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I hated that it was Wolverine-centric (and I'm a Wolvie fan), but there were aspects that I thought were OK. Didn't it end with, like, an Age of Apocalypse cliffhanger?

 

I hated Wolverine and The X-Men; hated Rogue in this one, and how Cyc was turned into a schmoopy mess who couldn't or wouldn't move on after Jean's "death."  All I remember from the last episode was that Jean was alive. I've blanked out so much of it, I don't even know if it ended on the Apocalypse cliffhanger or not. Blech.

 

And I'm a HUGE fan of Logan/Wolverine but this was all kinds of wrong. With Xavier "dead", it should have been CYCLOPS leading the X-Men.

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I hated Wolverine and The X-Men; hated Rogue in this one, and how Cyc was turned into a schmoopy mess who couldn't or wouldn't move on after Jean's "death."  All I remember from the last episode was that Jean was alive. I've blanked out so much of it, I don't even know if it ended on the Apocalypse cliffhanger or not. Blech.

 

And I'm a HUGE fan of Logan/Wolverine but this was all kinds of wrong. With Xavier "dead", it should have been CYCLOPS leading the X-Men.

 

…it was too influenced by the films IMO…especially Rogue and Cyc and especially Logan's role in the series…

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While the animation had mistakes here and there...usually coloring mistakes on the costumes or hair (Rogue having solid brown here and there...)...I loved the look of the series...The animators really tried to capture the essence of the characters at that moment in time and capture the look of the comic...that's one thing I'll always love and appreciate about the cartoon.  I appreciate Evolution and W&TX-M doing their own thing...but I loved the 90's series for keeping itself rooted in the comics, even with the roster at that time for past stories...

 

...Hands down, my favorite episode(s) were the Beyond Good And Evil multi-part.  Apocalypse, Magneto, Sinister, Sabretooth, Mystique, The Nasty Boys...I'm a sucker for my villain team-ups...IIRC, didn't Psylocke make an appearance in the arc too?  

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Yea Psylocke did make an appearance and was captured by Magneto I think because Apocalypse needed all the telepaths. I did like the interaction between Archangel and Psylocke. Psylocke is one of my favorite X-Men characters.

 

I did like the NIghtcrawler episode. I just think I like any episode that has Rogue in it minus Mojovision lol. Wolverine questioning religion and God, but one thing I didn't like was that Gambit was taken out of action yet again. Then again the second episode that featured Mojo wasn't bad at all and was watchable minus Jubilee.

 

I did find Jubilee so irritating, she was really useless and wish that they had put someone else on the team besides her.

 

As far as villains go I liked Sabretooth. I really do like Sabretooth in the comics too as well as in the series.

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 I just think I like any episode that has Rogue in it minus Mojovision lol. Wolverine questioning religion and God, but one thing I didn't like was that Gambit was taken out of action yet again. Then again the second episode that featured Mojo wasn't bad at all and was watchable minus Jubilee.

 

What was the second episode with Mojo? All I recall is the one where the X-Men were captured and forced into those TV shows.

 

Jubilee irritated the crap out of me, too. I really don't remember her being a whiny brat in the comics. She was more feisty and sassy, and generally more like a teen. Cartoon Jubilee was a child.

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The 2nd episode featuring Mojo is called "Longshot" it's when Longshot stumbles into the X-Men's dimension with no memory and comes to find out that he's on the run from Mojo who's after him. Jubilee ends up having a crush on Longshot and she's taken hostage by Mojo where Longshot, Rogue, Beast, & Wolverine have to save her by defeating Mojo's army which of course is broadcasted on t.v.

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I also like the episode with Nightcrawler finding out about Mystique---I tear up at the ending when Mystique turns to Nightcrawler and as she cries and starts talking, she's blasted off the bridge--an emotional scene to me...and for the longest time, it's still one of my favorites, but one of my all-time favorites was always the Season 1 finale with the X-Men and Magneto teaming up against Master Mold and the Sentinels...I can still see the Professor piloting the blackbird into Master Mold...actually I can watch Season 1 over and over, I just love it.

 

I've always had a soft spot for Mojo...glad to see some Mojo love...and Spiral too, she's one of my favorites.

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Apocalypse: I am the rocks of the eternal shore. Crash against me and be broken!

 

I always thought that line was badass! :)

 

Many of Gambit's made me laugh:

 

- When he caught Rogue admiring the Shi'ar (?) crystal, he was all, "You like it, chere? Gambit get you one for Christmas."

- When he emerged from a dangerous situation, Rogue "kissed" him, said "I hate you!" and then hugged him. His reply? "I don't understand this woman." Heh.

 

Then there were the over-the-top schmaltzy lines:

 

"If we die...we die together" (goes in for a kiss)

Later, when they regain consciousness, collapsed together on the floor: "If dis is hell...it not so bad."

