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S02.E05: Seeds of Doubt

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When Michael said something like the man in the relationship should  be the boss and Ang tossed back her fried beached hair, took a long drag on the Marlboro and said 'it ain't happening' in her gravel voice... I worried for Michael and I realized reality TV can be way more entertaining than any network scripted show.  I understand we're being manipulated to a certain extent with editing, etc.,  but you simply can't write this stuff. I'm hoping she gets to bring him back to the States.  It'll be must see TV.

Yikes, the doubt in Rachel's eyes when Jon asked if she trusted him.  I wish he'd chop off that dreadful Rasputin beard. It's scary.

Something is definitely up with Kareeny.  She doesn't even look or act like the same girl this season. 

Darcy is literally dripping desperation from every pore. Jesse is a pompous ass. They have become boring.

Why are they all so messy?   Ang has clothes heaped all over the floor.  Darcy and Jesse were stepping over piles of clothes at the hotel.  And Kareeny is just a messy toddler.  I don't stay in fancy hotels, but I do hang my clothes in the closet provided.

This season seems to have taken a bit of a darker turn somehow.

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10 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

If I fry or grill a steak on the stove, it's in my Le Creuset grill pan. The pan has to be seasoned properly, the steak needs to be seared on high heat. That steak looked like something that came out of my old George Foreman Grill.

Oh no we are dissing George Foreman grills? AHHA AAAAAHHHH GRRRRRRR I LOVE MINE!!!!

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If Angela used her last to fund this trip, how in the hell is she going to afford the K1 process? I don't know how much it costs, but I know it isn't free by any stretch. I doubt anyone around her would be willing or even suitable to take on 10 years of co-sponsoring. She is loud, uncouth, and just a nasty person. Michael, don't hitch your wagon to that. She speaks like an abuser. Stop doing things like ____, and I wouldn't have to ____. And especially telling someone you make me do xyz. 

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Darci and Jesse are unreal, they both have all there weapons drawn prepared for battle over anything they can find to fight over,  they turn the simplest thing into a “personal attack” ... I’m not sure what keeps them even wanting to be near eachother. I’m guessing the make up sex must be really good! But there’s a good chance they argue during sex as well!

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2 minutes ago, Dobian said:

I don't pick his side at all, he's a giant tool.  So she was being annoying about prepping the steak.  Like her daughters said, you storm out of the house over THAT?  She wants to cut the steak so much, STFU and let her cut the damn steak.  I get into petty little disputes with my wife all the time, I don't run out to the backyard like a little bitch over it.  This so-called life coach can't even handle a minor disagreement with someone without turning it into a huge deal.  He needs to go back to being single for a few years and learn some basic social interaction skills before attempting to have a relationship with somebody.

I totally agree he's a tool but it wasn't just cutting the steak...it was stirring the rice, putting a chargrill on, it was constant.  I'm impressed at the restraint he showed.

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12 hours ago, JennyMominFL said:

That steak WAS badly cooked. Just sayin

And Darcey was mangling it with that  dull knife.  Cut it on the BIAS!!!   Geez people let the steak rest a few minutes before you start ripping it apart, that's how it stays juicy.

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10 hours ago, TheRedQueen said:

This show is becoming less entertaining and more heart breaking. 

Jesse and Ol’ Carrot Cake- Jesse, no one cares the kids aren’t yours, especially the butcher. I at least give him props for being decent with Carrot cake’s daughters up until she kept nagging him and nit picking. She needs to keep her mouth shut about their issues to her kids, it’s not their shit show it’s yours. These two must be triggered by food, tonight it was a steak. 

Tarik and Hazel- Ok I’ll admit that I don’t dislike these two as much as the others. Ohhh brother Dean was way outta line. I get he’s worried but berating a young girl in public is not cool. She doesn’t have to answer your questions and you have no idea why she let her ex take her son. I feel for her, Tarik is a way out of poverty and a way to get her son back, fuck Dean for making her feel like crap because she made the best choice for her child. She’s the only one I want to actually find happiness in this shit show. 

Tabacco Angie and Michael- I agree with everyone that she can/will be an abuser. She’s already slapped him in the face in public and you could hear the slaps when they were walking across the scary ass walkway in the nature preserve. Just run Michael, it’s not like she can catch up to you. Love his friends though. I’m also positive the producers are giving her the worst lighting possible in her TH segments, her wrinkle lines run deeper then the Mariana Trench. 

