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19 hours ago, Bastet said:

And when Jake got a turtle, she moved down a spot.

That line made me laugh in the midst of feeling sorry for her. 

As Brock said, at his house she could be the kid she's entitled to be, instead of being regarded as the second adult (ahead of her sister and brother-in-law who actually were adults) in the household as she was at Reba's.

I appreciated the position that Reba was in, in that she knew she shouldn't be bailing Cheyenne and Van out all the time but feeling like she couldn't let them fall on their asses because of Elizabeth.  And I understand her being sad and even hurt that one of her kids no longer wanted to live with her.  But I thought she was out of line in her reaction to Kyra requesting it and Brock saying yes.  That's her father, it's a better home for Kyra, and they're just around the damn corner -- don't treat it as a betrayal.  I loved Kyra sticking to her guns and handing over her key.

Reba came around, obviously, and she may even have apologized to Kyra (in that family therapy episode with Martin Mull?), but I don't think she ever did to Brock.

I felt Brock never learned anything over the course of the series. Even when they focused on him being diagnosed as clinically depressed and how he and his theorpist believed that putting his practice on hold for a bit and trying his hand and professional golfing. Especially, when it was revealed he decided to not do it since Reba was pregnant with Cheyenne at the time and decided to be stable. However, when Barbara Jean felt that no one should be depressed if you are married and happy (she was such an air head about that). Plus add in the actress playing Kyra's real life eating disorder. They pretty much just dropped it all and decided to spend the next season like nothing ever happened. I also never really saw Brock realizing he did some very stupid things, even thinking he made a mistake. He made some real stupid decisions and almost had Van's parents thoughts thinking Cheyenne should go away (as many people in the late 90s believed teen age pregnancy should be treated). However, when the series ended and the stupidity of bringing 7th Heaven back for an 11th season after it had wrapped up. The series felt so rushed that I think given another season with a proper wrap up, we would have seen Brock apologizing and Reba meeting someone new. 

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35 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

When Reba was rushed to the hospital after passing out at van and shiann’s vow renual where the heck was Henery Jake and kyra?

And Elizabeth.

Maybe we're suppose to think Kyra is watching the younger ones, even though she wasn't at the wedding.

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On 7/18/2016 at 7:26 PM, Steff said:

Then at his house once, it was on & I realized that Sandy Cory (one of my teenage summer crushes from Another World soap) was Brock & I was hooked. 

I thought I was the only one who remembered him from Another World. Loved that soap...even my hubby watched that one when we were teenagers.

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Steve Howey's physical transformation from Reba to Shameless is so weird. It's like two totally different people.

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Anyone remember the short lived sitcom The Charmings? I've seen Christopher Rich in many things since, but he'll always be Prince Charming to me.

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So while reading some old articles about Scarlett Pomers battle with anorexia, something jumped out at me-she mentioned how one of the reasons she lost weight so drastically was because she was stressed when the show came close to being cancelled, resulting in production delays.  I wasn't aware of the show almost being cancelled after season 4 and i'm curious as to what exactly caused the show to get nearly cancelled and then delayed that time.  

I always did suspect that WB resented having to air a show it did not own(it was created and owned by FOX as opposed to WB, and networks tend not to treat shows they don't own very well) and actively tried to sabotage the show because of it. Interestingly it wasn't the only FOX owned show aired by another network to get that treatment, George Lopez also got mistreated by ABC because of that(it was frequently put up against American Idol). 

I also began to get suspicious that there was executive meddling in season 5 of both shows, as in both cases the teenage girl characters(Carmen and Kyra) largely faded into the background.  With Carmen after the season 5 premiere, she never got any of her own subplots again, she would pretty just show up for one or two jokes per episode and that was it, seemed like things were headed that way for Kyra as well before Scarlett's anorexia forced her into rehab.  But I couldn't help but suspect that the network execs used her anorexia as a convenient excuse for to ignore her character and instead focus more on other characters(cause apparently someone thought Jake needed more screentime), I always wondered why the execs thought it would be easier to cut her out of most of season 5 altogether instead of working around her rehab. True she was in a residential facility, but only for two months, surely the network could've made arrangements with the facility to have her do filming a couple times of week(Keifer Sutherland did have such an arrangement for 24 while he was in jail for his D.U.I. where the jail would've let him out once a week to do filming for season 7, the only reason that didn't end up happening is because the writers strike led to season 7 getting delayed, so he opted to do all his jail time at once) and if that wasn't possible, surely they could've delayed the season some more until she was out of the facility, seeing as it had already been delayed once before. 

