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S01.E09: Red Flags

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Paul reveals a big secret to Karine, which leads to a dangerous encounter in Brazil; Sean finally meets Abby's ex-boyfriend in an emotional showdown; Jesse and Darcey reach a breaking point; Cortney is suspicious of Antonio's womanizing ways.

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2 minutes ago, PityFree said:

Nice of Paul to say something AFTER he slept with her!! Ass.

She's the one who  wanted to have sex with him so desperately.

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Corny and Antonio - as hard as it is to believe, HE is looking much better than her.  She is so bossy, it's unbelievable.  

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Poor Karine, I feel terrible for her.  At least she found this out before it was too late.  Unfortunately they slept together.

Paul has some serious mental issues.  It was actually really scary and not because of the machete.  Karine’s father should go after Paul with a machete.  

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Oh, and more.  I got an awful controller/passive-aggressive emotional abuser vibe from Jesse that AS LONG AS SHE DID _____________________(fill in the blank, but THIS time it's not drink) then he will stay.  Yikes.  

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1 minute ago, Rabithed said:

Chris met Abby at a cafe in Puerto Plata.  That area is well known as a tourism sex destination. The women hang out at the open bars/cafes for the tourists,  so Yeah, she's in the sex industry :(

That's sad, she is so young.  Her true nature comes out when she gets angry and her eyes flash  that's the real Abby (unfortunately) 

Sean, go home! 

Yep. Puerto Plata. 

https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/caribbean/dominican-republic/sex-in-the-dominican-republic

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4 minutes ago, TrininisaScorp said:

Something about him SCREAMS predator to me

Oh, he's a smug, vile sex tourist for certain. 

4 minutes ago, TrininisaScorp said:

Paul is basically a keystone cop anytime he moves. 

LOL.  And yank up those damn pants mister!!!

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1 minute ago, Adeejay said:

I find it interesting that Paul didn’t tell Karine about his past until after he’d slept with her.  He is a manipulative piece of crap!  

Paul is a player?  I dont think he's that smart. Creepy as hell, yes, but smart? nope.

2 minutes ago, brillia79 said:

Abby... oh Abby...

How the hell are you gonna play the "you don't trust me" card while you're still scratching at the scabies rash another man gave you???

Srsly, bitch???

Dude could have gotten scabies from a domestic skank; there was no need to go to Haiti.

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Anyone notice when Karine was running after Paul and struggling with him by the water her hair was down then in a bun then down again and then in a bun.  That makes it obvious these were filmed in more than one take.  

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Something is TOTALLY up with Chris and Abby.  The look of panic once Sean asks to see the WhatsApp convo was enough to prove this wasn’t “just friends”.  

 

Paul - wow.  Just wow.  No comment.

 

Antonio and Cortney - I seriously don’t know which one I like the least.

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6 minutes ago, Rabithed said:

Chris met Abby at a cafe in Puerto Plata.  That area is well known as a tourism sex destination. The women hang out at the open bars/cafes for the tourists,  so Yeah, she's in the sex industry :(

 

 

Yes, I put my thoughts about that in the Sean & Abby thread. "Puerto Plata" is also the name of the province that includes the town of Sosua, which is the sex tourism epicenter of the Western Hemisphere. As a white guy who has traveled all over the developing world, I can share this well known adage: "There are two types of women here. Hookers and women who won't talk to you."

My point is that young women who are not hookers don't hang out in cafes where white guys go, in sex tourism hotspots, and strike up conversation with those white guys. 

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Ok Jesse, one night of overindulging does not equal alcoholic (eye roll). He straight up says he's not controlling and in the next breath demands she never drink again. Give me a break. 

I like Chris.  Aside from going after girls 40 years younger than him, I'm not getting a creeper vibe from him.  He seems pretty normal. Sean skeeves me out. 

Cortney is so dense I'm irritated just listening to her talk. Antonio is certainly no prize, but all she's done is bitch and moan about everything  and snoop through his phone. "Are we boyfriend and girlfriend?" "Does your sister know we're dating?"  Girl, make up your mind! One minute you're complaining about him and the next you're demanding he call you his girlfriend. She cannot take a hint. It's extremely clear he is not remotely interested her. Cortney, if you're having such a terrible time then leave! You're supposedly a world traveler. Ditch him and enjoy the rest of your time in Spain.

