's like I'm watching depressed Andy McNally. But she can still do everything that McNally could do. Not trained for negotiation but, but dammit, Maggie can do it! This show would be much better with a different female lead. Loving everyone but her.

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I do love Sela Ward, and I think her character is intriguing...but there was something about how she would narrow her eyes and eagerly lean towards the monitor when something awful was happening that kind of creeped me out.  Almost like her character was getting off on the awfulness.  Which...is an intriguing character trait!  I wonder if it is on purpose with a deep meaning, or just an accidental bit of acting business?

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13 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

But still, it was almost like the writers of this episode felt they had to redeem Maggie's character somehow after she called for the kill shot against the sniper. 

I hope Agent Bell went to every single family member of each victim that Cole had murdered, and listened to their story about their victim.  I'm certainly not the bloodthirsty revenge hound, but she seemed to have way too much sympathy for Cole after they killed him. 

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12 hours ago, Mikita said:

I watched in disbelief when the first two victims were shot in the head. Everyone and I mean everyone was jogging to safety! Sorry, but when gunfire rings out, people sprint like they have never sprinted before. Then my disbelief continued when three random idiots scooted/jogged by three dead bodies, like they didn't realize that they could still be shot. 

I started laughing when the overhead shot zoomed out and some stragglers decided to run right next to the dead bodies who had just been expertly shot.

Then I groaned because seriously? Another mass casualty event? The real United States doesn't experience this many terrorism incidents in a year, let alone having all of that happen in one city within a span of one month. This show is just way too grim to be escapism, and it's not saying anything meaningful about the characters or about the world. If a show is going to be this relentlessly grim, it better be Game of Thrones. And even that show has funny moments.

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Special Agents Maggie Bell and OA Zidan investigate the death of a safety inspector and its possible connection to a leak at a nuclear power plant.

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I liked some parts of the episode but I admit, there are times where I want to hear some background on other characters. 

I thought it was crazy that the three victims were so close together and how silly it was that some were just jogging away when the shooting happened. 

I do think the show can be better but just can't point to where it can be. 

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On 10/17/2018 at 8:04 PM, HurricaneVal said:

I do love Sela Ward, and I think her character is intriguing...but there was something about how she would narrow her eyes and eagerly lean towards the monitor when something awful was happening that kind of creeped me out.  Almost like her character was getting off on the awfulness.  Which...is an intriguing character trait!  I wonder if it is on purpose with a deep meaning, or just an accidental bit of acting business?

It appears that Sela Ward's plastic surgery has left her with a faint perpetual smile. I think that makes her scenes where she's called upon to be super serious feel slightly off-kilter. That is in contrast with Missy Peregrym who seems to walk around with permanent frowny face, thus making them the yin and yang of FBI agents, if you will.

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5 hours ago, Rambler said:

It appears that Sela Ward's plastic surgery has left her with a faint perpetual smile. I think that makes her scenes where she's called upon to be super serious feel slightly off-kilter. That is in contrast with Missy Peregrym who seems to walk around with permanent frowny face, thus making them the yin and yang of FBI agents, if you will.

Didn't know she had plastic surgery. 

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On 10/10/2018 at 9:11 AM, preeya said:

Every FBI show that I have ever watched, they are notorious for letting perps get away in vehicles. This one is no different.

SHOOT OUT THE DAMN TIRES.

Actually, that is one of the TV tropes that is also my pet peeve. While it looks cool in the movies or TV but shooting the tires of a moving passenger vehicle is a virtually impossible shot. The target is a very narrow strip of tire wall - even narrower if one uses low-profile - and it is moving, many times not in constant speed and direction. So Dick Wolf's shows are somewhat tied to reality, I would appreciate their not adding fantasy aspect in the action.

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I see that they are following the Law & Order tradition of casting actors who seem way too old for their military rank and service history given. Even if he enlisted at 35 to be a Corporal and that old means he probably wasn't allowed to stay in. And being a 35 year old Ranger Private 10 years ago, is highly unlikely.

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I don't know if it was the nuclear stuff, but this one bored me. So much so, I left it on in the background while doing other things. Always next week, I guess!

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OA came off this week as having a serious stick up his butt.  "Everything the government does is legitimate.  There is no need to question authority.  Obey and forget."

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This was an enjoyable episode, very good suspense the whole way through and an interesting case. I liked the tension between Maggie and OA in this one, this was the first time we had seen tension between the main characters on the show and it was a nice change of pace, OA did irritate me with his “government can do wrong” attitude although he was sort of conflicted by the end.

My only problem with the episode was that the bad guy confessed too easily, I thought he would smell the set up and that they would have the conversation in a more private area. 

Not nearly enough of Jubal in this one, he’s seriously underused. 

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So, are they setting this up to be Maggie, who does what needs to be done to solve the case, versus OA, who thinks everyone has rights and those rights/thoughts/beliefs shouldn’t be trampled upon???

