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8 hours ago, mertensia said:

I still don't  understand why they just didn't recruit some homeless guys. 

Rationalization? Like they could rationalize (to themselves) they weren't killing/experimenting on innocent people?  Ultimately, these Doctors/Military people view themselves good guys/heroes. So they're doing good for humanity and, these killers are being given an opportunity to serve humanity and make amends.

I could also see politicans in Washington going, hey we have to look at the optics, experimenting on homeless people looks bad, experimenting on Death Row Inmates that were going to die anyway, well they deserve it!

I know it's a secret project but, if they succeeded with a cure for everything they're going to have to go public with some of it, which will result in questions.

At least, that's been my fanwank.

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Also because they'd know the medical histories of the inmates?  They wouldn't know how any unknown medical conditions of the homeless would affect the study?

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On 2/9/2019 at 7:09 AM, mertensia said:

As much as I'm really enjoying this show so far (and I do enjoy it a lot), the Virals' flashbacks remain the most baffling thing. The girl kills her mother and her piece of shit step-father in the heat of the moment, and she gets death sentence? 

This. I found the backstories of Babcock AND Carter to be severely lacking.  Yes, they both would have gotten serious jail time, probably even an unfair amount of time, but the death sentence? Naw. I just can't buy it. Plus, the fact that Shauna and her mother looked the same age in her flashbacks kept taking me out of the moment. I really wish they'd have used a younger actress.

As for Carter, I really felt like they cheaped out on his backstory. It's like they were afraid to give him an actual reason to be on death row other than making him the poor widdle victim. Puh-lease. There are plenty of black men behind bars and on death row because that's exactly where they belong. He would be much more compelling to me if he really had done a terrible thing, but was now remorseful because of what he actually did. Instead, they made him seem dimwitted and infantile. I mean really!  Between his dumb backstory and him passing cutesy crayon notes back and forth to Amy, I feel like they went the Green Mile route with him. I don't like it.

Speaking of things I don't like, these have to be the most incurious and incautious group of doctors and scientists ever! Yeah, they're totally going to unleash vampires onto the world. Lordt! The incompetence. Of course, if they were good at their jobs there wouldn't be a show, so whatever, I guess.

Still love the show, especially Amy and The Agent. She's such a smart little cookie. I love how she keeps finessing the adults around her. Also, when she and Brad were running and she blew past him? Yeah, she's feeling the effects of that vampire blood. She's mentally and now physically superior to those around her. I'm interested to see where they go with this.

All I need right now is for Brad and Amy to escape that compound and hook back up with Lacey. I need more Lacey. Just imagine Amy after Lacey takes her under her wing. Talk about formidable. Amy would be unstoppable.

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On 2/9/2019 at 7:57 AM, sigmaforce86 said:

Still loving this show although I have to admit I still don't know everyone's names, between the military, the virals, the doctors and the "good guys" there are a LOT of characters.

One thing I can't get around - that news story; so they killed the reporter but she didn't create that expose in a vacuum - she had a camera man, editors, producers approving the story and the people working the show that night must have known they were going to air her special report.  Did some secret government officials also steal and delete all record of the story, all the recordings and notes and threaten everyone who had any involvement with a nasty sort of "what happened to her can happen to you"?   It just seems like between the staff at multiple prisons and the staff behind and in front of the camera's at the TV station a LOT of people are now keeping the secret of the missing death row inmates. 

Yes, but you must make sure the person who decides what stories to run on air is convinced.

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On 2/5/2019 at 10:24 PM, xaxat said:

Does anyone remember the Michael Crichton movie/book Andromeda Strain? In the movie, scientist attempt to find the cure for a apocalyptic alien virus. Their base is buried underground, with only one exit and the fail safe is a nuclear bomb that will automatically explode (killing the virus and everyone else) if containment is breached.

Project Noah probably should have adopted that setup.

Andromeda was an airborne contagion. A lot of that would be overkill here.

What they really need are back up generators and batteries, better security, more frequent personnel rotations and UV floodlights everywhere.

And maybe tinfoil hats? (Does that block vampire telepathy?🙂)

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22 hours ago, Latverian Diplomat said:

Andromeda was an airborne contagion.

