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24 minutes ago, AmyBre said:

He said I didn't know this was going to be antagonistic. 

Really, Smilin' Chris, So what did you think was going to happen. Couple rounds of shots, few games of pool, then you flip a coin to see who gets Abby first? 

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I think it's possible the mugging was very real but then they overdubbed her later talking about the place being dangerous, or something like that.

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Ok, Paul is legitimately unhinged. Dropping a bombshell on this girl about your criminal past and then immediately and literally running away into the woods. He had crazy eyes when he was begging her not to let him jump into that water. He needs help, she needs to go home. 

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11 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

I don't think Antonio wants marriage, a green card or to come to the US.

This is what I'm not getting this season? Why would guys like Antonio or Jesse want a rushed marriage for a green card or to even come live in the States?  They're just in it for the tv exposure surely?  

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Paul is living proof TLC needs to conduct psych evals and background checks before agreeing to film people for this show.  Perhaps if he wasn't on the show, he wouldn't have gone and Karine would have been saved from the insanity.  Omg. What a freaking disaster!! 

Abby and two old dudes...I don't even know what to think.  But Sean, you are being played my friend.  Get a clue! 

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8 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

This is what I'm not getting this season? Why would guys like Antonio or Jesse want a rushed marriage for a green card or to even come live in the States?  They're just in it for the tv exposure surely?  

I think the whole relationship if you can even call it that,exists in the mind of Courtney alone. Likely that she and Antonio were doing some sexy talk online and she wanted to be with him so she applied for 90 day fiance . My guess is she works a job where she can't afford to be flying to Spain, so tlc paid the way. Antonio was like ok, I get to get laid and get exposure for my modeling career  so I'm in. 

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How many different ways did Chris have to say, "If the cameras weren't here, you'd be giving me (act #1) or (act #2) right here in the car?" He seemed so juvenile. I did respect his walking out on Sean's hissy fit, and I did not respect Sean's dressing down Abby as if she were his teenage daughter. He gives me the creeps, but I do wish for his sake he'd just get on the next plane.   

I'm getting tired of Paul's whiny accent. He makes Jethro Clampett sounds like Lawrence Olivier. I doubt Paul is smart enough to plan laying his criminal past on Karine after he'd given her a taste of his creepin' crawlin' mojo. C'mon, baby, light my fire! However, having a criminal past is one of the things a person should tell someone EARLY in dating! (Same thing if you want a NON-DRINKER, I'm looking at YOU, Jesse.) And does Paul even work, with his record? Probably lives off Mom. My unqualified opinion is that when he gets close to a woman, his pathological self-hatred and Mommy issues emerge. Karine may cry for a day or two but she'll be lucky if she doesn't check into this Bates Motel.  

Cortney--all she does is whine and criticize him, trying endlessly to find ways to blame him for her bad choice in coming over there and expecting the Romance of the Century. Are "blondes" with "clear eyes" really worth it? I guess for a shag or two, but the droning on gets tedious fast, especially when English is such a struggle. Announcing loudly in the restaurant, "I'm going to go to the bathroom"--way to keep it classy, Corts!

Darcey--the talking-to by Elderly Gloria Bunker (i.e., Mom) seems to have sunk in, since D. said several times this epi that "we're getting to know each other," instead of "when are you gonna propose?" 

A lot of these stories give me a sense of how many people there are who are deeply damaged in some way, or even mentally unbalanced, and rely on fantasy romances to fix themselves and their lives.

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1 hour ago, PityFree said:

Nice of Paul to say something AFTER he slept with her!! Ass.

It's Paul. You can't be surprised. Neurotic, nerdy asshole is who he is.

I was right. Abby has scabies, per Dr Chris.  

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Um, Paul... of course no woman wants to stay with you after your big reveal if you yell "I'm no good for you" and run away into the woods like a loon.  I wonder how many times he's slept with a woman and then revealed this big secret, then had a breakdown. Yikes.

In all seriousness, he needs help. I agree, TLC needs to do some better psych evals. This is just sad.

I have, unfortunately, had scabies. They are horrible. You have to put two treatments of what is basically pesticide from head to toe on your body one week apart. You can't wash the cream off for hours. Yuck. They itch like crazy and there is a phantom itch for weeks afterwards. Just yuck. I either got them from a hospital stay or from school. Each place insisted it had to be from the other. I was horrified to have them. 

