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Noooooooooooo Franco cried like a little boy. And then he caressed Drew's face. Whyyyyyyyyy. All the second hand embarassment buttons, pushed. :curls up into a ball:

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What the f*** is up with these people man it's just b******* all over the damn place. That guy knew Franco and Drew when they were little boys and it looks like he aged 2 years because unless they are some really old ass looking 19 year olds that man could not have known them back then uness he was cryogenically frozen for the past 30 years. And what was with Franko grabbing Drew and hyperventilating and sobbing all over him and then Drew just walked away like that was normal or maybe that is normal in this town where people just have random breakdowns of psychosis where they lose their sh*t.  Maybe it's just me but Drew's hand wrapping is starting to look really ffed up and I'm thinking that's because that's the dude's actual hand bandaged but it looks like it might be growing some sort of bacterial infection eventually and they need to do something about that. I know this show can be cheap as hell but seriously budget some damn money for medical dressings.

I missed why they're no longer using Julian's Pub destination for that party that is obviously going to end dramatically in some way but I don't care and why does everything have to end up on that f*cking boat as if that boat is just the place to hold every single thing even though I think at least in the past 5 years that boat has been potentially bomb strapped at least a dozen times. Don't hold a teen get together on a boat that has had more bombs on it then actual patrons. These people are rich just rent out a conference room somewhere.

If you want to make it believable show that Drew actually gives a s*** about his memory maybe show his lazy ass doing something like tracking down people who for real knew him instead of standing around and talking to a woman that he met and hooked up with 15 years ago and then basically walked away from and never spoke to again. Oops my bad I forgot he made her that totally awesome 15 song disc CD like give me a f****** break.

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Pip, Felix and Cameron .. They're really doing it for Liz's wedding.  Which probably won't happen because BJ is going to do something bad.

Whoah, Drew was pretty dismissive of a visibly very upset Franco.  "It's just something Franco does."  Also pretty nasty about Julian too.  I don't like Drew today.

Kiki to Ava:  Griffin doesn't know that Sonny made a deal with the devil."  Why is Ava the devil in this scenario?  Why isn't it Sonny, who is still an active mob boss, still killing people, still hurting everyone around him?

4 minutes ago, TV Mercenary said:

I missed why they're no longer using Julian's Pub destination for that party that is obviously going to end dramatically in some way but I don't care and why does everything have to end up on that f*cking boat as if that boat is just the place to hold every single thing even though I think at least in the past 5 years that boat has been potentially bomb strapped at least a dozen times.

I thought it was going to be at the Floating Rib, Mac's pub.

They can't hold it at Julian's pub because the sewage back up there and all the venues around it.  We're supposed to think that it's because Evul BJ wants to force Julian out so that he can own all the property

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but it's probably going to have something to do with the coming earthquake.

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1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

I thought it was going to be at the Floating Rib, Mac's pub.

They can't hold it at Julian's pub because the sewage back up there and all the venues around it.  We're supposed to think that it's because Evul BJ wants to force Julian out s

LOL I guess I missed more than I thought I heard floating and I guess I assumed they meant the boat I didn't hear the floating rib part but I was only sorta half paying attention here at my desk. I am so over the evil developer against the small-town crusaders that they're trying to sell because they're selling it really poorly and everyone just looks dumb as hell.

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24 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Noooooooooooo Franco cried like a little boy. And then he caressed Drew's face. Whyyyyyyyyy. All the second hand embarassment buttons, pushed. :curls up into a ball:

What was that??  It was so bad and I was cringing and wondering why.  Just so awful in so very many ways.  Then Franco's all, gotta go, and Drew's all, yeah whatever and I'm all, what the effing eff.  

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24 minutes ago, TV Mercenary said:

Maybe it's just me but Drew's hand wrapping is starting to look really ffed up

That is Billy's actual hand injury.  It is starting to look ragged.  

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1 minute ago, TeeVee329 said:

Previews...using an off-screen gender-fluid kid to puff up Joss and Oscar, is so, sooo icky.

