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38 minutes ago, DragonFlyzz said:

I think you mean Paul.  I didn't notice dirty fingernails on Patrick.

Paul is the germaphobe not Patrick.  A germaphobe who doesn't clean under his nails and one who goes into a public restroom in his socks.  Double gross.

I thought it was socks and shower shoes. 

Why would anyone swim so close to the bathroom? 

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The thing that always strikes me about all of the Americans on this show is that they all seem to feel they are owed a drop dead gorgeous person on their arms when lets be real they are all average at best and then proceed to explain that ALL men/women in their area are not dateable. Funny how the rest of us seem to make it work just fine but whatever.

I feel bad for for Abby. My husband's family is from a poor country too but as poor as Haiti but yeah this is what desperate women feel they have to do. The idea of marrying for love is not a thing in many countries and the expectation is you will send money to her family and start the process of trying to bring them over here as well. It is just understood that is the long-term goal that both of you should know going in.

I know many people here thing Paul is a virgin but very few adults at 34 are virgins just because he is socially awkward and a dufus doesn't mean he has no experience. I come from a lower income family with many a Paul and Larry and although they would not be among my dating circle they do meet and date women. I think many people are looking at these guys from what we expect from a middle class white collar guy and they are not. Larry could be the white version of my cousin that always tries to date "out of his league" women because he has unrealistic expectations. These women in these poor countries are most likely looking for someone not abusive and who make decent money based of 3rd world economy period. Their looks are personality aren't that important to these women as they local men they have to choose from don't have tons to offer. That being said these guys going abroad meeting them for the first time and expecting to get engaged that same trip are crazy.  I thing they met a few women here that treated them badly and just decided seek foreign women because they think a few kind words online equals love but hell almost every adult on the planet has been hurt dating someone so get over it already and stop being so desperate. 

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Agreed. He said a former gf got pregnant and a DNA test revealed that the baby wasn't his. As weird and socially awkward and strangely naive as he is, he knows you have to have sex to make a baby!

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Paul doesn't strike me as someone who is a legit real germaphobe. I think he's acting this extreme because he feels he is "better" then karine. Almost like he is above her families lifestyle,swimming in river water,sleeping in a house that has no running water,AC. Eating their food & bringing his own,learning their language. Someone who is a germaphobe wouldn't accept a ball of hair from their mother. 

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34 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Paul is the real deal.

I have to admit - I wouldn't swim in that river either.  And I wouldn't have walked so breezily into that toilet either - that surprised me.  

Hope she doesn't take up with Paul.  She's pretty and healthy and has good parents.   He's not worthy IMO.

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37 minutes ago, Hellohappylife said:

Someone who is a germaphobe wouldn't accept a ball of hair from their mother. 

That's different. That's mom's hair. He's probably got a little sweater knitted from it when he was a child.

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Abby's father: "I hope you aren't using my daughter for two weeks then going back to America. I hope you love her and take care of her and this isn't the last time we ever see her again."

Sean:  "K."

 

...If I were Papa Abby, they would never find his body. 

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just watched this, and wow!  Abby couldn't even look at Sean in the morning and when he went in to kiss her (several times) she turned her head so he would give the kiss to her cheek.  She can't stand him.  And, she still doesn't want to have to choose between Chris and Sean.  Hmmmmm.  As soon as she gets her green card she will so be out of his life.

My heart ached for Larry.  I agree with others that he doesn't have the creep factor that some of the other men have.  It seems like he should be able to find someone in the U.S. unless there is something else going on with him.  His sons just want him to be happy, and the older one referenced multiple heart breaks for his dad, so there may be more going on there.

Paul...he keeps telling us how HARD it is to not be able to speak the same language as Karine.  So, when, exactly, did he try to study Portuguese since he was interested in Karine and planned to go visit her.  I think he keeps trying to play the victim card as well as the 'pitiful me' card about all of his hardships.  It seems like he really doesn't take responsibility for his decisions and actions.

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1 hour ago, Hellohappylife said:

Someone who is a germaphobe wouldn't accept a ball of hair from their mother. 

...nor tolerate those filthy nails he's sporting. He's not afraid of germs; he's afraid of poor-country cooties. 

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14 hours ago, PityFree said:

 Dear God. Did everybody see Patrick's long filthy fingernails?????

Do you mean Paul? I saw Mr. STD-Test-Required Paul's long filthy fingernails, for sure.

15 hours ago, Mercolleen said:

I wonder if Karine wonders if she's being punked?