Pole and Khareknee- Hate them both. They manipulate each other all the time. I feel bad for her mom because she sees what’s going on and just wants her daughter to be happy. Pole must be terrifying when the cameras aren’t around keeping him in check.

Rachel and Scruff Daddy- yawn. He has anger issues and she’s desperate. Hope the other dad takes custody of the new baby too. 

Ricky- just please stop. Your soooo lame. What’s wrong with the new woman that she actually likes him? Why did Ricky have some weird dark marks on his forehead? 

Was it like a flash back to the 80s episode tonight? Jesse with his headband I wore back in grade school. Tarik dressing like he just came off the set of the Right Said Fred ‘I’m too sexy’ video shoot. Rickey’s fanny pack and cheesy “romantic” giant vanilla dollar store candles and bag of rose petals straight from a Harlequin romance novel. Btw I’ve never seen a bag of rose petals for sale. EVER. 

I think the rose petals came from some potpourri bag.

The dark marks on his forehead....  callous from his too tight doo-rag?

Dean questioning Hazel? Yeah he was rough,but she clearly doesn’t want to come clean on her past relationships and the situation with her child. She acted like she was getting lead to the guillotine on the way to meet him. If she’s got messiness in her past better It  comes out now than after the wedding. She looks nothing like the sexy pictures that got Tarek hooked, (neither does Karine). Not sure why they aren’t playing up the sexy anymore. 

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11 hours ago, trimthatfat said:

I’m sorry, but Angela blaming Michael for why she snaps makes me feel like she could end up being abusive. That’s what abusive partners say...you made me upset, you made me snap, you made me yell. Very scary.

That's what Nicole used to say to Azan .   Angela is Nicole in 30 years.

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12 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

These people are messes....all ...of..them!

Alternative theory, Karine is pregnant and Paul knows she is pregnant, the baby is his and TLC wanted to conceal it for the season.

That’s what I was thinking. That or they are filming fake scenes to work with their “storyline” towards the end of his visit, pretending it’s the beginning of it instead. Would explain why she looks different from scene to scene (more puffy, less puffy, more acne, less acne) 

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12 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Is this the episode in which Paul realizes that his problems follow him wherever he goes?

I don't believe Paul possesses that level of self-awareness. He, like the others on this show, are looking for a spouse-bot that will be attractive and do as he says, act as he wants, etc. I don't see that any of them this season counted on being in a relationship with another human being. 

Karine is desperate. Her parents aren't under any illusions, and are trying to treat their daughter with respect, probably because they see this as a chance for her. But they know it's not what they want for her.

 

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Language and cultural barriers aside, he is worse than Jessie. Jessie doesn't respect Darcey and doesn't have any interest in hiding it and Pole doesn't realize that the other people around him are more than holograms to do his bidding. If Karine was an appropriate age and on equal financial footing, she would tell him to hit the road. 

Jessie confuses being physically mature with being an adult. He makes up his mind to suit himself and then comes up with reasons why his way is the correct way. He lacks introspection, and is trying to bend the world around him to the will of Jessie. 

Darcey, meanwhile, confuses being physically mature with being an adult. Darcey -- teach your daughters that your self-respect is worth more than the boy toy. Right now, the girls are the mature ones, and the victims, in the room. 

BTW, that steak looked like crap, and cutting it too soon before it rested did not help any of that. Amsterdam has awesome steak houses -- none of which would have served something looking like that.

 

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Ximena is wayyyyyyy prettier than Melissa. Melissa is like those girls in LA who have all the things that pretty girls have...the fake blonde hair, extensions, fake boobs, veneers, and lots of makeup. Those are distractions though. So many basic girls like that. Ximena is actually pretty.

Ximena is prettier, and actually an adult. Not so sure about Melissa. My guess is that Melissa is also working multiple cash streams, and doesn't want those interrupted.

Dickie is a dog who's only thinking with what's in his camo shorts. Going to be hard hide his intentions if Ximena ever sees the show. She seems relatively intelligent, though, and self-assured. Maybe she could run a Luis on Dicky.

 

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Jon has some serious issues. 50 fights is not someone with nothing to lose. It's someone who can't control their temper and can't predict perfectly reasonable consequences (like being arrested, having your ass kicked, getting very hurt or accidentally injuring someone else terribly). 

Rachel's looking a bit desperate. And I agree with the comment someone made on the gloves. She comments Jon's hands are cold -- if his hands are cold, cover up the baby!