This show really could have been impressed me if Oscar or Joss was the kid who is gender-fluid or trans and having a coming out and dealing with the struggles of that and having their close relatives react but those two kids have no spark and no chemistry afaics and it's a joke that they're trying to make them a couple because why is that even necessary first of all and second again they could have been used in a more interesting and intriguing way and it would be nice to see this show taking real chances instead of doing b*llsh*t like giving an unborn baby Huntington's disease.

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6 minutes ago, Perkie said:

What was that??  It was so bad and I was cringing and wondering why.  Just so awful in so very many ways.  Then Franco's all, gotta go, and Drew's all, yeah whatever and I'm all, what the effing eff.  

I guess FV thinks it is emmy reel material? But why? Did they have to do the cheek touch? :cries like Franco:

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I guess Liz had to bring up Sabrina with Felix since pretty much his only claim to fame is being Sabrina's BFF, but it's so annoying that of all the characters Liz might miss and want at her wedding (like her brother, her sister, or Nikolas) it's fucking SABRINA that gets a shout-out. It's time to let her rest in peace, ffs.

I said weeks ago that Franco would likely remember something to vindicate him and apparently we're finally getting there. I could have lived without Franco swooning in the stairwell but at least this is progress, and maybe soon we'll close the chapter of Franco's childhood and hurtle forward into the next crisis to grip Franco's fragile psyche.

Bless Cam's heart for saying that Liz puts her kids before anything else. He knows as well as we do that Liz puts Jake and Franco before anything else, but it was nice of him to pretend otherwise.

Kiki never leaves home without her sanctimonious attitude for Ava, does she? She needs to ditch that nasty tone and that fugly dress posthaste.

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5 minutes ago, Linny said:

Bless Cam's heart for saying that Liz puts her kids before anything else. He knows as well as we do that Liz puts Jake and Franco before anything else, but it was nice of him to pretend otherwise.

Cam's remark that Jake only cares about Franco being in the family was quite telling, IMO.

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10 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Did they have to do the cheek touch?

And why was the camera right up his left nostril.  At first I couldn't figure out if he was crying or laughing or having a stroke.  Then it backed up a little and I realized he was crying and then the fact that Drew didn't immediately push him off, like a sane person would have done.  All of it was some of the worst UGH, and I thought it was just my absolute hatred of all things Franco, but it's good to see I wasn't the only one.  

37 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Why is Ava the devil in this scenario? 

I;m pretty sure that Kiki beleives that losing custody of Avery is Ava's punishment for what happened with Morgan.  Ergo, Ava should just forget she had a second daughter and never try to see her or find out what's happenign with her, or have a sleepover with her.  

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It would have been one thing if Sabrina was the only one of Liz's friends mentioned, but she said, "the only person I wish was here that isn't is Sabrina". Really??? Really?? She couldn't have just said, hey, wish Sabrina was here?? I feel like they're trolling the audience with lines like that.

Lulu's reporting on the dance? Does this mean Oscar will get killed???

But really, I actually don't like the reporting, but because on a soap it appears very contrived and pushed in, much like Anna's lone WSB agent status. In fact it would have been a perfect opportunity to use the Haunted Star for the dance.

Scotty: [Griffin] has no personality!

Shout-out! They should just pair Scotty and Ava.

I don't get why they have Kiki randomly sniping at Ava again. She just did it yesterday. And is this really so bad? This is what she's getting snippy about?

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8 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Lulu's reporting on the dance?

OMG, I thought that was like a reporter on the school's paper, HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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OMG, I thought that was like a reporter on the school's paper, HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Wait, you mean this isn't beneath her?  I guess the gender fluid kid makes it a big enough story in Lulu, Girl Reporter's, eyes.

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What Lulu should be doing is getting tips from whoever is running the school's paper, who at this point in the school year would have more boots on the ground experience than Lulu.

Also, conflict of interest much, Lulu, doing a fawning profile about a relative?

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13 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

What Lulu should be doing is getting tips from whoever is running the school's paper, who at this point in the school year would have more boots on the ground experience than Lulu.

LOL. It's so true. The second grader writing her class newsletter would have more experience than Lulu at this point.

