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  1. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I have to side eye some of these people coming forward now, or coming forward once they were fired or no longer working with Michael Jackson to say they saw things at Neverland and other places with MJ and young boys. Why couldn't they be bothered to tell the truth years or decades ago? Was getting a paycheck more important than stopping children from being abused? I know the answer. Money and fame seem to trump everything else. Which is so sad and despicable. Oddly, this kind of reminds me of all the people who were, "I knew OJ was beating up on Nicole before he was ever charged with her murder. Nicole and I were great friends." Where were these people when Nicole was alive? With friends like this. . . . .
  2. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I think Michael did buy into the hype, as many people who become rich and famous do. People who worked with Jackson in the late 1990s and earlier 2000s said he wanted back the kind of fame he had in the early 1980s. MJ wanted everyone, not just his hardcore fans, to adore him just the way he was (I guess that means he wanted people to accept his "pure" love for little boys, and appreciate his music). Which sounds crazy, but MJ really was a bad combination of things (Pedophile, rich, famous, and delusional). Pedophiles who don't have Jackson's money and fame will still use all the same rationales he did to try and make themselves and others believe that they aren't doing anything wrong. Jackson had the money, power, and fame to get away with a lot. People don't like believing that the "great" teacher at school, the Little League Coach, etc., would do these kinds of things. Elevating someone to "God Status" makes it that much easier for them to think they have the right to do anything they want.
  3. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I don't doubt Joe Jackson was an abusive monster, however, for all the complaining MJ did about not having a childhood, he loved his success and being famous. He loved being on stage. Jackson had millions to do whatever he wanted with, and he continued to tour for years. MJ chose to leave the Jackson 5, and pursue a solo career. Marlon decided to leave the Jackson 5, and went into real estate. There are videos from the early 80s of MJ working with people when he was making videos, on tour, etc., and he is very adult and very much in charge. There was no giggling, or I'm just an overgrown kid nonsense. So why develop the immature childish act years later?
  4. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I was in junior high when Thriller the album and the song came out, and my older sisters had listened to the Jackson 5. Michael Jackson was huge, and there were all these rumors that his dates with Brooke Shields, Tatum O'Neal, etc., weren't real because he was gay. Then other songs and other groups came along, and I forgot all about MJ. Then in 1993, when the Chandler charges were being discussed, I was watching some of the news clips of MJ, and my first thought was, "Damn, what the hell did you do to your face?" Once the Chandler's accepted the money, I once again, forgot all about Michael Jackson until 2003. The more MJ talked, and he did not do a lot of talking, the more squicked out I became. Then my thought was, "If I was this guy's attorney, I would be telling him to STFU ASAP." I heard when Jackson died he was cash poor, but the trustees of his estate managed the trust he left for his children and his mother, and it is quite substantial now.
  5. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    To me, Michael Jackson's public persona was more of an indictment than any of the people who testified against him or for him. My opinion maybe colored by the fact that I watched Michael Jackson go from a child star to an adult entertainer, and the I just want to be a six year old kid MJ didn't show up until later. In the early 1980s, he was known for being reclusive, but he didn't act like a child. After what happened in 1993, if Jackson was just a victim of people who wanted to blackmail him for money, why the hell did he keep putting himself back in those kinds of situations. If he wanted to help sick and disadvantaged children, there were ways to do it that wouldn't have looked so shady. Then there were all the interviews where MJ was questioning what was so wrong about sleeping with children, loving children, etc., that just gave me such a creepy icky vibe.
  6. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    In 1993, when the charges were dropped/or never filed, and the Chandlers took money to go away, I did think MJ was innocent, and they were just extorting money from him. I probably would have thought the same thing from the trial in 2003/2005 because all of the prosecution's witnesses were shady to say the least, but MJ's interviews and documentaries he willingly participated in, was what changed my mind.