I agree on being concerned on Jon's temper. There is much reason for concern, esp. with two children depending on her.

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35 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

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This season seems to have taken a bit of a darker turn somehow.

I agree. Paul and his neurotic antics provided a much-needed dose of humor in S1 and that's clearly lacking. Ricky is the only part of the show that isn't depressing in some way, but he's a disgusting horndog pig, so you can't even root for him. Everyone else is either really poor and/or really desperate and/or fighting.

26 minutes ago, AussieBabe said:

If Angela used her last to fund this trip, how in the hell is she going to afford the K1 process? I don't know how much it costs, but I know it isn't free by any stretch. I doubt anyone around her would be willing or even suitable to take on 10 years of co-sponsoring. She is loud, uncouth, and just a nasty person. Michael, don't hitch your wagon to that. She speaks like an abuser. Stop doing things like ____, and I wouldn't have to ____. And especially telling someone you make me do xyz. 

I've never investigated the actual guidelines for the K1 process, but it must be a very low bar if people like Danielle (Mohamed) would qualify.

Jesse/Darcey: I couldn't take more than 5 minutes with either one of them. Totally toxic.

Tarik/Hazel: Her situation is desperate and Dean had virtually no right whatsoever to judge her about her son. He knew her for 30 seconds before he started berating her. Who is the fool who left his autistic daughter to chase Filipino pussy that he had only known for three weeks? Who is the fool who flew thousands of miles to shout down a woman that he didn't even know? Look in the mirror before you get on your high horse, asshole.

Ricky: This feels like show manipulation. Woman #2 put her life on hold at the drop of a hat to visit with him, which to me means that this was a producer setup from the beginning or she's a hooker. I could make arguments for both. I can't stand him or his segments so I'm hoping that he gets dumped yet again.

Paul/Karine: This feels like another producer-driven plot. I think Karine is pregnant, it may or may not be Paul's, he went to Brazil clearly with the intention of marrying her, and this drama is just to extend their tv time.

Angela/Michael: He really is this desperate to leave Nigeria. I really hope that the cameras are rolling when he sees how Angela lives.

ETA: Rachel/Jon: I read the spoilers so I know how their relationship turns out. As a result, I've grown bored with them. I think she's the worst mother ever featured on this show and yes, even worse than Nicole. Azan is at least not barred from the US because of a violent past. She's really selfish because if she pursues a relationship with Jon, she'll likely have to move to the UK. Has she spared a thought for her older daughter who will either be left behind in the US or deprived of a relationship with her bio dad if she's taken along? Rachel is stupid.

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18 minutes ago, iwasish said:

[Hazel] looks nothing like the sexy pictures that got Tarek hooked, (neither does Karine). Not sure why they aren’t playing up the sexy anymore. 

No need. They got the fish on the line, ready to be reeled in. Now they're ready to harvest those American dollars.

Which tells me at least one will be very disappointed. And the other may be less disappointed, but will have to put up with a collection of dumb-ass hats, worn backwards.

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7 minutes ago, iwasish said:

Dean questioning Hazel? Yeah he was rough,but she clearly doesn’t want to come clean on her past relationships and the situation with her child. She acted like she was getting lead to the guillotine on the way to meet him. If she’s got messiness in her past better It  comes out now than after the wedding. She looks nothing like the sexy pictures that got Tarek hooked, (neither does Karine). Not sure why they aren’t playing up the sexy anymore. 

I'm wondering if that's the producers' influence? With Kyle and Noon, once they realized how rough Kyle's past had been and how the two were sincerely in love they seemed to back waay off of embarrassing them. So, Hazel is the poor factory girl who doesn't have time for makeup as opposed to the evil seductress.

Hazel's reluctance to answer those difficult questions might have been because the answers were sticky, but it also could have been a cultural thing. Blunt communication about one's personal life with someone you've just met is just not done there. Actually, that's more or less a cultural thing in the United States.

It might be that, knowing all of the behind the scenes details, they find Hazel to be a far more empathy-worthy than we realize.  I go back and forth on her. She seems pretty tough as nails, and I respect that. She's also mercenary and I don't want to judge that too harshly because I've never had to deal with poverty that is anything close to hers. 

