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Chicken keepers were a nice couple, not much in the way of high drama.  Even when complaining it wasn't overblown and it was nice to hear him say that they could use what was there and change things over time.  So often the buyers act like a place is totally dysfunctional unless the gutting takes place before the move.  Just because appliances don't match or aren't the same color doesn't mean they can't be used for cooking. 

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Chicken keepers seemed nice enough but I'm annoyed by these young chicken people, like it's a hip "thing" nowadays.  I wouldn't want to live next to them. 

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4 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

I wouldn't want to live next to them. 

As long as there is no rooster they aren't really that annoying.  Pretty quiet for the most part.  And the eggs are so much better for you.  And, no, I don't have any but have lived next to them.

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5 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

As long as there is no rooster they aren't really that annoying.  Pretty quiet for the most part.  And the eggs are so much better for you.  And, no, I don't have any but have lived next to them.

I was assuming they had a rooster, but maybe they don't.  I still think it's more of a hipster thing to do for a lot of young couples nowadays.

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You only need a rooster if you are planning on raising chickens. Hens don't need a rooster to lay eggs.

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I didn't care for the wife of the chicken couple.  I hate when wives don't seem to care about low ceilings, etc when their husbands are tall.  Her non stop complaining about the tudor was annoying.  But if it had a brick fireplace, she would be okay with it?  

Orange County ep:  It was refreshing to have such a short introduction.  They met at a bar, now onto the houses.  They didn't waste time explaining what they liked about each other or their wishlists, etc.  Neither one of them mentioned what they did for a living.  I was especially interested since they lived in San Clemente, Honolulu, Australia and now back to S Cal - all expensive.  I can understand 10 miles to be the beach being too far.  Not "Arizona" far as the wife mentioned, but 5 miles to the beach is an easy bike ride, 10 miles is not.  It was nice to hear them not wanting an updated high end chef's kitchen since they "grill everything", but I would still think they would care about storage and/or counter space.  After he's done installing "her" pool, he should build an outdoor kitchen. 

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11 hours ago, edie3 said:

Orange County, she got on my nerves.  She was just too "rad" about kitchens and not cooking.  We heard you the first time.

This. She and the husband tried to be funny--"we can turn this into a bedroom," but the humoroften fell flat. Where do you wash your friggin dishes or store leftovers, geniuses? 

Another "joke:" I guess they'd already decidied to add on a pool eventully, but the on-screen debate was that the wife wanted a pool, and the pool-builder husband didn't want to bring his work home with him. The wife seemed mean though when she kept saying, 'Oh, we will have a pool.'

5 minutes ago, juliet73 said:

Orange County ep:  It was refreshing to have such a short introduction.  They met at a bar, now onto the houses.  They didn't waste time explaining what they liked about each other or their wishlists, etc.  Neither one of them mentioned what they did for a living.  I was especially interested since they lived in San Clemente, Honolulu, Australia and now back to S Cal - all expensive.  I can understand 10 miles to be the beach being too far.  Not "Arizona" far as the wife mentioned, but 5 miles to the beach is an easy bike ride, 10 miles is not.  It was nice to hear them not wanting an updated high end chef's kitchen since they "grill everything", but I would still think they would care about storage and/or counter space.  After he's done installing "her" pool, he should build an outdoor kitchen. 

I've noticed that some of the newer episodes don't do the long recaps after commercial breaks. That gives us more time to see the houses. And we still do the recap at the end before the HHs decide on their home. 

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34 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

You only need a rooster if you are planning on raising chickens. Hens don't need a rooster to lay eggs.

In the intro they showed them with baby chicks but it was unclear what, if anything, they were doing with them.   

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1 hour ago, juliet73 said:

I didn't care for the wife of the chicken couple.  I hate when wives don't seem to care about low ceilings, etc when their husbands are tall.  Her non stop complaining about the tudor was annoying.  But if it had a brick fireplace, she would be okay with it?  

Orange County ep:  It was refreshing to have such a short introduction.  They met at a bar, now onto the houses.  They didn't waste time explaining what they liked about each other or their wishlists, etc.  Neither one of them mentioned what they did for a living.

Husband was in the swimming pool industry, hence all the mention of pools.

