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8 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

That poor baby’s head is never bare! Her head must be sweaty all the time.

I doubt she would be sweaty, it’s not summer time, underneath the blazing sun. A knit hat seems fitting for a baby in winter (yes I know a TX winter is not a Chicago winter). 

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That was taken at a hotel banquet hall in Atlanta (or a small conference center?). In either case, Lissy didn't need a wooly knit cap for indoors.

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48 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

That was taken at a hotel banquet hall in Atlanta (or a small conference center?). In either case, Lissy didn't need a wooly knit cap for indoors.

 

I just hate how it's halfway down over her eyes much of the time. It makes me itch.

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I wonder if Jinger got a shit ton of baby hats as gifts from fans, and this is her way of saying thank you.

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15 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

And did they have to dress up and take pictures for a podcast? 

They def have to dress up for the big conference they are attending. 

I'm with @awaken - the very phrase "expository preaching" starts my eyes drooping and my head nodding. I recently went to the church website to hear Rev. Pretentious [Brooks Brothers] Pants preach a sermon. Could not stand it for more than a few minutes. Yawn. 

Methinks Jeremy is going down an obscure career rabbit hole with that stuff. This expository whatsit interest makes it clear that he's not aiming to be the next mega-rich televangelist or mega-church pastor. Unless it's some super-subtle method of mass hypnosis. They start droning on about the real meaning of three verses in the Book of Job and then when the audience is in a state of twilight slumber they implant clever suggestions . . .  that nobody consciously remembers by the time the "sermon" is over and it's time for the closing hymn. Hmm.

7 hours ago, Bayarea4 said:

In the Duggars and Their World subforum, Jeeves called Jeremy "The Most Reverend Pretentious Pants." Brilliant!

Aw, thanks, how sweet! I'm sure there are plenty of other, better, nicknames for him as well.

EDITED to add: I didn't realize there was another page of comments before I posted my comment about expository preaching. @floridamom, now that I've seen your comment, I agree. I know a few people who have spent their lives studying the Bible and now in their 80's could have Jeremy for breakfast with this stumbling attempts at exposition without breaking a sweat. Oh, and they aren't all men. Heh. 

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3 hours ago, Jeeves said:

They def have to dress up for the big conference they are attending. 

I'm with @awaken - the very phrase "expository preaching" starts my eyes drooping and my head nodding. I recently went to the church website to hear Rev. Pretentious [Brooks Brothers] Pants preach a sermon. Could not stand it for more than a few minutes. Yawn. 

Methinks Jeremy is going down an obscure career rabbit hole with that stuff. This expository whatsit interest makes it clear that he's not aiming to be the next mega-rich televangelist or mega-church pastor. Unless it's some super-subtle method of mass hypnosis. They start droning on about the real meaning of three verses in the Book of Job and then when the audience is in a state of twilight slumber they implant clever suggestions . . .  that nobody consciously remembers by the time the "sermon" is over and it's time for the closing hymn. Hmm.

Some more vibrant people have made expository preaching into a draw, though, strangely enough.

Jer's idol John MacArthur specializes in it, of course, and his church has had weekly attendance in the high-thousands, pushing the 10,000 mark, for a long long time.

Chuck Smith of the very widespread Calvary Chapel movement also did it and passed it along to the numerous other preachers in that movement -- and they had big attendance, too. One of my relatives came to Jesus via the Calvary Chapel route and while he's anything but a reader or a listener to lectures on intellectual topics or whatever, he tended to be very charged up by those long expository sermons......

I think it's all in the delivery and the preacher's rhetorical capacity. 

I mean, there are plenty of preachers who can put a crowd to sleep with a sermon on an attention-grabbing hot topic.

The Most Reverend Pretentious Pants is just boring. His favorite thing is listening to himself drone on, I expect, and that's always soporific for the audience. And I truly don't think he plans those sermons much at all, despite the many hours he supposedly spends grinding them out....Or, more likely perhaps, he's just not smart enough. Planning out a coherent 40-minute speech requires quite a bit of brain power -- and knowledge -- seems to me.

