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8 hours ago, BuckeyeLou said:

Don't know if some folks here watched the 2 hour movie/wrap-up of "Timeless"....but I chuckled when Lucy(portraying a journalist during the Korean War, when asked her name, said "Rachel Maddow" :)  The writers of that show must be Rachel fans...

I wonder if Rachel knows?

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Tonight’s Iran-Contra revisit was a flashback to my political awakening! I was a very naive 18 year old in 1984 and voted for Reagan, having bought the whole Morning in America slogan. Two years later, I was in my college union tv room, joining fellow students in yelling LIAR! at the tv while watching Ollie North testify. 

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I was a very naive 18 year old in 1984

We're about the same age!  I was the lone Democrat in my high school walking around with my Mondale pin while everyone else was for Reagan.   When he campaigned at the St Louis Arch, I even went down there with my protest sign.  I will say, everyone in the crowd was lovely and even let me get up front so I could see.  I'm not sure if they thought I was cute because I was (and still are) kind of short and non threatening or because, heh, there was no way Reagan was going to lose.  "isn't she adorable with her loser sign". 

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Those were the good old days! When Congress actually held hearings in public, and people watched them and cared about what the lies were!

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Oh, you babies. I was eligible to vote for the first time in 1972, when the voting age was 21. I voted for Nixon. The next year I got sick and ended up in the hospital for over 2 weeks. Only 4 channels on the TV, so watched the Watergate hearings every day. What an eye opener. Changed my voting habits.

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chessiegal: The voting age dropped to 18 in time for 1972. I know, because I was one of the beneficiaries. I voted for McGovern.

 

suomi: What's your source on the claim that Woodward is/was CIA? I've never heard this either. In Woodward's entry at Wikipedia, there's a quote from the CIA head saying he *wished* he had recruited him.

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5 hours ago, wendyg said:

suomi: What's your source on the claim that Woodward is/was CIA? I've never heard this either. In Woodward's entry at Wikipedia, there's a quote from the CIA head saying he *wished* he had recruited him.

On 12/7/2018 at 3:45 AM, suomi said:

Reading Russ Baker's book  Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America's Invisible Government, and The Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years

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Looking it up, I see that book's claims have been heavily questioned. I'll have to look for another source to back it up. For the moment, I'm dubious. Journalists do not typically want second jobs that require them to swear to secrecy.

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Inquiring minds want to know: why does it take at least three hours for TRMS to be posted to the NBC app when LOD is up and running much earlier, even though his show is after Rachel's?

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This inquiring mind wants to know why the damn app isn't on Android?

And for the podcasts, if one is really late it is Lawrence, sometimes as much as a day.

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On 3/3/2019 at 11:18 AM, wendyg said:

Looking it up, I see that book's claims have been heavily questioned. I'll have to look for another source to back it up. For the moment, I'm dubious.

Journalists do not typically want second jobs that require them to swear to secrecy.

The irony is that in 1977 (the year following the book All The President's Men) Carl Bernstein revealed 25+ years of CIA's relationship with over 400 American journalists. 

Washington Post owner Philip Graham is reported to have said he was told by a CIA operative that members of the press were easier and cheaper than prostitutes. “You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month,” the Company man told the Post man.

Operation Mockingbird, millions of pages released via FOIA, media types who on request wrote, edited, published and printed at the direction of CIA (some were former or current CIA):  Philip (former CIA) and Katharine Graham, Washington Post; Joseph Harsch, Christian Science Monitor; Henry Luce, Time and Life; Walter Lippman, Los Angeles Times; William Paley, CBS; John Scott, Time; Harry Schwartz, New York Times; Chalmers Roberts, Washington Post; Malcolm Muir, Newsweek; Joseph and Stewart Alsop, former OSS/CIA, nationally syndicated columnists and reporters, New York Herald Tribune and Saturday Evening Post; William F. Buckley, former CIA, National Review; Thomas Braden, former OSS/CIA, newspaper publisher, syndicated columnist, CNN commentator; Lila and DeWitt Wallace, Reader's Digest.
 

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After Nixon aide Charles Colson met with Senator Howard Baker (the ranking Republican on the Senate Watergate Committee) and his staff - including legal counsel (and future US senator) Fred Thompson - he recounted the session in a previously unpublished memo: “The CIA has been unable to determine whether Bob Woodward was employed by the Agency. The Agency claims to be having difficulty checking personnel files. Thompson says he believes the delay merely means that they don’t want to admit Woodward was in the Agency." 

Thompson wrote a lengthy memo to Baker, complaining about the CIA’s noncooperation, that they were supplying material piecemeal and had been very uncooperative. 

Senator Baker sent this 1974 memo directly to CIA Director William Colby with a cover note, and within a matter of a few hours an incensed Woodward called Baker. The memo had been immediately leaked to the Post reporter.

Woodward’s good connections helped generate a series of exclusive-access interviews that would result in rapidly-produced bestsellers.

The underlying thread is whether or not Woodward's CIA status is tied to Nixon's intuition and suspicion that CIA was the prime mover in the Watergate break-in. Did CIA use extra-legal means to instigate Nixon's removal (violating its charter which limits it to operating on foreign soil) and then use one of its operatives to tell a story quite different from the whole story? 

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Without looking up all those names, I can tell you that some of those weren't journalists - they were *publishers*. Katharine Graham owned the Post; if she actually did the journalist's job before she became a publisher I didn't know that. Luce was the publisher of Time; William Paley ran CBS, he didn't report for it. Etc.

But I'll have to concede the point.

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