It's unsettling to see people marry as more of a quid pro quo transaction, but I'm looking more sternly at Tarik who views Hazel as an extension of some lame internet fantasy as opposed to a real flesh and blood person. I'm sure he'll try to understand her feelings... with the exception of her true feelings about him. 

When she leaves him she'll probably shrug and tell him, "Life sucks sometimes. Believe me, I know."

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2 hours ago, Lily247 said:

My heart broke for hazel when dean questioned why her son doesnt live with her and made insinuations against her. Even though she is clearly just a run of the mill opportunistic seeker. 

 

3 hours ago, Neurochick said:

But Hazel is a user and if Tarik isn’t careful she’ll drain him and there will be nothing left for his daughter.  Come on, Hazel is not some innocent little flower.  She’s woman enough to get on the Internet to look for an American man.  Goodness, Dean was just being honest.  I’ll say it again, Hazel is a vampire and she’s fooling many with her act.

I think Dean came in way too hot, aggressive with a purely American view of the question, however I don't object to the line of questioning, merely the way and tone it was asked. In America, there is the thought (even though it may not be that accurate in some of today's family courts) that if a woman doesn't have custody of her small child it is because she is a bad mother. Given the fact that one of Tarik's talking points is that Hazel would make a good mom to his special needs daughter, it is more than valid to question why Hazel isn't even raising her own. 

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I don't think Dean, brother of Tarik, understands life outside the US.  From his world view, there really would be something questionable about a woman giving up custody, even if she was poor (by US guidelines.) 

On Hazel's part, she could have answered the question!  How hard is it to say, "I didn't have the money to feed him?" Of course, it might not be the whole story. Hazel is admittedly using Tarik for a better standard of living (as he is using her for hot-wife cred). I'd be more concerned if someone wasn't asking her questions.  Mamma and Pappa Hazel certainly had questions for Tarik.  

Edit: islandgirl beat me to the point.  :)

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Jon's friend's "I personally think he's an absolute mental case" did not need anything else to finish that sentence.

 

Darcey (in a snarl): "I have patience darling."

Jesse: "You ruined everything!" 

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8 minutes ago, DropTheSoap said:

Ximena is prettier, and actually an adult. Not so sure about Melissa. My guess is that Melissa is also working multiple cash streams, and doesn't want those interrupted.

Dickie is a dog who's only thinking with what's in his camo shorts. Going to be hard hide his intentions if Ximena ever sees the show. She seems relatively intelligent, though, and self-assured. Maybe she could run a Luis on Dicky.

My guess is that NotMelissa is probably pretty familiar with how things roll herself, seeing as how quickly she wanted to get that horny little American (the first one she has ever met!) into bed with her.  I'm thinking The Rickster could have even went full-on camo and had his little Rambo costume on again, and not even the fanny pack would have slowed NotMelissa's roll.  Who's getting played now? 

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Once established in the US  Hazel will bring over her family one by one.  I don't know if she has brothers and sisters, but they'll all end up in the States, mom and dad too.  She probably would be a decent hard working girl once she gets her green card and maybe a good mother to the children.  But this is not love.  This is charity work, same as sponsoring a child in a poor country.

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4 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

Karine may have found out about Pole’s abusive past. She seems pretty Internet savvy, if she’s picking up all these men. All she’d have to do is Google Pole’s name and look at those mug shots.

There’s this one for violating a protection order:

 

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1 hour ago, configdotsys said:

Paul and Karine are getting more unwashed and gross by the week. Paul is lucky that Karine’s family did not beat his ass when she told them he’s not nice to her when her parents are not around. I didn’t get a feeling that he’s mean to her. I think she’s secretive and doing stuff behind his back and he knows that. His answer is to “forbid” her from being “social” online but she lives on her phone and spends her days lounging in bed chatting up whomever while he does the dishes and puts her toys away. Bleh.

I get the impression that now that she, and her parents, have his entire criminal record, she's tailoring her complaints about how terrible he is to his criminal record so she can be the victim. He's not self-aware enough to be completely different when the cameras are off. I think he complains a lot and probably expects her to pitch in with housework far more than her parents seem to have, but nothing he's asked, at least on camera, has been unreasonable. "I cooked, you clean." or "I'll do the dishes, you do the laundry." isn't asking too much. If/When they move to the US and he's working all day to pay for them, she can't expect to just sit at home and do nothing. Even when shopping, he asks her a question about a cleaning product trying to determine which product to buy but she's too busy on her phone to answer his questions.