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Darcey will never stick to the “no alcohol” rule. I hate to judge a book by its cover, but she just strikes me as the type who likes her wine and likes it on a regular basis. She’s so desperate that she’ll tell Jesse whatever he wants to hear, do whatever she wants behind his back in the states, and then (if he ever actually comes over on the K1) it’ll blow up between them later.

1 minute ago, gavinmac said:

Paul could have told her he shot the Pope. It wouldn't matter. He's white, he's American, she's poor, her whole village has seen them together, and she is so desperate to get married to him, to avoid the shame of him not marrying her, and so that she can move to America and send money back to her poor parents.  It's sad.

Oh, I don’t disagree with you at all. But he hates himself so much and is insecure enough that he is probably terrified of her leaving him no matter what and thus feels the need to pull this manipulation. That’s just my take though.

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2 minutes ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

 

Cortney is so dense I'm irritated just listening to her talk. Antonio is certainly no prize, but all she's done is bitch and moan about everything  and snoop through his phone. If you're having such a terrible time then leave! You're supposedly a world traveler. Ditch him and enjoy the rest of your time in Spain. She's not representing American women very well. 

Agreed. I don't like how he greeted her when she first arrived, but since then she's done literally nothing to try and enjoy their time together and she's already so damn needy I feel crowded by her myself and I'm only watching her on tv.

Girl, you JUST met this guy in person. Since when does someone have to declare on the very first meeting that you're "boyfriend and girlfriend" or officially together? Does she assume that because she went through the trouble of hopping on a plane that she's entitled to full girlfriend status right out the gate? I don't think that's how it works.

Just get to know each other. Give him some time to fall for you before you start nagging him about your future together. (see also: Darcey and Jesse)

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Surprise of the episode.  Courtney is actually smart!   Not only did she walk out on Mr. Carlos Danger, but she called him on his bullshit about hiding behind his not speaking English.  Hey Carlos, stop staring at other women when you are out with one, specially when many cameras are filming you.  I think Courtney is rushing the boyfriend/girlfriend status, but she wasn't wrong in using that to call his bluf.  

Jesse and Darcy are two clowns.  Their actions are so staged, I'm not wasting my time writing about it.  To see Darcy with no make up was refreshing, if she's going to have more surgery, she should get that receeding hair line fixed and reduce her forehead by an inch or two.

Abby.  Sean was in such a hurry to get married.  Now Abby is manipulating him with her BS and drama and he's about to fall for it.   Hey Sean, if you have to worry about your girl "having sex" with someone else, you should run in the opposite direction.  "It's me or it's him"   Abby is saying "his name is Chris" is you better respect him.  Abby wants Chris in his life.  Sean crying on camera, the award goes to the producers for finding such a triple A loser.  Jesus!! Take the wheel please!!   At the end of the episode, Sean is still thinking about proposing to Abby!

By the way, Chris was such a boss for not engaging in a BS argument with Sean.  He said I didn't know this was going to be antagonistic. 

The second award Paul for putting Karine through all those tests and then telling her about his Arson and Restraining orders, after sleeping with her.  He's been Mr Fun all this time, but now that he ate Karine's cookie and realized the mess he was stepping into it, let me use my past to get out of this and go back to Kentucky.  Karine showing her immaturity or lack of brains and common sense, thinks he was kidding.  If Paul is sincerely sick, he should seek help and stop putting himself through all that drama.   Can someone with a criminal record sponsor someone else for a visa?   

I know friends in the same age range who have dated for many months before calling themselves boyfriend and girlfriend, much less to talk about proposing or marriage.   These couples, some of them having never met in person, can't stop talking about marriage and proposing.   This is more so with long distance relationship, because there is no constant physical contact.

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Just now, Bibi said:

Do you guys think the mugging was real? Looked like a production.

So Karine warns Paul about how dangerous the area is and she walks around at nightfall, in a  crop top and a cellphone in her hand?

Paul who didn't want to swim just one week before is ok today to commit suicide in "poop water".