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Now that I've seen the episode...

I had to laugh at Curtis's expressions when Greg Evigan was yelling at him for breaking into the trailer. He looked totally guilty!

Poor Elizabeth. Her pre-bridal party consists of Pip (okay, she's legit), Felix (where has he been?), and Lauren, with a gushy mention of dead Sabrina. I had to stop and think why Lauren would even be there, and then Elizabeth mentioned the Franco connection. Heh.

"He's growing up so fast. I don't know where the time goes." Neither do we, Elizabeth, given that Cameron is at least six years younger than Molly (among others), who was born a year after he was.

Since we've gotten a few more clues, I'm going to mention my suspicion that I think Greg Evigan is fracking, and that's what causes the earthquake. Unless he's drilling for the Endgame lab, that is, which is entirely possible.

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I don't think the Charles Street story is terrible, but it may be overly ambitious for a daytime soap with the present-day budget restrictions. It's a complex issue, and we're mostly seeing it handled with people walking into a pub and saying, "They turned my hot water off!" It doesn't affect anyone we'd ever see at home anyway, as the show's well-to-do main characters are all scattered around in their luxury accommodations (even though they can get anywhere in town immediately via wormhole). So I like the idea of a shady developer influencing local politics, and some politically conscious characters (Alexis, Stella, Molly/TJ) opposing him, but I can't give them more than a "C-plus" on the execution.  

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9 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't think anyone thinks otherwise. But that doesn't mean she shouldn't be able to see her own daughter. As usual for me, it's the rampant hypocrisy that makes this so aggravating. Sonny and Carly aren't exactly paradigms of parenthood. Also, why hasn't Ava done more to get custody of Avery? Give me some reason, Show, so at least every time Ava whines about not seeing Avery I don't have to stop myself from screaming at the TV, "THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, YOU NITWIT!!!!" Gah.

Why in the world is Ava at this stupid wedding instead of spending the precious few hours that she could have with Avery? When was the last time that she has been around Avery for more than 10 minutes? Instead she is at this stupid wedding, and Avery is at her place with the nanny and by the time that Ava leaves this stupid wedding, Avery would probably be asleep. If she really wanted to go to this stupid wedding, she should have arranged for her day with Avery for another day.

Speaking of this stupid wedding, why does it feel like deja vu from Liz's last wedding attempt to Drew including Pip and Felix toasting Liz while Cameron wanting to talk to the groom. I think it is the same church and the same room where Liz got ready last time.

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53 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

I don't think the Charles Street story is terrible, but it may be overly ambitious for a daytime soap with the present-day budget restrictions.

They're making it an umbrella story, which is part of the problem, IMO. The political aspect was enough. We don't need Greg Evigan to be connected to Franco. 

5 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Why in the world is Ava at this stupid wedding instead of spending the precious few hours that she could have with Avery?

She promised Franco she'd be there, and Griffin is blinded by her sacrifice. (That is not sarcasm, regrettably.)

54 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Is there oil or natural gas in that part of New York that would make it realistic to be fracking?

Yes. Turns out fracking is illegal in NYS, so Greg Evigan doing it on the sly is actually a decent story. 

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On 2/19/2018 at 4:49 PM, nilyank said:

I was waiting for Anna to grab the statue and smash it to reveal the secret message inside.

I’m catching up on Hulu, so I’m a bit behind.  

At least x-ray the darn thing. 

Did this storyline already end?  Shhh, don’t spoil it for me. ;) 

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Have Felix and Elizabeth had a scene together since Sabrina's funeral? The cast is so diminished that we can't even get a scene of Elizabeth seeing just two girlfriends whispering, ask them to  talk to her and get a line like, "Elizabeth, ggggirl, we love you and that's why we can't go through with watching you marry Franco."  

Cameron's lines make sense. He adores Elizabeth because she has been raising and loving them, as opposed to all the people who have left them in the years since Aiden's birth (for whatever reason): Dad (Lucky), JakesonDrew, Ric, Uncle Steven, Aunt Hayden, Uncle Nikolas, and Grandma Laura.  He wants his family to be stable/for his mother not to cry and feel alone as she has after every guy walks out on her, so he tells her he wants her to have someone who loves her (I certainly took note that he didn't endorse Franco). He stated the obvious about Jake's feelings regarding Franco, and I totally believe that Aiden is just thinking of this as a party (a.k.a, not attached to Franco). 

