Jill & Derick Dullard: Counting On (Donations)

[lookeyloo 13.7k]

23 hours ago, graefin said:

I'm going to answer this here since it was asked, but since I also realize it's off topic I'll try not to go too far into it.

It's "all or nothing" simply because vegan is, by definition, an ethical position:

Veganism was defined by The Vegan Society (founded by Donald Watson in 1944) between 1951 and 1979 as follows:
“The word ‘veganism’ denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude – as far as is possible and practicable – all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose.” (1979) 
“Veganism is a way of living which excludes all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, the animal kingdom, and includes a reverence for life.” (1964)
“The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals.” (1951)
“Veganism is a principle – that man has no right to exploit the creatures for his own ends – and no variation occurs.” (1951)
According to Leslie Cross (vice president of The Vegan Society) in a vegan humanity (where “man” should read “humans” here and above) “the idea that his fellow creatures might be used by man for self-interested purposes would be so alien to human thought as to be almost unthinkable.” (1951)
According to H. Jay Dinshah, founder of the American Vegan Society, “Vegan aims are much more than just ‘animal welfare’, with a bit more feed for the slaves, cleaner cages for the vivisected, or another box of bandages to plaster over the terminal cancer that is animal slavery and exploitation. In short we are abolitionists, though nonviolent ones, for how we accomplish something is every bit as important as that it is done (and often more so).” (1967)

Some people who label themselves "vegan" don't see it as a social justice issue but rather as a dietary preference. It's not just about food (people may think that because it happens that nonhuman animals are exploited in the greatest numbers for food) but about all ways in which they are used by us. To say that it's acceptable to "just deal with a little dairy" is saying a little exploitation and killing is acceptable; we'd never find it OK to do the same when it comes to human justice issues ("He'll be strictly not racist under those circumstances, but if he's out and above, he might make a concession here or there depending on the company," for example). That's what speciesism is about. Hope this helps clarify things a bit.

Well, besides what I said above about veganism not just being about food, her business obviously isn't vegan but she herself may be. Most vegans I know, however, would not feel comfortable funding the animal exploitation industries and have made their shops fully vegan.

My friend is vegan strictly for her health. She is not an animal fan at all and gives no thought to that part of veganism. So that’s why she can go off it at her whim

[queenanne 8.4k]

14 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

My friend is vegan strictly for her health. She is not an animal fan at all and gives no thought to that part of veganism. So that’s why she can go off it at her whim

Conversely, I know plain old vegetarians who are/have turned pescatarian, and their justification (after calling the carnivorous amongst us "meat fascists" for years running), is "Well, a shrimp is only slightly smarter than an amoeba."  I know another friend who was veggie until she turned over cooking duties to her husband, simply because she was squeamish about touching raw flesh. 

However, I do think there are some people who can't willy-nilly go off vegetarian/veganism, because as I am given to understand it, some folks' stomachs rebel after they get used to the lack of meat, which is sobering to contemplate.  I remember the girl next door when I was growing up, went to Sweden and came back vegetarian, and (this was back in the days when McDonalds still used beef tallow for their french fries, but it wasn't well publicized), she thought she could get away with choosing the fries when out with her friends after school.  Reportedly she then spent the entire car ride home, hanging her head out the window throwing up.

[lookeyloo 13.7k]

Just now, queenanne said:

Conversely, I know plain old vegetarians who are/have turned pescatarian, and their justification (after calling the carnivorous amongst us "meat fascists" for years running), is "Well, a shrimp is only slightly smarter than an amoeba."  I know another friend who was veggie until she turned over cooking duties to her husband, simply because she was squeamish about touching raw flesh. 

However, I do think there are some people who can't willy-nilly go off vegetarian/veganism, because as I am given to understand it, some folks' stomachs rebel after they get used to the lack of meat, which is sobering to contemplate.  I remember the girl next door when I was growing up, went to Sweden and came back vegetarian, and (this was back in the days when McDonalds still used beef tallow for their french fries, but it wasn't well publicized), she thought she could get away with choosing the fries when out with her friends after school.  Reportedly she then spent the entire car ride home, hanging her head out the window throwing up.