Admittedly, I say that without ever having listened to more than six or seven minutes of one of Jer's drones, and I've only sampled three or four, so maybe he becomes very cogent in others or towards the end of the sermons. But I doubt it. If you're satisfied with your opening salvos sounding fuzzy and random, I don't think there's much hope you'll achieve clarity and coherence later on. 

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Thanks for the info about the *good* expository preachers, @Churchhoney. I suppose Jeremy's aiming for the big time but he's going to have to step up his game, as you said.

I mentioned the folks I know who *really* know the Scriptures. They can hold me fascinated when they discuss those subjects because they do have the deep knowledge, including the background understanding of original texts/meanings, as well as the ability to put it all together in a relevant way. Of course, they also have lifetimes spent in service to others, so this stuff isn't just rattling around in their own skulls - they bring all that experience to what they say and how they say it. If that makes sense. 

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I love expository preaching when it is done well, and I abhor the canned "sermon series" approach delivered by a less prepared preacher using a script. Good expository preaching is like sitting in an engaging college lecture.

Jeremy seems to be doing the reading necessary, but he needs training in rhetoric. I haven't looked at the courses in the program in which he is enrolled,  but hopefully that is covered in the curriculum. What is the benefit of training in ministry if it does not take delivery of the message into account?

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26 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Thanks for the info about the *good* expository preachers, @Churchhoney. I suppose Jeremy's aiming for the big time but he's going to have to step up his game, as you said.

I mentioned the folks I know who *really* know the Scriptures. They can hold me fascinated when they discuss those subjects because they do have the deep knowledge, including the background understanding of original texts/meanings, as well as the ability to put it all together in a relevant way. Of course, they also have lifetimes spent in service to others, so this stuff isn't just rattling around in their own skulls - they bring all that experience to what they say and how they say it. If that makes sense. 

Makes perfect sense!

I doubt Jer has any of the stuff you need to do well at this --not the charisma, the brains, the intellectual curiosity or the interest in doing anything with his supposed faith but yap about it. Given his overall demeanor, alongside his sermonizing, my guess is that his dream profession is telling people -- at great length -- what to do and (by implication, at least) why he's better than they are. On top of that, his delivery ain't compelling.

I'm tempted to think that means he won't get far. But if the Duggars stay on tv, churches and other religious employers may well be tempted by the borrowed fame the sons-in-law can bring, I suppose. 

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18 minutes ago, sleepysuzy said:

I love expository preaching when it is done well, and I abhor the canned "sermon series" approach delivered by a less prepared preacher using a script. Good expository preaching is like sitting in an engaging college lecture.

Jeremy seems to be doing the reading necessary, but he needs training in rhetoric. I haven't looked at the courses in the program in which he is enrolled,  but hopefully that is covered in the curriculum. What is the benefit of training in ministry if it does not take delivery of the message into account?

They clearly do focus on delivery. I've listened to his sermons pre-seminary and now that he's started, and his delivery is much better. That said, though, it was so terrible when he started (to me,  anyway), that even with the improvement he's still quite a mediocre speaker -- both orally and rhetoric-wise. But it's clear he's been working on it -- the oral delivery part, especially -- and that they've successfully taught him some things. 

Content-wise, he seems just the same as ever to me. But that's a much harder area to improve. I wouldn't expect it to improve right off the bat. 

Becoming a strong writer and speaker takes a lot of time and effort. And in Jer's case it's pretty clear that he doesn't have much natural gift for either. If he improves a lot, then it'll show that his seminary teaches guys a lot and that he's a hard worker. He obviously has a lot of ambition so I'd expect him to make an effort. But sometimes even the very ambitious don't make enough effort. Time will tell, obviously. 

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It was pretty amazing to me when I watched five minutes of a sermon a few weeks ago. I thought for sure that as articulate he seems on counting on, he would at least be able to string together a cogent thought, and that it would be somewhat charming. Instead, it was just a fumbling mess! "I think...the Bible says...that brings us back to...in the Bible...faith...according to the Scriptures...in the Bible...you know, as John said..."