An airborne contagion that mutated to have a taste for plastic.  Ooops!!

Saniyya Sidney plays Kevin Hart's daughter on his Netflix "Guide to Black History".  It was supposedly made this year but she looks MUCH younger.

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S1.E6: How You Gonna Outrun The End of The World?

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With the sudden arrival of a high ranking official, Horace Guilder (guest star James Le Gros), to Project NOAH, Brad and Amy begin to strategize a possible escape plan with the help of an unlikely accomplice. Meanwhile, Sykes and Richards begin to question each other's motives, and a shaky past between Lear, Elizabeth (guest star Jennifer Ferrin), and Fanning is revealed.

Original air date: 2/11/19

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Amy barely suppressing a smile as she teases Brad reminds me of Bestie 1 who does the exact same thing. I love them. 

Director Guilder. Trying to weaponize vampires won’t work. I do think

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it’s smart to bring him in now rather than waiting till season 2. Better we have the foundation for the monster still to come. 

More backstory for Zero when he was Fanning. And none of it makes him less creepy. Again I think

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it’s smart to bring this in now than to wait until later in the story. The placement flows with the story more naturally.

Lacey taking Lila to her old convent. I’m serious on wanting a buddy cop movie for these two. I hope we get lots of Lacey/Lila time as

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it’s one of my favorite changes from the books. 

Sykes joining Team Amy! Yes! 

If memory serves (major book spoiler under the tag alert!)

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the vampire who turns Brad is part of Carter’s hive so them beginning that alliance was great to see. 

“What’s the worst that could happen in thirty seconds?” Are tv scientists not allowed to watch horror movies? Vampire Winston looks like a rougher Jason Sudeikis. 

No surprise that Lear isn’t infected. Better story if he stays human. Liked seeing him turn Zero’s ‘gotcha!’ back around on him. Elizabeth getting the virus was a twist. Grey is fully a Renfield now. 

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Damn, things are moving along quickly. Amy has some symptoms and can fight them off! She left the book behind. I hope she gets it back somehow. Brad and Amy's bond will never stop being poignant. I love Brad telling Amy that he is her family, confiding losing his daughter, getting her to tell him the truth, helping her ward off the vampires by telling her own stories, and then holding her as she passed out.

Carter! He is not lost to us! He still cares about Amy. So now that it is too late, Sykes decides to do the right thing. Richards is an ass, but at least he wasn't deluded about what the government would use Amy for.

Well done, show. I thought that Winston was going to break free and kill them all instead he set up the doctor and is now free.

Wow, Fanning with Lear's Elizabeth. I liked Lear telling Fanning that Elizabeth never loved him and that they repaired their marriage. Fanning didn't see that one coming. Now that is truly a soap opera starring Jennifer from ATWT.  Fanning going into to Elizabeth's confused mind was disturbing as hell. Now poor Elizabeth has been infected. Lear should have listened to her at the start.

I am enjoying Lila and Lacey's team up. You just know that Lacey will be taking out Lila's kidnapper.

The next episode looks really good based on the preview.

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There was a lot packed into this episode, but my favorite parts are still Brad and Amy. Brad is the one person in the facility who doesn't underestimate Amy's intelligence. And the scenes where they talk strategy are great. 

Lacey, Carter (I knew he did it for Amy!) and Brad as her protectors heading into the Apocalypse. Hard to imagine Amy doing better.

I wrote earlier that I couldn't wait for the asshole doctor to get eaten, but that was pretty brutal. 

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On 2/10/2019 at 9:27 AM, Morrigan2575 said:

Rationalization? Like they could rationalize (to themselves) they weren't killing/experimenting on innocent people?  Ultimately, these Doctors/Military people view themselves good guys/heroes. So they're doing good for humanity and, these killers are being given an opportunity to serve humanity and make amends.

It seems like kind of a bad plan to take a bunch of terrible criminals and turn them into vampires. In general, people who've committed crimes worthy of the death penalty don't have a problem killing others.

Maybe they should have turned some do gooders into vampires and see if they are just as willing to kill people.  Maybe nice vampires could learn to control their symptoms? Of course, it is still not fair to turn any of them into vampires.