I wonder if we are all being punked -- Paul is too ridiculous to be believed. Cooling vest? Penis protector? Trunks of supplies, including a pregnancy test, stuffed toys, and a hank of mama's hair? C'mon! This 'character' is really, really hard to believe. Are the producers having a good laugh? I mean I KNOW there are very weird, odd people out there, but THIS weird & odd?!?!?

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2 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I thought it was socks and shower shoes. 

Why would anyone swim so close to the bathroom? 

Maybe he did have on shower shoes.  He initially had on black sandals which were very noticeable with his white socks.  I kept looking at his feet, though, because I couldn't imagine him of all people walking into a restroom with no shoes on his feet.

15 hours ago, Mercolleen said:

Paul flailing around in the "poop water" ... I wonder if Karine wonders if she's being punked?

She did say his neurotic behavior was embarrassing ... though I can't imagine why.

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9 hours ago, CofCinci said:

 

13 hours ago, Matias130 said:

 

In the first episode I got the impression that Chris paid for her schooling. 

 

I get the impression Chris has paid for everything, and he probably still is.  If she and Chris were "friends," as ahe claims, why would she have any nervousness about him meeting The Creep?  

1 hour ago, Major Bigtime said:

He's probably got a little sweater knitted from it when he was a child.

Or his first penis protector.  

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Karine needs to run from this creepy little weirdo and find a real man.

Larry's sons are smarter than he is.

I do like Abby's family.

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I wish I didn't get such a visceral reaction of repulsion upon seeing Paul so I could watch for the LOL's.   I'm originally from Louisville so I hate that he's from there.  

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OMG.  These people are AMAZING.

Patrick seems okay, but then who goes on an international flight with his shirt wide open like that?  Way to really commit to the style, bruh.  IMO, Mariam is striking and I think they make a cute couple.

Thank you for no Desperate Darcy and Jerkwad Jesse today.  I wasn't ready for those two. 

Paul.  He's just the best and the worst!  I really think he should have spent more timing learning more basic Portuguese than obsessing over the pee pee fish.  His little outfits are hysterical!  Karine probably has no idea what the heck she has gotten herself into.  I hope along with his insistence on a STD and pregnancy test, she insists on 1) STD test and 2) a pysch evaluation by a certified professional.  I totally agree that his ring gesture was the "get it in" gesture and we were howling at my house.  Best comedy of the night.  "Let me get my cooling vest on"  Bwahahaha.

Larry from Pinellas.  The representative of Florida on this show isn't really helping us as a people.   I will agree that he doesn't seem as crazy, but before you jet off, I think you need to look at your life.  You got 2 kids (who seem way smarter than you) by 2 different women.  What happened there outside of "they weren't ready to commit"?  Filipino chick seems shady as hell.

Sean and Abby.  Man.  This is kinda mean, but: How do you get to be thisclose to 50 and have to have a 20 yr old woman tell you how to please her?!  I agree with many of you that Abby is really, really shady, and is starting to regret this whole Sean thing.  

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Did anyone else think the show was trying to make it seem as though Myriam was pregnant? The big sweater, her repeatedly closing the sweater and when they were leaving the airport Patrick's luggage trolley was covering her body. I realize she would have to be early in her pregnancy but its odd the way it was filmed.

Abby is not into Sean. Her family isn't into Sean. I almost think she is just trying to make Chris jealous and put a ring on it. 

I have no problem with couples having an STD test before sex. I think it's smart. On the other hand, Asking someone to take a pregnancy test just screams I don't trust you. Any woman with options, and every woman has options other than a Paul, should run. 

Larry seems like a nice guy but you can smell the desperation for love. He seems to have good kids who are used to their dad not making smart dating choices. 

Do none of these men wonder why women who are so young and good looking are interested in them but if the same women were in the US they wouldn't give them the time of day? 

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On a serious note, I hate that poverty/circumstances forces these girls (I guess boys too thinking about the girl who went to Morocco last year) and their families into thinking this should be an option and that these men are somehow worthy of their children.

Larry is definitely the male version of Danielle.  Is there an IQ test?  If not, maybe there should be.  Jorge might have passed but I think it would've stopped Danielle and now Larry.

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19 hours ago, SoshulMeedya said:

Please see Family Pedro. ( Karine marrying Paul = American money sent to them.)

Not really, it's not as expected that girls will support the family with money like it is with boys.  

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Was Paul wearing a bullet proof vest?? And someone please tell me that the US government won't really grant a Visa to someone who can only communicate with her fiancé on Google translate. The comment the dad made about Karini being picked by an American even though she's from a poor family broke my heart.

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9 hours ago, DragonFlyzz said:

I think you mean Paul.  I didn't notice dirty fingernails on Patrick.

