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I wish the show had spent a more than half a minute to explain why I should care about the ninth circle  

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Who is Black Canary? A Primer on DC’s First Bird of Prey
By Eric Frederiksen - February 16, 2019
https://batman-news.com/2019/02/16/who-is-black-canary/

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Rachel Skarsten portrayed the character in Birds of Prey, while Alaina Huffman took on the role in Smallville. Both of these came back when producers were terrified of comics, but in love with stuff like Blade that proved you could drop silly hero costumes in favor of some black leather. Over the course of Arrow, Black Canary has been portrayed by Caity Lotz as Sara Lance, Katie Cassidy as Laurel Lance of Earth-1 and a different Laurel Lance from Earth-2, and most recently by Juliana Harkavy as Dinah Drake.
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Black Canary’s been wearing most of this right since the beginning and most of her appearances have kept very true to this, especially in comics and animation. The comics have tinkered a few times, but she always ends up back in the original. The live-action appearances have taken more liberties, but Lotz’ Canary donned the leather jacket, corset, boots, and gloves while going with a slightly more functional pair of pants in place of fishnets. It was a surprisingly true adaptation of the costume – moreso than Cassidy’s bondage-biker look or the tragic bird-inspired version on Smallville. Harkavy’s look hews closer to the superhero costume Canary was given for the New 52 incarnation, but does a nice callback to the diamond fishnets with the padding on her current garb.

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... chatting with writers Collin Kelly and Jackson Lanzing on what we can expect from GREEN ARROW #50, the final issue.

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48 minutes ago, tv echo said:

This quiz is mostly based on the comics version - there are 15 questions and I scored 73% (which surprised me, since I've never read the GA comics)...

DC Quiz: How Well Do You REALLY Know Green Arrow?
Jonathan H. Kantor    Feb. 21, 2019
http://whatculture.com/comics/dc-quiz-how-well-do-you-really-know-green-arrow

Got 87%  

Too bad they don't tell you what the correct answers for the ones you missed (or even which ones you missed)

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I got 73%. The correct answers show up at the end of the quiz with the check marks if you got something wrong (your answer shows up in red instead of green).

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10 hours ago, olicityfan25 said:

I got 80%. They tell you the right answers to the ones you got wrong with showing a check mark on the right ones.

I redid the quiz giving the same answers just so I could scroll down and see what I got wrong.  Missed who created it and when it first debuted.  Somehow it doesn't make me feel bad about my knowledge base, lol.  

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GA #48 was written by Jackson Lanzing & Collin Kelly, with art by Javier Fernandez...

January 2019 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops
February 25, 2019
https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-01.html

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Units    Dollars    Comic-book Title    Issue    Price    On sale       Publisher    Est. units
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114         119          Green Arrow            48        $3.99    01/09/19       DC              18,989


To compare, here were the Dec. 2018 numbers:
https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-12.html

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100        103         Green Arrow             47        $3.99     12/05/18         DC            18,951 

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The DCeased comic book series (6 issues) is expected to launch on May 1 and apparently includes GA and BC among the superheroes...

DC's Making The Walking Dead BETTER With Superheroes
BY MATT MORRISON – ON FEB 27, 2019 
https://screenrant.com/dc-comic-zombie-apocalypse-dceased/

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The upcoming mini-series DCeased will place DC Comics' greatest heroes in a zombie apocalypse situation akin to The Walking Dead and test the heroic codes of the World's Finest heroes like never before. The Elseworlds tale will answer the question: how can heroes fight to save the world... when it's already doomed?
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CBR spoke with DCeased author Tom Taylor about the project and how it would differ from a typical comics event or horror series. Taylor explained that the action of the story will center around a plague which infects 600 million people and is spread through anything with a screen, transforming the infected into "violent, monstrous engines of destruction." Taylor further teased the project on his social media, revealing some of the dialogue in a series of Tweets, which can be viewed below.
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These lines hint at several dark events to come, starting with the apparent end of the Justice League. The second line almost certainly refers to Superman unleashing his full fury on Darkseid (we hope), who is suggested in the preview artwork to be the villain responsible for creating the deadly virus that dooms the Earth. The final line may be the most shocking, however, hinting at the hero Black Canary doing something so disturbing that it shatters the resolve of her long-time love-interest Green Arrow, who always addressed her as "Pretty Bird."