Hopefully, something happens so that this wedding is off forever.

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I laughed when Bobby cried on Andy in the stairwell. Probably not the dramatic moment they were hoping for, but the most entertainment I've gotten from this bullshit. Totally saw it coming and I'm sure we will soon move on to them bff-ing over having been abused by developer dude.

PS. Finn, please choose Alexis cuz I cannot stand one more minute of you and Anna's game of chicken and mopey wuv faces.  

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1 minute ago, TVbitch said:

PS. Finn, please choose Alexis cuz I cannot stand one more minute of you and Anna's game of chicken and mopey wuv faces. 

I can't stand that they'd clear this nonsense up if someone just said something. Use your words, you idiots!

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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Since we've gotten a few more clues, I'm going to mention my suspicion that I think Greg Evigan is fracking, and that's what causes the earthquake. Unless he's drilling for the Endgame lab, that is, which is entirely possible.

Yes, it's always a yes from me when we're talking about the ENDGAME lab.  But that begs the question - whose lock of hair is Greg Evigan wearing on a chain around his neck?

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2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

PS. Finn, please choose Alexis cuz I cannot stand one more minute of you and Anna's game of chicken and mopey wuv faces.  

I was thinking that the only thing worse than this painful rom-com of misunderstandings and futile noble gestures between Finn and Anna would be Alexis doing her usual pratfalls and stutters as she falls in lust with Finn.

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Oh please is there a chance that Franco will leave another woman at the altar, as he did to Carly so long ago? Why hasn't Liz remembered that?

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10 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

"He's growing up so fast.

This made me laugh, because I thought, no he's not.  Based on everyone else's SORAS, Cam should be in college by now and not perpetually 12 yrs old.

8 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

She promised Franco she'd be there,

And she's loaning out the gallery to them for the reception.  

 

8 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Have Felix and Elizabeth had a scene together since Sabrina's funeral?

When Liz said, "you know who should be here', my thought was Robin?  Or any of her family members over the age of 12?  

 

49 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Oh please is there a chance that Franco will leave another woman at the altar,

Uhm, I'm sorry, but this time, Liz should be the one to dump his serial killing ass at the altar.  

Also, what is the point of this Greg Evigan part of the story?  Franco forced Drew down the stairs so they could hide from JIm who was abusing them?  That will not redeem Franco.  Nothing will.  He's still a serial killer who killed for fun.  NO matter the brain tumour or the abuse.  

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10 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

But that begs the question - whose lock of hair is Greg Evigan wearing on a chain around his neck?

Helena's, of course.

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

Also, what is the point of this Greg Evigan part of the story?  Franco forced Drew down the stairs so they could hide from JIm who was abusing them?  That will not redeem Franco.  Nothing will.  He's still a serial killer who killed for fun.  NO matter the brain tumour or the abuse.  

I don't think this part of the story is about redemption, necessarily. I think it's about Franco being reassured that he wasn't OMG TEH EVUL from the start. It's for his peace of mind. I couldn't care less about any of this, because SERIAL KILLER, but the show keeps insisting we're are supposed to care that poor widdle Franco had a bad childhood. We already have Sonny blathering on about his; I don't need to hear another sob story. A terrible childhood is not an excuse for terrible behavior as an adult, Show!

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8 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

...the show keeps insisting we're are supposed to care that poor widdle Franco had a bad childhood. We already have Sonny blathering on about his; I don't need to hear another sob story. A terrible childhood is not an excuse for terrible behavior as an adult, Show!

This.

Franco as an enfant terrible is not amusing or entertaining. Franco is a bore and a travesty as a potential groom for a decent woman like Liz. His "art" is pathetic. Attempts to redeem him (such as paying for Kiki's medical school training) are transparently dishonest bribes from the show writers.

