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S05.E05: Surprise Surprise

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Cate and Tyler meet with Brandon and Teresa; Maci tells Ryan and his family that she's having a baby with Taylor; Amber confronts Gary about his flirting; and Farrah is hurt that she wasn't included in the season at its start.

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Wtf did Maci do with her TM money? She definitely didn't put it into her home. She lives in a pretty cheap area and has a pretty plain and small home and then it's right off a pretty busy interstate it seemed. Maci is hung up on Ryan. It's just odd, she definitely doesn't seem to be in the right state of mind to be having another child with someone.

The T&C and B&T showdown is just dumb, they obviously have some regret over giving up Carly. Unfortunately it's not B&T's fault. They need to get some help for that and not involve B&T and Carly.

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It pains me to say this, but Tyler has a point here.  Don't bemoan him putting up pictures of Carly on Facebook and all that crap, and in the same breath trot her out to Dr. Drew or put her in magazines and stuff.  I just wish they'd close the adoption and let everyone move on with their lives.

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It just bugs me that Tyler keeps saying "my kid". I mean...she's not your kid. That's the problem right there. They aren't watching her for you to, she turns 18. Carly belongs to them.

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She lives in a pretty cheap area and has a pretty plain and small home and then it's right off a pretty busy interstate it seemed

I feel like maybe that's not Maci's legit home. Notice that there are few pictures around, very little decor or window treatments...I don't know. I remember thinking in the first episode this season that it seemed like a cheap rental used to keep the locale of her home a secret. It does seem to be right off a very busy road and maybe beside some kind of gas station.

 

Brandon seems like a very nice, normal guy. Teresa seems like she has a LOT of anger and sadness still pent up, understandably...I don't know. I have to say, Tyler did kind of have a point about B&T involving themselves in the media without the show or C&T dragging them into it. Tyler was very cute with Carly. I know he can be abrasive and fame-whorey, but considering the shit life he's had, I still think he's a rather decent dude. To be sure, these two are going to be trapped in the past without hope for freedom from their younger lives and choices as long as they stay linked with the show. It's sad.

 

I feel so, so sorry for Kristina. Gary is just a fucking deplorable bag of ass.

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Oh my GOD, Catelynn looked orange when she was putting that makeup on to meet B&T. Why didn't anyone tell her how horrible she looked?! The fourth wall is broken, the producers need to say something.

Why does Maci only ever talk about Ryan? Move on already!

Gary is an asshole. He knew this was all gonna air on TV. Poor Kristina, having to see this now, right during her pregnancy. When is she due? Gotta be soon (if not already.)

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Kristina saying she feels like she's not good enough for Gary...DaFuq??

I see BrandonandTeresa giving interviews or magazine covers is sort of like when one of Adams girlfriends was posting pics of Aubree on her Facebook page. I can post whatever I want of MY kid. YOU need my permission to post pics of my kids.

I mean I can call my sister a bitch but you had better watch your damned mouth about her.

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Holy crap the smirk on Gary's face when he gets Kristina to cry because he refuses to stop saying "you never know what's going to happen" is fucking sickening. I frankly never thought of Gary as smart enough to be so purposefully cruel but that scene was so horrid. The glee he has in inflicting emotional anguish on his girlfriend, who is carrying his child is just sick. I didn't watch all previous seasons - if this is how he treated Amber I'm starting to understand why she goes from 0 - 60 with him . Not condoning it, but I think even sober Amber's not capable of using her words to describe the impact of his particular brand of mindfuckery. Poor leah - here's hoping he limits this behavior to his beavy of low self-esteem, emotionally stunted admirers and doesn't turn it onto his child.

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Full disclosure, I would marry Ryan just for his awesome parents. All verbal communication would be done through them and he can sit there and be pretty all he wants, but I'm in it for Jen and Larry! They are hilarious. Died at Ryan's "Good luck" and his handshake. He knows what Taylor is in for.

Tyler....just Tyler. What can we say about this entitled man child that hasn't been said before? Brandon and Theresa's classy "bitch, please" faces gave me life. They were too kind to him during his mini temper tantrum. I understand what he's saying about them putting her in magazines but he can't post a picture on twitter and their reasoning falls short, but I think it all comes back to the fact that it's their kid. Their choices. They can share and control what they want about their kid. They want a Carly billboard? Fine. Their kid, their decision. Tyler wants one? Not this kid or his decision.

