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  1. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I don't believe this. Roman Polanski, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, OJ Simpson, Kevin Spacey, etc., some black some white, got a free pass for decades.
  2. Hee! The thing about not watching B&B for several months or years, is you can always return to the exact same story. Two pathetic women fighting over a loser guy who isn't worth it.
  3. TigerLynx

    S06.E12: Bastien Moreau: Conclusion

    I realize this is pointless, and will probably never be resolved, but I still see no reason how Red doing everything he has done to "protect" Lizzie makes any sense. It seems Liz would have been better off if she had never known Red, Dembe, Mr. Kaplan, or Tom. Red was the one who sent Tom to Liz in the first place, and he spent the first season telling Lizzie she couldn't trust Tom. Tom was murdered because of what he was trying to find out about Red. Liz turned Red in for nothing because she never got an answer to the question she just had to have answered. They had the awesome Mr. Kaplan bring down Red's organization for nothing. They just keep going in circles. Now the President of the USA and his assistant are the bad guys? Why do I have the feeling this is ultimately going nowhere to?
  4. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    This. There are people all the time in everyday life who don't want to believe someone they know is guilty of child abuse, spousal abuse, rape, sibling abuse, etc.
  5. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I have to side eye some of these people coming forward now, or coming forward once they were fired or no longer working with Michael Jackson to say they saw things at Neverland and other places with MJ and young boys. Why couldn't they be bothered to tell the truth years or decades ago? Was getting a paycheck more important than stopping children from being abused? I know the answer. Money and fame seem to trump everything else. Which is so sad and despicable. Oddly, this kind of reminds me of all the people who were, "I knew OJ was beating up on Nicole before he was ever charged with her murder. Nicole and I were great friends." Where were these people when Nicole was alive? With friends like this. . . . .
  6. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I think Michael did buy into the hype, as many people who become rich and famous do. People who worked with Jackson in the late 1990s and earlier 2000s said he wanted back the kind of fame he had in the early 1980s. MJ wanted everyone, not just his hardcore fans, to adore him just the way he was (I guess that means he wanted people to accept his "pure" love for little boys, and appreciate his music). Which sounds crazy, but MJ really was a bad combination of things (Pedophile, rich, famous, and delusional). Pedophiles who don't have Jackson's money and fame will still use all the same rationales he did to try and make themselves and others believe that they aren't doing anything wrong. Jackson had the money, power, and fame to get away with a lot. People don't like believing that the "great" teacher at school, the Little League Coach, etc., would do these kinds of things. Elevating someone to "God Status" makes it that much easier for them to think they have the right to do anything they want.
  7. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I don't doubt Joe Jackson was an abusive monster, however, for all the complaining MJ did about not having a childhood, he loved his success and being famous. He loved being on stage. Jackson had millions to do whatever he wanted with, and he continued to tour for years. MJ chose to leave the Jackson 5, and pursue a solo career. Marlon decided to leave the Jackson 5, and went into real estate. There are videos from the early 80s of MJ working with people when he was making videos, on tour, etc., and he is very adult and very much in charge. There was no giggling, or I'm just an overgrown kid nonsense. So why develop the immature childish act years later?
  8. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I was in junior high when Thriller the album and the song came out, and my older sisters had listened to the Jackson 5. Michael Jackson was huge, and there were all these rumors that his dates with Brooke Shields, Tatum O'Neal, etc., weren't real because he was gay. Then other songs and other groups came along, and I forgot all about MJ. Then in 1993, when the Chandler charges were being discussed, I was watching some of the news clips of MJ, and my first thought was, "Damn, what the hell did you do to your face?" Once the Chandler's accepted the money, I once again, forgot all about Michael Jackson until 2003. The more MJ talked, and he did not do a lot of talking, the more squicked out I became. Then my thought was, "If I was this guy's attorney, I would be telling him to STFU ASAP." I heard when Jackson died he was cash poor, but the trustees of his estate managed the trust he left for his children and his mother, and it is quite substantial now.
  9. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    To me, Michael Jackson's public persona was more of an indictment than any of the people who testified against him or for him. My opinion maybe colored by the fact that I watched Michael Jackson go from a child star to an adult entertainer, and the I just want to be a six year old kid MJ didn't show up until later. In the early 1980s, he was known for being reclusive, but he didn't act like a child. After what happened in 1993, if Jackson was just a victim of people who wanted to blackmail him for money, why the hell did he keep putting himself back in those kinds of situations. If he wanted to help sick and disadvantaged children, there were ways to do it that wouldn't have looked so shady. Then there were all the interviews where MJ was questioning what was so wrong about sleeping with children, loving children, etc., that just gave me such a creepy icky vibe.
  10. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    In 1993, when the charges were dropped/or never filed, and the Chandlers took money to go away, I did think MJ was innocent, and they were just extorting money from him. I probably would have thought the same thing from the trial in 2003/2005 because all of the prosecution's witnesses were shady to say the least, but MJ's interviews and documentaries he willingly participated in, was what changed my mind.
  11. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    It wasn't just the children that changed their stories. There were people who worked at Neverland that originally said they hadn't seen anything inappropriate with Jackson and the children who visited. They then testified they had seen Jackson molesting young boys, only for it to be revealed that they had been fired from Neverland for stealing. The prosecutor was so intent on convicting Jackson, he didn't build a solid case.
  12. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    The fact that people kept changing their stories would make me doubt that Jackson was a pedophile, if Jackson himself hadn't given interviews where he makes all the same despicable excuses other child molesters have made when they got caught. Unfortunately, the prosecutor jumped the gun, and didn't really vet the Arvizo family before he filed charges, and overplayed his hand. I don't know if any of the other boys would have ever come forward while MJ was alive, but when your witnesses are a family of con-artists who have tried to extort money from other known stars, you've dug a hole for yourself before the trial even gets underway.
  13. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I could to. One reason I could see Culkin not being one of MJ's victims is because Culkin was still around MJ after he became an adult, and was godparent to one of MJ's children. Whereas, when the boys MJ molested aged out, he eventually dropped them. Also, the cynic in me believes that at least some if not all of MJ's entourage knew what he was up to, and advised him to stay away from certain kids because they didn't want the money train to stop. The more control MJ tried to take of things himself, the more he screwed up (personally and financially).
  14. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    I don't think they are uncommon at all. Despite everything that is now known about MJ, Cosby, Weinstein, Spacey, etc., there are still people who defend Roman Polanski - a guy who was convicted of drugging, raping, and sodomizing a teenage girl.
  15. TigerLynx

    Leaving Neverland

    And it worked for a while. Along with his taking gifts to sick children at the hospital, donating money to charity, and having parties for sick children at Neverland, there were Jackson's claims that adults always wanted to make money off of him so he liked spending his free time doing things he didn't get to do as a child because he was working when he was a kid. So originally, he might have seemed eccentric, but not dangerous.
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