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    S04.E14: I'm Finding My Bliss

    You know, that might have been a more interesting way for Rebecca to realize that theater wasn't going to be her ticket to happiness, if there had been the common audition situation of about 30 women showing up to audition for three main female roles and maybe five more in the chorus, and almost all of them are ridiculously qualified. That close to LA, they'd probably get a bunch of people with drama degrees desperately trying to get roles in anything to beef up their resumes and maybe make contacts, hoping to possibly even be discovered. Meanwhile, just about every guy who shows up gets cast. Rebecca might have found herself hopelessly outclassed and realizing that this wasn't going to happen for her, with possibly her darker side contemplating sabotaging the competition but able to stop herself before she does anything and showing how far she's come when she handles the rejection well. To complicate things further, Josh and Nathaniel might have found themselves cast in the show, since they needed men and they were there, only to find out it wasn't going to get them closer to Rebecca since she didn't get cast.
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    S04.E15: I Need to Find My Frenemy

    I could imagine guys being into her, but it is a bit of a stretch that these particular guys are still so hung up on her, given their history. She stalked Josh, sabotaged his relationships, coerced him into a wedding that freaked him out so much he tried to join the priesthood in order to avoid it, then tried to destroy him and his entire family. Then with Greg, she used to ditch him while they were out together and have sex with other men. She slept with his father. She's done less to Nathaniel, but he's had a front-row seat to some of the crazy. Growing and changing is one thing, but would three guys really be willing to take the risk with her again? If someone did to me what she did to Josh and Greg, I'd be happy for them that they got a diagnosis and were getting better, but I don't know that I'd want to get involved with them again. So, yeah, I'm with White Josh. It's a little baffling. I guess it works in the bizarro world of this show, where everyone's a little nuts and over the top, but it would be silly in a more serious drama. I guess WhiJo is hanging a lampshade on the silliness, like "Yes, we know, but just go with it."
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    S04.E14: I'm Finding My Bliss

    Is the joke that he's so perfect, or is the joke that he's so ridiculously privileged that he keeps just being given stuff, whether or not he merits it, and he's totally unaware of his level of privilege? He's not quite to the level of the mediocre white guy who gets handed everything, as I'd guess he's better than average, but he is in the demographic that doesn't have to actually be great at anything to be treated like he's the second coming, and he's so used to just being given stuff that he has no clue how important or difficult it's supposed to be. Here, he just walked in the room and got cast over people who'd apparently been working with this theater group all along. We didn't see his number, so we don't know how well he actually performs. I think the joke is that it doesn't matter how good he is, he just gets the opportunity handed to him.
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    S04.E20: Lily

    I don't think she's even a Regina George. Regina George had a bit of a sadistic streak. She enjoyed having power over other people, and she really enjoyed using that power to destroy and manipulate people. True, it was in the relatively low-stakes world of high school popularity, but if she hadn't had a wake-up call as a teen and had continued being that way into adulthood, I could see her becoming truly awful. Maybe not Regina Mills awful, with a high body count, but destroying lives and enjoying it. Lily was just lame. She played at being a bad girl and made bad choices, and it seems like ever since the Apprentice told her what had happened, she used it as an excuse to do nothing with her life. What she has in common with Regina Mills is that she was given every advantage and still whined about her life. Regina grew up as a princess and became a queen, but even while being a queen with magic powers, living in a palace while Snow was a fugitive living in a tree, she was miserable and thought of herself as Snow's victim. Later, she's mayor and living in a mansion, but is whining about not having her happy ending. Lily grew up in a family wealthy enough to have a lake house that's nicer than most people's regular homes, and it seems like her adopted parents really loved her, but then she became jealous of Emma, who was never adopted and grew up in a string of foster homes bad enough that she kept running away, and she later seems to have blamed everything that went wrong in her life on Emma. And I hate that the show seemed to be seriously saying that Emma was in the wrong for pushing Lily away after Lily got her kicked out of a decent foster home. Something I forgot about this episode: Rumple's big emotional scene struck me as so insincere, like he was fishing for reassurance from Belle. It was the equivalent of someone talking about how fat and ugly they are as a way of trying to get people to say that they're not really fat and ugly. I felt like all his talk about how terrible he was and how he'd betrayed Belle was really just an extended cue for Belle to say, "But you have a good heart and I believe in you!" I was cringing during that scene. And apparently the writers thought it was so romantic.
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    S04.E21: Mother