 

Jon - Rachel needs way more information on what he qualifies as a "fight" because there's a vast difference between a schoolyard scuffle, defending someone, and a drunken bar brawl. From how he talked, it seemed like his count included all three of those. I'd be more worried about the bar brawls, especially if they are very recent, than fights in the schoolyard when he was a hormonal teen. Kids do stupid things, even when they should know better and some take longer to cook than others. As a criminal defense attorney, I even have an option for adults over 18 (legal age in the state) but not yet 22 called the "youthful offender act" that allows this group to have those stupid moments. You usually just get to use it once, but for a decent kid who gets a minor in possession or a marijuana charge that could derail their entire future, it seals the record while still requiring them to do whatever the punishment is, usually probation of some sort. I would also like to know when his last "fight" was. If it's been a number of years since he got into a fight, he may have learned better coping mechanisms and how do deal with his aggression in a healthy way. I know that a lot of the time, it's presumed that people don't change, but if drinking and fights were the way he used to release his aggression and now he plays American football to do the same thing, even if he still drinks but not to the same extent, I'd be inclined to believe that he has changed. I'd still be very aware of his past, but I wouldn't just write him off as a violent drunk in that scenario. Part of the reason that I think this may be the case is that he keeps saying that Lucy's crying is causing him "stress." It feels like it's something he learned in therapy to deal with his aggression and voicing when he is starting to get frustrated. It seems like he has been told to identify the source of the stress out loud so that he's conscious of the things that could lead to aggression and then find solutions to them that aren't aggression.

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6 minutes ago, Mercolleen said:

Jon's friend's "I personally think he's an absolute mental case" did not need anything else to finish that sentence.

That was in regards to Jon finding his one true love across the pond.  Friend must not be a big fan of dating over the Internets.

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The thing with Jon and Rachel is that he's not going to get into the States with that record.  So it's the other way around in this instance.  Rachel will be applying to emigrate to the UK if they do decide to get married.  How does she feel about that? 

I cannot even envision Darcy and Jesse ever having a long-term relationship, but if they both decided to make a go of it because they enjoy misery and hunger- would they even live in the States?  Amsterdam is a beautiful city. What would Jesse do once he got his green card? Riding around on a high horse isn't exactly a paying job.  

No one discusses anything of importance on this show.  As much as I'm enjoying all the crazy... it would be interesting to see actual folk going through the 90 day process because they're in love and have thought things through like adults.

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Just now, Drogo said:

She didn't want to cut the steak so much as she wanted to stand over him and criticize while he cut the steak.  After she criticized how he stirred the rice and accused him of pushing her. 

 

 

This is just it. Neither can shut up and let something go. They're both "right" all the time, and she's just as bad as he. Last week in the car for example, she just had to open her trap and tell Jesse that he was elbowing her, (it looked to me like she was cuddled up next to him and he sort of stretched, it didn't look like anything intentional. She couldn't let it go, she just had to make sure she pointed it out instead of simply placing his arm around her or shifting over slightly without saying anything. Then instead of saying, "oh, sorry babe," he balks at her statement and arguing ensues. Last night too, with the pushing. Surely people bump into each other in small kitchens without accusing the other of "pushing." 

Same thing when they were looking at pictures when they were out for pizza, they can't enjoy the pictures, oh no. They get into a fight over social media, "well, since you won't let me go on Facebook, which pictures are you going to post?" She baited and he got defensive. I don't know what the hell she expected. They want to have a nice meal out, but they have to bring up social media and then argue over it. 

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1 hour ago, calpurnia99 said:

Oh no we are dissing George Foreman grills? AHHA AAAAAHHHH GRRRRRRR I LOVE MINE!!!!

I have one. A mini one. I still use it in winter. 

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27 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

The thing with Jon and Rachel is that he's not going to get into the States with that record.  So it's the other way around in this instance.  Rachel will be applying to emigrate to the UK if they do decide to get married.  How does she feel about that?

She has another child too, correct? They’d all have to immigrate to the UK. With the cost of living over there, they will be living with the sister for some time.

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Dean's questions about why Hazel doesn't have her son may be legit (or legit for Tarek anyway) but to come in all aggressive and accuse her of being a bad mother as soon as they meet?  Not the way to get those questions answered, or to be a decent human being.

