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19 hours ago, rmontro said:

They've been running new episodes on Discovery again.  The first part of search for the afterlife was pretty good.  I thought they were kind of referencing "In Search Of" for the title though.

I never would have guessed in a million years that Josh would be friends with Chip Coffey.

From the way Josh was talking, it sounds like he wouldn’t have, either. 

I was surprised at how interesting the first Afterlife episode was — I don’t know what I was expecting, but I should have trusted Josh & company, since they once achieved something I thought was impossible: they made the Boer War interesting. Clearly anything he covers will interest me. 

I discovered last week that one of my cousins has been searching for Fenn’s treasure for the past few years. If he weren’t so anti-TV I’d wonder if he got the idea from Josh. 

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Josh used to show up on Ghost Hunters when he was filming Destination Truth. Chip Coffey would do appearances with some of the GH people. I thought that might be how they met.

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On 10/12/2018 at 12:24 AM, jennblevins said:

I discovered last week that one of my cousins has been searching for Fenn’s treasure for the past few years. 

Oh, that's kind of cool.  And I agree, the Afterlife episode was more interesting than I thought it would be.

On 10/12/2018 at 12:32 AM, badhaggis said:

Josh used to show up on Ghost Hunters when he was filming Destination Truth. Chip Coffey would do appearances with some of the GH people. I thought that might be how they met.

That's a good guess.  My girlfriend used to watch that show all the time, so I do remember both of them showing up.  At this point, I've had my fill of ghost hunting shows.  I was watching some reruns of Destination Truth, and my eyes glaze over for most of the "haunted sites" stuff.

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Afterlife Part Two:

I liked watching Josh get choked up when he was participating in the Hindu funeral.  Josh may be the coolest guy on TV.

The reincarnation regression was interesting, although of course I'm skeptical about it.  The comments by Deepok Chopra were enlightening.  

I don't think Professional Exorcist is a job I'd like to go to every day.

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“He’s in touch with a higher power, by which I mean, he’s friends with Oprah.”  Hah!

2 hours ago, rmontro said:

I liked watching Josh get choked up when he was participating in the Hindu funeral.  Josh may be the coolest guy on TV.

I haven’t managed to make it through the whole episode yet, because I started crying at the Hindu funeral and didn’t think I could handle any more. I felt like I was in good company, at least. Last week, it was the near-death-experience part that set me off. I don’t know if this was a good time or a bad time for these episodes — there was a death in my family recently and I’ve been finding them both comforting and stressful. 

I’ll be interested to see the exorcism bit when I manage to finish the episode — as of yet I’m not entirely certain what an exorcism has to do with the afterlife. 

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12 hours ago, jennblevins said:

I haven’t managed to make it through the whole episode yet, because I started crying at the Hindu funeral and didn’t think I could handle any more. I felt like I was in good company, at least. Last week, it was the near-death-experience part that set me off. I don’t know if this was a good time or a bad time for these episodes — there was a death in my family recently and I’ve been finding them both comforting and stressful.

I'm sorry to hear about your loss, but it's not just you.  I found those moments tear jerking as well.

As for the exorcism, I guess it is a bit of a stretch to associate it with the afterlife.  But it's along the lines of "If there's a God, there's a devil".  Josh said something similar to "If there are spiritual powers that offer comfort, there are others also that can attack you".  I'm sure I am nowhere close to what he said in that quote, but it was something like that.

Next week Josh is talking to Penn Gillette.  Since he is a well known atheist, I'm curious as to what possible association he could have with the afterlife.

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9 hours ago, rmontro said:

I'm sorry to hear about your loss, but it's not just you.  I found those moments tear jerking as well.

As for the exorcism, I guess it is a bit of a stretch to associate it with the afterlife.  But it's along the lines of "If there's a God, there's a devil".  Josh said something similar to "If there are spiritual powers that offer comfort, there are others also that can attack you".  I'm sure I am nowhere close to what he said in that quote, but it was something like that.

Next week Josh is talking to Penn Gillette.  Since he is a well known atheist, I'm curious as to what possible association he could have with the afterlife.

I thought the show explained the connection. They were talking about how some religions believe in heaven and hell, angels and demons in the afterlife. But then the question was raised that some believe that those representatives from the afterlife try to start influencing people before death, such as the possibility that people are possessed by demons.