I still wonder if Maggie and OA like one another. I missed a little of the premier episode—have these two been working together awhile, or just now formed a team?

i don’t know why but whenever they’re in the bullpen, I keep expecting to see Emily Prentiss and Dave Rossi walk by in the background. And maybe one day Maggie and OA will ride up in the elevator with Bone and Booth, and they’ll see what a real team is like. 

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8 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

My only problem with the episode was that the bad guy confessed too easily, I thought he would smell the set up and that they would have the conversation in a more private area. 

Not nearly enough of Jubal in this one, he’s seriously underused. 

I didn't understand why the bad guy confessed at all. He was in the middle of a public space with at least four other people who could hear him. Even if he didn't know he was being recorded, why would he declare out loud that he had committed murder?

I really like Jubal's actor, but he doesn't do anything on this show besides shout a lot. There's just nothing for him to work with.

Seeing Haddi Tabal made me sad because I really liked The Brave and I miss it.

The disagreement between Maggie and OA was just....kind of there? It came out of nowhere for me. It would have been much more interesting if OA had taken the side of the whistleblower, and I think it would have been much more in character, too. If there's anybody who understands that the government can screw up, it's a Muslim in post-9/11 America.

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18 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I don't know if it was the nuclear stuff, but this one bored me. So much so, I left it on in the background while doing other things. Always next week, I guess!

Good thing I dvr'd it.  I fell asleep twice trying to watch this episode.  I finally got through it.

12 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

My only problem with the episode was that the bad guy confessed too easily, I thought he would smell the set up and that they would have the conversation in a more private area. 

He confessed in a room where there was a bunch of other witnesses.  All he had to do is not admit to doing anything. 

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On 10/18/2018 at 11:36 AM, Xantar said:

I started laughing when the overhead shot zoomed out and some stragglers decided to run right next to the dead bodies who had just been expertly shot.

Then I groaned because seriously? Another mass casualty event? The real United States doesn't experience this many terrorism incidents in a year, let alone having all of that happen in one city within a span of one month. This show is just way too grim to be escapism, and it's not saying anything meaningful about the characters or about the world. If a show is going to be this relentlessly grim, it better be Game of Thrones. And even that show has funny moments.

I agree about the mass casualty cases, 3 of the first 5 have been that and it’s getting absurd, having a slew of mass casualty cases in the NY area is quickly getting tiresome, there’s so much more the show can deal with and by far the strongest episode was episode 3 which dealt with human trafficking and not a mass casualty terrorism case, it was much more realistic and entertaining. 

However I am enjoying the show because I like all of the characters, they gel very well together and have nice chemistry, and I like the entirely case focused, fast paced nature of the show.

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4 hours ago, Xantar said:

Seeing Haddi Tabal made me sad because I really liked The Brave and I miss it.

So much! I tuned in for only the last five minutes of this, and was like, "Amir!!!" <3

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1 hour ago, dargosmydaddy said:

So much! I tuned in for only the last five minutes of this, and was like, "Amir!!!" <3

Same here. I miss The Brave so much. Sigh.

As for this show, at least Missy eked out a teeny, tiny bit of emotion, so that was a nice change of pace. 

I agree with basically every comment on this thread, and I think the overall problem is that the writers aren't really developing the characters individually or as a team. We don't have background info as to how new this partnership is with OA and Maggie, so that argument did seem to come out of nowhere and didn't play organically at all (at least to me), and his utter unwillingness to even consider a point of view different from his own about the issue(s) until the very end was at least borderline irritating, though he remains my favorite character. 

I continue to not understand how a show has Jeremy Sisto and Sela Ward in the main cast, yet doesn't do anything with them. At all. That just doesn't make any sense at all. So the bottom line seems to be that the cast is mostly comprised of skilled, charismatic actors (with Missy being the weakest link, imo), but the writers don't seem to have a clue what to do with them, at least not yet. Here's hoping that changes sooner rather than later.

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On ‎11‎.‎10‎.‎2018 at 11:18 PM, Emma9 said:

Furthermore, as the daughter of an American citizen, why did she need a visa?

The girls were US citizens but they didn't automatically get a passport. And I don't think that a passport lists dual citizenship but I'm not sure. But if it doesn't then no one would have known that they are dual citizens when they applied for a visa. However, they would have known, so why didn't they apply for a passport? Maybe the traffickers got them the visas?

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17 hours ago, weathered1 said:

I continue to not understand how a show has Jeremy Sisto and Sela Ward in the main cast, yet doesn't do anything with them

I don't even remember Sela being in this particular episode!

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I thought this episode was okay and I do agree with those who thought Miller confessed too easily and it would never happen in real life the way they did that. 

Who did Haddi play? Miller or Fletcher? 

I wish Sisto and Ward's characters were in a bit more though. 

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