What if it was a case where Hazel could not afford to work and care for / feed the child.  The father has somewhat better circumstances and a better home with family around who can care for the child but not enough to financially support Hazel so she doesn't have to work.  There is no social safety net in the Philippines to help Hazel.  She can't afford good childcare while she works her ten hour days and the money she gets isn't enough not to work, so she uses most of her money to pay for sketchy arrangements and then only sees her son while he's sleeping.  Would it not perhaps be a better situation for him to live with his father and be cared for by a grandmother or aunt?

Now, maybe that is not the case here, but Dean has no idea and intimidating Hazel is not the way to find out.  

Also, this difficult subject may be something that she is willing to discuss with Tarek but doesn't feel comfortable sharing with his other relatives.  Lots of people share difficult things with their spouses but don't want to discuss it with their in-laws.  It doesn't mean they are sketchy, it just means they have certain boundaries.  If Tarek isn't comfortable with those boundaries, then he is free to end the relationship.

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3 hours ago, configdotsys said:

The dinner making was a riot. Let’s have the kids watch us nearly kill each other while cooking steak and Rice a Roni. Madness indeed... There were some priceless looks on the faces of Darcey's kids during that fun, family bonding moment.

I wonder if they ever got to divvy up that mini carrot cake into four "tiny-just-like-Darcey" wedges

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3 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:

 

My 91-year-old mother,  who smoked since age 25 (coincident with my birth,  haha!), didn't have anywhere near the wrinkles of Angela.  And that's an understatement. 

And does Angela think she is NOT fat? She really does shop at Delusions 'R' Us.

 

Just watched the YouTube clip of Grangela on the Maury Povich show. Looks like she lost some weight between the first and second go-round, so her wrinkles could be a result of that (in addition to the smoking AND the sun exposure from living in the South). And since she did lose some weight, in her mind she thinks she is now svelte. Guess it depends on your perspective.

I just hope my comment here doesn’t make her snap.

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4 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

With the cost of living over there, they will be living with the sister for some time.

The UK is an expensive place with very high taxes.  However free health care and a very generous welfare system will help Jon and Rachel, although they probably will be living with sister or mum for a long time.  Jon will be out at the pub with his friends.  It rains a lot and I think Rachel is from a sunshine State.  She needs to think long and hard about this relationship.  It's not just the fights. It's the complete change in lifestyle.

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2 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

 

That Maury clip made my day! i wonder if she sent that in as her audition tape for 90-Days?? LMAO!!

Smoking isn’t doing Angela’s teeth any favors

 

To whoever posted that Maury clip, thank you and kudos.

Grangela has a whole new set of teeth. I think she bought them at the same pawn shop where she put Michael’s ring on layaway.

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I have to say, as much of a dumpster fire as this show is, at least it reminded me I need to empty my lint trap! 

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3 hours ago, noveltylibrary said:
4 hours ago, Honey said:

Then he better keep looking, because hazel is ugly as hell.

not sure where you get that! she really looks like angie jolie to me, without makeup.

Count me in with the people who never got the "most beautiful woman in the world" hype about Angelina Jolie. She and Hazel do have similar facial structure, high cheekbones and full lips, but to me they're both kind of skeletal looking and have resting bitch face. 

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2 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

I have to have a new conspiracy theory about this show now that my idea of Jon's being Lucy's bio dad has been shot down. Maybe we'll get to see his mug shots like we did with Pole's. 

If Lucy was really Jon’s bio-baby, she would have been born with a beard and vacant eyes. On this show, Lucy is the antidote for hopelessness.

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2 minutes ago, Quof said:

I watch this show solely for my self esteem.  It makes my life look like a shining beacon of good decision making. Plus, I feel like a beauty queen.

*small voice* I strangely like and enjoy Angela. 

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26 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

She has another child too, correct? They’d all have to immigrate to the UK. With the cost of living over there, they will be living with the sister for some time

Apparently, Rachel has conveniently forgotten that she has another child who is 7 yo and whose father seems to have prohibited her from being filmed. If that’s the case, Ella’s dad would also not permit his daughter to live overseas just because Rachel is searching for love (and Jon’s arrest record would only add to the decision to keep Ella away). But I guess if Rachel is happy, no one else matters. Poor Ella can grow up knowing that her mother abandoned her for an angry-when-drinking garbage picker.

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Usually when the fiancees meet family members on this show, it's awkward because we get the sense that these families don't feel that the partners are good enough for their loved ones.  Interestingly, in Jon's case I'm sensing it's the reverse, with all of his family members quietly and urgently telling Rachel: "Run!" 

