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I thought the Joss & Cam stuff in the chapel was well done. Eden McCoy has really grown in the role in her short 3 years. I hope Cam doesn’t go off the rails but it’s a soap after all. I als like Finn & Chase (love these soap names. LOL) realizing they like each other. Nancy Lee Grahan looked so sad when hugging Oscar. It must be a hard storyline to play out. Also, I want to see more of William DeVry. He hasn’t taken his shirt off in ages. What’s up with that? LOL!!!!

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There were so many options. A recast AJ. Drew. Stephen Lars. Valentin would have been a great choice. Casey the Alien’s long lost nephew. Anyone but Franco. 

16 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Forgive me, but I actually liked the Carly/Franco scene. I was on a break when they were actually paired, and it sounds like a horrible idea, but the actors have some chemistry. 

I agree. I never watched OLTL, so had no familiarity with Todd before GH, but I thought Todd and Carly had a definite spark, similar to early Jax & Carly. Franco & Carly, on the other hand, was just unpalatable.

Is it me, or have the credits slowed down ever-so-slightly? I still don’t like them, but I no longer feel like I’m about to have a seizure.

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I liked the scenes with Carly and Franco in "Kevin's" office. They were talking like adults and not spewing hate towards each other. Hopefully, they'll work more together during the Ryan/Kevin storyline. I know that LW & RH like working with each other and have known each other since their days on Loving when they were like 21 or something.

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12 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

A little boy baking isn't that oddball, is it? I wish the show was more clear about why Aidan is being ostracized, if not still outright bullied.

That's interesting; I thought the Liz/Willow discussion was approaching "WE GET IT!" shower-of-anvils territory (tm old-time MBTV/TWoP). All that "I think he's just beginning to discover his identity" and "We're totally fine with that; we're a non-traditional family and accepting." Then they're cutting away from this to show Aiden baking up a storm and doing hand gestures he learned from the cooking show. And you're right, an interest in baking (or fashion, or ballet dancing, or any one thing) isn't incontrovertible proof of anything. It's just that the baking scenes are happening on the background of all the other stuff since last summer with a child character who doesn't really "need" to be featured at all. Charlotte sneering that she tries to tell Aiden how to act and he doesn't act the right way. Cameron worrying that the kids will pick on him because he likes princess pencils and whatever TV show that was, with the implication that it's a girls' show. He's reluctant to play with the other kids at recess. The specific words adults use to describe him ("sweet," "sensitive"). Etc.  

However, when I start getting frustrated with all the non-statements that I find deafening, I think about it, and I believe they are trying to do something that isn't easy to dramatize with such a young actor. And it's not premature in real-life terms; it's an awakening that a lot of today's families are going through with boys and girls around that age, so I respect that they're trying. The actor is too young for some of the things that might be expected to happen with an LGBTQ story, but I haven't doubted that that's the story they're trying to tell, from early on. I just have been undecided re: gay or trans. 

Also, in my opinion, sending Aiden to the other parent at this point would be bad. Visiting, sure, but not to live. He has a really nice support network at home with his brothers, Liz, and (yes) Franco. That consistency is probably such a bedrock to him in a really confusing time. 

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12 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Anna's story bores me, and I should never write that about Anna Fucking! Devane.

Are we supposed to have any idea who did this to her?  It just rings like, "We need a story for Anna and Dr. Michael Easton, hey, let's give Anna an infectious disease he can investigate!".  Ugh.

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I wasn't paying the closest attention in the Anna's disease scenes, but Finn mentioned he had never seen the like of this in America, and then the two of them just acted stumped and she jumped to the idea of someone "giving" it to her. Hasn't she left the country several times in recent history? Didn't she go abroad to track Liesl, and to track whatsherface the hypochondriac, and maybe some others I'm forgetting? It would help to know how long of an incubation this thing has. (Again, if he discussed all of that, it's my fault for not being very interested. But I don't think he did.) 

When Sam was diagnosed with the feline fecal illness, everyone immediately just knew it was because Liv Jerome had thrown her off the bridge and she gave birth through her pants down there in the frozen slime, and thus Julian was circuitously responsible. 

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41 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

I wasn't paying the closest attention in the Anna's disease scenes, but [Dr. Michael Easton] mentioned he had never seen the like of this in America, and then the two of them just acted stumped and she jumped to the idea of someone "giving" it to her. 

And if that's the case, shouldn't Dr. Michael Easton be, I dunno, contacting someone at the CDC or something?