I guess it varies.  Said friend looks forward to her Christmas pork chops with no dietary consequences and eats fish/shrimp/crawfish when she feels like it.  I do remember those McDonald's fries-boy they were fabulous

[tabloidlover 9.2k]

Jill posted a live Instagram of the family on the way to the orthodontist this morning.   Actually doubted that he was still under the care of one.   

 

What really stood out to me is they literally have nothing to say to one another.  They each repeat that they are going to orthodontist, Derick  mentions running errands, and then he says something about “getting the stress out before school starts again”.  Whatever that means.   And of course Jill gives a few little laughs here and there.  They are so fucking odd

Edited January 10 by tabloidlover · Reason: One more thought...

[3 is enough 5.1k]

As far as Derick's grades go, I am assuming that law school grading works along the lines of medical school grading and a pass is somewhere around the 75% mark.  He did say in the video that he was starting class again soon.

Honestly though, I don't think he is stupid. I think he is a horrible person, and I disagree with his narrow minded views, but I think he is smart enough to get through law school.  It may not be easy, as he has the distractions of Jill and the boys working against him,  but he did get decent enough scores on the LSAT to get in, and that is something.

Of course, given his record, he may very well decide to quit.  That would hardly surprise me.  And the real challenge will be passing the bar exam and getting a decent job.  I don't see him putting in 60+ hour weeks to get ahead at a law firm.  He couldn't even hack regular hours at Wal-Mart.

I suppose he could open his own firm and handle wills and traffic tickets, maybe personal injury cases.  Or, of course, becoming a lawyer for Jesus.  

[BitterApple 98.2k]

Maybe Boob wants to have a lawyer in the fold for the next time Joshley gets in trouble...

[MzTori77 653]

It's obvious that Jill reads comments somewhere, because I heard her tell Israel to 'pull your straps up' 😁 She's been criticized routinely for incorrect car seat practices. 

[graefin 7.9k]

3 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

My friend is vegan strictly for her health. She is not an animal fan at all and gives no thought to that part of veganism. So that’s why she can go off it at her whim

Well, sure, except for the part where I explained that veganism isn't just about diet ;)

Oh, and I saw the first few minutes of Jill's live Insta vid. Those car seat straps are still dirty AF, but Israel's got sunglasses on, so maybe she's taking some criticisms to heart? Derick still drives like he has a stick up his ass, but it looks like it's been dislodged at least a little bit.

Edited January 10 by graefin

[libgirl2 5.3k]

3 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

I guess it varies.  Said friend looks forward to her Christmas pork chops with no dietary consequences and eats fish/shrimp/crawfish when she feels like it.  I do remember those McDonald's fries-boy they were fabulous

Yes they were. 

[ginger90 34.2k]

New blog post:

 

Congratulations Seewalds!

Jan 10, 2019 | Family Blog | 3 

We are so excited for Jessa and Ben on their recent pregnancy announcement of baby Seewald #3!! We can’t wait to meet the him or her!

[doodlebug 34.1k]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

New blog post:

 

Congratulations Seewalds!

Jan 10, 2019 | Family Blog | 3 

We are so excited for Jessa and Ben on their recent pregnancy announcement of baby Seewald #3!! We can’t wait to meet the him or her!

Translation:  I, Jill, am absolutely heartbroken that, once again, my YOUNGER sister has stolen the attention that is rightfully MINE and is bringing forth another blessing while I am stuck with just two not so special blessings.  This is MY season of life, dammit!

ETA: if our suspicions are correct and Jana is on the brink of a courtship and a wedding, one that will be embraced by the public in a way that Jill's never was, a wedding and courtship that will be part of the show while Jill and Derelict will be forced off to the side and out of sight; Jill may be on the edge of a breakdown just about now.  No way is she happy and excited, try frustrated and pissed off.

Edited January 10 by doodlebug

[yogi2014L 6.9k]

3 hours ago, 3 is enough said:

As far as Derick's grades go, I am assuming that law school grading works along the lines of medical school grading and a pass is somewhere around the 75% mark.  He did say in the video that he was starting class again soon.