    Ah, the episode in which Regina has the startling epiphany that the audience has been shouting at the TV since she first came up with the idea for her happy ending quest in the previous arc. It wouldn't have been so bad if she hadn't already got Robin back when she had her big revelation or if someone had expressed a dissenting opinion. But she came to the obvious conclusion that negated everything they'd been doing for months and that they made great sacrifices for, and we didn't get to see anyone react to the grand epiphany. But there are some nice moments in this one. Mal and Lily's meeting was quite touching, especially the expression on Mal's face as she waited for Lily to get out of the car. They did some nice casting there as the two actresses had very similar facial structure. I loved Hook taunting Rumple in the diner, knowing that if he goaded Rumple into doing something awful, it would only darken his heart more. I liked Hook's therapy session with Emma. He sort of became ship's counselor somewhere along the way. But it might have been nice to see him talking to the Charmings so that he knew what was up with them. Robin is a real piece of work.
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    S04.E20: Lily

    I wonder where the flashbacks for this episode were supposed to fit into Emma's timeline -- before or after Ingrid? It seemed like Ingrid's foster home came right after the first Lily incident, like that was where Emma was sent when she was put back into the system. The videotape goes straight from Lily to Ingrid's foster home. Would she really have recorded nothing else in between? But then it seemed like Emma did her final running away before she ran into Neal at the end of that. But then she's in the system in this episode and seems happy and well adjusted until Lily shows up, and at the end she's running away again. If she'd run away after Ingrid and got caught, wouldn't they have sent her back to Ingrid? If she'd tried to tell on Ingrid for pushing her into the street, Ingrid probably would have said something like, "Emma was having a bad day and is lashing out at me," in that soft-spoken, calm way she had. Or did they believe Emma, and that's why Ingrid headed to Storybrooke to wait out the rest of the curse? I also wonder how much of this they had planned when they did the previous Lily episode. The star birthmark suggests they were setting something up, but I find it really hard to believe that adult Emma would still be having regrets about not reaching out to Lily after Lily lied to her yet again, used her, and got her kicked out of a good foster home. The end of that friendship had zero to do with Emma not reaching out. The idea that Emma was so starved for affection that she looked back on a friendship that lasted a few hours and that turned out to have been based on a lie doesn't work as well when you factor in this "friend" ruining a foster placement where she was loved. Would the "friendship" of a few hours that ended up destroying her chance at happiness have been more important to her than a family that she seemed to have had for some time so that she was still wistful about the "friend" but never mentioned the family? Besides, how was Emma supposed to have reached out to Lily if Lily had run away and was living with her boyfriend? True, it seems Emma didn't even try, but how did Lily know if she hadn't even been where she could be reached? I still have issues with how they seem to be defining "darkness" for Lily. They did the darkectomy on Emma because she had the potential to be a great villain, but Lily just seems to be a loser. She makes bad choices and has bad luck, but it seems to be more out of weakness to resist temptation, not because she's acting out of darkness. Someone with extra amounts of native darkness would be more like a sociopath or a sadist. Or I guess like Hook, where they talk about him always wrestling with darkness. With him, it was kind of an anger at the universe, with him lashing out and destroying either others or himself. Or, if we're looking at the opposite of Emma, she tends to do things for others and feels bad about hurting them, so Lily would hurt others and enjoy it or feel no guilt. A couple of pages back, from back when the episode aired, the suggestion was made that it would have been far more interesting if Emma and the Charmings had taken the road trip together. Why aren't we allowed to have nice things?
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    S04.E19: Sympathy For The De Vil