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The first - and most likely only - time I felt emotionally involved in the Oscar-is-dying story occurred yesterday, when he dropped the bottle of water and he and Kim just held each other.  Most likely because my son is the same age as Oscar, and about a head taller than me the way Oscar is with Kim, and every once in a while when something is too hard for him to handle he hugs me like that.  And it reminds me that even though he is freakin' huge and nearly an adult, there are still times he just wants his mother to hold him and comfort him the way I did when he was little. I don't care about Oscar dying, but omg that part of the scene hit me as the mother of a 16-year-old boy.

On a less emotional note - how long until Oscar and Joss decide they want to have sex before he dies?  (And a part of me hope they do, and she gets pregnant, and we get another little Quartermaine out of it.)

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The plotting on the show is as bad as the pacing. The show really needs to speed things up on both of these. Tease out some stories, but others should be quick and dirty and over with. Other writing teams have done it in the past; what's keeping the current staff from doing that now? I can't believe it's just logistics/budget/block taping.

2 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

The actor is too young for some of the things that might be expected to happen with an LGBTQ story, but I haven't doubted that that's the story they're trying to tell, from early on. I just have been undecided re: gay or trans. 

A story about an 8-year-old's sexuality is not something GH should ever attempt. The writers have shown again and again they have no idea how to write a story that DEMANDS sensitivity and a lot of research. Look at the travesty Mike's Alzheimer's story has become, and that's with adults.

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9 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

On a less emotional note - how long until Oscar and Joss decide they want to have sex before he dies?  (And a part of me hope they do, and she gets pregnant, and we get another little Quartermaine out of it.)

Meh, I don't need to hear Carly screech her way through a Joss pregnancy storyline, swearing up and down that she'll be keeping that baby from the EVUL QUARTERMAINES' toxic influence.

9 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

A story about an 8-year-old's sexuality is not something GH should ever attempt.

Certainly not until they tell real stories with the (who?)s, Kristina/Valerie, and Terry, actually let them drive stories instead of being ornaments.

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1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

Are we supposed to have any idea who did this to her?

Cassandra?  Although I never want to see her again.

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50 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

A story about an 8-year-old's sexuality is not something GH should ever attempt.

Especially because they'd somehow find a way to make it about Sonny and Carly.

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Blooper of the day:

Maxie to Jordan:  You'd have no way of knowing when our (Nathan) anniversary would be.  

Ugh, wasn't Jordan at Naxie's wedding, since she was Nathan's boss?  It's like the writers forgot that while Brianna is new to the role of Jordan, but the character of Jordan has been around almost longer than Nathan. Pay attention writers.  

 

Memo to Sonny, when Mike starts ranting, raving and punching, it's time to put him in a facility that can take care of him better than you can.  

So, LIz' boys were at Laura's inauguration, but LUlu's kids weren't?  

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So Laura’s inauguration was held outdoors in the freezing cold. Then before they can even get a cup of coffee, Laura demands that Jordan give her a briefing in her office in one hour. Geez, Laura. Take a breath and have a piece of cake.

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4 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

ertainly not until they tell real stories with the (who?)s, Kristina/Valerie, and Terry, actually let them drive stories instead of being ornaments.

THis.  They went to the trouble of bringing in a trans actress to play a doctor connected to Liz, yet we've seen Terri about 5 times since then, including in a story where she's the lead doctor.  

4 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

ertainly not until they tell real stories with the (who?)s, Kristina/Valerie, and Terry, actually let them drive stories instead of being ornaments.

THis.  They went to the trouble of bringing in a trans actress to play a doctor connected to Liz, yet we've seen Terri about 5 times since then, including in a story where she's the lead doctor.  

4 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

ertainly not until they tell real stories with the (who?)s, Kristina/Valerie, and Terry, actually let them drive stories instead of being ornaments.

THis.  They went to the trouble of bringing in a trans actress to play a doctor connected to Liz, yet we've seen Terri about 5 times since then, including in a story where she's the lead doctor.  

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Just watched yesterday’s episode and I was amazed at how dusty it was. Between Oscar, Cam/joss, Anna, and michael/Monica  those dust particles really affected my eyes. Sorry, not sorry, TFGH has been really good as of late. 

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Lulu aggressively shoving her phone in Jordan's face seeking comment for her story was so obnoxious, it makes want to, like, I don't know...maybe slam her fingers in her laptop really hard or something. Just anything to make her CHILL for five minutes. She got so aghast at Jordan mentioning Nathan's name on Maxie and Nathan's anniversary, yet she can't hold a conversation like a normal person without doggedly pursuing a story angle. Her pushback against Peter's cautioning words was pretty awful, too. I can't wait until she finds out about Ryan and realizes how oblivious she's been the whole time.