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I love how Ricky was suddenly confused when it came time to ask Ximena to get in her pants. “Oops. I accidentally asked her if she wanted to spend the night with me in Spanish. That’s not what I meant to say. Ohh noo. Gosh darn.” 

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13 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Ximena is wayyyyyyy prettier than Melissa. Melissa is like those girls in LA who have all the things that pretty girls have...the fake blonde hair, extensions, fake boobs, veneers, and lots of makeup. Those are distractions though. So many basic girls like that. Ximena is actually pretty.

Agreed - Ximena is very attractive and seems to be able to hold a conversation.  Ricky's standard of beauty (and conversation) is defined by porn.

"look, diapers!"said the King of Trolls

I'm sorry, but I have to say something about Karine's look in the talking head interviews.  She has long, lifeless hanks of black hair and there is something on her chin that kind of looks like a wart.  She looks like a witch in those THs...............apologies, apologies, apologies.  I hate myself for commenting on someone's natural look.  Fake physicality (Darcey, Melissa) is totally fair game so I feel like a creep for commenting on Karine.  Its just been eating at me though!!  Sorry Karine!!

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15 hours ago, Kangatush said:

I have never been to Africa, but this show makes me believe it makes your shoulders really hot.

How dumb is she to talk about the hot weather to the locals?  ?

For all Angela knows, she might be visiting Nigeria at the coolest time of year and Michael's friends are thinking, "Hot? You call THIS hot?" 

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The major red flag for me outside of Jon's 50-60 fights was how his friends were prodding and asking when the most recent one was, and the one friend shushed the other friend when he was asking questions. Jon vaguely said a few years or some time ago, but the friend wasn't buying it. It was like he was trying to coax the truth out of him. That whole exchange with his friends was weird.

Rachel said she shares custody with the ex-husband, so unless he's suddenly OK with her uprooting their daughter and only seeing her on holidays/school holidays, I doubt that will work. He didn't even want the little girl's face to be shown during the brief time she was on screen. She might very well be willing to leave the daughter in the States to go pursue her insta-family. Jon might have changed, but it's serious when a fight resulted in an "eye injury." Was the chap left blinded? Did he break an eye socket? Is he drinking too much and starting fights. He's in his mid-30s, and if he can't hold his liquor, maybe he doesn't need to drink as much or needs to avoid the bars. If he was in uni between 18 and 22, why were you still getting into fights up until a few years ago? Five assault charges is nothing to sneeze at.

Angela is so unlikable. She's wearing cut out shoulder tops that say, "Flawless." Is she borrowing her daughter's clothing? If Michael has told you that your way of dressing isn't acceptable, respect it. She has no respect for him or his culture. I don't know what the benefit is for him. A chain smoking, cursing like a sailor, old as his grandmum, going through menopause, nasty attitude, disrespectful, I'm the boss, loud, braying, abrasive personality, and he describes her as masculine. Her statements were alarming because saying things like, "You make me do this or that," is what abusers say to their victims to justify it. She spent the episode yelling at him and taking long drags of Marlboros. He can do better. No green card is worth having to live in a double wide with that.

Jesse and Darcey. Please tell me he's going home next Sunday. They're so toxic. They're my weekly drinking game.

Dean came on way too strong, and I'm betting he had several too many while waiting for them to come to the bar. I have to fault the some of the Americans. They bitch and whine to their friends and families about these people, and then, when the friends and family members express said grievances, it's a problem. It's just like last season with Larry and Jenny. He told his cousin and his wife about Jenny talking to other men, so the cousin and the wife brought it up when they chatted with her. I suspect that Tarik told his brother that Hazel's son resides with his father, but he left out that she lives in poverty and couldn't afford the child. I think there might be a bit of cultural issue, too. I suspect that it's frowned upon in some circumstances when a woman gives a child to his father or her parents and goes on to live her best life. This isn't that. It doesn't seem like Hazel intends on leaving the child in the Philippines while she creates a new and better life for herself. It wasn't his place to question her mothering or her choices. Fall back, dude.

Paul and Karine have no business getting married or having a baby. What happens if the phone kills over? How in the world will they communicate?