  7. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    It wasn't just the children that changed their stories. There were people who worked at Neverland that originally said they hadn't seen anything inappropriate with Jackson and the children who visited. They then testified they had seen Jackson molesting young boys, only for it to be revealed that they had been fired from Neverland for stealing. The prosecutor was so intent on convicting Jackson, he didn't build a solid case.
  8. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    The fact that people kept changing their stories would make me doubt that Jackson was a pedophile, if Jackson himself hadn't given interviews where he makes all the same despicable excuses other child molesters have made when they got caught. Unfortunately, the prosecutor jumped the gun, and didn't really vet the Arvizo family before he filed charges, and overplayed his hand. I don't know if any of the other boys would have ever come forward while MJ was alive, but when your witnesses are a family of con-artists who have tried to extort money from other known stars, you've dug a hole for yourself before the trial even gets underway.
  9. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I could to. One reason I could see Culkin not being one of MJ's victims is because Culkin was still around MJ after he became an adult, and was godparent to one of MJ's children. Whereas, when the boys MJ molested aged out, he eventually dropped them. Also, the cynic in me believes that at least some if not all of MJ's entourage knew what he was up to, and advised him to stay away from certain kids because they didn't want the money train to stop. The more control MJ tried to take of things himself, the more he screwed up (personally and financially).
  10. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I don't think they are uncommon at all. Despite everything that is now known about MJ, Cosby, Weinstein, Spacey, etc., there are still people who defend Roman Polanski - a guy who was convicted of drugging, raping, and sodomizing a teenage girl.
  11. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    And it worked for a while. Along with his taking gifts to sick children at the hospital, donating money to charity, and having parties for sick children at Neverland, there were Jackson's claims that adults always wanted to make money off of him so he liked spending his free time doing things he didn't get to do as a child because he was working when he was a kid. So originally, he might have seemed eccentric, but not dangerous.
  12. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    This was part of the problem the jury had when they were deliberating. Of the boys who did accuse MJ of molesting them - one of their families, the Chandlers, accepted money to go away, and the Arvizos were known con-artists. They had previously tried to extort money from George Lopez and Chris Tucker. Some of the jurors felt like there were actual victims, but they were the ones who were testifying that Jackson hadn't molested them. They couldn't convict Jackson on their belief or feeling that he was a pedophile. They needed actual evidence. Early on Jackson was smart. He was giving money to children's charities, and visiting children in the hospital in the various cities he toured in, before he ever built Neverland. Lots of people have favorite charities. Originally, it looked like MJ wanted to help children, and several of the children invited to Neverland had cancer or other illnesses. I'm surprised Culkin's father never tried to extort money from MJ, even though Culkin denies there was any abuse. Culkin's father was also a nasty piece of work. Him and Joe Jackson would have got along great. Thanks for posting this.
  13. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    From what everyone says, and again can't really know for sure, Michael adored his mother. Maybe that changed over time as he got older. However, his Will left everything to his children and his mother.
  14. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    Katherine Jackson put up with Joe Jackson for decades, and Michael Jackson paid ALL of her bills even after he moved out on his own. If Katherine Jackson didn't speak up against Joe, why would she say anything about her son. It seems, and it's hard to know for sure because so many of these people keep changing their stories, that Michael Jackson had children he was just friends with, while there were others he molested. Not only did Culkin and Feldman say MJ never harmed them in any way, Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo both changed their stories and said MJ didn't molest them. Jackson paid the Chandlers $22 million to go away, and Gavin Arvizo's family had a history of committing fraud, perjury, and extortion. Wade Robson testified that MJ didn't molest him, but then admitted later he had.
  15. TigerLynx