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1 hour ago, BkWurm1 said:

Really?  Zombies?  Lol

Night of the Living Deadpool.  

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The upcoming mini-series DCeased will place DC Comics' greatest heroes in a zombie apocalypse situation akin to The Walking Dead and test the heroic codes of the World's Finest heroes like never before. The Elseworlds tale will answer the question: how can heroes fight to save the world... when it's already doomed?

They all die, only Deadpool survives.  He gets bit, turns into a Zombie but his healing factor brings him back to life.  In the end Deadpool, gives up, allows the zombies to eat him and then they all turn into Deadpools.  The End. 😀

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12 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Night of the Living Deadpool.  

They all die, only Deadpool survives.  He gets bit, turns into a Zombie but his healing factor brings him back to life.  In the end Deadpool, gives up, allows the zombies to eat him and then they all turn into Deadpools.  The End. 😀

You know, because it’s Deadpool, I can’t be entirely sure whether you’re making that up or not. 😂 Even though I know he’s not a DC character. 😁

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29 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

You know, because it’s Deadpool, I can’t be entirely sure whether you’re making that up or not. 😂 Even though I know he’s not a DC character. 😁

That was the plot of a 4 issue comic a few years back.  It was actually really good, all B&W except for Deadpool who was his normal Black/Red/White color.

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I know they have occasionally done DC/Marvel crossovers.  Did Deadpool ever crossover and interact with the DC characters?

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1 minute ago, Starfish35 said:

I know they have occasionally done DC/Marvel crossovers.  Did Deadpool ever crossover and interact with the DC characters?

No, I was just making a joke. 

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GA #50 is the final issue (on sale tomorrow, March 6th)...

TAKE AIM WITH THIS EXCLUSIVE FIRST LOOK AT THE FINAL ISSUE OF GREEN ARROW
Ernie Estrella   Mar. 4, 2019
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/first-look-final-issue-green-arrow

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Life is unfair, and when it comes to the sacrifices of superheroes, true happiness is rare. In the pages of 2018's Justice League: No Justice, Oliver Queen, aka Green Arrow, was left to defend the Earth while the rest of the League went into outer space. Martian Manhunter appeased his anger by giving him a mysterious box, with a weapon that could take down the Justice League, which he kept secret from Dinah.  

But at the end of Green Arrow #49, Dina Lance AKA Black Canary, was given the orders from the government to take Oliver down because of his possession of this weapon. The two have one of the strongest relationships in mainstream comics, so pitting Black Canary against Green Arrow in the final issue is a heartbreaking tale, written by Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelly, drawn by Javier Fernandez and colored by John Kalisz.
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"When we accepted the task of ending this amazing series, we knew that Green Arrow had to be left in a position that would prep him for accepting an entirely new status quo," Kelly says. "Our one request was that we were able to not just change his world, but to destroy it."

"Oliver Queen is a man of mistakes, and while we genuinely love him, it’s also painfully clear that he needs to start fresh if he’s ever going to be the kind of man that someone like Dinah can actually commit to, long term. By striping everything from him — his relationship, his world, his perceived importance and the self-image he’s built around it — we hope to leave the audience with a man who can finally drop some of the bull**** that has been holding him back," he adds. "While this hurts, and we know it hurts, we are genuinely sorry for that. Our goal was nothing less than paving the way for a stronger, wiser and more self-realized Oliver Queen to one day rise again."
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"The real trick to writing an issue like Green Arrow #50 is delivering the last moments in relationships that mean so much to the readers, and to you," explained Lanzing. "The plot needs to give way to the characters, all the punching and jetpacks and superpowers need to act exclusively as a driving agent to get at the heart of the people whose stories are ending."

"This is the last time in quite some time anyone will see Ollie and Dinah together. This is the last time you’ll see that house in Seattle, the Arrowplane, the memory of Roy Harper, or even new elements like lefty superhero Jayce Riot, in a good while. Those moments have to matter, so the process leans much more heavily on what’s going to land the most emotional damage than what’s going to challenge a character’s powerset."