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9 hours ago, Tuneful said:

How many different ways did Chris have to say, "If the cameras weren't here, you'd be giving me (act #1) or (act #2) right here in the car?" He seemed so juvenile. I did respect his walking out on Sean's hissy fit, and I did not respect Sean's dressing down Abby as if she were his teenage daughter. He gives me the creeps, but I do wish for his sake he'd just get on the next plane.   

I'm getting tired of Paul's whiny accent. He makes Jethro Clampett sounds like Lawrence Olivier. I doubt Paul is smart enough to plan laying his criminal past on Karine after he'd given her some of his mojo. C'mon, baby, light my fire! Having a criminal past is one of the things a person should tell someone EARLY in dating! (Same thing if you want a NON-DRINKER, Imma looking at YOU, Jesse.) And does Paul even work, with his record? Probably lives off Mom. My unqualified opinion is that when he gets close to a woman, his pathological self-hatred and Mommy issues emerge. Karine may cry for a day or two but she'll be lucky if she doesn't check into this Bates Motel.  

Spot on call.  Chris seems like a sleaze ball and he can get skank ass Abby to do what he wants, when he wants.  She's a liar and she's manipulative, but one thing is for sure she wants to be with her grandpa Chris.

I'm just getting tired of Paul.  It's not even fun to make fun of him anymore; it's just too easy.  Poor Karine better stay put in the rainforest. Once his nasty aas gets her in the U.S. she might end up in a wood chipper behind momma Paul's house.

Jesse is a control freak.  Stop drinking?  Yeah, good luck with that.

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Darcy looks so much better without the makeup and eyelashes. And younger too. 

Never drink again?  Are you kidding me?  Darcy had some wine. So what?  Goodbye, asshole. 

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This episode was so great. I wish it was two hours long. 

Paul is a psycho and karine needs to stay far, far away. I feel so bad for her that she invested so much time into this guy and had her hopes of coming to America and then it was all dashed when she realized he is a creep. 

Abby is disgusting. She obviously loves Chris and is using Sean to get Chris jealous and force him to commit. I was so proud of Sean for seeing through their lies and calling them on it. And then they showed the preview for next week where he is contemplating proposing. Idiot. You know that if you marry her she still won't be your wife. She will always hold her phone close and be texting Chris and meeting up with Chris. I hope Sean walks away and leaves her there. 

Courtney is pathetic. I kept yelling at the TV during her segments. I mean she is so needy and insecure. Who flies across the world to meet someone they just started talking to online? And then the whole time she is there she is angry about everything he does. Get a clue courtney... you aren't in a relationship. He doesn't want one. He was messaging you stuff about babies because he thought that is what you wanted to hear. He doesn't even like you that much. Just go home. And when you get home please give up relationships until you have matured a little more. 

Jesse has issues with alcohol. He should have communicated that before if it was a deal breaker. Darcy should just find someone her own age and move on. 

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Doofus ass Courtney AKA Gumby irritates the living shit out of me.  She tries so hard and in the process runs ass watcher Antonio away.  She should be embarrassed for making herself look so bad in front of the entire world.

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12 minutes ago, Kea said:

This episode was so great. I wish it was two hours long. 

YESSSS! They got our hopes up when the episode wasn't over right at 9PM...bastards. They ended it at like 9:07. 

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11 minutes ago, Liamsmom617 said:

YESSSS! They got our hopes up when the episode wasn't over right at 9PM...bastards. They ended it at like 9:07. 

In my case, 7:07 pm.

No Green Card is worth it for some of these people, unless they are smart enough to document *everything* and then get out when they can. Some of these folks are playing with people's lives. Karine needs to run - or go to her father, who has police connections, and get Paul checked out by the cops or their Interpol or FBI connections. Unless Paul is getting some good counselling/mental help, stay away.

Abby, you are 20 years old. One older dude just likes having you around as his toy, and the other misguidedly sees something in you and wants to give you a better life in the US - but at a price. Both are unsuitable.

Jesse wouldn't like me, either.  I like an occasional glass of wine and some brandy/cognac. You want an alcohol-free person? Put that in your dating profile.

Have no idea why he or Antonio are on this show other than to get some TV exposure/publicity.