 

And a brief yet lovely nod to the importance of consent...

 

When Rogue accused him of stealing a kiss from her (not knowing that a shapeshifter had taken her form and enticed him) "Gambit don't NEVER go where he's not invited!"

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Damn. I'm going to break out the dvds and watch this again, aren't I? You are all making me nostalgic!!!

 

I remember enjoying the episode where the X-Men are stuck in some jungle under a cloud in the arctic and there's some force-field which renders their powers obsolete. I liked seeing them try to cope with fighting etc. without their default being available. Also, as someone who cheered for Gambit and Rogue, I think I spent an embarrassingly large amount of time yelling "why aren't you kissing???" at the screen. ;)

 

On that topic, even as a young'un watching the show, I remember being puzzled by the Rogue/Gambit "touch" problem. If she held skin-to-skin contact for too long, she could hurt someone, right? And for a mutant, she'll temporarily have their powers, right? So, stick to QUICK touches/caresses! And if you want to prolong the touch, just take precautions. I mean, if you wanna kiss, just put some plastic film between your faces! Wear gloves and hold hands. Cuddle while clothed. What's the big deal? Wanna have sex? Stay mostly clothed and add a condom. Problem solved. Ahem. I think I spent too much time thinking about this. :D

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Wear gloves and hold hands. Cuddle while clothed. What's the big deal? Wanna have sex? Stay mostly clothed and add a condom. Problem solved. Ahem. I think I spent too much time thinking about this. :D

 

You are far from the only one who a) had options and b) thought too much about it. I think anyone who read comics on the regular and certainly those who wrote fanfic came up with any number of ways those two could get it on without Gambit getting zapped.

 

And the thing is, it wasn't prolonged touch that did it. Basically, whenever Rogue touched anyone for a moment she absorbed them... prolonged contact made it extremely dangerous and unlikely that the victim would recover. Prolonged contact is how Rogue permanently absorbed Carol Danvers. So the show was following comic continuity as it was then. Any touch from Rogue was dangerous but could be recovered from... prolonged contact was far more dangerous.

 

But seriously, so many people came up with options it was ridiculous how long it took Marvel to finally move forward. I mean... years and years and years later. The downside is... I don't even recognize comic Rogue anymore.

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Having watched most of the show again over the summer, I think the writers wrote their relationship inconsistently.  Especially in season 4 and 5, which was odd, given how their relationship was developed over the first 3 seasons.  But I think the show in general took a dip in quality after the Dark Phoenix arc, though the Apocalypse/time travel stuff was interesting.  His hyperbolic monologues are the stuff of legend.

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I also like the episode with Nightcrawler finding out about Mystique---I tear up at the ending when Mystique turns to Nightcrawler and as she cries and starts talking, she's blasted off the bridge--an emotional scene to me...and for the longest time, it's still one of my favorites, but one of my all-time favorites was always the Season 1 finale with the X-Men and Magneto teaming up against Master Mold and the Sentinels...I can still see the Professor piloting the blackbird into Master Mold...actually I can watch Season 1 over and over, I just love it.

 

Speaking of Mystique I did like how Rogue wouldn't harm Mystique even though she could if she wanted to. In a Rogue's Tale she just put Mystique gently down on the roof towards the end of the episode and when Mystique was going to frame Gambit for the assassination of the President, instead of having the X-Men capture Mystique, Rogue got her out of there. Even in "Come the Apocalypse" or "The Cure" forgot which one when Mystique told Rogue about Apocalypse's plans to turn mutants into his Horseman Rogue just let her go while Mystique instead shot her.

 

 

On that topic, even as a young'un watching the show, I remember being puzzled by the Rogue/Gambit "touch" problem. If she held skin-to-skin contact for too long, she could hurt someone, right? And for a mutant, she'll temporarily have their powers, right? So, stick to QUICK touches/caresses! And if you want to prolong the touch, just take precautions. I mean, if you wanna kiss, just put some plastic film between your faces! Wear gloves and hold hands. Cuddle while clothed. What's the big deal? Wanna have sex? Stay mostly clothed and add a condom. Problem solved. Ahem. I think I spent too much time thinking about this. :D

 

I think they were a little inconsistent with Rogue's "touch" problem. Like when she touched Wolverine in the "Night of the Sentinels", Pyro, Ms. Marvel, the Pilot, Mystique, Cody, in "A Rogue's Tale" along with the Cop, and Jean Grey/Phoenix you know it didn't make her scream like she was in pain but when she touched Juggernaut, Sauron, Archangel, and when an angry mob touched her in the "Nightcrawler" episode she screamed out like it hurt. So I was like is it people that she touches for a long period of time that makes her scream? Cause when she touched Ms. Marvel & Jean Grey/Phoenix it was for a good lengthy time and she didn't scream, well except for Jean she did but that was cause the Phoenix blasted her off of her.