Also very kind of them to let the cameras be present but not show Carly's face. Nice compromise, because that's what adults do, Tyler. Take note. I liked that they gave them Carly's old things. They seem like good people who got caught up in this show and have to make the best of it. Carly's little voice is adorable.

Is there a reason we aren't hearing the actual conversations that Amber is talking about? I thought they were required to put all calls on speaker phone but we never hear the gross things she claims Gary has been saying. I hope Kristina promptly packs up Gary's crap and throws it on the lawn after this episode. "I never said I didn't want the kid, I just said it was an accident and I wasn't ready!!" She's too good for him, pity she was dumb enough to get with him in the first place.

Not here for Farrah. I'm already exhausted.

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4 minutes of Farrah? Screw you MTV. I kinda feel Farrah. First MTV dissed her and acted like she was all crazy pants (she is), but then once they realize how boring the other girls are here they come a-callin.

Maci should tell the truth and shame the devil. Say you won't be married before the baby arrives because Taylor isnt trying to marry your ass. And quit giving safe sex seminars. That's a wrap for you. Maybe give talks on how to attempt to trap a man with a baby. That seems more honest.

While I wouldn't kick Ryan out of bed for eating crackers, I would kick his ass out for dipping snuff. Ugh. That shit is so gross.

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I would have loved it if the producers told Farrah that if she didn't calm her stupid ass down, the show would walk.  Yeah, they need her for ratings probably, but letter her know that allows her to act like even more of an entitled ass than she normally does.

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I'm surprised (in a good way) that Maci feels so close to Jen and Larry. I mean it makes sense, they are Bentley's "other parent" since all Ryan seems to do is drop Bentley off with his parents and leave when it's his turn to have him. It's Ryan's parents that are instilling morals, values, enforcing rules, feeding/bathing etc. I thought it was cute that she was nervous to tell them bc she knew they'd be a bit disappointed at her having another kid without being married and that she felt bad that this kid wouldn't be any blood relation to them. I thought Larry's congratulations to her and Taylor was very real. I thing it's good for Bentley too to see his grandparents -- who provide stability for him -- think of his brother or sister as being a good thing, even if it isn't their real grandkid; I think it'll help Bentley accept the child that much more easily.

 

Not sure what Ryan stormed off about -- I guess it was about not being with Shelby anymore -- but his parents seem so over it.

 

Seeing B&T versus C&T -- you see how mature/ready B&T were/are to be parents in comparison to Catelynn and Tyler. When Tyler was throwing his hissy fit about social media, Brandon was totally calm and steady and while Teresa reacted a bit facially when he said -- when you don't explain why I can't post pics, I do it out of retaliation -- I think Teresa didn't say anything bad. It was good that Brandon pointed out that they have NEVER threatened to close the adoption and Teresa said -- well, we're here. I think Catelynn is 95% of the reason that B&T haven't closed the adoption. You can see Teresa and Brandon even can "feel" a little bit of the mom's pain in giving up her child and they don't want to "punish" her for giving them a child by totally cutting her out. I though the scene where Teresa hugged Catelynn and said she would love her child so much seemed pretty real. Part of me wonders if B&T are a bit relieved that C&T are "moving on" with another child because maybe they'll be a bit too "busy" with their own kid to be posting videos about Carly. I mean they haven't made themselves busy with anything in the last 6 yrs -- school, work etc. -- so they have all the time in the world to be thinking about their social media profile and every so often Tyler realizes that they are probably slipping in the public's awareness, and out comes a new Carly video. Maybe with their own family, they won't have the time or even if they have time -- they can opt to post pics of their own kid.

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Farrah's face is unrecognizable. Her profile shot showed her huge plastic surgery duck lips. Porn must pay well, that was quite a house. 

 

B&T were way too kind with Tyler. It's not his kid. and if B&T choose to put their child in a magazine, they are free to do it. That doesn't mean Tyler has a free pass on posting pics. 