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Oy....Paul is a clusterfuck of crazy. I feel bad for Karine. She opened up to this guy, trusted him, and then, he sleeps with her and reveals AFTER that he has an extensive criminal record that involved jail and prison stints. Including an 18 month bid for God knows what. Then, he runs off like a little bitch to prove how manipulative he really is and leaves her to chase after him. What really pissed me off was she had already said it wasn't the safest area, and he runs off to go commit suicide and show the world the full magnitude of his obvious issues. Run, girl, run. If that mugging was real, I feel bad for her. Mobile robberies occur frequently, and sometimes it happens when a person is on it. They steal the phone and then get money for it. I can't imagine how scary that is. Can Karine's father please go hunt down Paul for not protecting his daughter and being a bloody loony toon. 

Abby and the two old dudes. Chris skeeves me TF out. You met her in a known sex industry hot spot. I don't believe she's 20. How old was she when they met? She's one of those that I class under good enough to smash but not good enough to take home to mummy or put a ring on it. Chris will never commit to her, but she's head over heels in love with him. I felt bad for Sean because it has to suck when you get your heartbroken, and you're dealing with someone like Abby who has not a care in the world about crushing you. Don't propose to her. Just go home and heal. That bird isn't worth it. Abby deserves that creepy dude who was implying things that made me feel like I had scabies. The way he kept asking about the cameras and microphones. Eww.

Corny is the most insecure non-girlfriend I've ever seen. You complain about everything he does. He hasn't committed to you. I don't think he even likes her a little bit. She has this fairy tale notion, and she needs to grow up. Girl, this isn't a scene from Enchanted where you bust out into a verse singing, "I've been dreaming of a true love's kiss....," and he picks up and finishes the lyric. She needs to go solo for the remainder of the trip. It's not going to end in a proposal, so I don't know why TLC is wasting their time on these two.

Darcey looks so much better without the make-up, eyelashes, and chokers. I figured there was something underneath that war paint.

Are we going to see "Yes-Love" and Larry, Patrick and Myriam, etc. next week? Is there going to be a reunion? I know the next season of 90DF starts next Sunday after this airs.

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There will be more episodes of this show (Before the 90 Days) and in addition, the mothership show (90 Day Fiance) will return next week.

Separate shows, separate forums. 

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46 minutes ago, Kea said:

Abby is disgusting. She obviously loves Chris and is using Sean to get Chris jealous and force him to commit. I was so proud of Sean for seeing through their lies and calling them on it. And then they showed the preview for next week where he is contemplating proposing. Idiot. You know that if you marry her she still won't be your wife. She will always hold her phone close and be texting Chris and meeting up with Chris. I hope Sean walks away and leaves her there. 

 

Abby is not using Sean to make Chris jealous.  Abby already knows that Chris loves her, but will never marry her.  Chris knows a marriage would never work.

Everyone seems to hate Chris, but he seems like the only adult out of the 3.  He is the only one getting what he wants.  I'm sure he only came to Haiti to help out Abby with getting her green card. 

1 hour ago, poeticlicensed said:

I think the whole relationship if you can even call it that,exists in the mind of Courtney alone. Likely that she and Antonio were doing some sexy talk online and she wanted to be with him so she applied for 90 day fiance . My guess is she works a job where she can't afford to be flying to Spain, so tlc paid the way. Antonio was like ok, I get to get laid and get exposure for my modeling career  so I'm in. 

I believe our that Corny was not texting with the real Antonio, but he agreed to be on the show.  

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1 hour ago, Mambo Gladys said:

Sean: Single and scabied. 

I feel like this could be a whole reality show genre:

Scabied and Afraid

The Scabies House

Scabied at First Sight

Finding Prince Scabies

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2 hours ago, ThinkerBell said:

Paul running into the forest reminded me so much of the Fragile Frankie Merman episode of Seinfeld where Jerry's anxious childhood friend had a strange habit of running into the woods, digging a hole, and crying for hours whenever he felt overwhelmed.

"The summer me."

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3 hours ago, PityFree said:

Nice of Paul to say something AFTER he slept with her!! Ass.

He learned what most do when they are in prison for any length of time: how to be a complete con artist to get what he wants.  He wanted that foreign snatch, he snatched it, and then the truth comes out.  I think his fire-starting ass should be rearrested just for that.

There is also a very sexual component to arson, but we can talk about that later.

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1 hour ago, Pondlass1 said:

This is what I'm not getting this season? Why would guys like Antonio or Jesse want a rushed marriage for a green card or to even come live in the States?  They're just in it for the tv exposure surely?  