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3 minutes ago, Linny said:

. I can't wait until she finds out about Ryan and realizes how oblivious she's been the whole time.

I’m waiting for a lot of people to get the smug knocked out of them when the Ryan reveal finally happens.

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4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I’m waiting for a lot of people to get the smug knocked out of them when the Ryan reveal finally happens.

Which, at this current rate of progress, won't be until summer. I am officially over this story.

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9 minutes ago, Linny said:

Lulu aggressively shoving her phone in Jordan's face seeking comment for her story was so obnoxious, it makes want to, like, I don't know...maybe slam her fingers in her laptop really hard or something

How smug was she. She's been a reporter for 5 minutes and her sense of entitlement was off the charts.  

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Lulu is probably going to be

next week unconscious for a while because it looks like Ryan attacks her

so hoorah for that.

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ulkis, does

Ryan go after Lulu on purpose or does she get caught in a trap he's set for Sonny/Carly?

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Lulu has been a reporter for over a year now (which in soap time is a while) but yeah I really don't have anything to say for her now. All her stories are sensationalistic writing about serial killers or psychopaths.

@TeeVee329 I don't know.

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3 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Lulu has been a reporter for over a year now (which in soap time is a while) but yeah I really don't have anything to say for her now. All her stories are sensationalistic writing about serial killers or psychopaths.

Hiding under her nose, just like LWB/FS was doing this time last year. #ugh

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I hope Ava hears about Mike punching Sonny and takes him to court for endangering Avery.  But really, I'd rather Sonny and Carly dead. Go, Ryan!

7 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Are we supposed to have any idea who did this to her?  It just rings like, "We need a story for Anna and Dr. Michael Easton, hey, let's give Anna an infectious disease he can investigate!".  Ugh.

They put Finn and Anna together because they were both single and the show didn't know what to do with them and now that they are together, they still don't know what to do with them. It's really ridiculous.  Why not just give them separate stories?they're living together now, thanks in part to Emma deciding that her grandmother should live out of wedlock with this guy, so it's not like they'll never see each other.

38 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I’m waiting for a lot of people to get the smug knocked out of them when the Ryan reveal finally happens.

Ava will for sure, and then be accused to helping him. Lulu, maybe Mac, Jordan and Curtis. But Carly, Sonny and Jason will remain untouched.

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I went from hating Lulu when JMB first appeared, to loving Lulu, to hating her again. What a ride.

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9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I hope Ava hears about Mike punching Sonny and takes him to court for endangering Avery.  But really, I'd rather Sonny and Carly dead. Go, Ryan!

Yeah, I'm thinking that having the audience actively rooting for the psychopathic serial killer to take out Sonny and Carly is not the show's intention. LOL

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Hell yeah, Mike! Hit him again!! Then go slap Lulu! 

I'm not on social media, are the majority rooting for Ryan? 

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30 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Hell yeah, Mike! Hit him again!! Then go slap Lulu! 

I'm not on social media, are the majority rooting for Ryan? 

I only pay attention to the main GH hashtag on twitter if I'm not busy at work between 2-3pm... and a few actual GH fans that I follow. 

 

The majority of what I have seen is people rooting for Ryan to up his body count of actual people/characters on contract that at are FV pets.  People don't think he has killed off enough names for being a serial killer. People are also wondering why Felicia and Lucy aren't featured more in this story. (Or they know why ...vets not pets... but are wishing the vets were around more). 

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2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

They put Finn and Anna together because they were both single and the show didn't know what to do with them

I think they also paired them because Anna\McBain were good together. And, to be fair, Finn\Anna are better than Sam\Silas - despite the writing. With better writing they might even be good.

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6 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

I think they also paired them because Anna\McBain were good together. And, to be fair, Finn\Anna are better than Sam\Silas - despite the writing. With better writing they might even be good.

And Finola loves Easton, and most likely vice versa.

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I do think Finola Hughes and Michael Easton have chemistry, but it's the writing that makes me dislike them, I hate the manufactured effort to make them Breezy and Light-Hearted.  And I really hate that Dr. Michael Easton is always getting involved in her cases, like one never-ending Bring Your Boyfriend To Work Day.  They need a sounding board for Anna in those type of stories?  Bring in Anna Donely to be her mentee.  Because Dr. Michael Easton is not John McBain, HE IS A DOCTOR.