I think what happened was the writers were starting to run out of ideas for Kyra and they saw Scarlett's anorexia as the perfect opportunity to move on with the show without her character, and that was something that always bugged me about me season 5(don't get me wrong I still enjoyed that season, but Kyra's absence for most of it was very noticeable for me. On a related note I was thinking of doing another topic where people could make suggestions for what Kyra would've said in the episodes where she didn't appear).  I just somehow imagine if it had been one of the other actors who was suffering from anorexia, that the network execs would've been willing to work with them so they could still be in the season.  The fact that the network was not willing to work with Scarlett(the execs apparently forced her off the show, while the cast and her parents certainly wanted her to get help, I can't imagine they were happy that the show was going on without her) tells me that the execs thought so little of Kyra as a character that they could just continue season 5 like normal without even acknowledging her absence, and that really rubbed me the wrong way.  

I remember all the suspense of whether the show was cancelled or not after season 5, and I was pretty angry at the prospect of never getting any further developments for Kyra as a character, so I was delighted when she returned in season 6 and openly acknowledged Scarlett's disorder.  Though I did feel like Kyra was somewhat underutilized in that season too, as she only had a handful of subplots compared to previous seasons.

Sorry for my long rambling post, this is just something I wanted to get off my chest and this forum seemed like the best place for it since TV.com's communities are barely active(god I miss the old TV.com forums so much, there was one guy on the Reba forums who did really damn good fan-fiction, he seriously could've been a writer for the show).

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On 7/24/2015 at 9:00 PM, Bastet said:

I generally only stop to watch seasons two through four, and didn't discover the show until it was in syndication, but I was quite surprised by how much I enjoyed it and wound up watching the series the whole way through and buying the first four seasons on DVD. 

 

It sounds terrible on paper, and I don't think much of McEntire as an actor (hell of a singing voice, though), but the cast works well together, Barbara Jean and Van are terrific characters (when they're the two who read worst to me on paper), the evolving relationship between Barbara Jean and Reba is worth the price of admission, and the writers do a pretty good job of exploring the dynamics of a blended family.

 

It's alarming to watch Scarlett Pomers get so skinny, and it was an interesting choice to never address Kyra's absence.  But I love what they do when she comes back -- "Where have you been?"  It's a ripoff of Roseanne when Lecy Goranson returns as Becky, but it works here too.  Does anyone who watched in real time remember if it was known at the time her absence was due to treatment for anorexia?  Because Kyra's "Getting something to eat" answer seems like a reference, especially since they did it twice.

I was always kind of bothered that season 5 went on without her, it struck me as more then a little disrespectful for the execs to not even try to work around her rehab so she could still be on the show.  I just couldn't imagine them doing that with any of the adult characters on the show if one of their actors happened to be dealing with anorexia. I get the sense the writers were running out of ideas for Kyra and the execs saw Scarlett's anorexia as a get-out-of-jail free card to not have to write her character anymore.  For the few times she did show up in season 5, I could sense that her character was starting to go the same route as Carmen did in season 5 of George Lopez, where she stopped getting her own subplots and only showed up for a joke or two per episode. So even if Scarlett hadn't had her battle with anorexia(or the show hadn't nearly gotten cancelled and then delayed before season 5 started production, as Scarlett mentioned in interviews how that was a major factor in her extreme weight loss, so nice going there execs!) I still get the feeling Kyra would've largely faded into the background, only showing up every once in a while for the occasional joke or two.  

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On 7/17/2016 at 10:24 AM, Big Mother said:

I'm around episode 6 and loving it. Brock and Reba have so much chemistry I'm still scratching my head why he would cheat on her with that ditzy, airhead, empty-brain Barbara Jean. In general, why are so many characters painted as stupid? Van is so dim, I wouldn't marry him even if I was pregnant with his kid. Ugh.

To be fair he does get considerably smarter as the show goes on(though he still has has blunders), and honestly Cheyenne's often not that bright herself, so I think they make a perfect couple.