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I do hold this cartoon responsible for the 98% of Rogue/Gambit fanficcers insisting that Gambit constantly spoke in the 3rd person. "Remy thinks dis... Gambit feels dat." Ugh. He had one quote in the comics "Don't nobody know that Gambit likes a challenge" -- ONE. And it became a thing. Such a ridiculous thing that it became hard to listen to. Period.

 

And Remy is one of my absolute favorite X-characters.

 

I liked a lot of the cartoon but I really hated the way they portrayed Jean (another one of my all time favorites.) It was absolutely inconceivable to me that they had Jean constantly fainting when she is significantly more powerful in the comics even without the Phoenix Force (and I'm not even going to get into what the various retcons of the Phoenix Force even involve.) But I also had trouble when they took a storyline from the comics and tried to tie it into the cartoon team. I think they did as good a job with the Phoenix storyline as they could but that's such a major storyline all the way through that it always fell short. Not as badly as the movies did. (Holy crap, do not get me started.)

 

The X-men have a long history of having really great, layered, powerful women in their ranks so to see them get marginalized so much in the cartoon was very frustrating.

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Kinda feel the same way about Storm, she's one of the most powerful women in the X-Men universe but she would on more than one occasion be taken out of action first. Now I understand for the cartoon they probably had to dwindle down Jean and Storm's powers and not make them so powerful but Jean's fainting and klutzy behavior was just silly as well as Storm being taken out by a single blast.

 

I'm gonna talk about the movie briefly or lengthy depends on how you look at it lol, but it drew me away the first one that I could barely look at the sequels to it. Cause Anna Paquin is no Rogue, there was no Gambit and barely used in the Wolverine: Origins film, gave Storm the worst line in movie history with that toad lightning crap plus Halle is no Storm, and Famke was just ill suited to play Jean. One of my favorite villains Sabretooth just looked stupid and I love Sabretooth in the comics and the animated series.

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Notice when it was Rogue, Gambit, Wolverine, and Beast against the Nasty Boys when they went to save Jean & Cyclops. When Rogue saved Gambit from Gorgeous George, he wrapped himself around Rogue and she spun him off of her. You seen him fly like a good couple of feet or maybe yards away from her but Slab calls out to Rogue and Gorgeous lands on Slab and the next shot you see Rogue looking down at them. That's just not possible.

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37 minutes ago, The Crazed Spruce said:

Created this thread pretty much just so I could share this.... :)

 

Pretty!  They all look like their characters from the 90s 'toon-Except for Jean.

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Got redirected to the Japanese intros by TVTropes.

Damn, why couldn't we get these guys? Beast isn't being Blue Brian Griffin, the team is slaughtering the Brood, and Wolverine and Omega Red are Ninja Gaiden-jumping off walls while attacking each other. And while the Honest Trailer does bring me back . . . I maintain that X-Men: Evolution was the better series.

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There was a rumor that Kevin Bacon was supposed to be Sinister when they were casting First Class. He would have been good as Sinister. 

Given the way the character was written, he should have been Sinister to begin with.

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Here's a favorite of mine from this show - and one I sometimes quote... I may not get it word for word though. In the scene Storm offers Hank an apple, reminiscent of the garden of Eden.

Hank: As a scientist, I have always resisted the notion that it was knowledge that destroyed paradise.

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On 9/30/2016 at 5:09 AM, AndySmith said:

I liked Famke as Jean. I thought it was good casting.

At least compared to Anna Paquin who seemed very out of place.  Personally, I thought Kelsey Grammar was weird yet inspired casting (and the only good idea of X-Men 3.)

I loved rediscovering the series on Netflix.  Binged my way through 4.5 seasons.  The less said about the final episodes, the better. 

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Well, the thing with Anna was they seemed to want Rogue to be the Kitty Pryde of the franchise at first, before actually giving us an actual Kitty later on. In that context, I thought Anna worked all right, though I did prefer the comic book version of Rogue.

Kelsey was definitely inspired casting.

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21 minutes ago, The Crazed Spruce said:

You guys know that this forum's for the 90's animated series, and not the movies, right?  Quicksilver only showed up in, like, two episodes.

Interesting episodes; The Twins meeting their father for the 1st time and a 2-parter dealing with an alien SPIRE (Phalanx)! Magneto was coming off a lot better! ;-)XMen043.jpg

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As much as I enjoyed the show during it's original run, and look back on it somewhat fondly (those ruby colored quartz glasses help), the Japanese intros for the show were probably together much cooler than the actual show itself. Shock! Cry for the moon!

 

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The Japanese openings are pretty cool except that if you just went by the first one you'd have no idea what Rogue was even about. Hey, she hovers. And winks! The second one at least shows her grappling with a bad guy. Although the second one also gives us cheesy anime love triangle animated with Scott, Jean and Logan. Erghh...

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