 

Gary is a huge asshole. WTF is up with him dissing his gf that way? He is just gross. 

 

Ryan is a douche. 

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I am here to announce that I now watch Teen Mom, not for the babies, but for Larry.  There I said it.  I feel so much better, but I really like him.

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Tyler used the word "we" a little too much during the B&T meeting considering he was talking about HIS feelings.

Damn Deb! Lookin' good!...and it's not just the weight lost...I didn't notice the usual bags she always had drooping off her eyes.

"Farrah Abraham style" indeed.

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I wish there was no '4th wall', I want them to rig those houses Big Brother style and make a show that's real. Get some 24/7 footage instead of this bullshit...we agreed to talk about...we need an intro...

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I am down with the Larry love too. He hugged Maci and said I love you! He is awesome.

I think Gary's mom does a lot of the heavy lifting for Leah but geez her make up gun set to whore.

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I think Gary's mom does a lot of the heavy lifting for Leah but geez her make up gun set to whore.

It's not her fault...she got tricked into buying most of TM2 Leah's Mary Kay stash.

Is there something weird about Gary's eyebrows? I think they're getting swallowed into the abyss of his forehead rolls.

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Four minutes of Farrah is four minutes too many. I don't want her back. She's SO far up her own ass, it's asinine.

 

I agree.  I'll probably fast forward on her.  She has really messed up her face.  It's hard to look at.  I actually find her face more deformed than a person who has been in a horrific accident. 

 

 And I can't stand the way she treats her mother and father.  Either accept them for who they are or don't have them so closely involved in your every day life. 

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I love reading everyone's comments!! You are all so dead o. And hilarious!! When I watched the show tonight, I thought, ooh I can't wait to read about Gary getting nailed on this site... Such an idiot.

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Amber is Exactly. The. Same. She didn't invite Gary over to talk; she invited him over to scream at him and order him out, complete with a "you made me do this!" straight out of the Abuser 101 Handbook.

 

I think Ryan's parents are a lot more into being on the show than he is. I know he willingly signed up for it, but I wonder how much he got leaned on by his parents, production, Maci, etc.

 

 

see BrandonandTeresa giving interviews or magazine covers is sort of like when one of Adams girlfriends was posting pics of Aubree on her Facebook page. I can post whatever I want of MY kid. YOU need my permission to post pics of my kids.

 

 

Where was the smackdown?!?! They validated all of Tyler's entitled-ness.

 

Is there a reason we aren't hearing the actual conversations that Amber is talking about? I thought they were required to put all calls on speaker phone but we never hear the gross things she claims Gary has been saying.

 

 

Great point. Has she shown any of the text messages to the camera or anything?

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When did Gary's mom graduate from clown college? Maybe she just passed the clown makeup class.

I bet she got an A in that class.

Gary seems to be losing all of his hair, his eyebrows seem to have disappeared now.

Speaking of hair, is Ryan going grey already?

Amber's cousin's kid has the same stoned basset hound face as his mom. Poor kid.

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Wow, this show is utter garbage.

 

Farrah makes Ryan look like a mature adult. Why'd she agree to do this show, if she was going to act like that? She made herself look like a complete headcase nutjob... Well, even more than we all suspected.

 

B & T took more of the high road than I would have. Tyler just doesn't get it. Carly is THEIR kid, not his. If they want to put her picture on posters and sell it for the general public on an MTV website, it's THEIR prerogative, not his.

 

I knew Amber had not changed an iota. Loaded or sober, she's still the same.

 

Maci...wonder where HER parents are, and how they feel about her getting knocked up, again, before marriage? Ryan's parents, nice as they were, don't really count. The kids isn't theirs or their problem.

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Did Brandon and Teresa adopt a 2nd baby? When they were outside walking away from the meeting, I thought I noticed each one holding a child.

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It pains me to say this, but Tyler has a point here.  Don't bemoan him putting up pictures of Carly on Facebook and all that crap, and in the same breath trot her out to Dr. Drew or put her in magazines and stuff.  I just wish they'd close the adoption and let everyone move on with their lives.

The difference is: B and T are Carly's parents.