On 9/17/2017 at 8:18 PM, aquarian1 said:

I felt the same way when I "discovered" the show the same way, via syndication, a couple of years ago.

I caught season 6 when it originally ran, and I remember being shocked when it ended, cause before watching it, I wasn't aware that episode 13 of that season was the final episode as I was used to the previous seasons having 22 episodes.

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On 10/17/2017 at 9:19 PM, msani19 said:

This was a show that I oddly found myself enjoying when it was on. I remember that the show was canceled, not that Reba decided to end it. It was still funny and probably had another year in it. If it wasn't for the network change from the WB to the CW, I think that they might have had another year. The way it happened seemed to take the cast by surprise.

I really thought the show was fun and pretty well acted. I don't remember if this was Reba's first acting job, but she did well in this role (but not so much in the subsequent role she had – that was rough!)

I did find it fascinating that Reba really never got to have a long-lasting relationship or even a friend outside of the family. I remember the woman from the 1st season who was her best friend, but I didn't like the character. I'm disappointed that they just didn't find another real friend for Reba. I will say that despite it being a funny plot point, I was always annoyed with Barbara Jean wanting to be Reba's BFF. I know they got a lot of laughs from "you stole my husband!" but come one, Reba had to have been a freaking saint to put up with her and Brock the way she did. All Barbara Jean would have gotten from me is “bitch, get out of my house before I drag your extra tall behind outta here and don’t you dare walk back in here”. But that’s just me :-)

She did do some acting before this series, most notably in the first Tremors film, she was pretty funny there.

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On 10/21/2017 at 7:46 AM, readster said:

Good question, especially when the main plot was around how her husband of so many years left her for his assistant and had a baby with her right afterwards. Something that bothered me, when we met Barbara Jean's father, how he hated Brock. But, oh blinded that his daughter had a hand in the affair and then had a baby with him. No, why would she have any fault in that. I hated how Kira was written as the series went along. Her jealous that her niece was getting all the attention, feeling she get more attention moving in with Brock and BJ, then being teased and bullied by classmates about her sister having a baby as a senior in high school. Because you know, teen pregnancies are a 4 letter word. As they had the principal say: "In our world, sex doesn't exist." Over the course of the series, they treated people as brainless rednecks if it they were in the education or political system in the world of Reba. I remember one school writing letters going: "I'm sorry, but we are not like that, we still love the show, but stop acting like we live on another planet here in Texas." I think Reba deserved to have a more serious adult relationship, but barely lasted 2 episodes. 

Well the sad part is some places really ARE like that, Abstinence-only education in high schools was a real controversy at the time the show was airing(and it's attempting to make a comeback under the current administration) and i'm sure the school principal character was the show's way of taking shots at that sort of thing.  

I thought the principal was over-the-top until I heard about Rick Perry. 

The way Kyra was written felt realistic to me.

On 11/4/2017 at 8:05 AM, readster said:

I felt Brock never learned from all the crap he did over the years, especially in the flashbacks of him early on. How he "fell" for Barbra Jean made little sense. They could have gone some good places when they introduced that he was clinically depressed that lasted for several episodes. Even BJ's reaction thinking that someone shouldn't be depressed if they have a wife and family at home. Then learning that depression doesn't work that way. However, by the time we got to the final season, Brock had really taken off to super ass, of course the actor was also starting to moonlight on Boston Legal at the time. For Van, when they had him start realizing how he had to work hard for things and be a good role model, he was great in the role. When they wanted to keep back peddling on him being stupid or more naive than Barbra Jean, it made him look horrible. Reason why I got tired of Kira's character after the move out. You got why she wanted to move out, she wanted to be a regular teen, but then she hated being a regular teen. I also know that the actresses eating disorder was playing a role in things too, but Kira started becoming an entitled brat more than her sister later on. 

I disagree on Kyra, it made sense how she was written.  Part of her attitude stemmed from stress over Barbra Jean and Brock fighting.  Kyra already had to live through seeing her parents split up, so I can see how her dad and step-mom then fighting and separating had a negative effect on her.