Paul is the germaphobe not Patrick.  A germaphobe who doesn't clean under his nails and one who goes into a public restroom in his socks.  Double gross.

You are correct! Thank you! I mixed up the names.

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5 hours ago, TrininisaScorp said:

How do you get to be thisclose to 50 and have to have a 20 yr old woman tell you how to please her?!  

I took that to mean she's into some kinky stuff, maybe involving unripe fruit and an alternative bodily orifice.  I could be reading too much into this.  

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22 hours ago, Latenites said:

Sean is all kinds of skeevy, but for some reason I don't trust Abby either. There's just a disingenuous vibe about her.

Did you notice that Sean told her parents "We've talked about getting married . . . possibly" and she translated it as "He says he wants to marry me and spend the rest of his life with me."  It's also odd that she's the one sho says she's not sure if he's the one, it's like she's holding out for a better offer.

Is asking a woman to take a pregnancy test before sex really a thing? Do NBA players even do that with their groupies?  

I'm not surprised at all that Karine agreed to it though. As an older white American who has dated impoverished foreign women, let me tell you, you can pretty much put any condition or demand on getting married and they will go along with it.  Seriously, you can start any sentence with  "I'll marry you but _________________" or "I'll marry you if ____________________" and insert the batshit craziest thing you can think of in the blank. And they will think about it for two seconds and say "OK."  

I haven't actually done this, but I have said things like "I'm not sure we can get married because I know you want to have chil --"  

Her: "OK. We get married, no children."

 

 



 

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22 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Loving the look on karine dad's face. It's all "who is this asshole"?

100% true. Especially when he's on 1 knee and pretends in his mind to put a ring on her finger lol. Looked so dirty I burst put laughing by the look on her dad's face

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1 hour ago, PityFree said:

You are correct! Thank you! I mixed up the names.

And to put a urethra cover on his penis so nothing swims up it. He is do fucking crazy. His cooling vest. Those swim pants that still took on water. I'd be wondering who the fuck did I agree to meet? lol. 

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3 hours ago, For Cereals said:

On a serious note, I hate that poverty/circumstances forces these girls (I guess boys too thinking about the girl who went to Morocco last year) and their families into thinking this should be an option and that these men are somehow worthy of their children.

Larry is definitely the male version of Danielle.  Is there an IQ test?  If not, maybe there should be.  Jorge might have passed but I think it would've stopped Danielle and now Larry.

Larry talks like actor/comedian Fred Stoller, who often plays dimwitted characters.

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4 hours ago, CofCinci said:

RE: Cooling Vest

Is there a chance that Paul has MS?  The type of vest he wore is similar to the vests prescribed to those with MS. 

It was his cooling vest for the hot weather

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6 hours ago, MakingBacon said:

Did anyone else think the show was trying to make it seem as though Myriam was pregnant? The big sweater, her repeatedly closing the sweater and when they were leaving the airport Patrick's luggage trolley was covering her body. I realize she would have to be early in her pregnancy but its odd the way it was filmed.

 

I'm with you.  Plus she was talking like they had been chatting, but she didn't see it as too serious until he said he bought a plane ticket.  Perfect sense that she would have been dating actual men in her area too.

I love Patrick's mom.  Finally a parent I can fully get behind.  Cortney's parents are a close second.  I hope they gave her some dip for the plane trip.

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33 minutes ago, Kangatush said:

Cortney's parents are a close second.  I hope they gave her some dip for the plane trip

Maybe they did. We'll no doubt see her open it up on the plane.

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Abby is infatuated with a man who won't commit. And she is moving forward. We don't all end up with our soulmates. Her new beau is classless. He was very rude to her family. He has terrible manners all around. This is the time for him to put his best foot forward and set the tone for their romance. Her future looks fairly mundane. I'd be sad too

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So far I like Larry, I think he's kind of cute. Does anyone have a link for his facebook, lol. And I'll give him this, when he first showed the ring he said it was sapphire, but he described it to the kids as being emerald, maybe he was nervous breaking the news to them and messed up.

As for Myriam, my guess is that she's promised to another man, as in an arranged marriage. And/or she's a virgin.

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8 minutes ago, chickenella said:

when he first showed the ring he said it was sapphire, but he described it to the kids as being emerald,

I want really paying attention so didn't actually see it but he could have meant it was an emerald cut sapphire.

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9 hours ago, Ice Princess said:

It was his cooling vest for the hot weather

Those with MS use the same type of cooling vest for hot weather. 