Is there anything sensible on that show? For God's sake.

I was actually thinking the same thing. Each season, plots are getting more and more sensational. 

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"HIs name is Chris." There you go, Sean. Abby has made her priorities and her preferences perfectly clear. If as the previews show, you still might propose you deserve every ounce of misery headed your way. Also telling? Abby saying to Chris that he told her to go for it when she told him she had started talking to Sean. I guess Abby thought that would make him jealous. Obviously it hasn't, Abby, especially if you're still sleeping with him and it's pretty clear that you are.

I lmao at Cortney saying Antonio's nude pictures would embarrass her. Don't you worry, Cortney! You're doing that all by yourself.

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Sean was thrown way off kilter because his heart was on the line.  And he needs to get the next plane out of Haiti and forget about these people as quickly as possible.

Chris isn't good for Abby because he will prevent her from falling in love with a man who will commit to her. She will miss out on things like having a stable home, becoming a mother, bearing children, and most of all, feeling truly and completely loved.

So, what Sean was saying was true, but it fell on deaf ears because Abby and Chris have only ridicule for his opinion. Also, Sean was a mess when he said it. His intensity for Abby translated into aggression towards Chris.

Chris may work out an end game with Abby, like, play along with this guy, tell him what he wants to hear, and then we'll have wild sex in two days. And, after you're married to him, too.

Sean might actually be doing Chris a favor by bringing his favorite girl to the states. It will be easier for him to see her and still with no strings attached.

Sean, pick up your broken heart and head back for the States!

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Paul saying over and over, please dont let me jump. That guy is sick! The running Paul was comedy gold tho.

Why hasnt Sean taken Abby to a real doctor for the scabies? And why didnt Chris tell her to get medical care. It doesnt just go away does it?

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The mugging looked like bad acting.

Abby and Chris. They deserve each other. I actually felt bad for Sean.

Paul -- he's a whack job.

So..what? Is this *it*?  Next week the new 90 day season starts.

I guess these were all the matches that didn't make it.

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.....wow. Just wow. WAS that mugging fake?! Producer-driven? On the one hand, for everyone's sake, I hope so. On the other hand, how awful to terrify Karine that way (and, to a lesser extent, how disappointing for us as the viewers)! Couldn't help giggling at Paul telling Karine, "Don't push me into the thorns!"

  Abby....oy. She miscalculated here. Sean had my sympathy for a minute when his voice broke and he got teary-eyed, but then in the preview for next week, we see that he is still deliberating over whether to propose to her? Really, man? 

   Oh, Cortney....poor Cortney. Sigh. And is it me or is Antonio not even hot? What's the attraction? (How funny was it when she showed him the "porn" photo of him on her phone and he deadpanned, "Who is that guy?" Hahaha

    Can't snark on Darcey. I just feel sorry for her. As others have said, she does emanate desperation....poor thing. (Jesse, too, I find not nearly as hot as he is "supposed" to be, and the memory of him spread-eagle in that gay-porn-esque photo ain't helping.)

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7 minutes ago, AmyBre said:

 

The second award Paul for putting Karine through all those tests and then telling her about his Arson and Restraining orders, after sleeping with her.  He's been Mr Fun all this time, but now that he ate Karine's cookie and realized the mess he was stepping into it, let me use my past to get out of this and go back to Kentucky.  Karine showing her immaturity or lack of brains and common sense, thinks he was kidding.  If Paul is sincerely sick, he should seek help and stop putting himself through all that drama.   Can someone with a criminal record sponsor someone else for a visa?   

Paul is a sick pup. I don't get this going into the water business. What the hell? The poor girl didn't understand anything he was saying! (Isn't he like 34 and she's like 20?)

He obviously wants Karine to accept him the way that he is, seared conscience and all. Otherwise he would have told her this stuff before he came to Brazil.

Instead he let her get good and attached to him and hopeful. THEN he hit her with all the bad craziness! And there was a lot of it. The running off to the river was every bit as bad as what he told her because it showed how very unstable he was. And, I'm sure the film crew just LOVED having to chase after him.

