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S06.E09: A Tale of Two Turkeys

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I know this is a callous to say, but honestly, if MJ is that desperate for a child, she *could* just adopt, or even foster. I get that people who desperately want to be moms generally want to have their own spawn, but what is it that you want more? To birth a mini-me and admire your own genes or to nurture a child, related to you or not, to become a decent human being and give them unconditional love? Or does she just want to have the attention of being pregnant and complaining about all the pregnancy symptoms and blah blah blah. Besides MJ, darling, you can't wear skin-tight jumpsuits when you're pregnant. Then you'll really look like Santa Claus!! I just can't with these women who treat children as accessories and things to show off. MJ is not a good role model. She'd be to her child what Vida is to MJ, even if she thinks she could never be as crappy a mother as her own.

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3 minutes ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

if MJ is that desperate for a child, she *could* just adopt

Vida barely tolerates her own child there is no way in hell she would accept a child who she wasn't tied to through DNA as her grandchild.

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30 minutes ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

Which might actually be a good thing for the grandchild in the long run if it got ignored by Vida. :D

True but MJ isn't going to go against her mother.

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49 minutes ago, Nancypants said:

This back and forth is Moot. MJ is a convicted felon. No adoption for her.

True, which means that she has to have her own baby or find a surrogate to have her baby. 

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3 hours ago, Nancypants said:

This back and forth is Moot. MJ is a convicted felon. No adoption for her.

This isn't true at least not in California given the nature of the crime and when it happened and that's not even talking private adoptions. The home visit on the other hand could be an issue.  I think it's a Moot point because MJ doesn't want to be a parent.

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I  think MJ wants to have a child for her dad more than herself…and to make Vida at least change her insults (as she'll never stop them).

Asa's still super shady; and despite the extra drama, Shervin's dinner looked more enjoyable than hers.

GG hearing fully & her surprise at how loud she was--super cute!  I'm glad for her, her genuine joy was palpable; she looked like a kid at Christmas getting exactly what she wanted from Santa.

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9 hours ago, OnceSane said:

I  think MJ wants to have a child for her dad more than herself…and to make Vida at least change her insults (as she'll never stop them).

Asa's still super shady; and despite the extra drama, Shervin's dinner looked more enjoyable than hers.

GG hearing fully & her surprise at how loud she was--super cute!  I'm glad for her, her genuine joy was palpable; she looked like a kid at Christmas getting exactly what she wanted from Santa.

Shervin's looked more enjoyable because skeevy Reza and Adam weren't there.

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Leila did not attend Shervin's Thanksgiving dinner for her father. She wanted some camera time and clearly had a plan to obtain some. I've always considered Leila to be the more respectable and level-headed of the Gharachedaghi sisters--she attended university, got an advanced degree and had a family which she is able to support financially . However, Leila has fallen steeply in my estimation in the past few years. She's given up her professional career as attorney and carried on an illicit dalliance with Mike while he was still married to Jessica for what? Making the occasional appearance on a Bravo show and selling stories to the media?  And now she's accusing GG of abusing her children? Fame whoring is not a pretty look.

I know Leila and GG have a contentious relationship, but I'm wondering just how scripted Leila's outburst was because everything blew over pretty quickly. It was interesting that Leila chose to stay and black backgammon rather than leave like she threatened--probably so she could have additional time on film.

I don't think Shervin's horror at GG pulling Analise aside was fake, though. He seemed genuinely terrified of the secrets GG might spill.

Asa is a snake in the grass. She was clearly very disturbed by Reza's presence at her T-day dinner, yet she tolerated him with a half smirk on her face through out the evening. I bet that was one very uncomfortable evening at the Rahmati residence. Does anyone know if Reza and Asa are still close? Previously I could see Asa naming Reza her baby's godfather (maybe not...I'm sure that honor would probably go to a Jackson), but now I'm wondering if he has even seen the baby let alone have any involvement in its life.

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1 hour ago, Rahul said:

Leila did not attend Shervin's Thanksgiving dinner for her father. She wanted some camera time and clearly had a plan to obtain some. I've always considered Leila to be the more respectable and level-headed of the Gharachedaghi sisters--she attended university, got an advanced degree and had a family which she is able to support financially . However, Leila has fallen steeply in my estimation in the past few years. She's given up her professional career as attorney and carried on an illicit dalliance with Mike while he was still married to Jessica for what? Making the occasional appearance on a Bravo show and selling stories to the media?  And now she's accusing GG of abusing her children? Fame whoring is not a pretty look.

I know Leila and GG have a contentious relationship, but I'm wondering just how scripted Leila's outburst was because everything blew over pretty quickly. It was interesting that Leila chose to stay and black backgammon rather than leave like she threatened--probably so she could have additional time on film.

I don't think Shervin's horror at GG pulling Analise aside was fake, though. He seemed genuinely terrified of the secrets GG might spill.