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On the shallow, the wife and the realtor in the chicken couple episode had bad hair. Needed trimming and the blonde on both was too brassy, and the wife's was growing out. They did seem like a nice couple though. The Tudor they looked at was tiny.

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10 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

On the shallow, the wife and the realtor in the chicken couple episode had bad hair. Needed trimming and the blonde on both was too brassy, and the wife's was growing out. They did seem like a nice couple though. The Tudor they looked at was tiny.

Their hair looked fried, like it needed deep conditioning and back to the original color.  And yes, trimming, although I blame Gwyneth Paltrow for that style, lol.  I saw her recently on some late night talk show and her "hair" (I'm assuming she has extensions) looked like it had been fried and blow dried to death.  

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On 1/9/2019 at 12:07 AM, LittleIggy said:

Maybe that promo is just a promo and not a real episode since there wasn’t an episode like that tonight. I hope so! 

I was prepared to dislike the Jersey DJ and his fiancée (beauty room 🙄), but they seemed like a nice couple.

The NJ couple was better than many other HH and HHI couples I have seen.

On 1/9/2019 at 11:40 PM, Pickles said:

The Orange County wife made it clear she had zero interest in a kitchen. She does no cooking. They grill. Kind of interesting, but I cannot imagine being so disinterested in that space. 

The Orange County wife was such a princess. Ok fine she doesn’t cook, but she didn’t have to keep making a point of it and it’s silly that she would say that she wouldn’t use a kitchen even if she doesn’t cook. What about items like yogurt, milk, fruits and salad fixings in the fridge. And it was annoying how she kept on harping about the pool too. She was so annoying.

On 1/10/2019 at 6:29 PM, scootypuffjr said:

It was kind of refreshing, though. We've seen more than one wife demand a chef's kitchen even as they brag about not knowing how to cook. At least this one was honest, lol. My mother and I liked the second house best and were surprised they took the first, smallest one without a garage, even if it was the closest to the beach. There's not much difference between 5 and 8 miles, really, you're not walking either way.

And I didn’t like that she complained 10 Miles was too far from the beach. Did they only pick that house for that reason. The husband seemed nice but she was a real pain.

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On 1/10/2019 at 7:28 PM, Ohwell said:

Orange County:  I would have taken the second house, too.  In addition to being the smallest and no garage, I didn't like the layout of the outside of the first house.  

However, if I'm not mistaken, the first one was in Orange County, and I thought the other two were in San Diego County?  If so, maybe they just wanted an Orange County address.

I think they just wanted the house in Orange Co. because of the address, proximity to the beach. It was probably more her doing than his.

12 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Chicken keepers seemed nice enough but I'm annoyed by these young chicken people, like it's a hip "thing" nowadays.  I wouldn't want to live next to them. 

I don’t get the whole chicken keeper thing, even with having fresh eggs.

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On 1/10/2019 at 6:28 PM, Ohwell said:

Orange County:  I would have taken the second house, too.  In addition to being the smallest and no garage, I didn't like the layout of the outside of the first house.  

However, if I'm not mistaken, the first one was in Orange County, and I thought the other two were in San Diego County?  If so, maybe they just wanted an Orange County address.

Me too, I thought the second was the obvious pick.  It's not like you are walking to the beach regularly at either 5 or 10 miles.  I guess if the one has a 5 mile bike ride and the other has no good bike route it might matter.

I also suspect it was address or schools or something.

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12 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Chicken keepers seemed nice enough but I'm annoyed by these young chicken people, like it's a hip "thing" nowadays.  I wouldn't want to live next to them. 

Yeah, it's kind of a hipster thing.  You have to live somewhere it's not going to be an issue for people.

That said, I kind of like the idea (have thought about it but not seriously -- my city allows it, but I know it's not for me, happy enough just buying eggs from a local farm). A friend of mine in the 'burbs has more seriously considered it.  So long as there is no rooster should not be an issue.  I'm just going to focus on trying to have a great garden.

6 hours ago, Empress1 said:

On the shallow, the wife and the realtor in the chicken couple episode had bad hair. Needed trimming and the blonde on both was too brassy, and the wife's was growing out. They did seem like a nice couple though. The Tudor they looked at was tiny.