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7 hours ago, chickenella said:

when he first showed the ring he said it was sapphire, but he described it to the kids as being emerald, maybe he was nervous breaking the news to them and messed up.

It's a sapphire, emerald cut. He is too much of a nervous goof to get it right in the moment. By the time he gives it to the girl, it will be a marquise.

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Poppa Karine is the star of the show.  His "who the fuck is this guy?" expressions have me on the floor laughing.  Paul is just weird and there is no way in hell i would let my child go anywhere with his off the wall ass.  A penis sheath, cooling vest and swim pants?  A straight jacket is more in order for him.

I'm happy i wasn't subjected to Betty Botox and her closeted gay paramour this week.  His family and friends are just down right insulting and she should run for the hills, if she can in broken heels.

Myriam is very pretty and you can tell Patrick is totally infatuated with her.  He seems to be a very respectful young man and his mom has taught him well.  She's funny as hell.  Oui oui pee pee.   good sense of humor.   I just wonder what Myriam is hiding?   A bun already in the oven?  A jealous lover?  A child of her own?  Who knows?

Abby and Sean reeks of pedophilia.  She's playing him big time and his dumb ass can't see it.  Pushing 50 and a 20 year old has to tell you what to do in bed?   Either he's slow or she's on the fast track to graduating from  freak em university.

Larry is much like the Amazon rainforest where Karine lives:  dense

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36 minutes ago, tincansailor981 said:

Poppa Karine is the star of the show.  His "who the fuck is this guy?" expressions have me on the floor laughing.  Paul is just weird and there is no way in hell i would let my child go anywhere with his off the wall ass.  A penis sheath, cooling vest and swim pants?  A straight jacket is more in order for him.

I'm happy i wasn't subjected to Betty Botox and her closeted gay paramour this week.  His family and friends are just down right insulting and she should run for the hills, if she can in broken heels.

Myriam is very pretty and you can tell Patrick is totally infatuated with her.  He seems to be a very respectful young man and his mom has taught him well.  She's funny as hell.  Oui oui pee pee.   good sense of humor.   I just wonder what Myriam is hiding?   A bun already in the oven?  A jealous lover?  A child of her own?  Who knows?

Abby and Sean reeks of pedophilia.  She's playing him big time and his dumb ass can't see it.  Pushing 50 and a 20 year old has to tell you what to do in bed?   Either he's slow or she's on the fast track to graduating from  freak em university.

Larry is much like the Amazon rainforest where Karine lives:  dense

I thought the same thing when Abby said she had to teach him what she liked. With two people the same age, who are in a new relationship, that would be reasonable. But a 20 year old girl teaching an old man things in bed makes me think she's been around the block. 

8 hours ago, chickenella said:

So far I like Larry, I think he's kind of cute. Does anyone have a link for his facebook, lol. And I'll give him this, when he first showed the ring he said it was sapphire, but he described it to the kids as being emerald, maybe he was nervous breaking the news to them and messed up.

As for Myriam, my guess is that she's promised to another man, as in an arranged marriage. And/or she's a virgin.

I can't help but like Larry. I might find something to snark about later, but for now, I'm rooting for him. 

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New screen name possibility of the week: WereYouActiveOneWeekAgoOnPhillipinoCupid?

Yet I am rooting for him. The look on his younger sons face though. Can we form PTVCupid to find Larry a woman? We'd all be so active more frequently than a week though but we could find him a non scammer! 

Paul flailing in the poop water. Good god. Run Karine. Swim! He looked like the bad guys at the end reveal of Scooby Doo when the villain is in a fake water monster costume to scare off the gang And I Would Have Gotten Away With It If It Weren't For Those Those Meddling Kids (penis fish)! Such sadness for this beautiful rural family who cannot understand the magnitude of where Karine is being exposed and exploited on national television in the USA. I am uncomfortable by it. I think they are a beautiful straightforward honest  rural family looking for upward mobility for their daughter. 

What's a predcy test? ;-) 

Sean is 50 and can't fuck his way out of a paper bag OR say at least thank you in French ? He is the most dangerous and weird to me and that's going some after Paul. The way he was almost smothering her, arms around her and even her throat and staring at her in bed like she was the first Burger King Paul will see when he's out of the Amazon. Sean handled her family terribly and awkwardly. 

My suspicion is that the Paris lady is PG or had a child. She is beautiful dont get me wrong but seemed a little "dressed down " to meet her love at the airport for the first time . 

Was Patrick bare chested on an airplane under a blazer? My skin crawls. Overseas flight. Grooosssss. 

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22 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Agreed. He said a former gf got pregnant and a DNA test revealed that the baby wasn't his. As weird and socially awkward and strangely naive as he is, he knows you have to have sex to make a baby!