They  actually wanted to show the flip side of the coin which is everybody not coming from a developing country and trying to use a nice American guy or woman to escape from poverty as fast as possible, and I personally think it's  a good thing. You would be surprised how many Europeans want to live in the States. Maybe not in Sandusky, Ohio. But still.

Antonio wouldn't say no if he had a chance to pursue his "career " across the Atlantic What modeling career will he achieve in Malaga? He's still living in a student apartment at 40years old (sorry 31). Nothing to lose!

All of them met on a dating website or Instagram before the American decided it would be fun to appear on a TV show. They said yes for whatever reason, included the show is not broadcast in their own countries. I'm pretty sure no one knows about Miriam in France.

Some of them obviously did not plan on moving to the US (Miriam). Some others I think are not opposed to the general idea but are not in a rush like Karine and Jenny are. It's like why not. And if it doesn't work, well too bad. There will be someone else. Karine doesn't have the luxury to wait for another man to come to some remote town for her.

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On 10/1/2017 at 8:57 PM, islandgal140 said:

Darcy? When the man you are begging to propose turns into the AA sponsor you never asked for nor wanted - RUN!

For the first time, I thought I actually saw some sense kicking in with Darcy. It's like she woke-up from her denial dream and realized that she'd been on lockdown this whole time. When Jesse gave her that uncalled-for (as far as we can see, here) ultimatum of no drinking, I was rooting for her to shut him down. Argh. 

On 10/1/2017 at 8:57 PM, islandgal140 said:

Scabby

Haha! I am dying! 

I feel bad for Sean. I can't believe he is shown wavering next week. On a side note: Did it ever seem odd to him that a 20year-old would have an ex-boyfriend in his sixties? That right there would raise a red flag. Maybe it would feel a bit hypocritical, given their own  20-year+ age difference. They're all gross. 

I don't think the mugging was staged. If it was, I don't think Karine was in on it. That poor girl. I hope Paul falls into a school of penis fish!

Corny is a silly girl. Antonio is not interested in jumping through your ridiculous hoops. He's only playing along for the cameras. Still, I'm surprised he didn't tell her off when she asked him if he was in porn. 

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Of course, Jesse didn't mean no alcohol at all but not too much alcohol. And I noticed how difficult it was for her to consider drinking less.

There's a difference between an occasional glass of wine and running through the bushes in the middle of the night.

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8 minutes ago, Bibi said:

Of course, Jesse didn't mean no alcohol at all but not too much alcohol.

I didn't get that.  He repeated the "no drinking" often enough.

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10 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

I didn't get that.  He repeated the "no drinking" often enough.

Yeah, last week it was "I don't mind if she has a small glass of wine." This episode he gave her the never drink again ultimatum.

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3 hours ago, Morgalisa said:

 

Paul saying over and over, please dont let me jump

 

He said, "Don't let me go in this water," like he was praying not to fall in. I didn't read this as a suicide attempt. He was definitely not rational, and seemed self-destructive, but he did take the time to pull his stupid hood up. 

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36 minutes ago, MrHufflepuff said:

I can't speak for everyone in this thread, but I'd like to hear more about Paul's sex-arson now.

Yes please elaborate!

 

STDpregnacyArson is my band name by the way. 

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Anyone remember Eugene Levy's character in "Best in Show"?  He's the guy with two left feet...literally.  I think if he were ever in a snit and had to run into the jungle, he'd run just like Paul.

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44 minutes ago, 7isBlue said:

Still, I'm surprised he didn't tell her off when she asked him if he was in porn. 

Watch again, he made a lot of faces that meant "are you stupid or what?"

39 minutes ago, Bibi said:

Of course, Jesse didn't mean no alcohol at all but not too much alcohol. And I noticed how difficult it was for her to consider drinking less.

There's a difference between an occasional glass of wine and running through the bushes in the middle of the night.

I too suspect that Darcey drinks more than what was shown.

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Paul was giving his soliloquy and I noticed my wife and I were very quiet because we were both reading his subtitles like he was foreign born. He can slur four words into one and is impossible to understand. I hope his translator app works for English to English. 

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I thought Jesse was being really harsh and rigid about the drinking and how I would be insulted if someone told me I had to agree to never drink again or our relationship was over. In that tone. Everything about that tone made me scream "NOPE."