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This sitcom proves that you don't have to have an original plot, or be over the top to be successful.  All you have to have are performers with comic timing, good writing, and chemistry amongst the actors.  Melissa Peterman and Reba E. had great comic chemistry that anytime Melissa Peterman got another sitcom (baby daddy, etc).. I always knew Reba would be guest starring :)

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Yeah, I felt that we started seeing that in season 4 towards the end. Some of the things with Kyra made sense and then some made me go: "Really? Seriously?" After I had read about Scarlet's disorder. Things made sense, but really, Growing Pains way back in the day found a way to work things out with Tracy Gold when she was dealing with anorexia. They not only had her go to college, but even had her show up on occasion. Same with Kesley Grammer on Fraiser when he went into rehab or Matthew Perry on Friends with his pain killer addiction. They made things work and while they didn't go into detail on their problems in the show. There was acknowledgement. I felt that the writers decided to focus on season 5 since the CW was happening and they knew they were not a favorite with TPTB during that time. So, I think they were also trying to prove they could still work as a series with one of the main kids gone. 

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Sorry but I hated Kyra. The season she was gone was fun and it was a relief not needing to brace yourself knowing one of her nasty remarks was coming. 

It was like they want the character to be Darlene Connor but she couldn't pull it off. She just seemed mean without layers. And the actress' perpetual sneer didn't help.

I hope Scarlett is happy and healthy but I just can't stand Kyra.

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Early Kyra was an interesting character.  I remember the episode where she got to go on a trip to Washington but then couldn’t go because Reba decided to spend the limited money she had to pay for Cheyenne and Van who had missed college registration to party or something.  I understood Kyra’s anger she had done the right thing and earned an awesome trip but perpetual screwup Cheyanne kept getting second second chances.  I think this was the last straw and when she moved in with Her dad and I didn’t really blame her.  

Earlier then that when she got into a fight at school and wouldn’t tell anyone that she did it in part because everyone was calling Cheyenne names.   Of course everyone assuming she was like her sister had hurt but she still tried to defend her sister at that point.

Plus I always thought Kyra and Van had an interesting relationship.

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45 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Early Kyra was an interesting character.  I think this was the last straw and when she moved in with Her dad and I didn’t really blame her.  

Earlier then that when she got into a fight at school and wouldn’t tell anyone that she did it in part because everyone was calling Cheyenne names.   Of course everyone assuming she was like her sister had hurt but she still tried to defend her sister at that point.

Plus I always thought Kyra and Van had an interesting relationship.

Early Kyra was interesting, but later on after she did move in with Van and BJ, she started walking that line between interesting and downright hateful. The school fight story line could have been interesting until it was revealed that Kyra wanted to get kicked out of school because she couldn't stand the bullying. Which then kind of made little sense, because she hated being bullied, but then punched a girl who was calling Cheyenne a "slut". The story line was trying to have it both ways, that bully is horrible and usually made by people who have their own issues and at this point Chey and Van had been out of high school for almost 2 years at that point. I kind of wanted to roll my eyes, because you know, there were no teen pregnancies in the 90s and early 2000s. Hell, it was becoming so common that Mtv created reality TV shows based off of them. 

  That said, when Kyra came back in the final season, it was a nice balance. I think at that time, they had her basically grow up and realize that things were not as bad as she believed. People were petty and Chey and Van were never going to change. However, her purposely putting the garage door up in Van's garage door office was mean. Plus, also pained how stupid they made Van over the course. Seriously, he had the books and stuff fall from having the garage door put up the first time. He couldn't have move said shelves or been: "I didn't think the first time about that, won't make the same mistake." 

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4 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

Early Kyra was an interesting character.  I remember the episode where she got to go on a trip to Washington but then couldn’t go because Reba decided to spend the limited money she had to pay for Cheyenne and Van who had missed college registration to party or something.

Cheyenne had missed so many classes she didn't get credit for some of her courses, so if she didn't earn them in summer school she wasn't going to qualify as a full-time student anymore and would thus lose Elizabeth's slot in the school's daycare.  So the money that Reba was going to use for Kyra's trip was used for Cheyenne's tuition instead.

I love that storyline, where Reba tells Cheyenne she's afraid she's screwing up by bailing her out all the time, that what she really should do is let her fall on her ass, but because of Elizabeth she can't bring herself to do it.  And when Kyra has finally had enough of coming in last in that house, and decides to go live at Brock's instead.  I may have actually cheered her.

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