Sadly, this will also be Fernandez's last work on Green Arrow, who was just settling into a groove with Oliver Queen's world. Lanzing said that while Oliver and Dinah's fight with Vertigo the last two issues were a showcase of his Fernandez's use of perspective and inventive approach to action, Green Arrow #50 "lives and dies on emotions, on acting, and Javi proves that he’s capable of breaking your heart as easily as he blows your mind."

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The art in that, especially of Dinah looks terrible.

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Two reviews of Green Arrow #50 (warning: spoilers - of course)...

Review – Green Arrow #50: Ollie’s Last Stand
Posted on March 6, 2019 by Ray Goldfield
https://geekdad.com/2019/03/review-green-arrow-50-ollies-last-stand/

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Ray: It’s the final issue of Green Arrow for now, and Lanzing and Kelly bring Ollie’s story to a close in a dense and often confusing issue that ties together plots from the last few runs. Over the last few issues, we’ve seen Ollie start to spiral following the death of Roy Harper and his attempted murder at Citizen’s hands. But there’s also the long-dangling plot thread of the mysterious box J’onn J’onnz gave Ollie in case the Justice League ever needed to be stopped. It may have seemed like a good idea then, but Ollie’s declining mental state has made people question that. That’s where Black Canary comes in, and this story surprisingly picks up on plot threads from multiple reboots ago. Dinah’s past as a government agent with Skywatch goes back to the early days of the New 52 and I barely even remembered it was a thing, but that old connection calls her back into service to take down their target – Oliver Queen, so they can obtain the box and take an unstable vigilante off the table.

I’m not sure about this whole plot, honestly. Dinah’s decision to go along with her handlers to try to convince Ollie to go peacefully rings false. Ollie’s been distant and a little obsessive, yes, but he’s hardly gone off the deep end like some heroes have – even Batman in his own title recently. She spends most of the issue trying to play both sides, talking Ollie down even as she helps him escape assassination. Riot, the young vigilante introduced two months ago, plays a key role in forcing Ollie into a corner. The resolution of this issue, which leads to Ollie as a lone warrior again and exiled from Star City, comes rather abruptly and seems designed to pit him against the Justice League – especially after an odd ending that makes it seem like the Justice League was playing him all along, and then not. There’s a lot going on here, and it feels like this arc had to be wrapped up several issues early. I’m not sure what comes next for Ollie, but this wrap-up didn’t quite stick the landing. And we still don’t know why Emiko left!
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Corrina: The good: circling back to the mysterious box. The bad: making Dinah the fulcrum of the government going after Ollie. The Good: the suggestion their connection is because Dinah herself timelost/timechanged. The Bad: it keeps her history as a spy, which belonged to her mother in the new 52, sorta.

In other words, the plot does a disservice to Dinah and makes her current history a helluva lot more confusing than it ever was. And that’s saying a lot, as Black Canary’s history has had some really crazy moments.
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However, the art is tremendous, especially in the panel construction, with insert boxes that emphasize a particular item or person. ...

It’s just not enough to save the story.

Green Arrow #50 Review
March 6, 2019
https://www.weirdsciencedccomics.com/2019/03/green-arrow-50-review.html