If he gets her back here to the US, he better keep some test kits around. When she realizes shes with a total nerd, she might stray.

Larry, your girl in the Phillipines is going to want to send money home.

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5 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

What's a predcy test? ;-) 

OMG, YES!! I kept hearing that and thinking I heard wrong.

 

6 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Was Patrick bare chested on an airplane under a blazer? My skin crawls. Overseas flight. Grooosssss. 

ICK.  Then the most romantic conversation with Miryiam about how he smells. 

 I wonder about the folks that fly in shorts too. No skin to seat fabric contact for me!

6 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

If he gets her back here to the US, he better keep some test kits around. When she realizes shes with a total nerd, she might stray.

Larry, your girl in the Phillipines is going to want to send money home.

That is my thought about every single person on this show, nobody thinks past the romance of someone so far away, no thoughts of reality of others cultures or motives.

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28 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I wonder about the folks that fly in shorts too. No skin to seat fabric contact for me!

I know, right! Ugh.  A woman near me went to take her seat at boarding and it was soaking wet (with what, I don't know). It was a full flight and she was given a blanket to sit on for the 4 hour flight.  Ugh!  No bare anything on a plane for me.

2 hours ago, tincansailor981 said:

Betty Botox and her closeted gay paramour this week.  His family and friends are just down right insulting

I thought it extremely insulting when the stepdad said she was out of his league.  What a hurtful thing to say.  That's the kind of thing you think, but don't blurt out loud... in polite society anyway.

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55 minutes ago, Desert Rat said:

Paul: you are not speaking Portuguese when you add an "o" at the end of an English word, as in boat-o, ring-o.  

Ugly American.

He was looking for the "bodock" when he arrived, confusing for me and I speak English.

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I thought that while Sean's meeting with Abby's family was one of the most awkward scenarios Ive ever seen, he didnt come off as disrespectful, just super duper creepy and that couldnt be helped. Like he was trying to act like a young 20 year old man meeting the parents for the first time. I kept thinking, thank god Abby can translate for everyone, or else it would be another Paul situation. Abby's family definitely strikes me as somewhat well-to-do by Haitian standards. Their home looks cute and clean, Abby's mother and father dressed well and spoke well, with nice jewelry, and they did not come off as poverty-stricken or like they needed their daughter to be married off to a wealthy American. Abby looks super young which just makes this so creepy and yet she behaves with the sexual confidence of a woman twice her age. It makes me sad because when I was 20 I was grossed out by the thought of dating anyone over 25. Abby seems to have grown up very very fast. Her ex bf is 64 years old ... 

Larry mentioned that what he liked about Jenny was that she wasn't "fancy." I took that to mean someone down to earth and not looking for money, which would make sense since he is definitely not rich and has 2 kids from different moms to help support. Im still on TeamLarry because he really comes off as an unassuming Joe and someone just looking for love without ulterior or creepy motives. I looked at his sons and I wondered: are their moms also Filipinas ? Larry also has these big puppy eyes that make me not want to see him get hurt (is that wierd?)

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12 hours ago, Kangatush said:

 

I love Patrick's mom.  Finally a parent I can fully get behind.  Cortney's parents are a close second.  I hope they gave her some dip for the plane trip.

Patrick's mother and auntie are a scream and I want to hang out with them. Cortney's parents have me scratching my head, for real. I'm probably older than them, but they come across like octogenarians. I'm 63 but I'm woke AF and don't act like I wandered out of Mayberry this morning. I am baffled.

3 hours ago, tincansailor981 said:

Abby and Sean reeks of pedophilia.  She's playing him big time and his dumb ass can't see it.  Pushing 50 and a 20 year old has to tell you what to do in bed?   Either he's slow or she's on the fast track to graduating from  freak em university.

 

Abby coolly saying that she had to show Sean what she liked had me rolling! She was so matter of fact. Isn't Sean the one whose dating profile said he was into freaky stuff and invited interested women to share their fantasies and fetishes? So Mr. Sophisticated Sexytimes is a complete fake who needs a 20 year old to show him around her ladygarden? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

20 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

I thought it extremely insulting when the stepdad said she was out of his league.  What a hurtful thing to say.  That's the kind of thing you think, but don't blurt out loud... in polite society anyway.

No one on this show has any manners. I am very, VERY far from Emily Post but my god even I know you don't call a middle aged woman over the hill to her face. Jesus.

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I'm so curious what Sean is thinking as a viewer of the series. Surely he can see that Abby is using him in order to secure a commitment from Chris. 

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