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27 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

Poor Karine, I feel terrible for her.  At least she found this out before it was too late.  Unfortunately they slept together.

Paul has some serious mental issues.  It was actually really scary and not because of the machete.  Karine’s father should go after Paul with a machete.  

 

1 minute ago, Morgalisa said:

Paul saying over and over, please dont let me jump. That guy is sick! The running Paul was comedy hold tho.

Why hasnt Sean taken Abby to a real doctor for the scabies? And why didnt Chris tell her to get medical care. It doesnt just go away does it?

Paul is a classic narcissistic controlling asshole. He just did all that for show to hook and sink Karine into a marriage and forgive his "past".

Reminds me of my soon to be ex. Classic move Paul. Classic you douchebag.

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Paul running into the forest reminded me so much of the Fragile Frankie Merman episode of Seinfeld where Jerry's anxious childhood friend had a strange habit of running into the woods, digging a hole, and crying for hours whenever he felt overwhelmed.

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Cortney, have your fling and go home. You are embarrassing yourself with your much more liberal ‘model’. He will continue to check out most women. You decide if you want that.

Paul, nice of you to tell Karine about your past. She is young and desperate to get out. I would probably walk away from someone who has an arson conviction and what I am assuming is some sort of domestic violence. Girl, he will just add you to that tally.  How did he get to travel to Brazil?? She didn’t deserve to get mugged. Let Paul spend some quality time in the woods.

Jesse, love is not about control and about conditions on how you want your partner to be. Darcey will stop drinking when *she* wants to do so - for her own health. You can have activities with her that do not involve alcohol.

Sean, you are just a means of opportunity for Abby. She wants her cake and eat it too. You and Chris may want to work out a timeshare.

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By the way, if I were ever convicted of arson, and I had to tell a girlfriend that, I would IMMEDIATELY add that I was convicted of burning my own stuff for the insurance money, assuming that's the case. You don't want her thinking you're a pyromaniac or that you burned down an orphanage or something.

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Seems like Chris is perfectly happy to have sex with Abby and Abby can do whatever with whomever. I defer the feeling abby likes Chris more than Sean. I bet if Chris offered Abby marriage and a green card, she'd drop Sean in a hot second. 

I don't think Antonio wants marriage, a green card or to come to the US. He thought a hot American chic was coming over to bang him. He doesnt comprendo boyfriend and girlfriend. Courtney thinks they have a relationship . Why fly 5000 miles to play hard to get?

That whole Paul karine scene was surreal. Paul needs to be in a facility for observation . Karine needs to run. 

I won't comment on Darcy and Jessie because I think their relationship is fake and made up for tv, evidenced by the house of 11product placement in every scene. 

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"If" Abby is a sex worker, it has not beaten her down. She still looks very fresh faced and attractive.  I know shes very young, but that is a hard life and puts a lot of mileage on a vagina and on a face. Just sayin.

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6 minutes ago, ThinkerBell said:

Paul running into the forest reminded me so much of the Fragile Frankie Merman episode of Seinfeld where Jerry's anxious childhood friend had a strange habit of running into the woods, digging a hole, and crying for hours whenever he felt overwhelmed.

LOL. You win comment of the evening.

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32 minutes ago, SmashleyMcSlayin said:

Hi everyone, I have been reading this forum for a long time and enjoying all your comments! I finally decided to join.

 

The main thing that stood out to me tonight was Paul telling Karine about his criminal history. It seemed like one big manipulation. Tells her his past and then goes off about how he’s a terrible person and runs away so she feels like she’s the one who has to chase and comfort him. I bet he planned to do it that way all along in hopes she’d feel sorry for him and have that overrule her concerns about his background.

Welcome! 

I thought exactly the same thing about Paul. It was all one big manipulative ploy on his part to get her to accept him.

The river thing was really weird. It made me wonder how he would have behaved if she didn't accept him. Would he have staged an even more serious suicide attempt? 

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33 minutes ago, Laurie4H said:

Anyone notice when Karine was running after Paul and struggling with him by the water her hair was down then in a bun then down again and then in a bun.  That makes it obvious these were filmed in more than one take.  

Her hair color is not even the same sometimes. Come on.

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