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He's also a germaphobe with a support lizard. That's an interesting match for Anna and it could be entertaining. They could be individuals, with interesting, distinct stories, who are dating. Those interesting, distinct stories could intersect in interesting ways, resulting in unexpected character interactions, because they are together.  Almost as if this were a soap opera

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The entire inauguration, just like the election, annoyed me.  Because Laura didn't earn that mayoral position, it was simply a plot contrivance.  And that brat Spencer will never pay for sabotaging the original one so Laura had a second chance.  

Also, shut up, Lulu--always and forever.

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Are there people who actually like Lulu?  Her character is almost as obnoxious as Carly. Plus she's clueless. Ryan, make her go away. What is the point of having a serial killer in town if he's not killing off the right people. I know I'm not the only viewer with a list. 

I'm not really connecting with the Oscar story but I don't want him to die. The emotional cues from the Robin/Stone story are not going to be recreated. And as much as I like the Cam actor, having Joss's new love obviously waiting in the wings is distasteful. I'm pretty sure we can all see how this story is going to go. Unless something radical happens I'm not interested in this.

After the Ryan story is resolved I really want Ava to get her child back. Carly and Sonny are so awful... there is nothing new I can say.

Where is Robert Scorpio? He makes everything better and everything needs to be better. He could be a special investigator or a hospital administrator or anything, just be in Port Charles being delightful.

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Today's Webber boys scenes were a pleasure. I wonder if the showrunners have any idea how rare it is to find three authentic, intuitive actors to play young brothers? (I'm sure they do, given previous Jake, current Danny, etc etc.)  I hope we see more scenes with the three of them. 

I truly hope Laura gets Kevin back and their marriage can be more or less intact, despite his doozy of a secret. But I did get an old-timey lump in my throat when she pronounced herself "Laura Webber." 

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Was it odd to anyone else that she is reverting to Webber, given that the last name was originally given to her by the stepfather who abused her?

I will always think of her as Laura Spencer. That said, that was also from a man who once assaulted her. A no win, I guess.

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2 minutes ago, Ladybyrd said:

Was it odd to anyone else that she is reverting to Webber, given that the last name was originally given to her by the stepfather who abused her?

I will always think of her as Laura Spencer. That said, that was also from a man who once assaulted her. A no win, I guess.

She should just go by Laura, a la Madonna.

18 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Today's Webber boys scenes were a pleasure. I wonder if the showrunners have any idea how rare it is to find three authentic, intuitive actors to play young brothers? (I'm sure they do, given previous Jake, current Danny, etc etc.)  I hope we see more scenes with the three of them. 

So enjoyable.  I love the vibe they have.  Super authentic. 

 

39 minutes ago, paisley said:

What is the point of having a serial killer in town if he's not killing off the right people. I know I'm not the only viewer with a list. 

It's very disappointing.  I mean, Kiki wasn't my favorite, but she would've been way down on the list.  Instead we get her and two randos. 

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6 hours ago, Perkie said:

Memo to Sonny, when Mike starts ranting, raving and punching, it's time to put him in a facility that can take care of him better than you can. 

It's too big a blow to the giant Sonny Corinthos ego for him to admit that he can't handle his increasingly agitated father.

Aidan looked adorable in his little sweater vest and bow tie.

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

I do think Finola Hughes and Michael Easton have chemistry, but it's the writing that makes me dislike them, I hate the manufactured effort to make them Breezy and Light-Hearted.  And I really hate that Dr. Michael Easton is always getting involved in her cases, like one never-ending Bring Your Boyfriend To Work Day. 

At least the majority of the teenage stuff is finally over now that they've said ILY.

MW's makeup was pretty heavy today. It looked nice, but she's usually not so painted.

Shut up, Girl Reporter.

Again with the baking-is-weird stuff and Aidan. What's next, we learn he likes his clothes clean and pressed and that's somehow extra significant? Ugh.

4 hours ago, LexieLily said:

I'm thinking that having the audience actively rooting for the psychopathic serial killer to take out Sonny and Carly is not the show's intention.

I don't think I've ever wanted something more on this fakakta show.

6 minutes ago, Ladybyrd said:

Was it odd to anyone else that she is reverting to Webber, given that the last name was originally given to her by the stepfather who abused her?

I will always think of her as Laura Spencer. That said, that was also from a man who once assaulted her. A no win, I guess.

Fucking patriarchy.