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39 minutes ago, xaxat said:

I wrote earlier that I couldn't wait for the asshole doctor to get eaten, but that was pretty brutal. 

It was, but I didn't have much sympathy for him. I feel for Amy, Brad, the caretaker, and the rest of humans are going to be destroyed by their hubris.

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What can I say, I've fallen madly in love with this show! ITA with everyone about the relationship between Brad and Amy. Just a few things about this episode:

I loved how the show demonstrates what the person experiences when the vampires use their psychic powers to invade their consciousness. Really good job at demonstrating how terrifying and disorienting that would be, especially never knowing when one of them is going to pop into your head or what messed up shit they're going to tell you.

Anyone else think that it was really sketchy that Sykes seemed to be taking her sweet time getting back to Amy and Brad? I mean, you left them in the equivalent of a meat locker FOREVER! Too funny when Amy said that, among the other crazy stuff she can do, she can sit in a refrigerator without getting cold!

Even though I absolutely could not stand that arrogant, pompous asshole Dr. Pet and gleefully looked forward to him being dispatched, I was surprised to actually feel a bit sorry for him. For a so-called self anointed genius, how did he not figure out that he had just been totally played by Winston!? Then, to return to the lab alone saying "It's just you and me" was beyond stupid. That whole scene with Winston toying with him gave me the creeps especially when Winston said something to the effect of "Betcha sorry you came in here alone" and I loved every second of it.

That's just a few things I adored about tonight's episode. Overall, I am praying that FOX will hang in there with this series and not break my heart like the suits at NBC who canceled Midnight Texas. Hate them.

BTW, could someone here please fill me in on Lacey? I unfortunately I missed the episode that had Unicorn in the title and I'm afraid I missed a lot of background about her character, how exactly she fits in and, her relationship with Lila. Thanks.

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4 minutes ago, DC Gal in VA said:

BTW, could someone here please fill me in on Lacey? I unfortunately I missed the episode that had Unicorn in the title and I'm afraid I missed a lot of background about her character, how exactly she fits in and, her relationship with Lila. Thanks.

Lacey knows Lila through Brad.  She knows Brad from when they were both in the military.  Before that she was a nun and that's why she and Lila went to her old convent to stay and regroup.

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7 minutes ago, scarynikki12 said:

Lacey knows Lila through Brad.  She knows Brad from when they were both in the military.  Before that she was a nun and that's why she and Lila went to her old convent to stay and regroup.

Thanks so much scarynikki12. I haven't read any of the books and often find myself getting a little lost trying to keep up with all of the characters and how they fit in the storyline.

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On 1/31/2019 at 3:52 PM, scarynikki12 said:

@CrazyDog my theory is that the show will

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move into split storytelling. That will allow them to bring in Peter, Alicia, Sara, etc. without having to give up Amy and Brad. My guess is we’ll see more of Year of Zero and when it’s time to start aging Amy we’ll be invested in Peter and co. and the changes won’t be so jarring. 

Apparently

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there is no Lish or Peter or Sara in the tv series. Which sucks.

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What I really love about this show is that I feel like it could be easy for the characters to be basically walking plot devices with little character or warmth to them, or the only character trait that anyone gets is angst and manufactured drama. But this show has already spent a lot of time giving the characters real personalities and hopes and dreams and allows for moments of levity and sweetness in between all of the drama and the horror movie stuff. 

As usual, I cant get enough of the bond between Brad and Amy, its just so precious and lovable. The bit where she tells him his heart is going too fast "which isnt healthy at your age." And his response with "How old do you think I am...dont answer that" was all so cute and natural, their relationship and the obvious warmth between them adds so much humanity to this story filled with horror and bloodshed. I love how seriously he takes her and her intelligence, and how much she cares about and understands him, even after only a few weeks. 

Carter is still with us! He might have given into the blood, but he still cares about Amy, and is still trying to help them escape, and still has happy memories of his family and home. If he can stave off the evil of his increasing vampirism, he could be a great person to have on Amy and Brads side as things keep getting worse. 