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While this is an over-sized issue that has our hero kicking ass and taking names in an amazing way that we really haven't seen him do much of in this series........ it somehow feels a bit small because out of nowhere we have Black Canary's Team 7 past show up and order her to take Oliver Queen down and take possession of the Justice League box.  Now while this past coming back shows continuity that I love, it's just thrown out here and besides for Black Canary being ordered around and being accompanied by soldiers going after Green Arrow, we have no reason behind this or how this organization knew about the Justice League box.
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While I would have loved more lead up to this final issue's story, the biggest problem is Dinah Lance's flip flopping about how she feels throughout this issue and what this issue means for Green Arrow and Black Canary going forward because while things can be believed to be okay between the two by the end of the issue, when the two will be able to be together again is left open ended and the idea of what the Justice League box is....... is also left open ended.
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All in all, I'm not a fan of the art in this issue, but that's nothing new from me.  While I think that the action scenes involved are awesome, I think they would have been ten times better under a different artist and as for the story.......... there really isn't much of one.  I can't even say that this is much of a victory lap for a final issue because mostly it just has Oliver whining about not being like the other heroes in the DC Universe, while stepping aside because he's irrelevant.  There just isn't a satisfying conclusion to this issue and while there are some cool ideas and possible setups for what's to come from Oliver in the future...... there just isn't much to this story that should have been pretty important for all the elements involved.
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The story just kind of fizzles out, while the art doesn't do it any favors in my opinion.  There was a lot at stake it seemed here, until there just wasn't, but things are still left open in a way that leaves me frustrated because while answers are what you obviously want out of this issue...... it seems like the questions in general were just ignored to give an all out battle for Green Arrow, while leaving the character whimpering by the end.  Not a satisfying ending.

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GREEN ARROW Relaunch/Reset Coming from DC
By Chris Arrant, Editor   March 6, 2019
https://www.newsarama.com/44191-green-arrow-relaunch-reset-coming-from-dc.html

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A new Green Arrow title is in development, with DC planning to make the character "a bigger part of the DCU" according to co-publisher Dan DiDio. DiDio revealed this when asked about March 6's Green Arrow #50 - the final issue in the title's "Rebirth" era volume launched in 2016.

"It's a milestone issue - it's also the last issue, which is kind of interesting. The book is still performing well for us, but we decided to end the story there because we wanted Green Arrow to play very intricately in a lot of the stories and events that are about to take place across the DCU," DiDio said.
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"So because of that, it worked counter to the way the series was going and we didn't want to run in two seperate directions. So we're bringing one story to close and let this other chapter going," he continued. "But to be very frank with you, we will have another Green Arrow book. He's one of my favorite characters."

DiDio compared this to the recent relaunch of DC's Green Lantern titles with Grant Morrison and Liam Sharp's The Green Lantern.

"Every once in a while you need to do a reset. You saw that with Green Lanterns to The Green Lantern with Grant Morrison, so I feel that with Green Arrow we wanted to make moment to reset and make him part of the bigger DCU again then spin him out."

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I know it will be back after a relaunch but it feels kind of ironic that the comic book run is ending as we hear that the show will be too.

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On 3/7/2019 at 9:47 PM, Primal Slayer said:

Just as I thought they would.

Except it doesn't sound like one had anything to do with the other.  SA wanted to walk away for a year now.  The comics brought in new writers that they then pulled and replaced.  It's clear from that they had hoped to keep the comics going.  And it's not like they've had any real shared content.  Why assume they would cancel the comic because of Arrow or vice versa?  

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13 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Except it doesn't sound like one had anything to do with the other.  SA wanted to walk away for a year now.  The comics brought in new writers that they then pulled and replaced.  It's clear from that they had hoped to keep the comics going.  And it's not like they've had any real shared content.  Why assume they would cancel the comic because of Arrow or vice versa?  

I didnt mean anything about the show. Just that they'd relaunch the title not to long after cancelling it.

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The Green Lantern Homages a Classic Green Arrow Team-Up Issue
by Noah Dominguez – on Mar 15, 2019
https://www.cbr.com/green-lantern-classic-green-arrow-team-up-homage/

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DC Comics' The Green Lantern #8 will feature writer Grant Morrison and artist Liam Sharp's modern take on Dennis O'Neil and Neal Adams' classic Green Lantern/Green Arrow team-up comics.

Titled "Space Junkies," this issue will see Hal Jordan joining forces with Oliver Queen to take on a drug cartel from outer space who are using Earth as a distribution base. Of course, this is sure to evoke memories of the 1971 two-issue Green Lantern/Green Arrow story arc "Snowbirds Don't Fly," which saw Hal and Oliver tracking down a group of junkies who had turned to mugging to get drug money. That arc somewhat infamously revealed that Oliver's sidekick Roy Harper/Speedy was one of them.
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THE GREEN LANTERN #8

  •  written by GRANT MORRISON
  • art and cover by LIAM SHARP
  • variant cover by TONI INFANTE
  • Green Lantern teams up with Green Arrow to stop a cosmic drug cartel that’s using Earth as its main distribution base! It’s a brilliant homage to the team-ups of old, as Morrison and Sharp do the 2019 version in a story we can only call “Space Junkies!”
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February sales figures are just out for Green Arrow #49...