I sat there the whole time thinking, "huh?" until it reminded me too much of a bad seventh grade book report and turned it off. I think it's very odd that his congregation is made up of so many who barely speak English. They must just find him attractive and go to stare at him. 

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9 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

That was taken at a hotel banquet hall in Atlanta (or a small conference center?). In either case, Lissy didn't need a wooly knit cap for indoors.

I was always told that babies, after those first few weeks, only need to be dressed as warmly as everyone else.  Except for maybe the first weeks, I never put hats on my babies when indoors.

I guess I just assumed Jinger is using the caps, knots and turbans as advertisement.

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41 minutes ago, Christina87 said:

It was pretty amazing to me when I watched five minutes of a sermon a few weeks ago. I thought for sure that as articulate he seems on counting on, he would at least be able to string together a cogent thought, and that it would be somewhat charming. Instead, it was just a fumbling mess! "I think...the Bible says...that brings us back to...in the Bible...faith...according to the Scriptures...in the Bible...you know, as John said..."

I sat there the whole time thinking, "huh?" until it reminded me too much of a bad seventh grade book report and turned it off. I think it's very odd that his congregation is made up of so many who barely speak English. They must just find him attractive and go to stare at him. 

I hope this question does not come across as rude because I do not mean it to be, but how do we know his congregation is made up of people who barely speak English? This has been said before and I am not sure where that information came from.

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The guest speaker at his church today was Hispanic. Perfect English, but the accent was there. 

I think I caught the end of it, but he went on about the temptation of David. At least this guy put the blame on David, saying that if he had just hung out with his generals, he never would have seen Bathsheba AND SINNED. I bet Jeremy would have presented the story differently.

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8 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Chuck Smith of the very widespread Calvary Chapel movement also did it and passed it along to the numerous other preachers in that movement -- and they had big attendance, too. One of my relatives came to Jesus via the Calvary Chapel route and while he's anything but a reader or a listener to lectures on intellectual topics or whatever, he tended to be very charged up by those long expository sermons......

 

i became a christian at that church and learned with chuck smith as head pastor. i got baptized  in the pacific ocean! one of his jr pastors was greg laurie of harvest christian church and  the annual harvest crusade. when i knew him, he was 20 and had long hair.  i cannot see jeremy going this route - he is too formal where they are in casual attire at calvary and its offshoots.

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That hat in particular looks uncomfortable for indoor wear.

I think Jeremy's idea is that he will impress his audience with how smart and intellectual he is. That will be so awed by his learnedness and intellect that they will never question him or be able to win an argument. "Oh you think differently about this than I do, well I studied this and that and I've read this and you should read this heavy theological text before you argue with me." It seems sort-of a Jesuit strategy to me. 

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40 minutes ago, zoomama said:

i became a christian at that church and learned with chuck smith as head pastor. i got baptized  in the pacific ocean! one of his jr pastors was greg laurie of harvest christian church and  the annual harvest crusade. when i knew him, he was 20 and had long hair.  i cannot see jeremy going this route - he is too formal where they are in casual attire at calvary and its offshoots.

Yep, he'd definitely go for the Brooks-Brothers version of expository preaching!  ..... These days, though, he's going to have to look harder if he wants to have a congregation that wears suits to church, as far as I can tell.

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34 minutes ago, Temperance said:

That hat in particular looks uncomfortable for indoor wear.

I think Jeremy's idea is that he will impress his audience with how smart and intellectual he is. That will be so awed by his learnedness and intellect that they will never question him or be able to win an argument. "Oh you think differently about this than I do, well I studied this and that and I've read this and you should read this heavy theological text before you argue with me." It seems sort-of a Jesuit strategy to me. 

Well, partly. He's definitely got the "Yes, I'm a big intellectual" part down!

Difference is that many Jesuits (the ones I know,  anyway....) actually know what they're talking about and try really hard to teach you to analyze things to the same degree they do. Jesuits even have a long history of encouraging people they convert to retain some of their old cultural ideas and incorporate them into their new Catholicism!....

