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Lennie Briscoe Was NOT Great: Unpopular Opinions

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On 12/12/2018 at 8:36 AM, Xeliou66 said:

Since Robinette did return as a defense attorney a few times, they could’ve had a scene of him and Lupo together.

I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I never cared for Robinette when he returned as a defense attorney, while it was nice to see him, I didn’t like how much of an angry race baiter he had become.

 

On 12/13/2018 at 5:52 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Not an unpopular opinion! But that wasn't Robinette! No it wasn't! It was POD!Paul!

POD!PAUL!

And I didn't believe him when he said "all these years I was wrong." BULLSHIT. He dealt with others calling him "Oreo" and being frustrated that he was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Had to deal with learning heroes he admired or who inspired him to become a lawyer, to help people, were corrupt. He could have gotten a job on Wall Street. But he didn't. They tried to scale back the "Angry Black Man" race baiter from the first two appearances in his final one, but nope. Nope. But that wasn't My Paul. That was his EVUHL TWIN, POD!PAUL.

And on a purely shallow note, does that man NOT age???!! He was most recently on The Flash, as a villain! But he looks the SAME! DAYUM.

No it was ripped from the headlines. Any similarity to Los Angeles Deputy DA turned race baiting defense attorney Johnnie Cochran was intentional, despite the disclaimer. And they should be paying his estate royalties every time a defense attorney Paul Robinette episode shows up on Law & Order or Chicago Justice if that one year is ever folded into a syndication package.

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I don't know how unpopular, but I really hated that they implied Olivet and Logan had a fling and Jack had to bring it up in court (I'm blanking on the ep but it was during the Logan CI years). I liked them as just friends.

I hated how the ended it with Ed when he left, but I really loved him saying that Lennie's death had really affected him. I even was happy to see Rey and Van Buren meet up too - I liked that they finally did a few gracenotes about the show's long history. OTOH, there was a Criminal Intent that was almost a dead rewrite of Seed - even called Seeds - and I wish Logan had mentioned it (Seed is the doctor who impregnates all the women coming for IVF. I really like that particular ep for the character work of the mains, plus it has two Guiding Light alums in it as well).

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I didn’t care for the hint of the Logan/Olivet relationship either, they never explicitly confirmed it though.

Green’s exit was disappointing, but I loved the reference to Briscoe and how his death had affected Green, Briscoe was awesome and I loved the Briscoe/Green partnership, so that was a great reference, and I found the final scenes between Green and Van Buren and Lupo to be good and it was a good start to the Lupo/Bernard partnership. 

I liked Curtis’ cameo in season 20, I never cared for Curtis but it was nice to get to see what he was doing and i liked how him and Van Buren talked about Briscoe, also note how Curtis said “Morris told me you were sick” to Van Buren, Morris I’m sure is Morris LaMotte, the detective that we often saw in the background of the squad room for a few seasons, I thought that was a terrific reference as well, to show that LaMotte had kept up with Curtis and Van Buren, a cool Easter Egg for L&O fans.

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I loved the "reveal" (in quotes because they never showed it IN SHOW) that Mike and Liz were involved. AFTER she had helped him through his grief over Max's murder. Maybe it's the romantic in me, but when she was raped, Mike's reaction to it, gave me vibes it more than anger and rage toward a respected colleague. I know that I, and others back over on TWoP, SO wanted Mike to show up on the Mothership to sock Jack in the face for revealing that relationship, which according to the show, LIz had told Jack in confidence.

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9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I loved the "reveal" (in quotes because they never showed it IN SHOW) that Mike and Liz were involved. AFTER she had helped him through his grief over Max's murder. Maybe it's the romantic in me, but when she was raped, Mike's reaction to it, gave me vibes it more than anger and rage toward a respected colleague. I know that I, and others back over on TWoP, SO wanted Mike to show up on the Mothership to sock Jack in the face for revealing that relationship, which according to the show, LIz had told Jack in confidence.

I agree about Logan’s reaction after Olivet’s assault, he was very enraged about it, I could definitely buy that Logan and Olivet had a relationship, I just don’t like to get into the characters personal lives and I liked how they left it ambiguous as to whether it was Logan that Olivet had a relationship with. I had no problem with Jack revealing the info to Cutter, Olivet was very self righteous in that episode and the defense she was presenting turned out to be total bullshit.

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On 1/3/2019 at 8:37 PM, Xeliou66 said:

I liked Curtis’ cameo in season 20, I never cared for Curtis but it was nice to get to see what he was doing and i liked how him and Van Buren talked about Briscoe, also note how Curtis said “Morris told me you were sick” to Van Buren, Morris I’m sure is Morris LaMotte, the detective that we often saw in the background of the squad room for a few seasons, I thought that was a terrific reference as well, to show that LaMotte had kept up with Curtis and Van Buren, a cool Easter Egg for L&O fans.

That whole scene was a nice little bit of continuity and characterization (which so many wrongly insist that the show never did!) I kind of wish that they had done a spinoff centered  on LaMotte and Profaci with special guest star Jerry Orbach handing them the file they were looking for...

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