I thought they were a nice couple.  Agree about her hair, but I liked her personality.  I actually preferred the house that was her style (the ranch), and think it would have been cheaper overall, although I get a privacy fence is expensive (weirdly so, I was shocked the first time my old condo association priced it out, and am lucky the place I bought when I moved had one already). The Tudor was cute but too small.

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A couple of thoughts...I loved when the tall guy "struggled" to get into the shower by stepping over the toilet...why not just slide the doors the other way and get in from the "back end" of the tub? The doors do slide in both directions!

And I just finished watching the Lottery House(set in upper NY state) and HH that was in Merritt Island, FL. It surely felt like they switched the episodes! The Lottery episode had a budget of $200,000(she won $5 million) and the HH episode had a budget of up to $2 million! I heard the FL couple talk about down-sizing...yeah, right. The smallest house they looked at was almost 5000 sq. feet and the one they finally chose was over 7000 sq feet!!! Heck, the one closet was probably as large as my whole apartment! Money or no money, why do 2 people need all that space? Oh, wait....for entertaining! Again, another homeowner that wanted chickens...wonder if she will really take care of them or have someone do it for her? Sorry but even tho' they seemed like a nice couple, they had more money than sense! On the other hand, the lottery winner just wanted a water view and plumbing!!! She said she could update the rest. Such a different attitude between the two buyers.

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Florida chicken couple:  I was reading an article on The Sopranos when this show started, and that was all I could think about the entire time.  I pictured Tony and Carmela house hunting.  AJ is all grown up now and selling real estate.  I hope that the chicken house is predator-free.  An hour and a half away from the Merritt Island house, my  grandchildren are on their third set of chickens.  They finally figured out how to hot wire to keep predators away.

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The Florida couple "downsizing" was a trip to how the top 1% live.  There certainly seem to be a lot of houses in that price range, and all in the same style in Cocoa, Florida or near by.  I laughed when the son was demonstrating the disappearing glass doors, and then said let's get back inside to the A/C.  I wonder just how many days of the year you can really open those doors to let in fresh air.  Florida gets hot, and the humidity is high as well.  A bit of bickering between the husband and wife, but they've been married 41 years, so I guess that works for them.  I liked the 3rd house best, but none of them really appealed to my style.  My style is how the other 99% live. 

I think that was a very temporary place for the chicken coop.  In addition to being too small to contain those chickens full time, what were those pink filled bags all around the coop?  It was also in a sunny spot, which isn't going to be good for the chickens in the hot Florida weather.  I hope that was just for that one scene and she wasn't planning to leave those chickens there. 

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Didn't like the Colorado wife one bit. She didn't seem to like anything.  First rooms were too small, then they were too big.  A beautiful kitchen needed a complete gut job.  I just don't get why people who are so freaking picky, and want to put "their touch" on a house, don't build and get everything they want, instead of wanting to gut a perfectly beautiful house. 

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On 1/12/2019 at 9:57 AM, laredhead said:

The Florida couple "downsizing" was a trip to how the top 1% live.  There certainly seem to be a lot of houses in that price range, and all in the same style in Cocoa, Florida or near by.  I laughed when the son was demonstrating the disappearing glass doors, and then said let's get back inside to the A/C.  I wonder just how many days of the year you can really open those doors to let in fresh air.  Florida gets hot, and the humidity is high as well.  A bit of bickering between the husband and wife, but they've been married 41 years, so I guess that works for them.  I liked the 3rd house best, but none of them really appealed to my style.  My style is how the other 99% live. 

I think that was a very temporary place for the chicken coop.  In addition to being too small to contain those chickens full time, what were those pink filled bags all around the coop?  It was also in a sunny spot, which isn't going to be good for the chickens in the hot Florida weather.  I hope that was just for that one scene and she wasn't planning to leave those chickens there. 

The Florida downsizing couple was a joke. Maybe the husband wanted to downsize (but I'm not entirely convinced he wanted to either, with some of his comments as well about the size of the rooms and all). They seem like people who are used to having the finer things in life and don't want to settle for less. The wife was a bit demanding and the husband probably just learned over the years to go with her decisions to keep the peace and all. 