So besides looking like an intellectual and reading books, something tells me Jer'll skip most of the Jesuit program. Analyzing? Listening to what others bring to the table? Pushing others to come up to my intellectual level? ...Naa. Naa and Naa, I would bet!

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1 minute ago, Totally said:

Jeremy is taking photos of the necessary reading 

Help. I can't stop laughing. 

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7 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Isn't that an ebil librul paper?

The NYT!!!!! 😂

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I am slightly out of the loop with this set of Duggars, but is there something wrong with the baby's head and they have to always have her in caps??  

Jeremy is definitely doing the "fake it til you make it" thing in terms of preaching.   I'm sure as soon as the TeeVee money dries up, he'll be off on some other venture.

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Who’s taking all these perfect photos if they’re so busy gazing at each other and posing?

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2 minutes ago, awaken said:

Who’s taking all these perfect photos if they’re so busy gazing at each other and posing?

Felicity must be a prodigy at taking iphone snaps. 

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12 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

I am slightly out of the loop with this set of Duggars, but is there something wrong with the baby's head and they have to always have her in caps??  

Jeremy is definitely doing the "fake it til you make it" thing in terms of preaching.   I'm sure as soon as the TeeVee money dries up, he'll be off on some other venture.

From what I've seen, Felicity has a cute, round head. I think they just like dolling her up.

Jinger looks pregnant in that top picture. 

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45 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

I am slightly out of the loop with this set of Duggars, but is there something wrong with the baby's head and they have to always have her in caps??  

 

Well, Jin is known for liking knit hats, including for herself. So it could mostly be that. But Felicity doesn't have much hair, so one good possibility for this very sex-role-conscious crowd is that the flowered hats and turbans and bows are partly intended to insure that nobody mistakes -- Gasp! -- the girl baby for a boy baby. Some people have an irrational horror of that, I've noticed.

45 minutes ago, awaken said:

Who’s taking all these perfect photos if they’re so busy gazing at each other and posing?

Right at the moment it could be Jana (or Jessa or Bin?). These pictures all seem to be from Atlanta and it looks like at least Jer and Jingle and Jana were probably staying together and did stay over after the conference ended. .... To...uh...take a lot of over-edited photos....

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3 hours ago, Lunera said:

Daaaamn, she looks like Jana in profile here! When I first saw it on Instagram, I thought it was a courtship announcement!

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After the post I made in the Jana thread, I feel duty-bound to note this Times Square Ball photo with Jingle and Jeremy also looks stupid, though mildly less creepy. 

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7 hours ago, Zella said:

After the post I made in the Jana thread, I feel duty-bound to note this Times Square Ball photo with Jingle and Jeremy also looks stupid, though mildly less creepy. 

These two are more accustomed to posing with fake smiles so they look more relaxed, I guess. As Jana fills up her (now horrifying) new Instagram, maybe she'll get more relaxed about it too. Or not. Here at the beginning, she doesn't come across to me as somebody who actually wants to do that. But who knows? (Also weird -- the other people on Jana's instagram also appear to be 100 percent faking it....very aggressively faking it. What's that about? As others have asked, who and what the heck are behind this weirdness?)

I have to say that I find it amazing and curious that we can so easily pick up the slight tension in tiny muscles when somebody's pose or expression is forced -- and easily tell it apart from an unposed picture -- and feel instantly creeped out about it. That's fascinating to me in multiple ways.....So thanks for giving me something interesting to think about, Duggarlings. I guess. 

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On ‎1‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 2:46 PM, Sew Sumi said:

The guest speaker at his church today was Hispanic. Perfect English, but the accent was there. 

I think I caught the end of it, but he went on about the temptation of David. At least this guy put the blame on David, saying that if he had just hung out with his generals, he never would have seen Bathsheba AND SINNED. I bet Jeremy would have presented the story differently.