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Lulu was unreal in her obnoxiousness...her getting all offended for Maxie over Jordan mentioning Nathan was cringe inducing considering Maxie herself barely cared. 

Her mother today though was the exact opposite. Her best episode since she returned, imo. She finally got a backbone with Kevin and played her inaguration with much dignity and stoicism...and this is by someone who has never been a big Laura fan. Just loved her today.

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3 hours ago, paisley said:

After the Ryan story is resolved I really want Ava to get her child back. Carly and Sonny are so awful... there is nothing new I can say.

 

Ava and Sonny have shared custody which was finally resolved. Prior to that, it was a constant battle where one parent had sole custody and made it difficult for the other parent to see Avery. Until the other parent would get some leverage, the roles would be reversed. It was beyond irritating to watch. Both Ava and Sonny would love to cut the other parent out, but with Avery actually now speaking, it would cruel for that child to lose someone else after Morgan and Kiki.

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14 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

On a less emotional note - how long until Oscar and Joss decide they want to have sex before he dies?  

I’m guessing that’ll be the agenda for the day he marked “be with Joss”.

10 hours ago, Perkie said:

THis.  They went to the trouble of bringing in a trans actress to play a doctor connected to Liz, yet we've seen Terri about 5 times since then, including in a story where she's the lead doctor.  

I can’t decide if a trans story revolving around Terri would be a good thing or a bad thing. I like Terri, and I’d like to see more of her, but I think I’d prefer it if her gender identity wasn’t driving the story, as if that were the only noteworthy thing about her.

4 hours ago, paisley said:

After the Ryan story is resolved I really want Ava to get her child back. Carly and Sonny are so awful... there is nothing new I can say.

S&C will almost certainly point to Ava’s relationship with Ryan as further evidence that she’s a danger to Avery, and take back full custody.  And since Ryan has now targeted the Unkillable, I guess that’s it for him. That’s a shame. I was hoping for a little more culling of the herd.  

While Ryan may be my favorite part of the show right now, the Webber boys are in second place and gaining. I really love the dynamic, especially between Cam and Aiden.

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10 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

It's too big a blow to the giant Sonny Corinthos ego for him to admit that he can't handle his increasingly agitated father.

Plus it lets him play the pity card.  Woe is me, my father punched me in the face.  Feel bad for me everyone.  

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I couldn't help but think at the inauguration that Laura doesn't have a chief of staff? a campaign manager? who ran her campaign? It's a perfect opportunity for the show to bring on a few new, young, unconnected to the canvas people while Kevin knocks off a few more cast to even things up.

and apropos of nothing-- I love Liz's boys. It's a really small thing-- but the bit of business about Cam wanting to wear comfortable shoes, and Liz making him change, was such a nice, natural beat to play. And they also further developed the bullying plot, with Cam catching on, and Jake admitting he knew it was going on, but he doesn't know who might be doing it because they don't share hallways/playground time. 

 

As far as the Webber boys are concerned, something is doing their jobs, and I appreciate it. 

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11 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Again with the baking-is-weird stuff and Aidan. What's next, we learn he likes his clothes clean and pressed and that's somehow extra significant? Ugh.

I'm not watching the show so maybe there's more to it but really? baking is why he's being bullied?  I watch cooking and baking shows with boys and men (including "manly" NFL players) all over them.  It seems stupid that the fact that Aiden likes to bake is grounds for bullying; nowadays its a road to fame and fortune.  It's pretty mainstream.

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1 hour ago, sacrebleu said:

As far as the Webber boys are concerned, something is doing their jobs, and I appreciate it. 

Who knew people would respond to something as normal as that. 

I was never a huge Elizabeth fan, but I really enjoy those scenes and the best thing they did was soras Cameron, finally. I think the two young actors are doing a good job too, acting wise. 

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7 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I can’t decide if a trans story revolving around Terri would be a good thing or a bad thing. I like Terri, and I’d like to see more of her, but I think I’d prefer it if her gender identity wasn’t driving the story, as if that were the only noteworthy thing about her.

I don't think her gender identity needs to drive the story, but like I've said previously, it feels like she's an ornament, the show can pop her on-screen every few weeks to doctor it up or be a talk-to for Liz and the show can pat itself on the back for being progressive.  They should mix her around a bit more, have her make a friend outside of Liz, tell a B-story romance (as I've also asked before, do we even know if Terri likes men or women?).

But I guess this is a step forward from Joss and Oscar's invisible trans friend this time last year.

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