I figured that Doctor Nicole would turn on this project eventually, and the asshole military guy showing up pushed her over the edge to finally tell them to fuck off. She was able to justify all of this, even experimenting on a child, by saying that it was for a greater good and save lives from a horrible illness, but knowing that she was now just creating a weapon and endangering a child for the purpose of using her for destruction, that was too much. 

Poor Lear and his poor Elizabeth. Fanning in Elizabeth's mind trying to manipulate her, especially knowing that he had a thing for her when he was still a normal guy, was super creepy. Oh, Fanning was pissed when he found out that Lear and Elizabeth had talked about what happened between them, and had moved on. It might be the first time we saw him really lose his cool so far. He does NOT like knowing he wasnt first choice. 

I knew asshole Doctor Guy was doomed (I mean, has this guy never seen a horror movie, ever?) but that was seriously nasty. Ouch. 

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Brad: When we were up in that treehouse, I saw that there's a door outside the mess hall.
Amy: The cooks prop it open to smoke. Smoking's gross.
Brad: It is. Never do it. So they probably disabled the alarm on that door which means-
Amy: We use it to sneak out. Then what? We're just standing outside.
Brad: Use that brain.
Amy: That slimy old pipe on the edge of the lawn.
Brad: It's not slimy and it's not a pipe. It's a drainage tunnel, probably been out of service for years. It'll take us out of here.
Amy: What about spiders?
Brad: There are no spiders.
Amy: Brown widows. You're thinking about them right now - the webs getting in your mouth and your face while you're crawling through that slimy tunnel.

Horace: Scientific discoveries are made all the time by accident. Viagra was developed as a heart medication.
Nichole: What a breathtakingly inappropriate analogy.

Brad: The kitchen's going to be empty soon. To get to the open door-
Amy: Down the hall, door's on the right. You've said it a hundred times.
Brad: I literally haven't said it once. Amy, are you reading my mind? What am I thinking right now?
Amy: Baseball, 26, blue.

Lacey: We need a place to stay. We're in trouble.
Sister: This is a convent, not a hotel, Lacey.

Fanning: I'm not just a scientist. Technically I'm a genius.

Winston: Precuneus. What kind of dirty word is that?

Amy: It's just one of the weird things I can do. I can run fast, read minds, and I can stay in a refrigerator without a coat.

Horace: Well, up close [Winston] looks as harmless as a serial killer.

Brad: You good?
Amy: It's you I'm worried about. Your heart's pounding. That's not good at your age.
Brad: How old do you think I am? Don't answer that.

Daniel: You weren't like this before.
Winston: Well, you can tell a lot about a person when you let them think they're more powerful than you are.

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Am I a total sap because I hope that Nichole finds Amy's copy of A Wrinkle in Time and eventually gives it back to her?

RIP Dr. Pat, you arrogant moron.

While I am glad that Carter is Team Amy and told Brad that his job is to help her, it would have been nice if he could have been a little more specific, especially since he seems to know what's coming.

As usual, my favorite part of this episode was Brad and Amy. I love how their relationship is developing. The big brotherly way he tapped her forehead and told her to "use that brain" to figure out what the next step was and the way he told her that he is her family now made me go awwwww.

So Fanning has spent all these years thinking that Elizabeth was secretly in love with him? I had to laugh when Jonas said she'd already told him what happened with Fanning and they worked through it, but it also made me think that Jonas should stop poking the mind controlling vampire.

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The totally awesome thing about this series is that the assholes are getting bitten.  In a lot of series that I watch the assholes get to act like assholes for a very long time.  Not this series.

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This show is still so good. The relationship between Brad and Amy is definitely the heart of it. See writers a show can good without love interests as long as you write interesting characters. 

So Amy has super speed, telepathy, temperature control and a sonic scream. What other powers will she get and is she stronger than the others?

Dr. Pet was really too arrogant to live. I could tell from the beginning Winston was playing him. The wave should've tipped him off. He kind of deserved what happened to him by wanting to help the Government use an unstable and failed experiment as a weapon. 

I'm glad Nicole finally realized that she needed to help Amy. Although how long was she going to leave them in the freezer. Also glad that Carter is still in there and wants to help Amy. 