February 2019 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops
March 18, 2019
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-02.html

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Units    Dollars    Comic-book Title    Issue    Price    On sale    Publisher        Est. units
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114        119           Green Arrow            48         $3.99    01/09/19    DC            18,989

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As you know, Green Arrow #50 went on sale March 6, 2019 - fyi, here's detailed spoilers...

Green Arrow's Finale Reveals His Anti-Justice League Weapon (Sort Of)
by Renaldo Matadeen – on Mar 19, 2019 i
https://www.cbr.com/green-arrow-anti-justice-league-weapon/

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Green Arrow #50 serves as a series finale, charting a new course for Oliver Queen, and one that is sure to have a lot of drama between him and Black Canary moving forward. Not to mention there'll be a lot of tension with the Justice League. Ollie ends the issue ticked off at these beings who come off as gods to mortals like him, and he swears to be there to oppose them when they step out of line, clearly harboring a grudge for which he wants resolution.

And the main reason for all this resentment is that, at long last, we finally find out what's in the box that the Martian Manhunter gave him at the end of Justice League: No Justice, which was supposed to take the League down. Well, we sort of find out, because at first glance it seems like J'onn J'onzz pacified him and played Ollie with a worthless MacGuffin -- when really and truly there's more bubbling beneath the surface.
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This bookending issue sees Black Canary (Dinah Lance) trying to procure the box from Ollie on behalf of the U.S. government. However, they end up fighting, as he believes he's the only one who can be entrusted with it and bear the burden of whatever contents are inside. What ensues is a breakneck high-speed chase and a well-choreographed battle after he recovers the box from an aquatic lair in Lake Washington. When the government's agents confront a weary Green Arrow, though, Canary has her lover's back.

They take down the swarming agents, but when they get outnumbered, a vigilante Dinah hired, Jayce, speeds in on her bike and kidnaps Oliver, removing him from the scene. When the dust settles and Jayce leaves, Ollie's torn. He's grateful for Dinah's help, but bitter about how things went down. At least he knows that, despite their flawed chemistry and often complicated relationship, her motivations are based more on love than sympathy.

Ollie's had a torrid time coping with Roy Harper's death, and with that depression legitimately creeping in, he's more reclusive, as he doesn't want to become the archetype of a wallowing, self-deprecating superhero. Nonetheless, he believes he's got it figured out and proceeds to open the box, only to find... nothing.

That's right, it's empty. But this time, there's no bravado, barnstorming antics or slapstick comedy from Green Arrow, or any apparent forgiveness forthcoming. When No Justice occurred, he defended the planet barehanded with Amanda Waller while the League was off Earth. This reward, or lack thereof, is insulting, and he vows to exact revenge on the haughty League someday for this.

He especially keeps J'onn in mind as someone who's patronizing and ostentatious through these actions, which you can't blame Ollie for thinking because his ego's truly dented. Ollie isn't even a crutch for the League or a bench player, he genuinely feels like a throwaway asset.
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His relationship has broken down in the wake of Roy's death, as he blames the League's Sanctuary for Red Arrow's murder. And we know he's always had an inferiority complex as someone without powers.

Now, seeing how he risked his life for an empty box, even brawling with the love of his life, well, let's just say that, while he's gone into hiding in civilian gear, Ollie is going to be plotting retribution. But as he walks away, leaving the ornate wooden box in the mountains, there's a green glow inside it, which leaves us wondering what the heck really is inside.
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Is it magical? Cosmic? We don't know why it wasn't visible to him, but the scary thing is it's now there in the open for the government to find. Nonetheless, Ollie departs with his head held high, setting up a requisite future adventure, but sadly, it's one that could spell doom and gloom for his former allies when the title relaunches.

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