Honestly though, I don't think he is stupid. I think he is a horrible person, and I disagree with his narrow minded views, but I think he is smart enough to get through law school.  It may not be easy, as he has the distractions of Jill and the boys working against him,  but he did get decent enough scores on the LSAT to get in, and that is something.

Of course, given his record, he may very well decide to quit.  That would hardly surprise me.  And the real challenge will be passing the bar exam and getting a decent job.  I don't see him putting in 60+ hour weeks to get ahead at a law firm.  He couldn't even hack regular hours at Wal-Mart.

I suppose he could open his own firm and handle wills and traffic tickets, maybe personal injury cases.  Or, of course, becoming a lawyer for Jesus.  

Maybe that is the only way he can think of to escape JIll. Become a lawyer and work all the dang time. haha. My SIL is a lawyer ( went to Harvard Law actually) and she literally is always working. Sundays, holidays, always.

Who knows what his end game is, but I agree with you that he could be book smart. He is not a good writer and has a hard time putting together analogies ( the 400 lb blog post comes to mind), so I doubt he would be amazing in the courtroom. I could see him drafting contracts or that sort of thing.

23 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Translation:  I, Jill, am absolutely heartbroken that, once again, my YOUNGER sister has stolen the attention that is rightfully MINE and is bringing forth another blessing while I am stuck with just two not so special blessings.  This is MY season of life, dammit!

ETA: if our suspicions are correct and Jana is on the brink of a courtship and a wedding, one that will be embraced by the public in a way that Jill's never was, a wedding and courtship that will be part of the show while Jill and Derelict will be forced off to the side and out of sight; Jill may be on the edge of a breakdown just about now.  No way is she happy and excited, try frustrated and pissed off.

Aren't Jill and Derick off the show anyway? 

I can't hate on this blog post. Not much to say about a third kid for anyone . LOL. Short and sweet. Maybe she is secretly happy as she has a hard time with the two kids she does have. 

[ginger90 34.2k]

14 minutes ago, yogi2014L said:

 

I can't hate on this blog post. Not much to say about a third kid for anyone . LOL. Short and sweet. Maybe she is secretly happy as she has a hard time with the two kids she does have. 

It’s for hits on their blog. She posted it on Twitter, twice now, I believe, and Instagram too.

[Trillium 4.7k]

11 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

It’s for hits on their blog. She posted it on Twitter, twice now, I believe, and Instagram too.

Yeah, saying congratulations is status update worthy, at best. Linking it to your blog that’s your sole source of income, is a major stretch. 

 

At least its not a recipe for ice she got from a dear friend. 

[doodlebug 34.1k]

54 minutes ago, yogi2014L said:

Maybe that is the only way he can think of to escape JIll. Become a lawyer and work all the dang time. haha. My SIL is a lawyer ( went to Harvard Law actually) and she literally is always working. Sundays, holidays, always.

Who knows what his end game is, but I agree with you that he could be book smart. He is not a good writer and has a hard time putting together analogies ( the 400 lb blog post comes to mind), so I doubt he would be amazing in the courtroom. I could see him drafting contracts or that sort of thing.

Aren't Jill and Derick off the show anyway? 

I can't hate on this blog post. Not much to say about a third kid for anyone . LOL. Short and sweet. Maybe she is secretly happy as she has a hard time with the two kids she does have. 

Yes, but I don't think that was Jill's choice and the fact that there is now another baby and perhaps another courtship/wedding to grab the spotlight on the show is only going to make her more upset that she's not on TV anymore.

[Portia 7.9k]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

New blog post:

 

Congratulations Seewalds!

Jan 10, 2019 | Family Blog | 3 

We are so excited for Jessa and Ben on their recent pregnancy announcement of baby Seewald #3!! We can’t wait to meet the him or her!

Okay, I know it's just a silly typo, but I can't help snickering at "the him or her." 

[graefin 7.9k]

Sooo, someone over on FJ posted that Jill had a live video on Instagram about a mouse running over her foot in the kitchen that was particularly worth watching in terms of its train-wreckiness.

In it, Derick is filming her literally sitting on the couch with her feet dangling in the air nearly hyperventilating. At the outset she keeps asking him whether it's "live" and he doesn't answer directly, although he insinuates that it is, and she says "it better not be," and then when he finally tells her outright that it is, she starts crying/wheezing/laughing/whatever. She comes across as either a complete loon or as someone with the maturity of a teenager.

