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  1. Ashforth

    Leaving Neverland

    But I think what they were talking about was a different thing. All those people had public reputations that were normal, whatever rumors were going around. At the time the fact that Polanski's victim was 13 didn't really matter--people didn't to see it as a case of child rape. With MJ we're talking about a grown man publicly sleeping with various children as if he was a big pedophile and in that case I really can't confidently say that it didn't help that he looked more white. It's a gross idea, but I wouldn't put it past society to be more vigilant about a man they read more clearly as black. Of course it doesn't all come down to race in any of those cases, but race can always be a complicating factor. Michael's free pass involved letting him sleep with little boys, which is unusual. You did understand me correctly @sistermagpie, I was referring narrowly to MJ and the way he paraded his victims in public and the way that was glossed over for a long time as an eccentricity or innocent love of children. And we're talking about little kids here - age 7 and up. That should have gotten a lot more scrutiny early on. At the time the things documented in this film happened, MJ was arguably the most famous person in the world. I do think that if MJ hadn't altered his appearance so dramatically and still looked like a Black man, he would have been viewed with more suspicion. YMMV I get what @TigerLynx said as well (though I'm not sure OJ Simpson belongs in that group, since as far as I know the rest haven't murdered people). However, Cosby drugged and raped grown women and was far from open about it, his reputation was that of a devoted husband. Weinstein used his position of power to coerce or rape women, but not seven year olds, as far as I've heard, and most people probably didn't know who he was. Polanski actually was prosecuted close to the time of his crime. I think a more apt comparison would be Bryan Singer, a White director who has apparently been well-known in Hollywood circles as a rapist of young boys for quite a long time, but was only recently accused publicly enough that it made it into the press that most of us see. The difference there is that he doesn't have the high public profile that MJ did and didn't get worldwide media coverage for having a string of pre-adolescent boy "best friends." That's what I was talking about.
  2. Ashforth

    Leaving Neverland

    I think Michael's "white-ification" was an important component of the pass he got while basically openly practicing pedophilia. In our racist society, if he had been the black man in the photo on the left sleeping with little white boys, it would never have been treated as a mere quirk.
  3. Ashforth

    S17.E02: The Future Is Here

    I want to take a moment to say how much I'm enjoying the conversations here about the show. It was the first season of Project Runway that led me to the late, lamented Television Without Pity forums. The exchange of opinions and ideas (and, interestingly enough, semi-expert information about garment design and construction) made the show even more fascinating. I love the way that we can all talk here about what we think, like, love, and hate about PR. We can agree or disagree without being disagreeable. I love the thoughtfulness and frequent hilarity of the comments. I love y'all! 💖
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    S17.E02: The Future Is Here

    So much YES! for the idea that the feather team should have had the makeup team include adding shading or something - hell, glitter - to the plastic that was pasted to the models' chests. Of course, that wouldn't have helped the terrible designs. I thought the chest feathers screamed for some kind of superhero theme for the collection. Something. Anything.
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    S17.E01: Premiere

    I figured that the show didn't provide enough Evian for her to lather, rinse, and repeat.
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    S17.E02: The Future Is Here

    Thank you! When the judges were gushing about having never seen anything like the wavy panels on that dress, I was thinking, well, Leanne, along with several other designers over the many seasons of PR and PRAS.
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    S17.E02: The Future Is Here

    Sorry for the double post, but yes, a designer who has immunity can win.
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    S17.E02: The Future Is Here

    Worst of all, Hester pressured and pressured until Nadine, who had stood steadfast, finally gave up some of her fabric so Hester could use it. Hester cut the fabric up, rendering it unusable for Nadine's design, and then decided not to use it. In the meantime, Nadine's garment was compromised. If I were Nadine, I'd be tempted to cut a bitch.
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    The Chefs/Cheftestants of Top Chef

    Ha! I'm watching an episode of Beat Bobby Flay that Michael Voltaggio is judging and after seeing this post all I can think about is what a wee fellow he is.
  10. Ashforth

    S17.E02: The Future Is Here

    Agreed, even though the team did little to nothing to showcase it. I thought the "necklace" modification was hard to work with as a "body modification" as well. It was, ya know, a necklace. As for circus girl's revelation that SHE has body modifications, i.e. piercings and a tattoo, um, sweetie, that's not what body modifications are. Show us your split tongue or transdermal implants and then we can talk. https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/13-most-extreme-body-modifications/ The exhibit that introduced the challenge was so much more compelling than any of the designs. I dislike team challenges (along with the unconventional materials challenges, maybe I'm a pill, too!) and it irritates me to no end to see the designers try to boss each other or refuse to cooperate or whine about their teammates not sharing fabrics or not making their garments for them or whatnot.
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    S17.E01: Premiere

    I just caught the end of the rerun of this episode and was struck again at the huge, happy reaction from the designers when they found out that Frankie was staying. I can't help but think that it was not only about how much they like Frankie, but how much they didn't like Cavanaugh. Who, by the way, made a comment about being glad that she could now wash her hair. WTH? And of course another gripe about the beds and pillows. It must be agony to be so special.
  12. Ashforth

    S07.E12: Modern Families

    OMG that is so funny! Did Kim Jong-un just make a surreptitious American TV debut?
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    S07.E11: Nina Says Don't Cry Over Spilt Silk

    I'm confused, why is all this great discussion in the Nina Garcia thread instead of the thread for the episode?
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    S07.E12: Modern Families

    Another episode that was almost wholly crap. Biddell was clearly the winner, with an adorable outfit for his teen girl, a cool ensemble for the (preteen?) boy, and awesome dress and jacket for the mom, so the faux agony from the judges over who was best was ridiculous. And who scripted the "drama" that followed? Each judge having to say, "I want to see more from _____" or "_____ has shown so much growth". Oh, bullshit. It was clear that no one was being eliminated. Dimitri's outfit for the young man in his family looked like something Gramps would put on to go to a senior early bird buffet, and the pink velvet top with ill-fitting puff sleeves? NO! Irina's stuff was boring and ill-fitting (and if you have to tell people it's blue and not black...). Michelle? I have to give her props for committing to the wild fabric since her client loved it, and the jacket was killer - I think that black or navy pants may have made the outfit worse. Her jumpsuit was good but it was hard to see the detail because of the color, but overall I liked what she did (and I'm no great fan of hers). Dimitri or Irina should have been eliminated, in my opinion. There's been some commentary here and on the thread for the new season of PR about PRAS seeming so dreary. Tonight I wondered whether it's the Botox. Alyssa and Georgina can barely manage to make facial expressions. Why am I still watching? Hell, I don't know, I guess I'm not a quitter, LOL.
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    S17.E01: Premiere

    There's room for all opinions! (just not for sharing beds LOL) Your choices show why the unconventional materials challenges need not be awful. 😁
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