I know Babcock's a bad vampire but I kind of like her for messing with Clark. Her and Fanning are probably the most dangerous of then the other virals since they were manipulative before turning. I also get protecting your marriage Leer but don't poke the bear (vampire). 

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I appreciate that when Amy asked why Brad cared so much.. He was honest and it wasn't a sticking point.. Other shows may have used that moment for him to be less than honest only for her to read him and feel some kind a way as a replacement for his dead kid... Not saying that might not pop up later.. And it might but I have a feeling if it does it'll feel more organic to where the story is at the time... Now it would been a cheap and easy point of contention and drama 

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I really love how the characters on this show (surprisingly) have some layers. The show is moving right along, but as others have said, they've given a lot of the characters some real depth. I'd like to know more about Sykes and how she came to Project Noah, so hopefully she makes it out at some point and we get some more backstory on her.

Poor Lear...for him to be reunited briefly with Elizabeth before she goes all ARRRR is seriously an evil twist. I love to hate Fanning, and the actor is really compelling on screen.

Amy and Brad...I still just love them. Of course he's proving Babcock wrong, when she told Amy he would have a hard time with everything, He will be loyal to Amy no matter what.

So someone kidnapped Lila? I kind of love that if they have to go that cliched route with the ex-wife/love interest, that it will probably be Lacey riding into save her, lol. 

Aww, Carter's mom and his memories. That was truly sad, and I am glad that they aren't just dropping Brad's role in everything, He has to be carrying some major guilt. Same with Dr. Sykes and Lear. They aren't innocent in all of this. I kind of had to roll my eyes when she was saying goodbye to Amy...yes, Amy is special all in her own right, because she's smart, and tough, and funny, but she's now EXTRA special and in danger because of the virus Sykes gave her, lol. Maybe a wee apology to Amy would have been nice. 

What's up with Richards? Is Babcock still actually controlling him a little, or is he just too stubborn and proud to admit to Sykes that Babcock got to him? I wonder if he'll swing to the dark side, but still end up getting redemption. I don't think he's all bad.

The head bad guy was really cartoonish, but still creepy. 

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This show is still very good. Amy and Brad's dynamic is so good. I'm glad Dr Sykes is helping them now, I had a feeling she would come around. Fanning is still creepy and a great villain, Lacey is still awesome. I have no idea what tptb have in store for Brad's ex, she's so disconnected from the show. 

I have a feeling Amy is going to be able to control the rest of the vampires. I think Babcock will turn Clark.

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Just wanted to add that I am quite happy that I haven't read any of the books. I like the weekly revelations about each character, their backgrounds and relationships with each other and the storyline overall, unencumbered by where the show gets it "wrong" when it deviates from the books as regards to the plot or any changes to how the characters are portrayed.

@ElectricBoogaloo -- now there's a phrase that I haven't heard for a long time -- loved your choices of the show's dialogue, giving credit to the excellent writing on this show. In particular, I really liked this selection:

Daniel: You weren't like this before.
Winston: Well, you can tell a lot about a person when you let them think they're more powerful than you are.

That exchange was so chilling, not just for the show, but also for the profound truth of it in real life.

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Richards is an ass. I hope Nicole doesn't forgive him or go back to that loser. Is his ego so much that he doesn't want to admit that Babcock has been messing with him? Even though what Nicole was doing was unethical and getting Amy on board was horrible, I'm glad that she's still human underneath that lab coat. I wonder why the other vampires didn't mess with her. I'm curious to see what she'll do when she meets Babcock. Hopefully she breaks out and goes to Brad and Amy.

If that happens, I hope the show doesn't put Nicole and Brad together and then Richards getting angry over that when he's with Babcock later. We might get another Fanning if that happens.

Daniel dying is okay with me, because he was stupid too. Plus, it allowed us to finally meet Winston who, while a horrible human being, is also quite delightful. A great manipulator too. It was obvious that he was in control the entire time, but like he said, he likes making himself look powerless in front of people to see what they would do.

Putting him with the overachieving scientist was a recipe for disaster and you could tell that Winston loved every moment. I did too...Is it wrong that I hope we see more from him?