I'm very surprised by that. I have never heard any pastor or reverend put any blame on David. And from someone who belongs to this kind of church? Where everything is women's fault anyways. 

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2 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

I'm very surprised by that. I have never heard any pastor or reverend put any blame on David. And from someone who belongs to this kind of church? Where everything is women's fault anyways. 

Maybe this guy heard too many rumors of the love between David and Jonathan. So he figured the possibility that David might have leaned toward teh gayness or teh bisexuality left him open to condemnation right along with Bathsheba. 

Although I don't know how you'd square this with the idea that he'd have been better off just hanging with his generals. ;  )

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4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Maybe this guy heard too many rumors of the love between David and Jonathan. So he figured the possibility that David might have leaned toward teh gayness or teh bisexuality left him open to condemnation right along with Bathsheba. 

Although I don't know how you'd square this with the idea that he'd have been better off just hanging with his generals. ;  )

I don't either. I guess if David stayed with his generals he wouldn't have saw Bathsheba and had no choice but sin because of her. Its more then I ever heard about anything regarding David's fault. Which has always annoyed me. God forbid David get any blame (even though if I remember correctly God blamed him its men who usually have left him off the hook). Oh, no it has to be the woman's fault. A great general was unable to control himself. 

I admit I laugh at the idea of this guy hearing too many rumors about the love of David and Jonathan, which could also go either way for me. If that's true he's clearly not read up on other armies of the ancient world. It was pretty common in the Greeks and Romans.

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On 1/20/2019 at 6:15 AM, floridamom said:

Jeremy is clearly building his career.  I hope Jinger isn't killing all of Felicity's hair as it is trying to grow in with all those hats...all the time.

I also don't think that anyone should be publicly preaching in an expository manner about the bible before they are fully educated in the bible's interpretation. A very learned priest from a church I used to belong to said to me once that interpretation of biblical text requires one to be fully educated and trained before it can be explained. The language of the text is ancient and meanings back then are not necessarily the same meanings as we use today. Jeremy simply is preaching his OPINION at this point. He thinks a lot of himself to be up there telling others how to live and what not to do. He's not dedicated, he's employed and wants to move up the ladder. Look at his attendance at his own little church in Laredo....he's hardly there.

It occurred to me that "expository preaching" is 100% up the Gothard/Duggar alley.

One of the fundamental tenants of Protestantism is that lay people should be able to read and interpret the Bible for themselves. There are obviously problems for people in the various protestant cults when their followers actually read the Bible and begin to wonder why Jesus said to be kind and compassionate, and their ministers insist that compassion is horrifically un-Christian (among many, many other inconsistencies). It's important to have created a structure where learned people (white men) can "interpret" scripture so that no one is misled by their own interpretations.

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The Vuolos at Chick fil A headquarters and College Football Hall of Fame. Jana still on nanny duty.

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26 minutes ago, Lunera said:

The Vuolos at Chick fil A headquarters and College Football Hall of Fame. Jana still on nanny duty.

Josh Buice is another Calvinist pastor. He's the one who now has lots of little talks posted on Jer's church's website. I don't know if they're all like this, but in the couple I looked at Jer asks Buice some theological question and Buice answers. He's much much more cogent and articulate than Jer. Much. 

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45 minutes ago, MichaelaRae said:

Maybe Jana holds babies because she likes holding babies? 

She can't exactly go to the gym and pump iron since it's unfeminine. Maybe it's a part of her exercise routine?

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1 hour ago, PikaScrewChu said:

She can't exactly go to the gym and pump iron since it's unfeminine. Maybe it's a part of her exercise routine?

 

Her mother used to belong to Planet Fitness. They showed Michelle at the gym on television. Jana is 29 and has been a reality television "star" most of her adult life. She should be able to go to gym if she wants to. 

As for Jinger, I also get the feeling she may be pregnant again, but who knows?

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7 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

She can't exactly go to the gym and pump iron since it's unfeminine. Maybe it's a part of her exercise routine?

Jessa posted pic of her and Bin working out. Maybe it's ok to make your boobs jiggle if your married.

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