Asa is a snake in the grass. She was clearly very disturbed by Reza's presence at her T-day dinner, yet she tolerated him with a half smirk on her face through out the evening. I bet that was one very uncomfortable evening at the Rahmati residence. Does anyone know if Reza and Asa are still close? Previously I could see Asa naming Reza her baby's godfather (maybe not...I'm sure that honor would probably go to a Jackson), but now I'm wondering if he has even seen the baby let alone have any involvement in its life.

IMO, Leila is more thirsty than any other family member on any Bravo show has ever been and I suspect that she resents that GG got on this show more as each season passes. I also suspect her affair with Mike had more to do with wanting to become a cast member replacing her sister, Yes, I believe she is THAT jealous of GG. Oh, and Leila stayed to secure camera time, not because she wanted to spend any time with her father, again, IMO.

When Asa was on WWHL 2-3 weeks ago, she said that none of the cast has seen her baby yet and that MJ would never, ever see him. I doubt that Reza will ever see him unless she decides to use that as a storyline next season. I can see her allowing everyone except MJ to see him off camera and then making sure MJ knows about it.

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On 9/17/2017 at 11:41 PM, NYCFree said:

Amongst my many bad parenting choices, my 15 year old son and I watch a lot of Bravo together. He's hearing impaired and is going through a phase where he doesn't want to wear his hearing aids (he's had them since he was 5 and it's only been an issue this past year). I kept pausing the tv to discuss what GG was saying moment by moment---"wow, she had trouble in school because she didn't wear hearing aids". "Oh, she's had trouble socially for a long time since she's been isolated by not clearly hearing what people are saying." Finally "seriously kid, do you want to end up like GG?" The last one is unfair of me because I do think she's trying to improve herself.

Without using hearing aids I never would have made it through to college.  However, I never would have made it through college and beyond without using ASL.  I should have been taught it as a child, but things were different back then and they pushed for oral even for kids who struggled to be completely oral.

 Does your son have any friends who are D/deaf/HoH?  I hate the term hearing impaired myself, that's why you see Hard of Hearing to represent those who do not need visual cues to understand speech.  If you do need visual cues to understand speech, then you are considered deaf.  Anyway, finding a group of D/deaf/HoH could help him become more comfortable in himself.  You'll always see people wearing hearing aids and cochlear implants in the group and not being shy about it at all.  They'll be talking about what fancy colored molds or hearing aids or how they decorated their most recent hearing aid.  If you PM me I can help find a group in your area.  I would also definitely have him consider learning to sign just because of how much easier it made my classes, especially if in the long run as an adult he decides to ditch the hearing aids.  I had to ditch them, they no longer made them strong enough.  Now there are a few that are strong enough but they will cost me about 15k every three years, four if I'm lucky and that's the cost of a car.  Only part of that is covered by insurance, not enough to make a difference.  Thank goodness I did learn to sign, I've lost even more hearing since then.

 Oh, and I was also fucked up socially because of my hearing, even though I had hearing aids from the age of 7.  My mother knew I had hearing loss and refused to do anything but the damage was already done to me, socially speaking.  As an adult it's easier to navigate, but that comes with an acceptance of hearing loss and experience knowing what to do when others treat you badly or wrongly when they find out you can't hear.

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I acknowledge Asa has the right to do and tell whatever she wants but here's a couple of things. One is, why not just be upfront about the IVF or whatever it was? Two, do not behave as if you are this poor, put upon, victim when it clearly showed people helping you. Three, I wouldn't in my right mind ever travel the verseas late in a pregnancy let alone somewhere as dangerous as Israel. Use some sense Asa! And lastly, wanting peace and unity is fine but Asa seems very naive.

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21 hours ago, Eater of Worlds said:

Without using hearing aids I never would have made it through to college.  However, I never would have made it through college and beyond without using ASL.  I should have been taught it as a child, but things were different back then and they pushed for oral even for kids who struggled to be completely oral.

 Does your son have any friends who are D/deaf/HoH?  I hate the term hearing impaired myself, that's why you see Hard of Hearing to represent those who do not need visual cues to understand speech.  If you do need visual cues to understand speech, then you are considered deaf.  Anyway, finding a group of D/deaf/HoH could help him become more comfortable in himself.  You'll always see people wearing hearing aids and cochlear implants in the group and not being shy about it at all.  They'll be talking about what fancy colored molds or hearing aids or how they decorated their most recent hearing aid.  If you PM me I can help find a group in your area.  I would also definitely have him consider learning to sign just because of how much easier it made my classes, especially if in the long run as an adult he decides to ditch the hearing aids.  I had to ditch them, they no longer made them strong enough.  Now there are a few that are strong enough but they will cost me about 15k every three years, four if I'm lucky and that's the cost of a car.  Only part of that is covered by insurance, not enough to make a difference.  Thank goodness I did learn to sign, I've lost even more hearing since then.

 Oh, and I was also fucked up socially because of my hearing, even though I had hearing aids from the age of 7.  My mother knew I had hearing loss and refused to do anything but the damage was already done to me, socially speaking.  As an adult it's easier to navigate, but that comes with an acceptance of hearing loss and experience knowing what to do when others treat you badly or wrongly when they find out you can't hear.

I gratefully PMed you.

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