I was missing Carter and then he showed up. He looked menacing when talking to Brad, especially when he got up, but then his lips started to quiver and my heart broke for him all over again. I need him to be okay. I really need him to be okay and at peace.

So far we've seen the vampires control at least three (four if you count Richards) people at the facility and instead of doing something about it, they want to weaponize them. Is it sad that this isn't hard to believe?

I'm still loving the show, can't wait to see what happens next.

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I look forward to Lacey's reunion with Amy and Brad, though I still don't have much confidence in her survival.  Amy and Lacey's interaction (however brief) are just as good as Brad and Amy's. Brad and Lacey were pretty entertaining together as well.  Also interested in Carter's angle.  

I'm sure Lila will be rescued (likely by Lacey), but I'd be okay if she's not seen again. I just don't care about the character, but if she's in the mix with the aforementioned three, it's fine. I'm not sure why I'm so annoyed on behalf of the guy she was supposed to marry, someone we've never even seen on screen nor heard about after the pilot.  But I am.    

I assumed that Fanning's memories of Elizabeth were of the unreliable narrator type, so I was surprised with Lear's confirmation.  

Elizabeth certainly recovered quickly, but whatever.  I didn't think she was anywhere near that campus, and it didn't register even when Fanning approached her telepathically.  I thought it was an example of how powerful he'd become (he can reach out to someone miles away!), and it was, only not in a way I expected. 

I like Sykes, so hope she comes out of this alive. But I don't know how much we'll see of her moving forward. She doesn't organically fit into the main relationship dynamics, but the actress really sold the "I really thought I was doing this for a greater good" perspective so I'm still rooting for her. 

The Richards actor has that perpetual "smell a fart" performance style, so he can expire at any time. 

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2 hours ago, ribboninthesky1 said:

I'm sure Lila will be rescued (likely by Lacey), but I'd be okay if she's not seen again. I just don't care about the character, but if she's in the mix with the aforementioned three, it's fine. I'm not sure why I'm so annoyed on behalf of the guy she was supposed to marry, someone we've never even seen on screen nor heard about after the pilot.  But I am.

Yeah, it's a weird plot that has been dropped. She's a recurring but minor character so far, but I assume if she gets a bigger role, or is reunited with Brad, that they'll address it then. But even a throwaway line to Lacey about leaving her fiance (who she apparently loved enough to marry and want kids with) and her important job at the hospital would have gone a long way. I wonder if some lines or a scene got cut somewhere. 

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On 2/12/2019 at 4:36 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

So Fanning has spent all these years thinking that Elizabeth was secretly in love with him? I had to laugh when Jonas said she'd already told him what happened with Fanning and they worked through it, but it also made me think that Jonas should stop poking the mind controlling vampire. 

I.Loved.This^^^^. Oh, Fanning just KNEW he was dropping a bombshell on Lear, only to have Lear basically tell him, 'Oh, that? Yeah, I know. Liz told me. No biggie'. It was delicious.

11 hours ago, ribboninthesky1 said:

I look forward to Lacey's reunion with Amy and Brad, though I still don't have much confidence in her survival.  Amy and Lacey's interaction (however brief) are just as good as Brad and Amy's. Brad and Lacey were pretty entertaining together as well. 

Me too! I want this so bad. I also want Lacey to survive a long time. She's such an interesting character.

12 hours ago, ribboninthesky1 said:

I like Sykes, so hope she comes out of this alive. But I don't know how much we'll see of her moving forward. She doesn't organically fit into the main relationship dynamics, but the actress really sold the "I really thought I was doing this for a greater good" perspective so I'm still rooting for her. 

Yep. Agree with this as well.

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On 2/12/2019 at 1:27 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Amy: That slimy old pipe on the edge of the lawn.
Brad: It's not slimy and it's not a pipe. It's a drainage tunnel, probably been out of service for years. It'll take us out of here.
Amy: What about spiders?
Brad: There are no spiders.
Amy: Brown widows. You're thinking about them right now - the webs getting in your mouth and your face while you're crawling through that slimy tunnel.

That was hilarious, especially with Amy's deadpan face as she talked bout the "brown widow" spiders (a terrifying cross between black widows and brown recluses!).

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