ETA: Ricky is a schmuck. Ximena probably really thinks she's the reason he flew there. Never mind that he waited 5 days to reach out, had an engagement ring for Plan A, and obviously made up a whole relationship with Melissa to get on the show. Why is TLC still following him? And it's not romantic when a man just shows up in your country unannounced, so that's still not doing it for me. Ximena is a pretty lady, and she looks natural. She seems to really be into Ricky. Hopefully, he'll come clean before they sleep together. Cut the I'm a whole gentleman act, Ricky. You bought three bottles of wine, rose petals, chocolate, and you invited her to stay in a one bedroom. After you showed her the bedroom, you did your worst suave impression. "Oh, I don't know where I'm going to sleep." *insert a vicious eye roll*

What's with these oh so trusting people? We've chatted on a dating website or through text, and I'm going to trust you enough to stay in an AIRBNB or hotel with you the first time we meet. I've seen a few too many Fatal Attraction episodes, Datelines, and ID channel to even think about that. 

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4 hours ago, JasonH said:

Big Ang has gone from a likable rube, to an angry, uncouth, aggressive/potentially violent dumb redneck American in just a few days. Poor Mah-Kull is in search of a fruitless endeavor if he thinks he can get her to quit smoking. She’s was none to happy that she needed to acclimate to a certain dress culture. In Nigeria.

Many times I wish the foreigner could come back while the American has to stay there.

That Maury clip showed what complete white trash that family is. She's a reality show whore and needs to go away. 

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Maybe an unpopular opinion but I think Karine is looking really rough this seen. Flat, dry hair. Oily greasy skin with acne. Noticeable weight gain. Dead sunken eyes. I think she needs to see a doctor and get some bloodwork done. I'd hate to see what she looks like next season. 

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4 hours ago, noveltylibrary said:

He made me sick when he texted if she'd like to have intimacy with him tonight  then "let's get to know each other".  He is such a loser!!

It's possible TLC was using some willful ignorance in the translation there. That's a direct translation, but it can also be inferred as something like..."let's know each other"...if you get my drift. I don't think Ricky thinks he's fooling anything with his aw-shucks-sheepish-I'm-such-a-gentleman act.

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13 minutes ago, thejuicer said:

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I think Karine is looking really rough this seen. Flat, dry hair. Oily greasy skin with acne. Noticeable weight gain. Dead sunken eyes. I think she needs to see a doctor and get some bloodwork done. I'd hate to see what she looks like next season. 

Practically every post about them mentions this.

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8 minutes ago, jackjill89 said:

That Maury clip showed what complete white trash that family is. She's a reality show whore and needs to go away. 

Yeah, I really resent TLC for choosing Angela to be on the show this season.  And Jesse and Darcey, too, for that matter.  Because as much as we all know as viewers that this show is made up of a lot of manufactured bullshit and smoke & mirrors, being made aware of Angela's Maury past, along with Darcey & Jesse's business arrangement to get on this show has totally and completely killed my buzz for watching.  Because I know for a fact that I am watching fake Bullshit Artists who just want to be famous when I watch their segments.  The biggest fakers that ever faked.  They have broken the fourth wall for me and I hate TLC for allowing them to do this.  This is the only reality tv show that I watch and I like to pretend to be blissfully ignorant to how real it actually it whilst watching.  Screw you, TLC, Angela, Darceeey and Jesseee.

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14 minutes ago, monagatuna said:
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He made me sick when he texted if she'd like to have intimacy with him tonight  then "let's get to know each other".  He is such a loser!!

It's possible TLC was using some willful ignorance in the translation there. That's a direct translation, but it can also be inferred as something like..."let's know each other"...if you get my drift.

Okay, I know just enough Spanish to get by and I have a fuzzy TV, but it looked to me like in the first message, he said something like "Quieres estar conmigo esta noche" and "estar" means "to be" so I read it literally as, "Do you want to be with me tonight" and figured he meant "Do you want to hang out with me tonight?"  But then he said he realized it meant something more intimate, so I assumed the "to be with me" has or can have a connotation of intimacy. 

Then the second message he sent, to correct it, used "conocer," which means to know each other, like "Conoces a Juan?" means "Do you know Juan?"  As in knowing him, not knowing him.  So he was trying to say, "Let's get to know each other" as a way to correct the intimacy that could be inferred from his previous message.

I guess I could see myself making the original mistake Ricky did, since my Spanish seems to be on about the same level as his, although there's no way I would ever realize the mistake I'd made with "estar conmigo" because I just wouldn't know that, so I'm a little suspicious that he somehow figured it out almost instantly.

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