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7 minutes ago, VMepicgrl said:

I thought the show explained the connection. They were talking about how some religions believe in heaven and hell, angels and demons in the afterlife. But then the question was raised that some believe that those representatives from the afterlife try to start influencing people before death, such as the possibility that people are possessed by demons.

Yeah, they definitely explained the connection, I just couldn't remember exactly what they said.  Thanks for clearing that up, your explanation makes a heckuva lot more sense than what I said.

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7 minutes ago, rmontro said:

Yeah, they definitely explained the connection, I just couldn't remember exactly what they said.  Thanks for clearing that up, your explanation makes a heckuva lot more sense than what I said.

You're welcome. I forget the exact wording, but that was the gist that I got from it.

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I was without any sort of cable for a couple of years and about 6-8 months ago, I discovered a streaming service, Philo, it's cheap, it doesn't have many channels, 40 is all, but I have become addicted to Discovery, Discovery Science and the Travel Channel, all of them airing Josh Gates shows. I love watching him, he's so fun, his fun is infectious, he's informative, I learn stuff all the time. Reminds me of the ancient days when Mythbusters started, they made science so much fun. It makes me rather regret not stretching out my History/Poly Sci studies to include more archaeology. In recent years, I've thought I would enjoy the field of cultural anthropology. I was never terribly interested in digging in dirt and I hate heat, but I like knowing what things were used for and how peoples of various times actually lived. 

But I don't care if it's a rerun, I don't care what the subject is and I don't care which show it is. I just enjoy Josh. I like watching him interact with locals, he does always seem respectful and charming. I enjoy his scarves. I enjoy watching him eat local delicacies. He's just such a pleasant break from nastiness and reality. 

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I have become so addicted to his shows over the past few months. I'm enjoying the Search for the After Life, but I think the Ruby Slippers after they were found is my favorite. My least favorite was the wooly mammoth. I prefer Expedition Unknown over Destination Truth, I liked Ghost Hunters for a long time, but I'm over ghost shows, I think Zach and his dude bros ruined them for me.

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3 hours ago, VMepicgrl said:

I thought the show explained the connection. They were talking about how some religions believe in heaven and hell, angels and demons in the afterlife. But then the question was raised that some believe that those representatives from the afterlife try to start influencing people before death, such as the possibility that people are possessed by demons.

Thanks — I was the one who was curious about the connection, because I haven’t managed to watch past the Hindu funeral yet. Since nobody in my family has been possessed by demons lately, I should hopefully be able to watch that part without falling apart. 

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20 hours ago, friendperidot said:

I prefer Expedition Unknown over Destination Truth

Oh, for sure.  Usually Expedition Unknown has some real historical background to it, whereas Destination Truth was mostly hokum - chasing spirits and cryptozoological creatures.

The only thing I miss about Destination Truth sometimes is that it had more of a "team" feel to it, the crew was on camera more frequently and was part of the investigation.

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Totally agree.  I like EU better all around.  But the one thing I do miss about DT is he interacted with his crew more.  Still I like and watch both shows and catch the reruns whenever I can.

I like his afterlife episodes.  I wasn't quite sure what to expect with them when he first announced it on Twitter.  But I do like what I am seeing so far.

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I've only watched the first afterlife episode and the follow up discussion show. While I enjoyed the episode, I recognized the neurosurgeon Josh had on right away and thought Josh might present some of the criticism of him and his story. Even without that, I don't consider his medical records as proof because they show his brain at its worst. If he had the experience he describes, I don't see how he could know it happened during the worst of his illness. Could have been a dream or hallucination as his brain was healing. I just think the afterlife shows are pretty one-sided, which I guess is ok since this is just an entertainment show. But it's not any kind of legitimate search for any kind of truth. 

Still like Josh. Still like the show, but big grain of salt time. 

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Afterlife part 3:  Didn't know this was going to be a four parter.

During the "Previously on Expedition Unknown" segment, they characterized demonic possession as "an incursion of the next world into ours".

They used Penn Gillette's atheistic stance of "there is no afterlife" to introduce the idea of extending our current life through artificial means, such as cryogenics or transferring ourselves into computer data.

The segment on the Tojaran people was interesting, as was their architecture.  The way they view the buffalo reminded me of the Atlantis episodes and the way several ancient cultures worshipped bulls.  As for keeping the dead relatives around and interacting with them, they really lost me in the After Show when they mentioned they change their clothes.  I'll pass on that duty, thanks.

