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Yeah, I actually quite liked this episode but there is a bizarre shift from season one and season two, especially in regards to Robert. I'm happy with the new Robert, but it's kind of jarring, the difference, and yes, his ability to hand over a check for more than I make a year without blinking, and take the kids to Italy for two months (not to mention, be able TO just take off for two months). It does all seem very unrealistic. And yeah, kind of like Carrie and the chicks were all more fiscally realistic in the first season or two of SATC but then all wound up in nothing but outrageous pricey designer wear later on. I know we want escapism, but I like some realism too, and I hope the show doesn't go too far down that path.  I mean, if it comes back.

Molly Shannon continues to bug.

I understood Frances' initial reaction to not wanting to let the kids go. It's a long period of time for them to be away, and it's something she wanted to do for/with them herself. It would sting--more than sting--to watch them be able to do that with the new woman in your ex's life, no matter who you are. She came around and let them go, which she really didn't have to do. I didn't think she was being selfish, or if she was, it was very human of her.

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2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I'm trying to figure out what this show is trying to say - about divorce, or just in general. And I'm not really sure. There was a jarring shift in the tone between Season 1 and Season 2. Frances is the one who wanted out of the marriage but Robert is the one who got to move on and be much happier and more successful with someone else. Frances, on the other hand, has had one beat down after another - the guy she was having an affair with didn't want to be with her and that was her main reason for wanting a divorce. She finally got her dream artist to show and then promptly got dumped by her. Her dating prospects have turned out to be jerks. The kids are leaving and she's in empty nest territory and even her friends are starting to turn on her. And after all is said and done she keeps turning to Robert just for the comfort of it.

What I'm getting out of this is that Frances should never have gotten divorced and should have appreciated her lot in life because now she's worse off but everyone else is better off. And I honestly don't think that's what the show is trying to say but that's what I'm seeing play out.

If nothing else this show just seems to be character study for the sake of character study without any real story to tell. In which case I see no reason for them to make another season.

That's quite a leap, no? Robert went from living in an unfinished house with no running water and working construction jobs just to get by to suddenly having 75 grand to hand over to his ex. Now, I get it - he sold that house. But still. I can't imagine he got that much profit out of it considering how long he had to sit on it. In fact I'd be surprised if he wasn't still in the red, just less so. If nothing else, this speaks to how little the writers have given thought to the realities of finances.

There's an article with the show runner for season 2 in the Media thread.  Basically she explains that she made the show about relationships between these characters.

The original show runner left over creative differences.  So one can surmise that he wouldn't have taken the show in the direction they did in season 2.

Basically it was rebooted, with them putting the divorce quickly behind them  rather than drawing it out more than they did in season 1.

 

As for Robert's finances, I think some months have supposedly passed between episode 7 and 8.  I thought they referred to "months" of them flipping houses with Robert remodeling them.  So the profits are from more than one flip, so they could take the kids to Europe for two months.  That is serious money, unless they all plan to stay in hostels and rarely eat out.  But of course we know that's not how Jackie will travel.

Still, as I noted above, they're still way too casual with passing a $75k check around.

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As for Robert's finances, I think some months have supposedly passed between episode 7 and 8.  I thought they referred to "months" of them flipping houses with Robert remodeling them.  So the profits are from more than one flip, so they could take the kids to Europe for two months.  That is serious money, unless they all plan to stay in hostels and rarely eat out.  But of course we know that's not how Jackie will travel.

Didn't Robert say they were staying in a villa owned by a friend of Jackie's?  While I'm sure they will do mini-trips around Europe, I think the main focus of the trip is Italy. 

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14 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

Didn't Robert say they were staying in a villa owned by a friend of Jackie's?  While I'm sure they will do mini-trips around Europe, I think the main focus of the trip is Italy. 

Yes! That is what Robert said. Having traveled quite a bit I’d say there’s a big difference cost wise when you are in a hotel and have to basically eat all of your major meals out vs staying where you have a kitchen and can dine out once per day (sometimes lunch where you get the same great food but at less cost than dinner). That way they can save their coins for a rail pass and can do a lot of day trips. 

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23 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

 I liked the show also .. It's the cast I wasn't crazy about especially SJP and Shannon.   Yes, SJP is not Carrie anymore, and it annoys me that she still acts like her at her age.  I would have liked to see more of the divorce problems, but it went from not getting along to practically besties overnight.  That's why I think this show is done as they wrapped everything up.  I wouldn't want to see Carrie come back in the dating scene.  She's too old for that and not cutesy anymore.  Maybe Andy Cohen will make her a New York housewife and she could continue skipping around the city and the Hamptons.

Women of all ages do continue to date when they are single.

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From certain angles, Skip -- or the actor who plays him, Marton Csokas -- looks like a younger and more fancypants version of Chris Noth. Which really helps the show distinguish itself from being Sex and the City: the Suburbs Years.

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There's an article with the show runner for season 2 in the Media thread.  Basically she explains that she made the show about relationships between these characters.

This is just a personal preference, obviously, but Character Study for the sake of Character Study is about the least compelling kind of writing I can imagine. There has to be some story to tell otherwise I feel like the writing is self-indulgent and pretentious like all those emo movies about teens in the 80s. 