Get rid of him, Show.

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Speaking of this stupid wedding, why does it feel like deja vu from Liz's last wedding attempt to Drew including Pip and Felix toasting Liz while Cameron wanting to talk to the groom. I think it is the same church and the same room where Liz got ready last time.

It looks like the props folks spent more time preparing decorations for Scout's first birthday party than for the wedding. 

The worst thing about having to watch my favorite character serve as nothing more than a cardboard cut-out prop for a disgusting character is just thinking about HOW CLOSE tptb had Liz and AJ married.  Instead the viewers were *treated* to a couple of years of an ugly-lazy-waste-of-breath son-of-a-corinthos spoiled brat dating a mother/daughter combo. 

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On 2/16/2018 at 3:25 PM, dubbel zout said:

They light for the sets, not the actors, which probably has a lot to do with it. 

You are right, half the scenes today had the light blue lighting coming off the actors' teeth. Even a little off Sonya and Becky.

I know I need to grow up, but every time I see Greg all I can think of is [singing] "Places new and ladies, too, I'm B.J. McKay and this is my best friend Bear."

 

 

I know Chloe the actress is doing all she can with the writing, but Nelle is so....blah.....

 

I think the issues with the fight at the Floating Rib are budget based

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I can't even with Franco claiming he's "clearly" controlled his violent impulses since the tumor was removed.  YOU STABBED HEATHER LIKE FOUR MONTHS LATER!!!

Liz's boys were supposed to spend the night...at Bobbie's?  So apparently Audrey wasn't even allowed to come to the wedding off-screen?

Shut up, Jason.  Carly has NEVER learned from her mistakes.  And what Nelle has done is a DROP in the bucket to Carly's sins over the years.

Oh Scotty, I love you, but demonizing Kevin to defend Franco is not a good look.

EARTHQUAKE!!!

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I can't be the only one wondering who wrote Jason's delusional line to Carly: "You learn from your mistakes, Nelle doesn't."  I just can't with all of his Carly propping. UGH.

Carly seeking out Nelle to warn/threaten her right after the talk with Jason proves yet again that Carly has not learned from her mistakes. My speculation is her hatred toward Nelle leads toward a miscarriage.

Nelle's a big bad again because she gave a dress from Crimson's closet to Josslyn,  Oooohhh *rolling my eyes.* That lame, staged stunt by the sketchy-looking kid to prop Drew, Kim and Sam as parents/chaperones and then the 4 exes all having their cute "moment" just as the Port Charles-wide trauma-drama starts is also eye-roll worthy.

Michael is definitely a Stupid. Little. Shit. It doesn't dawn on him that by deciding to name Jason as  guardian of the baby, they are turning the baby over to Carly.  

Scotty is an ass for trash talking Kevin (dude you had an affair with Kevin's wife!), but at least Liz knows, yet again, that Franco is keeping something important to himself. 

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7 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I can't be the only one wondering who wrote Jason's delusional line to Carly: "You learn from your mistakes, Nelle doesn't." 

Only if learn from her mistakes = stay with Sonny.

8 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

at least Liz knows, yet again, that Franco is keeping something important to himself. 

But she'll likely forgive him—again—so who cares?

It's not drama when the same thing happens with no change, Show. 

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On 3/2/2018 at 2:59 PM, TeeVee329 said:

I can't even with Franco claiming he's "clearly" controlled his violent impulses since the tumor was removed.  YOU STABBED HEATHER LIKE FOUR MONTHS LATER!!!

Wasn't he planning to murder the Canadian neighbor who realized that he and Nina kidnapped Avery?  From what I remember, the only reason that he didn't was because the police caught up to them as he was heading out the door to murder her.

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It's absolutely in character for Michael to choose Jason as the guardian of his child, but I also think it's absolutely the wrong choice. He's dooming his kid to in the crosshair of the mob business and also directly in Carly's purview (because where there's a Jason, there's a Carly), and hello, Dante and Lulu are OBVIOUSLY the superior option. Sure, they've got their hands full, but they can also provide a safe, loving home.