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Reading back the thread, I noticed the pool safety discussion.  In AZ, the local area (Gilbert) probably has additional regulations.

In that particular episode, the kids frolicked in the pool during a closing scene, supervised their parents (IIRC) and the film crew.  HH standard contract doesn't usually allow the parties to move into the home before filming.  I assumed / hoped the family would upgrade the pool prior to occupying the property.

As an attractive nuisance, a pool significantly increases homeowners' liability insurance costs.  Yes, homeowners should comply with local regulations.  Typically, ho insurance policies require compliance.

I believe the insurance companies drive safety improvements and compliance.  For example, everybody notice that pools (in general) now lack diving boards?  

Concerned about a neighborhood pool?  Consider referring them a good insurance agent. 

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On 12/22/2018 at 11:58 AM, Pickles said:

I found the Durham “surgeon” online. She is a physician assistant who works in pain management. Gets good reviews, but definitely not a surgeon. 

 

On 12/26/2018 at 10:03 AM, LittleIggy said:

Wow, why did she misrepresent her professional qualifications like that? How egregious.

Norfolk, VA: I cringed when the wife said she wanted a “Gone With the Wind” staircase. 

I think that 70s monstrosity they bought will be a money pit. Good luck to them.

 

???  Confused.  RE:  Durham episode:

HH doesn't usually change / dramatize the participants' occupations.  Pulled up the PA - her age and general appearance matched up but her bio and photo didn't ring a bell.   

The Durham area has a large medical community, including another "Ashley", an md.  No photo but kinda' sounds like the Durham house hunter.

Did I miss something, Pickles?  No news article on my feed for verification. 

No big deal, just curious - if anyone remembers.  Didn't add anything to the drama -

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On 12/29/2018 at 3:01 PM, KLovestoShop said:

Are some of the agents looking more unusual?  The one on the HH Family had reddish hair and long gray bangs.  Not a good look.  On another ep, the agent was a plus size woman who wore dresses that were too short and tight. 

What 9 year old does most of the cooking for a family?  That’s what the Texas family claimed. She said she can cook the dessert and the main course at the same time because there were double ovens.  And why would a 9 year old be concerned about a kitchen being “tight”.   And of course, don’t we all go to our family gym and work out for 30 to 60 minutes a day for 6 days a week?  

And of course, they didn’t pick any of the houses.  I thought you had to be under contract to be on HH?  

WRT the HH U.S. version:

It's a 30+ hour time commitment for the RE agents w/o compensation.  Over the years, many have been disappointed with the marketing results.

The casting agents consider applications when buyers are under contract but absolutely no filming occurs until escrow closes.  (Many escrows fail to close.)

ETA - not referring to HH Family, if they're not purchasing homes.

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17 hours ago, KLovestoShop said:

Didn't like the Colorado wife one bit. She didn't seem to like anything.  First rooms were too small, then they were too big.  A beautiful kitchen needed a complete gut job.  I just don't get why people who are so freaking picky, and want to put "their touch" on a house, don't build and get everything they want, instead of wanting to gut a perfectly beautiful house. 

She annoyed the crap out of me.  She wanted to tear out walls and gut everything in every single house.  Nothing was good enough for her.  Finally, she was satisfied by a nearly 6000 foot house, though she complained about everything in it except the laundry room where she could put the dog bowls.  I guarantee, in 6 months, she'll have forced her husband to rip up the wood floors and make them tile, change the tile in the dog/laundry room that she "hated," change that island in the kitchen, rip out the short wall between the dining and living room, and who knows what else.

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On 12/21/2018 at 8:23 AM, juliet73 said:

Considering they closed on the house 6 weeks ago, I'm surprised they haven't had a pool fence installed yet.  I would be way more concerned about that then when the furniture was arriving.

Under the terms of the HH standard contract, they're not allowed to make improvements prior to filming b/c they're (supposedly, lol) recreating their actual house hunt.

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Florence to Florence episode:  Haha, what a fun family!  I wish all HH episodes were this well done.

Seems odd that with a $500k budget and 7 children they were looking at a much cheaper 4-bedroom house. 

But then..."Let's go find our kids, I'd like to take at least 4 of them home."

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They were hysterical!     I loved the wife didn't like the fancy kitchen, but wanted something more homey.   