I didn't watch the whole vid but skipped ahead to the next one, where Derick talks about shipping the mouse to anyone who is an "extreme mouse lover" or shooing him outside (although Jill is in favor of just killing him because she is so irrationally freaked out--so points for Derick here, I have to say!).

What's interesting is that the style of the video is Derick filming Jill and asking her to tell him what just happened, much in parallel to the way she films Israel, as if he's the parent and she's the kid.

[Trillium 4.7k]

2 minutes ago, graefin said:

Sooo, someone over on FJ posted that Jill had a live video on Instagram about a mouse running over her foot in the kitchen that was particularly worth watching in terms of its train-wreckiness.

In it, Derick is filming her literally sitting on the couch with her feet dangling in the air nearly hyperventilating. At the outset she keeps asking him whether it's "live" and he doesn't answer directly, although he insinuates that it is, and she says "it better not be," and then when he finally tells her outright that it is, she starts crying/wheezing/laughing/whatever. She comes across as either a complete loon or as someone with the maturity of a teenager.

I didn't watch the whole vid but skipped ahead to the next one, where Derick talks about shipping the mouse to anyone who is an "extreme mouse lover" or shooing him outside (although Jill is in favor of just killing him because she is so irrationally freaked out--so points for Derick here, I have to say!).

What's interesting is that the style of the video is Derick filming Jill and asking her to tell him what just happened, much in parallel to the way she films Israel, as if he's the parent and she's the kid.

Can he go one fucking day without being an ass?  

[Natalie68 25.8k]

On 1/8/2019 at 11:39 AM, Mindthinkr said:

I was in a fancy downtown French restaurant a few years ago. As most of the menu was shellfish or seafood (I’m allergic) I ordered a pork dish. After being served the table next to us began to berate me. “How dare you eat that. We are Jewish and the smell for us is not kosher. Send it back. Have you no shame?”  Well, first I don’t think they are allowed to eat shellfish either. Second, wasn’t it rude of them to butt into my dining experience?  My meal was ruined as they kept on. What surprised me the most was the staffs lack of intervention. They were loud and the commotion was drawing stares. You’d have thought I was eating a puppy or kitten (sorry about that analogy). It wasn’t a kosher place. Why do some people feed the strong need to impose their religion or thoughts onto others? I don’t need an answer. Some people are just jerks...well I did have another word in mind, but decided to be polite. 

The other diners were jerks for sure but the restaurant NEEDED to do something.  I would have brought it to their attn and if they refused to move the offending party or stopped the abuse I would have asked to have my food wrapped up and refused to pay.  I am not paying the restaurant money so other diners can abuse me with the tacit approval of said restaurant.  Then I would have gotten all over social media and relayed my experience.  I am so sorry you had to deal with that!

[Lunera 10.2k]

Just saw the dentist video and the mouse video. If Jill wasn't a Duggar I'd assume she was high on edibles, wtf is up with all the stupid giggling? 

Jill definitely knew Derdick was on Instagram live, probably told him to film her since he's on her account. At one point she asks if the camera is on him or her.

So, Jill wants the mouse dead and Derdick said he's going to put it in a sock and hit it with a hammer. Jill says its self-defense  🙄. They made another video after that saying that they love all gods creatures yadayada.... I guess he realized how freaking dumb he sounded. Just get a trap and be done with it, why post two videos taking about killing a mouse?!

These two are a bunch of weirdos. 

[awaken 10.3k]

17 minutes ago, Trillium said:

Can he go one fucking day without being an ass?  

Of course not.  Clearly not in his DNA.

[ginger90 34.2k]

Video 

[Bayarea4 920]

Cute video, but I don't get it. Derick is in law school. Jill is a stay-at-home mom. Why is he doing the vacuuming?

[Christina87 19.0k]

2 minutes ago, Bayarea4 said:

Cute video, but I don't get it. Derick is in law school. Jill is a stay-at-home mom. Why is he doing the vacuuming?

I agree, plus the carpet looked clean before he even vacuumed it. I'm thinking that it already was clean, but for whatever reason, they had to make a video "proving" that Derick helps around the house!