    S03.E08: The White Elephant

    Sophie would have known the consequences. Even if power in parliament changes, Victoria could still keep Sophie around if she wanted to. The servants who served the royals were actually in a good position considering the times. Lots of women would rather have been a maid to the queen than married to a poor man who treated them like crap, and expected them to have a dozen children. Joseph might have been able to make his fortune in America, but if Joseph abandoned Sophie, which happened regularly to women, Sophie's options would have been very limited, and not so pleasant.
  16. TigerLynx

    S06.E10: The Cryptobanker

    Lizzie is just fucking useless. She screws up everything. I miss Mr. Kaplan. She knew how to get things done.
  17. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I can't fault people for liking Michael Jackson's music. I'm not even surprised by people who don't want to believe the allegations. In the 1980s, it wasn't just that MJ was a superstar, he was a child entertainer who started out poor, became rich, and was supporting his entire family. He also gave a lot of money to charities, and to help children. There are really no words to describe what it's like to discover someone who you thought was a good person turning out to be a pedophile. It doesn't help that there were so many people willing to cover up the truth for MJ just like they did for Cosby and all the other rapists, pedophiles, abusers, etc. Even the parents of these children were willing to look the other way so long as they were able to get money from MJ.
  18. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    Four of the jurors from MJ's trial were interviewed. Some of the very people, not just children, who testified at his trial have now changed their stories. The jurors kept waiting for some actual evidence, as opposed to just people testifying - yes, he did, no he didn't, but they never got any. They thought the prosecution would have something from the search warrants that were executed at Neverland and his condo, but they didn't present anything. I can understand children being manipulated by or coerced by adults to lie or cover up the truth. It happens all the time. However, these parents, and several other adults that were involved in all this, are at the very least guilty of being horrible parents and guardians.
  19. TigerLynx

    S05. E15. Between the Seats.

    Which is why I said I could never be a diplomat. My first response would have been, "You brain dead idiots want to murder this young girl because she talked to a guy on a plane? Are you really this despicable and fucking stupid?" The writers really did drop the ball on not having any follow up with the idiot girl who posted the video in the first place.
  20. TigerLynx

    S05. E15. Between the Seats.

    I could never be a diplomat. My thought this entire episode was - "Why the hell are they wasting time talking to these despicable, backasswards, barbaric, neanderthal men who want to kill a young girl because she talked to a guy on a plane. Just kill all the idiot men who are still living in the dark ages. Problem solved."
  21. TigerLynx

    S03.E08: The White Elephant

    I don't know why they did this stupid rewriting of history with Feo. Since they did, I wish someone would point out to Feo that if George had really wanted to marry her, he would have. Notice that Victoria had no problem putting Sophie's husband in his place. Sophie would be smart to accept Victoria's offer of protection. It may sound romantic to run off to America with Joseph, but reality would be something else. I do love the notion that everyone in America is free and equal. Tell that to the Native American Indians, the Chinese, the African-Americans, and oh yeah White Women to. Feo should have taken the olive branch Victoria was offering her. Feo got what she wanted, Victoria was footing the bills, buying things for Feo and Heidi (which Queen Victoria actually did), and the match Albert was proposing for Heidi was a good one. Victoria sounded very Queenish with Sophie, Hunter, and Feo. This season was pointless.
  22. If they wanted to make this notdeadbaby SL interesting, they shouldn't have had it be about Steffy/Liam/Hope. That SL is dead on arrival.
  23. There actually is no such thing as joint custody. One parent is usually the "primary" and has custody of the children while the other parent has visitation rights. That's to provide stability for the child. Liam should have Kelly on weekends, sometimes during the week though, and he shouldn't have to go to Steffy's to see her. There is no reason for Kelly not to stay at Liam's on the weekend. Hope may be grieving her baby, but this crap of Hope pushing Liam to Steffy has been done before, and it is beyond old.
  24. TigerLynx

    S03.E07: A Public Inconvenience

    Not only is it made up, but the idiot writers didn't even bother to address their own made up premise - Feo resents Vic for something mommy did. Instead they have Vic and Albert acting like three year olds throwing things, and stomping off in a huff. What would have been so hard about Vic telling Al why Feo resents her, and Al asking Vic if she could perhaps try to be more understanding of Feo even though Feo is wrong for her resentment, and Vic trying to be the better person? Instead it's Al tells Vic he no longer lover her, Vic must get Al's love back, so she bribes Al and Feo. What happens the next time Al or Feo get mad at Vic? She bribes them again? Yes, lots of young kings were in exactly this position, and a lot of older kings and queens as well. Of course, some of those kings and queens were more than happy to take advantage of or abuse their own position and power.
  25. TigerLynx

    S06.E09: Minister D

    Dembe and Mr. Kaplan should have gotten their own show. So far, I'm still not seeing any reason for all the secrets, or why Red, Dembe or Mr. Kaplan did everything they did for Katerina/Red/Liz. I doubt the big reveal will be a great payoff so I'm hoping Dembe snaps, and kills them all.
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