 

 I think they had an iron fence on the three sides, on the Florence episode, so I'm betting that one was fenced.              

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The Florence family seemed so nice and down to earth. Seven children! The little bit we saw of them, they seemed really well behaved. 

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If HH wants to do a HH Family show, the Florence to Florence family was the model for it.  The children made an appearance, and were immediately sent off to play.  The old saying "children should be seen and not heard" is good advice for this show.  Yes, they all seemed well behaved, but happy.  I liked the couple, and I think the house they chose was the best one for them.  What a great childhood these children will remember - acres of land in a rural area, a pool, and what seemed like down to earth parents.  No mention of needed 7 bedrooms & 7 bathrooms so the kids wouldn't have to share, no comments about having to gut existing areas because the wife didn't like the backsplash (slight exaggeration but close), etc.  I totally understood her wish for a large laundry room, and the need for two washing machines and dryers.  Probably would have been nice if they could have located a laundry area upstairs where most of the bedrooms were.  Overall, a nice episode with no drama.      

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10 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I loved the wife didn't like the fancy kitchen, but wanted something more homey. 

Loved Florence to Florence as well!  How refreshing when she said that the kitchen was too fancy and they weren't fancy people.  I was confused by the exterior shots of the farmhouse versus the interior shots.  When they toured, they only showed two bedrooms!  Once they moved in, they did show a third.  But the house not only looked much larger from the outside, it also looked like maybe an original farmhouse was attached to the back of the newer house?  

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I'm wondering if the family had already started adding bedrooms in the upstairs or something, and that's why they didn't show everything.    Maybe they didn't think they'd be chosen, and started improvements first, or maybe additional bedrooms had been decorated, and it would have been a giveaway to the house they owned. 

Maybe the addition on the back only had the outside, and stairs, but hadn't finished the inside, so it's a work in progress?   

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Anyone catch the couple in Minneapolis last night?  They were moving from Chicago to Mpls and she was obsessed with a white kitchen - I found them unpleasant, especially her.  You have $600,000 to drop on a house?  Custom build one with some land!  

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I totally disliked the Minneapolis couple, and I think building their own house far away from anyone else would have been a great idea.   I'm sure no neighborhood is good enough for the princess, and I bet the neighbors are hoping she's going to sell and leave soon.  

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8 hours ago, Kiki620 said:

But the house not only looked much larger from the outside, it also looked like maybe an original farmhouse was attached to the back of the newer house?  

I wondered the same thing.  I was mentally trying to figure out what was what when they did the inside tour. I can see the "original" farmhouse (I was thinking the front one) having only two bedrooms upstairs but the addition seemed to be large enough to contain a lot more rooms.

Nice, drama-free episode.  So much more enjoyable than the manufactured crappy snide remarks that HH producers think we want.   News flash - we don't.

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3 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I totally disliked the Minneapolis couple, and I think building their own house far away from anyone else would have been a great idea.   I'm sure no neighborhood is good enough for the princess, and I bet the neighbors are hoping she's going to sell and leave soon.  

Her and the WHITE kitchen!!  My hubby watched it with me and we both thought:  "She is gonna GUT that third beautiful kitchen."  Plus they were really on fire for a baby and a puppy, neither that they had yet!  Yes puppy finally showed up at the end.  She was too over the top and her sister was worse.

One thing I have to say for HH:  They said Mpls and all the homes were IN Mpls - it is peeve when they say Mpls and are in Forest Lake or White Bear Lake or Bloomington.    Just say "Twin Cities" if it is an issue!

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21 hours ago, pep4 said:

Florence to Florence episode:  Haha, what a fun family!  I wish all HH episodes were this well done.

Seems odd that with a $500k budget and 7 children they were looking at a much cheaper 4-bedroom house. 

But then..."Let's go find our kids, I'd like to take at least 4 of them home."

I agree. What a fun family! Also, what a refreshing change from some of the couples/families that have been on lately.

21 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

They were hysterical!     I loved the wife didn't like the fancy kitchen, but wanted something more homey.   

 

My guess is they had a fence company there for installation the second filming was over, if their pool didn't have one.    I think they had an iron fence on the three sides, on the Florence episode, so I'm betting that one was fenced.              