That party was lame and really without a point. We met a couple of gender non-conforming kids for the first (and likely last) time, Joss got one measly paint splatter on her dress, and GH got to give itself a pat on the back for being inclusive by taking a five minute breather from the straight, cis characters that dominate 98% of the show.

I'm going to give Liz credit for remaining calm and handling the dismantling of the wedding on her own. And really, Franco didn't at all consider pausing his fruitless questioning of Jim to check in with Liz? He may be rattled right now but he knows Liz is waiting for him, and yet getting to her is not at all his priority.

Somebody better die from this earthquake, is all I'm saying. 

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I need Michael to die.  Just when I think he can't be any stupider, he decides that a brain injured hit man who lives alone is the right person to raise his child.  The character doesn't even have the benefit of being played by an actor who is interesting on screen.

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You don't learn from  your mistakes. You don't, you lie and you manipulate,  it blows up in  your face and then you do it again.

Carly said that to Nelle but there is no better description of Carly herself.  Carly accuses Nelle of that manipulation because that's what Carly herself would do. So shut up Jason. You've enabled her for decades.

A boring episode for a Friday. At least Franco didn't believe Evil BJ, how is a designer model dress only "four figures"?  Why should Jason be glad Danny wants to sleep at his place if Danny appears to be desperate to sleep anywhere but home (e.g. Monica's)?

At least we got shirtless Curtis.  That's soapy.

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1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

I need Michael to die.  Just when I think he can't be any stupider, he decides that a brain injured hit man who lives alone is the right person to raise his child.  The character doesn't even have the benefit of being played by an actor who is interesting on screen.

Why is it an automatic that the baby would go to anyone in Michael's family? Nelle has no trusted friends or not-Frank-Benson family?

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3 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Why is it an automatic that the baby would go to anyone in Michael's family? Nelle has no trusted friends or not-Frank-Benson family?

These are rhetorical questions, right? ;-)

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7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't think this part of the story is about redemption, necessarily. I think it's about Franco being reassured that he wasn't OMG TEH EVUL from the start. It's for his peace of mind. I couldn't care less about any of this, because SERIAL KILLER, but the show keeps insisting we're are supposed to care that poor widdle Franco had a bad childhood. We already have Sonny blathering on about his; I don't need to hear another sob story. A terrible childhood is not an excuse for terrible behavior as an adult, Show!

I like the character of Franco post James Franco.  RH is a great actor but he can only do so much considering James Franco's Franco's past.  This is why RH's Franco needs to be a victim of the evil "memory mapping" plot.  Having RH's Franco been implanted with the memories of JF's Franco's serial killer memories would redeem RH's Franco.  He never was a serial killer in the first place.  His lawyer, Diane Miller, brought his brain tumor into court in a jar.  What if she still has the tumor/jar on a shelf in her office?  Andre could examine the tumor and find that it had grown around a microchip that had been implanted in his brain.  Helena had been controlling Drew/Jason with an implanted microchip in his brain.  JF's Franco could have had plastic surgery to look like RH's Franco and was Helena's original "Soldier Boy".  The Critton-Clark clinic was the center of this.  Robin was held there, this is where Nina woke up from her 29 year coma and Jason/Drew, Stavoros and Helena were frozen there.  Too much went on there that was never really explained.  

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10 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Why is it an automatic that the baby would go to anyone in Michael's family? Nelle has no trusted friends or not-Frank-Benson family?

Nelle really needs a Kimberly Andrews-esque friend to sweep in, be more entertaining, and start putting some of these people in their places.  She can start by telling Carly she has a voice like a foghorn. #ohkimmie

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8 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Why is it an automatic that the baby would go to anyone in Michael's family? Nelle has no trusted friends or not-Frank-Benson family?

And why does Michael get to decide?  

But, sure, yeah, the Holy Hitman is the *perfect* guardian for a child.  He probably still has all the old Africa picture books Michael used to love in his box of pain.

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Camera needed to back away about ten steps from Oscar's teeth in the in opening scene. 

How would Jason even know Nelle doesn't learn from her mistakes? Has he even met her?

I don't think they did a bad job with the earthquake. 

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