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I think a lot was left out of that meeting with Brandon and Theresa. When Brandon mentioned that they have never threatened to close the adoption and Theresa said something like well that's why we are here, it made me think that maybe off camera more was said about what will happen if Tyler can't control himself. Also I don't agree at all with his point about their decision to do a magazine article. He keeps mentioning that to everyone like that's his big amazing solid point but like others said here, it's not the same because it is Brandon and Theresa's child and they can do WHATEVER THE FUCK they want with her. It doesn't mean Tyler can do it because they did it first. How does he not understand that?? Tyler is just so dumb and immature. I really really hate how he calls Carly "my kid." He really needs to stop doing that. What does Catelyn even see in him? He's a horrible person.

Gary also is an absolute bag of shit. Who says to their current girlfriend "well it's true, no one knows what is going to happen!!!!!" Well yes technically that's true. Anything can happen that might ruin even the strongest relationship. But it's still nice to be confident in your love for someone or express that you love someone enough that you want to be with only them. hes acting like oh well no one can predict the future so since none of us are psychic that means anything could happen!!! God everyone on this show is so, so stupid.

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Hey i don't know if yall ever read your messages. But I wanted to tell yall your new baby girl is do beautiful and yall are very good parents! And I hope I don't upset yall but I also wanted to yall that it absolutely crushes my heart when yall only get to be with Carly once a year. It hurts me so much i cried last night. I know I'm just a huge fan and I'm nobody but yall are really good parents and yall deserve to have Carly back or get some kind of visitions with her. I don't know anything about open adoption but yall deserve to have your baby back. I hope one day yall can all be a family together the 4 of yall. :)

 

 

The above post is from facebook.  God, are people this stupid?  No wonder Tyler thinks he deserves to have a say in Carly's life.  Um no.  I hate that stupid people feed Tyler's stupid attitude.

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Surprise, surprise is right! I was surprised that Gary actually knocked Tyler off the top of the douche pyramid last night. I mean, I wasn't surprised that Gary was douchey, just surprised that Tyler wasn't MORE douchey. But yea, Gary with his sexual harassment of Amber and utter dismissal of the woman who takes care of his child daily, just made me ill. Who does he think he is? He is such a disgusting, nasty pig. I cannot see how he could get one girl to cry over him, let alone two. Kristina, run for the hills, girl! 

 

 

 

 

 

But yea, the meeting between C&T and B&T went SO much better than I thought it would. I was actually kind of let down, because I wanted to see Tyler get taken to task. But Teresa (who did most of the talking) was very gracious, while still being firm about the pictures. It did annoy me when Tyler brought up them doing their own interviews and putting pictures out there, almost as if he was calling them hypocrites. I just can't see it that way. They're the parents, they choose what pictures to share and with whom. Period. But other than that, Tyler really toned it down, and I'm glad they can keep things going....mostly for Catelynn's sake. 

 

Oh, the other thing that annoyed me, was before the meeting took place, Tyler kept saying, "I can't wait to see my kid". MY kid. I don't know....maybe that is how parents that gave up a child think of them, but it just sounded off to me. It gave me the impression that Tyler really thinks Carly is HIS, and they just outsourced the raising of her to B&T, like she's at boarding school or something. 

 

 

 

Not much to say about Maci's segment, other than I kind of love her relationship with Jen and Larry. Like others, I wonder where Maci's parents are, why they aren't being shown. Do they just not want to be on TV? Or have they become estranged for some reason? Maci mentioned telling her Grandma about the pregnancy, but has said nothing about her own parents or how they took it. But I like that she thinks of Ryan's folks as second parents. Since Ryan is such a prick, it's nice that she can have a good relationship with Bentley's grandparents, outside of him. And Larry was just so cute with his, "Why would we be disappointed?" He seems like such a nice dude. And I loved when he told Ryan, "You argue with everybody!" Exactly! He has some serious issues, because he really can't get along with anyone - parents, girlfriends, ex-girlfriends. He even pitches a fit when his 5-year-old says something unflattering. It's not them, it's you, buddy. 

 

 

 

And speaking of nasty - the return of Farrah! Wow, she was such a jerk to the crew. I mean, I guess I can understand her being hurt about how things went down. But if your pride was wounded that badly, why acquiesce? What I would have done would be NOT come back on the show. Stick it to them, and watch their ratings suffer. She chose to do it, even though she was not first choice, so buckle up and deal with it. 