The cliffhanger was Josh taking the ayahuascha.  Hallucinogenics on Expedition Unknown, never expected to see that.  Josh says he "doesn't do drugs" but he is regularly seen drinking on the show.  Alcohol is a drug.  They lost me on this experience when they talked about the vomiting (and other side effects).

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I just watch Afterlife: Quest for Immortality aired 10/21/2018. Does anyone know the name of the song and who the artist is of the song that was playing during Josh's recording his brainwaves in Moscow? 

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14 hours ago, Neuroglide said:

I just watch Afterlife: Quest for Immortality aired 10/21/2018. Does anyone know the name of the song and who the artist is of the song that was playing during Josh's recording his brainwaves in Moscow? 

Sorry.  From the lyrics it sounds like it should be called "Hot Wired", but while there are many songs with that title, I couldn't find one that resembled the song on the show.  I wonder if they produce their own music for Expedition Unknown?  They often have a segment where a song plays, but I don't think I've heard of any of them before.

I thought the conclusion of the Afterlife series limped to a stop.  The ayahuascha trip was interesting, but I didn't care about the ghost hunting trip on the Queen Mary.  Although it was nice to see Grant Wilson, just for old times sake.  They'd been promising a "final answer" in this episode, which seemed overly ambitious, to say the least.  Apparently to Josh and the producers, the answer is still up in the air, but you can see the afterlife in your children.  I thought "Well, that's great, but I don't have any kids lol". 

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On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 7:11 PM, rmontro said:

Apparently to Josh and the producers, the answer is still up in the air, but you can see the afterlife in your children.  I thought "Well, that's great, but I don't have any kids lol". 

I'm childless and that didn't give me a lot of comfort either!  I do have a personal story of the afterlife that gives me hope, however.  A few hours after my father died I was out mowing my lawn, because I had to do something.   My dad spoke to me clear as if he were standing right next to me.  It completely unexpected and was a one time thing but it happened and I'm grateful for it.  There have been other smaller things in the past two years that could be coincidences or could be some kind of spiritual intervention, but hearing his voice that day was unequivocal evidence that he 'survived' after death as far as I'm concerned.

Josh's experience with the ayahuascha was uncomfortable to watch.  It sounded like an acid trip, not an afterlife experience.  I expected him to write a psychedelic song afterwards!  I also remain deeply skeptical of the guy at the cemetery who supposedly spoke to the dead.  Why do they always do the "the name starts with an M" thing?  If the spirit is communicating with them and has specific things to say to their loved ones, why can't they tell him their name?

It was an interesting four episodes but it could have been distilled down to two pretty easily.  Stories like the Gate to Hell where the priests survived because the heavy lethal gases were lower than their heads don't have anything to do with the afterlife at all.

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Oh, Frost, I know what you mean, a few hours after my Dad died, I was sitting at my computer and I heard him call my name. It was just that one time, but it's been 18 years and it still gives me comfort. He has visited me in dreams, they're usually pretty vague and my Mom has too. She said that after Dad died, she would be in bed and would feel someone sit down on the side of the bed and sit there for a minute then feel the change in the mattress when he left. It gives me comfort and I talk to them, usually asking them to do something about my siblings or give me lottery numbers. So far, nothing, my sibs are still screwing up and I haven't won a lottery.

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4 hours ago, Frost said:

It was an interesting four episodes but it could have been distilled down to two pretty easily.  Stories like the Gate to Hell where the priests survived because the heavy lethal gases were lower than their heads don't have anything to do with the afterlife at all.

Yeah, they definitely stretched it out longer than it needed to be.  That last episode was almost all filler to me.  I also agree the ayahuascha was just an hallucinogen, but that doesn't mean the local natives don't view it as something more.  Similar to how native Americans used peyote, I suppose.

I'm also suspicious of psychics, and it's even harder to get confirmation from seeing them on television, which is subject to editing.

I believe in God, but I don't think that much about the afterlife.  In that sense, I guess I'm kind of like those Jewish folk who were focused on the here and now - Buddhists are that way also.

I don't agree with Penn Gillette.  I thought his outlook was very much "the glass is half empty".  He said it was a comfort to not believe in a God who allowed pain to exist.  But that seems like he is using a human experience and standard to judge something that is much bigger.  Like can there be light without darkness to contrast it?  It just seems like a very narrow minded view.