    As I recall, in the season finale, there's a bit where And if Isaac makes the Apprentice tell them that they must do this thing (and keeps him from telling them all the real ramifications), then how culpable are they for agreeing to it? The way it was presented to them, it was like "you must do this or your child will end up evil, and it's not like it's going to do any real harm," and only afterward were they told that it probably wouldn't do any good and it did do real harm. True, it still wasn't a great thing to do and was a dumb decision, but they were acting based on incorrect or incomplete information, and Isaac set them up by forcing the Apprentice to give them the incorrect and incomplete info. And we come back to the "hypocrisy is worse than murder" issue. Even if Emma doesn't know about all the children Regina sent to their deaths, she did know that Regina was trying to send Hansel and Gretel into a foster home outside the city (that she now knows might have killed them), and she knows that Regina deliberately separated Jefferson from his daughter. It's not better that Regina did far worse while being openly evil while the Charmings were trying to be good and didn't mention this one thing they did. Not that this fits into what they've shown us before. Wouldn't the Charmings have been constantly watching Emma for signs of darkness? Wouldn't they have worried each time she got angry or made a questionable decision? Yeah, Snow was iffy on some of the things in Neverland, but not on the level of "we were warned when you were an embryo that you had the potential to be a great villain."
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    S04.E14: I'm Finding My Bliss