[farmgal4 9.8k]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Video 

“Yay, Sam!  Yay, Papa!” and then Dickwad scolds Israel. 🤬

[ginger90 34.2k]

Videos:

 

Edited January 11 by ginger90

[ginger90 34.2k]

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[dargosmydaddy 3.9k]

Um... I'm not a parent, but surely the "Samuel gives Israel a Ride" video is not something most parents would allow/ encourage? That car looked tipsy a couple times with Israel's weight on it, and while it's not a huge height, crashing off it suddenly/ potentially falling off into a wall would be... not good.

Meanwhile, Sam looks like he's been exasperated in another escape attempt.

[allonsyalice 2.3k]

On the bright side, Im pretty sure thats the longest Jills ever gone without saying "yay!"

[Absolom 16.2k]

14 minutes ago, dargosmydaddy said:

Um... I'm not a parent, but surely the "Samuel gives Israel a Ride" video is not something most parents would allow/ encourage?

No, as Grandma, I'd be Israel get off there NOW.  What were you thinking?

[BitterApple 98.2k]

Israel's a bright boy, but so understimulated. Jill needs to get him into a playgroup or pre-school. In every video I've seen of him he always looks like he's going stir-crazy.

[Absolom 16.2k]

He needs space to run and explore, puzzles to solve, and interaction with peers at a minimum.

[Temperance 7.4k]

5 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Translation:  I, Jill, am absolutely heartbroken that, once again, my YOUNGER sister has stolen the attention that is rightfully MINE and is bringing forth another blessing while I am stuck with just two not so special blessings.  This is MY season of life, dammit!

ETA: if our suspicions are correct and Jana is on the brink of a courtship and a wedding, one that will be embraced by the public in a way that Jill's never was, a wedding and courtship that will be part of the show while Jill and Derelict will be forced off to the side and out of sight; Jill may be on the edge of a breakdown just about now.  No way is she happy and excited, try frustrated and pissed off.

 

I don't think Jill gets angry as much as she gets depressed. Jessa would be angry if she were Jill. Jill is likely confused, sad, and depressed. 

I also don't know that Jill is that uphappy either. She may be happy for her sisters (particularly Jana) and just lost about what's next for herself.

Edited January 11 by Temperance

[cmr2014 16.6k]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Video 

Jesus Christ, did these people just post a video of them vacuuming the floor? This video is 2 1/2 minute long -- seriously? Thirty second would have been plenty of time to show Sammy and Izzy vacuuming with Papa.

Also, not to keep flogging the same dead horse, but they're pigs. Yay, the floor is vacuumed. Why not pick up the big cardboard box that's sitting in the middle of the floor before they start vacuuming? Why couldn't Jill stop filming this riveting activity and pick up the box? Israel wanted to be part of the action why not ask him to pick up the box?

[Portia 7.9k]

Why is the video titled "Samuel Dillard Helps His Daddy Vacuum" when it's clear that Israel is play-vacuuming, too? I used to think people here were exaggerating J & D's favoritism of Sam, but sheesh. It's just so obvious.

[MMEButterfly 824]

10 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Maybe Boob wants to have a lawyer in the fold for the next time Joshley gets in trouble...

I wasn't thinking specifically to Joshly. I was thinking Boob needs a consigliere.

[Sew Sumi 50.1k]

The Boobfather?😀

[ChiCricket 11.1k]

3 hours ago, Temperance said:

I don't think Jill gets angry as much as she gets depressed. Jessa would be angry if she were Jill. Jill is likely confused, sad, and depressed. 

My therapist told me that "depression is anger turned inward."

[Celia Rubenstein 32.0k]

7 hours ago, Bayarea4 said:

Cute video, but I don't get it. Derick is in law school. Jill is a stay-at-home mom. Why is he doing the vacuuming?

Because being a stay at home mom does not necessarily mean you are a scullery maid who is saddled with the responsibility of doing every last single menial chore there is to be done in the entire household day in and day out without a break or any help from anyone else.

Derick's dog ass has been on a three week break from school "de-stressing." A trip around the room with the vacuum cleaner won't kill him.