I found it funny too that it was the husband who wanted the fancy kitchen, not the wife.

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7 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Anyone catch the couple in Minneapolis last night?  They were moving from Chicago to Mpls and she was obsessed with a white kitchen - I found them unpleasant, especially her.  You have $600,000 to drop on a house?  Custom build one with some land!  

She was annoying. She was spoiled too! That was silly to expect to add a non important kitchen renovation for a house already over budget. And I thought it was silly for the husband to want the house where he had to worry about hitting his head because it was cheaper.

4 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I totally disliked the Minneapolis couple, and I think building their own house far away from anyone else would have been a great idea.   I'm sure no neighborhood is good enough for the princess, and I bet the neighbors are hoping she's going to sell and leave soon.  

I’m sure they’d dislike her and think she’s a total princess too.

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I hated the interior of the third house the St. Louis couple looked at. Those cheap gray laminate floors were awful. Everything was gray. The first house was my favorite; with some work it would be gorgeous (though small - 1600 square feet with five bedrooms) and the street was beautiful.

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I liked the St. Louis couple, thought they were pretty cool even if they were hipster, lol.  I figured they'd take the second house that already had the bed and another piece of furniture that I can't remember what it was.  That third gray all over house was awful.

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I was a bit skeptical of the St. Louis couple saying they traveled all over the country doing wedding photography. There are so many people who do that kind of photography now. Plus, they did look hipster and not exactly what an in demand professional wedding photographer would look like in my mind. But, what do I know.

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To me, they looked like the type of wedding photographers that millennials would want.

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I was prepared to roll my eyes and not like the St. Louis couple, but they were cool, and their dogs were great.  They didn't have any unreasonable demands, and didn't act like the entitled princes and princesses we have seen lately.  What's up with HH?  First the Florence to Florence couple with the 7 children, and now these people.  Keep 'em coming.

As for the house they chose, while I'm not a fan of that patterned tile, I liked it in the front porch/sunroom area.   

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On 1/15/2019 at 10:36 AM, Mrs. Hanson said:

Anyone catch the couple in Minneapolis last night?  They were moving from Chicago to Mpls and she was obsessed with a white kitchen - I found them unpleasant, especially her.  You have $600,000 to drop on a house?  Custom build one with some land!  

When the episode is titled "Minneapolis White Out" and they're standing in the brownish colored room in the first house with the test area of white paint on the wall, it was way too obvious which house they were going to pick.

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1 minute ago, BTBAM310 said:

When the episode is titled "Minneapolis White Out" and they're standing in the brownish colored room in the first house with the test area of white paint on the wall, it was way too obvious which house they were going to pick.

Ha!  I thought it was in reference to the snow we get, lol!!!  At least this couple did not complain endlessly about the snow and the cold, coming from Chicago and all.  Yes, Minnesota is cold - we know this, we live here.

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I love the wife in the Glendora, CA episode, and her sister the realtor.   However, the husband wanting Colonial in that area is nuts.  

What a surprise, they couldn't find a Colonial.  

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Chicago rerun from 2017 -- I liked this one because it wasn't all the same neighborhoods.  2/2 in Roscoe Village with great roof deck (over budget and they didn't give the assessments, but their budget was conservative), 3/2 house in Albany Park at the top of the budget, and 4/3 (I think, should double check) new-construction in Bridgeport.  I called Roscoe Village based on neighborhood (they were a very Roscoe Village couple), but of course that was never discussed.  (Among other things, RV has some of the better elementary schools, although with a 2/2 that might not have mattered, but it also suited them in general, Albany Park is gentrifying but has crime issues and is a bit farther away, and no way Bridgeport was anywhere near where they wanted to be.)

Personally, I wouldn't want to live that close to the L, but it might not be so bad on the ground, so I might have gone for AP.  AP in general has investment potential, but by the L is a problem for that.

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9 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I love the wife in the Glendora, CA episode, and her sister the realtor.   However, the husband wanting Colonial in that area is nuts.  

What a surprise, they couldn't find a Colonial.  

California-I liked all the family  too and knew they wouldn’t find a Colonial in that area. I’m glad they showed that they got a fence for the pool. Why do people put carpet in the bathroom though?

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