    That was weirdly true to life for me. My freshman year in high school, our one-act play went to the state competition with the male roles mostly filled with football players who apparently got recruited because they desperately needed guys (and I think there was some extra credit involved). They turned out to be some kind of weird acting savants who had no idea what they were doing but somehow just naturally blew everyone away and came home with all kinds of best actor awards. And then they went about their lives, totally unaware that this was a big deal and went back to playing football. It was kind of a case of them being cast because they were physically the ideal for the roles, then they turned out to be naturally really good at it but it wasn't something important to them. The drama guys who really wanted to do well weren't nearly as good because their effort showed, so they came across as fake and stagey. They were ACTING! while the jocks were like "Oh, you want me to pretend to be this person? Okay." That's what seemed to be going on with Nathaniel.
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    Blue was shady, but she was ruthlessly pragmatic when it came to dealing with evil (and meanwhile the heroes wrung their hands over being mean to villains). Having seen what the actress could do over on The Magicians, I feel like there was a lot of fun potential with this character and I wish we'd seen more of her along the way, digging into some of her more interesting decisions. What, exactly, was the role of the fairies supposed to be? Sometimes she intervened in big ways, but then she kept counseling the other fairies to stay out of events. If they'd developed her more over the years, then the Black Fairy being her nemesis without any other connection to other characters might have worked. Maybe the other characters realize how much Blue was trying to shield them over the years and what she sacrificed to do so, so they step up and pay it back. She seemed useless a lot of the time, but she was also always doing little things behind the scenes -- was she under some kind of restriction? Did she answer to some higher power? I am willing to sacrifice that. It would be sad, but I think I could cope. I mean, if I look really hard at the rest of the series, I might be able to scrape together enough instances of Regina putting herself first to satisfy me that she was okay with herself.
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    I bet a child told a secret. There's some story potential there if the Black Fairy went dark for some reason that Blue and the others didn't know -- one of the fairies just turned on them. Of course, knowing this show, she would have had a perfectly valid reason and her going dark (if she even actually went dark at the time -- really, she went dark because her friends banished her) saved them all, so they've been unfairly judging her all this time, and she was unfairly punished when she was banished. Or maybe we could do something wild and crazy and not link her to either Rumple or Regina. Linking her just to the fairies sets up a good vs. evil showdown that will affect everyone, and Blue's worried that the good fairies can't win, not in Storybrooke where they don't have their full powers because of being turned human by the curse, so they need Emma and Regina (I guess, if we have to) to join them for the fight. It turns out that Blue's spell to hide the song in Emma's heart is what gives them the edge.
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    I'm assuming that the Black Fairy would actually be a fairy who went dark (or maybe always was dark), not Rumple's mother who turned herself into a fairy and then went dark during her obsession with stopping her son from having the Savior's fate.
  12. It just occurred to me during a bout of insomnia last night that the second half of the Wonderland spinoff and the 3B arc, which were airing at about the same time, had essentially the same plot. The villain was angry because of having been rejected by a parent and forced to grow up unloved in poverty while a half-sibling grew up in luxury as royalty, and the villain's plan was to do a supposedly impossible spell that would allow him/her to change this. Meanwhile, the villain imprisoned and enslaved his/her magical mentor. I guess they didn't have a lot of ideas. Jafar was angry at his father for treating him as nothing and was going to do the spell that allowed him to break the rules of magic. Immediately, he was making his father love him, but wasn't he also planning to use the breaking of the "you can't change time" rule to go back and make his father love him as a child? Then we have Zelena mad at her mother for giving her up, so she was going to go back in time and arrange so that her mother would have been able to marry the prince and keep her, and Regina never would have been born. I think they gave us more of the process with Jafar and how it was that he was able to pull off the supposedly impossible to break the rules of magic. He had to amass a lot of power by enslaving the sorceress and getting three genies under his power, and it took years for him to do this. We never learned how Zelena managed to crack the time travel code. She just somehow had this spell that no one else had heard of (and yet there was info on it in the Storybrooke library). It conveniently required items that corresponded to the virtues represented by the witches of Oz, but we don't know if that was just part of the writers stretching for a theme or if it was significant and a reason no one had previously figured it out. I guess her knowing the spell was like all her other omniscience, like her knowing to have Philip and Aurora watching out for people coming back from Storybrooke, or her knowing to send Walsh to watch Emma months before they came up with the idea of doing the curse to get to Emma, or her knowing what Hook was doing while he was entirely separated from all the other characters, or her knowing Hook's feelings when he and Emma weren't at all involved, or her knowing that Marian was Regina's boyfriend's wife, or her knowing enough about Marian and her history to interact with her husband and son for months without them noticing anything.
  13. So, basically, a pregnant woman in a True Love relationship doesn't count as a hero by the Tree of Wisdom (or whatever it was) since a child who's the product of true love could be a powerful hero or a terrible villain, and the woman is judged by the fetus she's carrying. Seriously, did they even think about what they were writing here? Does this mean that a pregnant woman in a so-so relationship where both of them are heroic but don't necessarily have true love would have been okay?
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    Inspired by the discussion in the All Seasons thread ... I really wish they'd kept Emma as just the Savior for the curse, but she still had whatever power came with that and decided for herself to keep trying to help people. I'm kind of over the Destined, Chosen One With Magical Specialness plot. But with this, they could have done a fun twist on it by getting the thing she was destined to do out of the way in season one, and then the rest of the series was her figuring out what to do now that she'd fulfilled her destiny. It's more interesting if her magic was only discovered after she fulfilled her destiny and turned out to have been an unintentional byproduct of what was done to make her the chosen one, so now she has to figure out what it means and what to do with it. It's also more interesting if she's choosing to do heroic things and help and save people just because it's the right thing to do, not because she's the Savior and she doesn't get days off, and she can't separate herself from her destiny, even if it dooms her.
  15. And that means that Blue knew Emma was a general-purpose Savior when she went along with Gepetto's scheme to send Emma through the wardrobe alone with Pinocchio -- so did she know Emma would turn out okay, or was that a bad decision with someone who was that important? And did she know about that great potential for darkness when allowing her to go alone with an unreliable 7-year-old? Then again, Emma didn't actually fight the Final Battle with the Black Fairy. She won a minor skirmish with the Song in her Heart. Rumple fought the Black Fairy. Emma didn't use the song in her heart when she sacrificed herself to Gideon. Their retcons got so tangled up.