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S01.E05: And The Apple Of Discord

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I would prefer more Flynn and less Cassandra.

Hmmm...is there any chance that the reason Ezekiel and Cassandra have been drawn as such annoying personalities is because they will be offed (no doubt due to their own lack of common sense) as soon as Noah Wylie is done with Falling Skies so he can return to The Librarians?

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Jenkins and DuLac must be the same sort of entity, whatever that is, because in the previous episode Jenkins started to say "WE aren't that easy to kill" then changed it to "HE isn't" when told about DuLac jumping from the plane.

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Jenkins and DuLac must be the same sort of entity, whatever that is, because in the previous episode Jenkins started to say "WE aren't that easy to kill" then changed it to "HE isn't" when told about DuLac jumping from the plane.

If all the speculations about them being Arthurian characters turn out to be wrong, I'm guessing escaped genies from bottles.
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gawd help us no, just no.  I would no longer watch.  Laroquette is one of my least favorite actors of all time.  The only time I've like him was when he was on "The Black Sheep Squadron."  The thought of the show centering about him would chase me right off Chris Kane or not.

JL might not be my favorite actor and I wouldn't want the show to be centered around him, but seriously, the guy is acting rings around everybody else.

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After the Santa episode, this has probably been my favorite episode of the season so far. I feel like the cast is beginning to gel and settle down a bit. I didn't think Ezekiel was too annoying this outing. My one (and recurring pet peeve) is when Cassandra goes on one of her mindgrape rants and just spits out seemingly random words-- it drives me nuts. I get that it's supposed to be a stream on consciousness thing but it gets annoying. I did enjoy her being evil though, and using math to be active, rather than reactive.

 

I am definitely interested in the shared history and background between Jenkins and Dulaque-- given that the first episode revolved around the crown of King Arthur and Excalibur (not to mention the name Dulaque/DuLac/Du Lac), my mind is definitely on the Arthurian bent. My first thought was that Jenkins is either Arthur or Merlin, so I guess we'll see.

 

This show is full of cheese, but I love the Warehouse 13/Indiana Jones vibe and it's fun. I do agree they could pull back a little-- Noah Wyle, in particular (and I love him) seems to be a bit manic when onscreen.

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 If she was meant to be an Amazon, though, her name may have been written in Greek and just interpreted by Ezekiel as a string of consonants. 

Recent research indicates that Amazons might have had Scythian names, described in the article as "repeated hard, friction-filled sounds, such as "kh," ... making them diagnosable as archaic Scythian sounds rendered phonetically in Greek phrases on the vases."

 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140923-amazon-greek-vase-translations-science/

 

 

C) someone in the writers' room has a folklore degree and broke out the specialist knowledge that maybe ten people would ever get (which I've totally done myself before, so, very plausible).

That sounds like the sort of thing Rogers used to write about the Leverage writers doing, so yes, very plausble.

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I was bored, & they need to get rid of Cassandra because she bugs me more each week.

 

Ezekiel gets that prize for me with his annoying banter. Hope he'll be the first librarian to be killed off.

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I was annoyed that they've all lost iQ points since I saw them last. Both Flynn and Baird went after the apple with bare hands, Baird created the problem in the first place because she couldn't see that Flynn was busy, Ezekiel was being deliberately obtuse. I also thought that the episode suffered for being focused on the weakest characters played by the weakest actors - Cassandra and Baird. I felt myself rolling my eyes at one point going geez show stop trying to make Cassandra happen already - which is not good for the old suspension of disbelief, let me tell you. All in all, I'm quickly losing the hope I've been holding from the 3rd episode. 

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...So what I'm left with is either A), she was an Amazon with a calling card written in Greek, which stumped Ezekiel (plausible), B) they just liked the visuals of a very tall, stern, athletic-looking woman and went for a joke over a backstory (also plausible), or C) someone in the writers' room has a folklore degree and broke out the specialist knowledge that maybe ten people would ever get (which I've totally done myself before, so, very plausible)....

I'm guessing B at least had a something to do with it, and I can't stop wondering whether the actor self-identifies as feminine or masculine.

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I won't say i'm hate-watching this show; I call it pain-watching, as in tolerating the painful parts for the sake of the amusing parts (and for the sake of family members to seem to be enjoying it all more than I am). 

 

Someone elsewhere tweeted (and mentioned in another thread here) that this episode had buried references to both Buckaroo Banzai and The Middleman.  I'm afraid I missed them both! Could anyone fill me in as to what those were and/or where they dropped, please?

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Someone elsewhere tweeted (and mentioned in another thread here) that this episode had buried references to both Buckaroo Banzai and The Middleman.  I'm afraid I missed them both! Could anyone fill me in as to what those were and/or where they dropped, please?

 

I missed the references as well -- and I really enjoyed the Middleman so I'm surprised I missed it.  Come to think of it, Wendy Watson would be a great addition as a Librarian in Training.

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For the love of all that is holy may the woman who plays Cassandra *****never***** get cast as an "evil" person. She is hands down my least favorite person on the show, even more so than Ezekiel.

Why did neither Flynn nor Eve pick up the apple with a cloth or something? Super ridiculous...

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Why did neither Flynn nor Eve pick up the apple with a cloth or something? Super ridiculous...

 

Are we sure that this would have prevented them from showing their worst self? When Stone picked it, he first had no direct contact with the apple, it was still in that pearl or whatever that was. Stone picked the pearl, his eyes glowed pink and he locked them up. The pearl broke later in the gallery, when Stone was fighting with a guard for a painting. Doubt any shred of simple cloth would have been useful as protection against the Apple of Discord. And they likely thought they had to act fast so no stranger would take it instead, hoping that somehow the others would find a way to take the apple from them when they had figured out how to protect themselves from the effects or how to control it.

 

Logically it would have made sense to let Baird take the apple, assuming she is the one with the least cunning mind, turning maybe into a remorseless fighting machine or so (although as much her worst self could be a coward) but still more easy to control by the others eventually than polymath Flynn. Not that Flynn could have ever let Baird take the brunt, after all he is still the guy in charge, isn't he. Still Flynn's move was not smart, him under the influence of the apple was not the most reasonable idea.

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I think the show is getting better, but I want Ezekiel and Cassandra to leave. I'd like to see Ezekiel steal something from the library, get locked up in prison, and Jenkins deciding to leave him there.

Cassandra, they can kill off anytime.

They should center the show around Christian Kane.

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At the beginning of the episode, Flynn makes his grand entrance, reveals that it is dragons, then makes an off the cuff "Hey, you got the door working!" comment. If he was not expecting the door to work, why was he not surprised to find himself in The Annex? Shouldn't there have been more of a "How did I...oh, hey, you got the door working?!"

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Shows where an object makes a character act their worst/act evil annoy me.  I think Stone's over-the-board behavior in the museum made more sense than Cassandra and whatever she was planning with the power plant (electrocuting people?  really?).  

It was nice seeing Flynn again but all the characters act so cartoonish it's hard to take them seriously, so I'm still not too into the show yet. 

I actually don't mind Ezekiel too much.  His grin is infectious and I don't think he means any harm.  I agree it would be nice to know how he is qualified to be a Librarian.  I did find the subplot in this episode with the meeting a little boring, though it should have been fun.

I also really hate the villains on this show.

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