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I’m watching a new episode: Mysteries of American Outlaws. I didn’t expect it to be what I’m watching, but he has pulled a few scores out in the first hour. Not the big prize. I just expected more historical references to people like Billy the Kidd, Wyatt Earp, Wild Bill Hickock, etc. Not some guy named Plummer that I’d never heard of. 

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Mindthinkr, I had seen parts of that one before, but I was paying more attention at the beginning this time. I was amused, I'm from Kansas City, I grew up pronouncing it Missoura, but that changed when I moved to WDC and got teased, most of the time I say Missouri now, except when I say, "I'm from Missoura, Show Me!" But the town where Billy the Kid is from is pronounced Carny, not however Josh mangled it, it's spelled Kearney. As everyplace does, the Midwest has a lot of familiar spellings of places that have very different pronunciations. Nevada, Missouri is pronounced Nevayda, Versailles is pronounced Versales. Miami Oklahoma is Miamah and on and on and on.

My step-grandfather in rural Arkansas had mules, but other than they pulled his wagon into town very slowly when I was a kid, I didn't know much about them. I didn't know they were skittish around water, that was interesting. I did know there were some beautiful places in southern Missouri, the Mark Twain National Forest is gorgeous, the Ozarks are gorgeous. And even though I live in Tulsa and I pretty much, officially, hate Oklahoma, the state does have some beautiful places.

But Josh getting into the local wardrobe was amusing as ever. Most anything goes in KC, except maybe the embroidered sombrero, that's a big "NO" as a look for anyone except maybe in a parade or a Mariachi band. But KC barbecue is fabulous, Gates, "Hi! May I hep you?" is not my favorite, but I do miss good barbecue.

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On 9/24/2018 at 1:56 AM, rmontro said:

I also liked the Nazis in Argentina

What cracks me up about that episode is that they were not the only tv show filming the same topic at the same time.  I can just hear the Argentinian people saying, "Americans be crazy".

On 11/7/2018 at 12:16 PM, friendperidot said:

Oh, Frost, I know what you mean, a few hours after my Dad died, I was sitting at my computer and I heard him call my name. It was just that one time, but it's been 18 years and it still gives me comfort.

I had a similar experience and we are all non-believers.

I like Josh, I do, but his show is soooooo slow moving I literally fall asleep.

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13 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

What cracks me up about that episode is that they were not the only tv show filming the same topic at the same time.  I can just hear the Argentinian people saying, "Americans be crazy".

I wouldn't doubt that at all, and they are likely right.  But they can't really deny that there was a Nazi presence in Argentina after the war.

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I'm not impressed with Josh in the Mammoth episode.  I thought he was an archeologist.  The way they were tramping around and hacking up mammoth bones in that crater horrified me.  He got way too caught up in the thrill of the hunt.  Cloning freaks me out anyway and people deciding to try and recreate something that went extinct tens of thousands of years ago just because they can is the height of human arrogance.

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Just wondering about the new show coming up soon called Legend Hunter. Any thoughts? I will probably give it a chance. I do hope the host has some of the charm of Josh. Because to me, much of what makes this show work is Josh. I can understand him wanting to cut back on his travel and being away from home, he now has 2 young children and like all of us, he's not getting any younger and he gets himself into lots of situations, I know the drama and danger is played up for show, but he does go a lot of places where angels fear to tread.

I watched part of the episode about Stone Hinge with Megan Fox. I was bored out of my mind. I hope she's not going to be hosting a regular show. I'm all for a woman explorer and host, but she wasn't it for me.

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On 12/26/2018 at 7:51 PM, friendperidot said:

Just wondering about the new show coming up soon called Legend Hunter. Any thoughts? I will probably give it a chance. I do hope the host has some of the charm of Josh. Because to me, much of what makes this show work is Josh. I can understand him wanting to cut back on his travel and being away from home, he now has 2 young children and like all of us, he's not getting any younger and he gets himself into lots of situations, I know the drama and danger is played up for show, but he does go a lot of places where angels fear to tread.

I watched part of the episode about Stone Hinge with Megan Fox. I was bored out of my mind. I hope she's not going to be hosting a regular show. I'm all for a woman explorer and host, but she wasn't it for me.

I could only give the Megan Fox one 5 mins, if that.  Deck. Absolute dreck.  I've been seeing this Casey Anderson guy but he is more cryptographic looking more for monster animals. Dunno, still out on that one

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