And then I remembered that Darcey was a belligerent drunken asshole who cried, mocked Jesse, and then ran off into the night, ignoring his phone calls and him yelling for her in the dark, surely disturbing the neighbors. Embarrassing. And, to be honest, that would be a deal breaker for me as well. It wouldn't even be a "stop now or we're finished" conversation, it would be a "pack your shit, we're done" conversation.

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1 hour ago, Dobian said:

I was hoping Karine would catch up with Paul while he was being eaten by a crocodile, that would have made this the best episode ever. 

You called?

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The dramatic scene between Darcy and Jesse was accompanied by tinkly piano music. As though, we, the gullible viewers,  needed reassurance that this dopey duo is real as real can be, and that Dutch truly CARES about Weirdass Lady on her fiftieth reality show.  I couldn't stop laughing.

Yes, Karine's hair alternated up and down throughout the thorny-briars scene of suicide prevention..  Come on! Try to show a smidge of respect for your viewers, TLC!

Paul?    Could it be that he is truly as manipulative as he came across tonight?  He decides to tell Karine that he's a bad person the day after they have sex? Then be ruuuuuunnnns away like a widdle wabbit? Where did he think  he was running to?  At first, I thought it was a machination to get Karine to say that she didn't care about his past.  But, no, I think he was saying he was finished with her?   STDegnancytess [sic] be damned?!

The mugging was staged, IMO.  I was thinking maybe Karine didn't know it was staged because she did seem upset.  However, she also did a good acting job in the suicide-prevention scene where her hair was a bun/down/a bun, so maybe she's Meryl Streep.

I would like to personally thank Paul for giving me some of the biggest laughs EVER!  Paul has been a constant source of hilarity in every episode he's appeared in.  The Classic episode with the penis-sheath-water-shoes-poop-water-romantic-interlude will remain forever in my heart.

I don't think Paul is mentally ill, or stupid, or clueless.  On the contrary, I think it's possible he is an honest-to-God, sociopathic con man-bad guy.

A real-life Keyser Soze?  I can picture, that once the TLC cameras switched off, Paul straightened up his pigeon-toed alligator walk, reached in and ripped off his penis sheath, then lit up a Marlboro.  So long, suckers!

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Courtney is a pain in the ass. Get a clue, girl. She probably invited herself to Spain and Antonio figured he would have some fun with the cute American for a few days, then send her on her way.  That's it. 

I get the feeling Darcy agreed to not drink anymore just to shut Jesse up. If it was important to Jesse, wouldn't he have told her that from the beginning that he didn't drink and was looking for the same? Hey, Darcy, pot is legal in Amsterdam. Just substitute. I bet Jesse doesn't have a problem with that. 

20 year old Abbey is madly in love with 64 year old butt ugly Chris. Not buying it. Something is up with that shady bitch. Chris must be sending her money in exchange for her dropping everything every time he comes to the DR and that's why she doesn't want to let him go. I just can't figure out why she's dragging Sean in to her mess. 

Paul and Karine- I also noticed the inconsistencies with the hair up in a bun, then down, then up again, the color changing from red, then brown. That was all manufactured for the camera. How many takes did they have to do before the director said "That's a wrap"!

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Pyrophillia involves sexual satisfaction from starting fires, talking about fires, observing fires as they burn, and especially observing fires that they themselves set.

In essence, they set their fire, go to a safe location to watch their handiwork, and they masturbate.

One very distressing example of this was the Our Lady of Angels school fire in Chicago in December 1958.  It was set by a student, Philip (Decker) Presti, who had a long history of setting fires.  The one he set that day killed nearly 100 people in the school: several nuns and many, many children who were trapped in the flames. When he was eventually questioned about his crime (he was never actually accused, due to connections his family had in Chicago), he was left alone in the interrogation room for a stint and was secretly observed.  Phillip had the photos that were taken as the school burned, and he was masturbating furiously.

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2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

20 year old Abbey is madly in love with 64 year old butt ugly Chris. Not buying it. Something is up with that shady bitch. Chris must be sending her money in exchange for her dropping everything every time he comes to the DR and that's why she doesn't want to let him go. I just can't figure out why she's dragging Sean in to her mess. 

In the first or second episode we learned that Chris sends Abby money for “school” because she has “potential.”  She would have potential’d him right in the taxi if the TLC cameras weren’t there. They certainly potential’d themselves blue once Sean flew back home. 