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On 3/5/2018 at 12:22 AM, scrb said:

Well they might as well call this Post-Divorce, because they seemed to have both settled into their separate lives.  Show was originally suppose to be about the drawn-out process of a messy divorce but maybe they kind of rebooted it to make it about life after divorce for these middle-aged upper middle class characters.

Frances has taken several jumps on the trampoline and has landed on her feet.

At the beginning of the season, they both faced financial as well as emotional uncertainty.  Now, Robert can write $75k checks and casually give it to Frances, who can casually endorse it to Diane, who can drunkenly lose it at some dive bar.

Frances says she didn't get into the art business to make money yet it just happens to be a potentially lucrative field.  So she can afford to sanctimoniously reject Skip's rather generous offer?  Maybe she will wise up next season, though I haven't heard of an official renewal.

Good for Diane to go back to the cosmetics counter at the department store rather than back to Boca but can you live in New York these days working retail?  Maybe if there's another season, they'll explore that.  I think they're good comic relief so I hope they and the show returns.

Another possible title:  Money and the (rich upstate) Suburbs.

as a normal, sane person who values money, i was outraged at the handling of freakin' $75,000!!! what the hell???

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Well that explains why this season has been almost completely the product of SATC writers - and unsurprisingly, completely insufferable in the ways that SATC was prone towards. 

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I've only made it halfway through this episode so far (completely forgot about it with the Oscars last Sunday). I made it as far as Diane drunk in the dive bar and I'm not sure I can even tolerate the next fifteen minutes.

The VERY first thing I thought about with "Jackie and Robert taking their kids to Europe for two months was" what about all the drama with the son and daughter hooking up? That just didn't happen, or didn't amount to any continuing overriding concerns about them being in close quarters suddenly? I mean... it was played for a rather big deal in an episode or two.  Frankly, even without that, I wouldn't let my children spend 2/3 of the summer in Italy with their dad and his jumpoff.

It's a shame Sharon Horgan seems to have completely abandoned this project; it's an utter mess without her. 

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Ah!  New showrunner for Season 2--that explains a lot.  I posted somewhere earlier that SJP needed a firm hand to overrule her ingrained mannerisms--as Redford did with Mary Tyler Moore in Ordinary People--but that will never happen with SJP as an Executive Producer.  Score!

 

The first time I liked self-centered, superficial Diane was in this episode, when she had a pragmatic inkling and marched herself back to the glove counter to start again.

 

I'd definitely watch a third season.  These characters may have developed in questionable ways, but I've already invested in the development and I'd happily snark about where they go next.  (I have ten hours of Here & Now and Counterpart waiting for me and the thought makes me tired.)

Good board; thanks for the thoughtful comments.  Cheers!

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Fances is somebody who's always wanted to live in the city. What would happen, if she moved to the city, now that she's single? What does that look like? What does Robert's success look like, now that he has money? He's never had money. He's a complete f*ck-up. For him, money is a challenge

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Although their kids, Tom and Lila, are still in school in the suburbs, previews for the Season 2 finale show that Frances may be joining professional forces with Skip Zakarian after he poached Sylvia from her. That could possibly lead her to relocate to New York City. And Robert and Jackie's real estate partnership appears to be moving forward, which will give Robert that cash flow that Bicks mentioned.

 

 

Uh, does the showrunner know we have already had a show where SJP was single living in the city and dating millionaires? Also, the biggest problem Robert will have is being rich?

Will it also include fabulous apartments they could never afford in real life and designer clothing?

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Hollywood Reporter comedy actress roundtable with Molly Shannon (Divorce), Rachel Brosnahan (The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel), Frankie Shaw (SMILF), Drew Barrymore (Santa Clarita Diet), Debra Messing (Will & Grace), Alison Brie (GLOW), and Tracee Ellis Ross (Black-ish):

Edited by ElectricBoogaloo

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The word on a Divorce Season 3 coming out of HBO's TCA presentation was: they are working on season 3 but it hasn't been renewed:

https://deadline.com/2018/07/divorce-season-3-renewal-sarah-jessica-parker-hbo-comedy-series-canceled-or-renewed-1202433569/

I find this sort of bizarre. They are going to let the writers write scripts, then they'll read the scripts and decide if the show is worth continuing? If that's true, I'm not sure they should be publicizing that. If they still end up cancelling the show before they start filming, then a lot of people will be out of jobs with the perception it's the writers' fault. It feels like the show is more or less cancelled but they wanted to create a scenario to stroke SJP's ego, so they created this narrative where she herself might read the scripts and say, no, I think we're done here.

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Well second season they kind of rebooted with a new show runner so maybe they want to see which direction they'd go.

I don't think the ratings were great but HBO still shows clips from the show when they have these promos of all their shows.

 

Probably depends also on other shows they have in the pipeline.

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S2 was terrible and it's no doubt due to the fact that SJP brought in someone from her SATC days to be showrunner. The whole season felt very Carrie Bradshaw to me. I'm not shocked that HBO wants to see some scripts first before they continue with SATC 2.0 Divorce S3. They should just cancel it and move on.

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On 7/26/2018 at 5:05 PM, LilaFowler said:

S2 was terrible and it's no doubt due to the fact that SJP brought in someone from her SATC days to be showrunner. The whole season felt very Carrie Bradshaw to me. I'm not shocked that HBO wants to see some scripts first before they continue with SATC 2.0 Divorce S3. They should just cancel it and move on.

Right down to the zillionaire falling head over heels for her.

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