 

Deborah's in Seattle now? What??? That family is so weird. 

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I felt genuinely sad for Catelynn in that meeting. The way she looked at Tyler when he was saying if he was told no posting of pics without a reason, he was gonna do it anyway was so sad. Hes a petulant child. I almost expected him to cross his arms and hold his breath. Cate knows that if he doesn't get his bullshit in check she is going to lose Carly again.

She really doesn't have the self esteem to stand up to him. What is so terrifying to these girls about standing on their own two feet? All of the eir worth is wrapped up in having a man. Well, boy. None of these guys qualify as men.

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They "deserve" to get Carly back, or at least get "visitions"? Wow, I weep for our future. Well, I guess if Tyler wants to hang his hat on the validation he gets from barely literate preteens, we can't take that away from him.

 

Why won't Tyler see that he doesn't have to understand or agree with B&T? It does not matter if he thinks it's unfair that he can't post pictures. It doesn't matter if B&T tell him not to do something and don't tell him why. An open adoption does not mean this is ongoing transaction open to negotiation between the parties, with either party deciding to change the terms at any given time. B&T are not live in nannies that can be fired, or that report to Tyler in any way. I wish Kim and Cate would stop enabling him.

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I see BrandonandTeresa giving interviews or magazine covers is sort of like when one of Adams girlfriends was posting pics of Aubree on her Facebook page. I can post whatever I want of MY kid. YOU need my permission to post pics of my kids.

 

Exactly. It's about control. Brandon and Teresa need to feel comfortable, that they have control over how much is out there about their child, and where. The way Tyler goes about it is also very self-serving, IMO. He's trying to garner likes, whereas Teresa shared that when she does press it's because she wants to have a platform to speak about adoption. I think they probably don't mind a few shots of Carly being out there (as they choose), but they don't want her to become overexposed, on some fan site for instance. 

 

Is there a reason we aren't hearing the actual conversations that Amber is talking about? I thought they were required to put all calls on speaker phone but we never hear the gross things she claims Gary has been saying.

 

I think that's only during filming. It's quite possible Gary is intentionally calling Amber when he knows she isn't being filmed. I don't think the cameras are there 24-7. 

 

I am here to announce that I now watch Teen Mom, not for the babies, but for Larry.  There I said it.  I feel so much better, but I really like him.

 

Larry is amazing. I really want him and Jeff (from Teen Mom2) to get their own show. 

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Comment on Gary and Amber, tonight's episode showed a side of Gary that they haven't shown us before.  He always appeared to be the victim of Amber's physical and verbal abuse but what they showed from him was straight up emotional abuse towards both Amber and Kristina.  There is no excuse for Amber's reaction but he is not without blame.  He has no business blowing up her phone messing with her head while he has a girlfriend who is carrying his child.  I can't say that I wouldn't lose my cool if someone was intentionally messing with my emotions.

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Yea. I think both Gary AND Amber are very nasty people, but in different ways. Amber is like an out-of-control asshole. She has a bad temper and just flips out at the slightest provocation. Gary is more of a measured, controlled asshole. He strikes me as one of those people who knows how to push someone else's buttons, get them to attack him, and make himself look like the victim. I wouldn't put it past him to have wanted Amber to hit him on camera. 

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I wonder how Ryan's gf, Shelby thought it was hard to date someone w a kid? Ryan doesn't have Bentley that much does he? I love how Ryan's mom outted the real reason they broke up

Comment on Gary and Amber, tonight's episode showed a side of Gary that they haven't shown us before. He always appeared to be the victim of Amber's physical and verbal abuse but what they showed from him was straight up emotional abuse towards both Amber and Kristina. There is no excuse for Amber's reaction but he is not without blame. He has no business blowing up her phone messing with her head while he has a girlfriend who is carrying his child. I can't say that I wouldn't lose my cool if someone was intentionally messing with my emotions.

Sorry I was going to comment on the quote and didn't realize I hadn't sent my last post!

...great points Miasmomma!! They finally revealed the true Gary tonight!

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