Edited January 11 by Celia Rubenstein

[GeeGolly 39.3k]

Poor Sammy restrained in a stroller looking up at his captor as Yaay seemingly makes his escape. That's not the way it's supposed to happen. That's not the way it's supposed to happen. 

[ginger90 34.2k]

I was able to watch the mouse in the house video elsewhere. What type of person, in this case, a husband, films such a thing without prior consent? 

 

Shoot! It won’t copy here.

 

 

Edited January 11 by ginger90

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Screenshot as she’s told it’s an Insta LIVE video:

[madpsych78 6.5k]

15 hours ago, Bayarea4 said:

Cute video, but I don't get it. Derick is in law school. Jill is a stay-at-home mom. Why is he doing the vacuuming?

Eh, I'm not going to snark over Derick vacuuming. Bigger question is why isn't Jill doing anything besides making glop, filming her kids, and saying "yaaaay?"

[doodlebug 34.1k]

15 hours ago, Bayarea4 said:

Cute video, but I don't get it. Derick is in law school. Jill is a stay-at-home mom. Why is he doing the vacuuming?

I managed to go to medical school and maintain my own household including cooking, cleaning and laundry.  As noted above, he is currently on break, so he needs to be pitching in as much as he can now; but, even with a wife at home, he is not exempt from basic household chores.  He doesn't have to do half, but he doesn't get to do none, either.  Jill's job is 24/7, even the toughest law school is not.

[QuinnInND 9.0k]

My twins have those same cars. My son had one too. But my son wanted to climb on and ride like that with his sisters. Nope. Get down. Ugh. Yes, boys like to climb on stuff and ride stuff. But you don't let them do it on toys like that. And Izzy needs to be in preschool. Or something. It would do him a world of good. He seems like such a smart caring little person. 

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18 hours ago, Christina87 said:

I agree, plus the carpet looked clean before he even vacuumed it. I'm thinking that it already was clean, but for whatever reason, they had to make a video "proving" that Derick helps around the house!

And that men can do it as well so when the boys are responsible for the cleaning , it won’t bevsern as women’s work.  

[Christina87 19.0k]

51 minutes ago, dariafan said:

And that men can do it as well so when the boys are responsible for the cleaning , it won’t bevsern as women’s work.  

Hahahaha long range plan! I like the way you think. Jill is definitely lazy enough for this plot!

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16 hours ago, Temperance said:

I don't think Jill gets angry as much as she gets depressed. Jessa would be angry if she were Jill. Jill is likely confused, sad, and depressed. 

I also don't know that Jill is that uphappy either. She may be happy for her sisters (particularly Jana) and just lost about what's next for herself.

This is what the lord had in store for her. She needs to work on her contentment.

4 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Eh, I'm not going to snark over Derick vacuuming. Bigger question is why isn't Jill doing anything besides making glop, filming her kids, and saying "yaaaay?"

She's HOMESCHOOLING. Yaaaay. Given her SOTDRT education, she'll probably learn a lot. She'll be mastering primary math while #besthubbyever is studying law. #marriageofequals #happilyeversfter #mysontutorsmeinfractions #riceforfour

[queenanne 8.4k]

1 hour ago, QuinnInND said:

My twins have those same cars. My son had one too. But my son wanted to climb on and ride like that with his sisters. Nope. Get down. Ugh. Yes, boys like to climb on stuff and ride stuff. But you don't let them do it on toys like that. And Izzy needs to be in preschool. Or something. It would do him a world of good. He seems like such a smart caring little person. 

Multiple videos have proven to us that Jill and Dreck both have the vested maturity of your average 8 year old, and the common sense of one as well.  (I was going to say 12, but I bet some 12 year olds would know it was an awful idea to use a wheeled vehicle as a stepladder et al.). The boys are always allowed to do potentially ruinous disastrous things while their parents film and giggle.  J and D are about one Sinner’s Prayer away from the cast of Jackass.

[QuinnInND 9.0k]

23 minutes ago, queenanne said:

Multiple videos have proven to us that Jill and Dreck both have the vested maturity of your average 8 year old, and the common sense of one as well.  

My son is 8 and is vastly more mature and has more common sense than either Jill or Dreck.