Abby wants Chris to commit.  Chris just wants to fuck women-children and took a liking to Abby because it’s easier/safer to have sex with her instead of starting fresh with a new woman-child each time he comes to stay. Abby finds dummy Sean online and tries to use the relationship to manipulate Chris into a commitment.  What she doesn’t realize is that Chris most likely learned the lessons from that game over 40 years ago.  She has to intensify the game to another level because an Internet relationship doesn’t force Chris into a relationship. So, she has both Chris and Sean come to Haiti. Chris would not have visited her without the promise of sex once Sean left (evidenced by the texts). 

Sean, be careful what you wish for. You wanted some cuckholdery — well, now you go it. He wanted to be the white knight/alpha in the love triangle but he is actually the one with the sloppy seconds. 

Reflecting back on Abby meeting Sean at the airport. She and her friend were giddy because Abby thought her “make Chris jealous” plan would work. 

2 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

Pyrophillia involves sexual satisfaction from starting fires, talking about fires, observing fires as they burn, and especially observing fires that they themselves set.

In essence, they set their fire, go to a safe location to watch their handiwork, and they masturbate.

One very distressing example of this was the Our Lady of Angels school fire in Chicago in December 1958.  It was set by a student, Philip (Decker) Presti, who had a long history of setting fires.  The one he set that day killed nearly 100 people in the school: several nuns and many, many children who were trapped in the flames. When he was eventually questioned about his crime (he was never actually accused, due to connections his family had in Chicago), he was left alone in the interrogation room for a stint and was secretly observed.  Phillip had the photos that were taken as the school burned, and he was masturbating furiously.

I don’t believe Paul is a pyrophilliac — just narcisstic enough to believe that he could get away with insurance fraud.  

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8 hours ago, itsadryheat said:

Really, Smilin' Chris, So what did you think was going to happen. Couple rounds of shots, few games of pool, then you flip a coin to see who gets Abby first? 

Oh, Chris was well prepared for this and a myriad of other scenarios. I think Chris wanted to see how gullible Sean would allow himself to be. Abby wanted him to meet Sean so he was doing it for her, and he was staying a couple of extra days to spend time with her alone after Sean was gone and couldn't do anything about it.

Chris may be curious about who the other guy is. When he pretended not to know who "my Seanie" was when Abby mentioned him -- that was affectation for the cameras for Sean to watch and "enjoy" later. Chris is not without his sense of humor.

Again, Chris can be the way he is because he has the least invested emotionally. Also, he's smarter than the two of them put together.

I get that we're supposed to be calling Dr. Chris a big sleazoid and whatnot, but the dude's got game. Abby is completely enamored with him. It's a little unusual, and I doubt she would feel the same way when he's 85, but if she's genuinely attracted to him, then I really don't have a problem with it. Maybe Chris doesn't make his way through a series of unwilling prostitutes. Maybe he likes to seduce a young woman and have her enjoy him every bit as much as he enjoys her. The money element is still not good, but look at where she would be without him? Either married and poor or working as a street prostitute. (The former being acceptable and the latter being dismal.) 

Look at it from his standpoint. Sean stepped into his parlor, and Sean was rude.

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8 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

These Americans are so embarrassing. I hope they don't play this show in other countries. 

Oh, they do. I was overseas this summer in a rather remote country and I turned on the TV for the first time, flipped four channels, and there was a rerun of 90DF, I kid you not with Ambassador Danielle.

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I don't think Paul is mentally ill, or stupid, or clueless.  On the contrary, I think it's possible he is an honest-to-God, sociopathic con man-bad guy.

I really thought the "big secret" was going to be that Paul "suffers" from same-sex attraction and used to have boyfriend or something. I didn't see the restraining order/Firestarter thing coming. I started laughing when he was running and trying to jump in the river. As someone said up thread, it did seem rather manufactured.

If Darcy's not an alcoholic, then Jesse is super controlling and she needs to get the hell out of there.

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I think the mugging was real. I am of course going to hell because my first thought was welp....no phone there goes that, no mas translator app! 

My heart broke for Karine who is the most desperate for a shot out of poverty. She also has the purest heart and integrity of any of the foreigners . 

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These Americans are so embarrassing. I hope they don't play this show in other countries. 

Waving hello from Canada. 

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8 hours ago, gavinmac said:

I think it's possible the mugging was very real but then they overdubbed her later talking about the place being dangerous, or something like that.

That's what I think, too. Poor thing!

TLC producers wouldn't be that disingenuous.

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