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  1. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    Actually, I think both listen, they just totally disagree with what the other person says. When the disagree, Victoria starts either yelling or throwing things, and Albert either shuts down or walks out. They both seem to have become talking pieces for the person the other person hates - Victoria for Palmerston and Albert for Feodora. And both Feodora and Palmerston are manipulating them for their advantage (all these scenes between Feodora and Palmerston are evidence of this). Yes, both Feodora and Palmerston are just highlighting the fault lines already existing in their marriage, but I think if they can get on the same side again (protecting and standing up for each other), they will be in a lot better place.
  2. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    My point in regard to Victoria and affairs, I agree that she may have been held to a double standard like all the women of the time, but who knows?? She was also the Queen, so maybe no one would dare say anything? I agree that the reason she is unhappy is because he just realized his feelings for her have changed (although the actors playing Albert and Victoria said in the PBS interview short, that while Victoria and Albert are going through the worst rough patch in their marriage, they are still deeply in love — l love that they both seem to really care about their characters!). I guess my statement has more to do with, if Victoria wants Albert “to love her the way he used to” maybe she needs to do some real soul searching to determine what went wrong. I know this is the part where a lot of people are going to start attacking me for even mentioning that a woman needs to do anything to please/keep her man, but from a married person’s standpoint that is what I think needs to be done. I think Albert needs to do some soul searching himself as to what went wrong. There are pionts in your marriage where both husbands and wives need to look at their partner and look at their own behavior and decide if the other person is “worth” making some changes and/or, maybe more importantly, giving some forgiveness for shortcomings that each have. I think Victoria and Albert are at this point. Her behavior (and his behavior) is not working. Victoria seemed to know this already, she felt things were different. Albert has confirmed to her that he has felt things are not the same, either. Now, the problem has voiced between the two, and now there is no more pretending that everything is alright. If Victoria loves Albert, the question now becomes what is she willing to do to get that feeling back? And Albert will have to decide the same question. Just hope that Victoria doesn’t get “judged” by other women as not being a “real” woman for any changes she may be willing to make. If she doesn’t love Albert, then she doesn’t need to do anything to work on the relationship. Just don’t agree with some of the sentiment out there that Victoria had no “choice” in her relationship with Albert, and she was forced to stay in some loveless marriage with her German tyrant. She was Queen. She held most of the cards with regard to Albert.
  3. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    All I could think of was, “didn’t mice spread the plague?” And you are right, Victoria was shown as having some sort of phobia about rats. Maybe it will be discovered that she got rid of it and is trying to pin the blame on Albert :)
  4. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    This is another case for me of putting modern sensibilities on past actions. Albert is a monster for believing a renowned medical professional of the time only because Victoria, as unusual this season, is the smart all knowing modern mother who sees this as fake science. Yet, she had no problem believing Dr. Snow, because history proved him to be right. And any faults Victoria has are glamorized. Most adults do not hit people and destroy things in fits of rage when they get angry. And people that do this have some serious anger management issues. Instead of showing Victoria’s anger management issues as an unattractive trait, the show always puts her violent outbursts in the context of Albert acting like a sexist pig. Victoria’s domestic violence is “justified” and even cheered about (PBS tweets about the “slap heard ‘round the world!”) Yes, women stand up and cheer for your feminist warrior! Albert’s real life statement of how he does not want to “get down on Victoria’s level” when she acts this way is twisted by the show writer as a dig about Albert viewing Victoria as a stupid woman, when the statement could have instead been depicted as a husband who is often physically assaulted by his wife telling his wife that he needs to walk away because he does not want his anger from the situation to escalate into him becoming violent against her. But, no, this is all about Albert the sexist pig, cruel husband who “deserves” what he gets from Victoria. Yeah, let’s all hate on Albert. As he stated this episode, “it’s a national pastime.”
  5. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    I am still waiting for the biggest mystery of S3 to be resolved — how did the Irish cop hired by Palmerston to seduce Abigail and plant weapons in the Chartist headquarters lose the top part of his finger??
  6. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    Thought it was a joke about Victoria and Albert having reached the point of having so many kids that they don’t even know when one of their kids are missing.
  7. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    If Feodora had a child, she may have been made regent, like Albert and Victoria’s mother. Then she would have ruled until the child was old enough to rule. Even if not regent, she would have had all the perks of English royalty, especially as mother to King or Queen. At least a better life than she had in Germany.
  8. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    Not to mention that King George was advanced in age by that time. If Foedora had pooped out an heir quickly after marrying him before he kicked the bucket, Feodora’s child would be heir to the throne (instead of Victoria). Feodora would have been Queen mother, and possibly even’the regent to the heir to the throne. And Feodora would not have had to deal with nasty, fat King George most of her life. So in my opinion, Feodora was really done dirty by Leopold and Victoria’s mother. I don’t get why she is unloading on Victoria, though. I guess she feels like Victoria just forgot about her, that Victoria is a self centered brat, which is how she is winning over Albert. And maybe if Victoria had greeted Feodora with open arms (and bought her some new clothes instead of making her wear Victoria’s hand me downs after seeing Feodora in rags) instead of treating her right off the bat with suspicion and coldness, Feodora might not have treated Victoria this way. Who knows. The show would have been better off showing Feodora as initially nice to Victoria and Victoria being stingy, but instead we got some over the top entrance that smacks of a menacing character’s arrival. The audience was conditioned to hate Feodora right off the bat.
  9. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    Yes, people are hating the Albert character because he is being written to make people hate him. The topper for me was the Bertie cowering in the corner scene at the end. The show places this scene right after Victoria and Albert have their knock down, drag out fight. The show then seems to make it appear that Albert did something to Bertie off screen that was so horrible that the child is cowering in the corner afraid that his father doesn’t love him anymore because he is stupid. Victoria is then shown as being the warm, loving mother/wife who takes her scared child in her arms and comforts him against his cruel father. I think this scene is meant to reinforce how the audience is supposed to perceive the prior fight scene between Victoria and Albert. Thoroughout the show (and S3) Bertie has been equated with Victoria (thus, Victoria’s strong bond with Bertie all season — Bertie is really her). When Bertie gets his head examined, it is also Victoria getting her head examined (by Albert and Feodora). Bertie has also been shown as a brat the entire episode, even to the extent of saying that he wishes his mother dies so that he can be King. So when Victoria acts like a brat by slapping Albert across the face, her actions are excusable on two levels. First, Victoria is being treated like a child by Albert (and the audience perceives her as just an innocent child as she has been so associated with Bertie), thus she has the right to lash out against him. And second, Albert is made out to be a child abuser, which is reinforced with the Bertie cowering in the corner scene. Then throw into the mix Lord Palmerston (who is Albert’s “rival” this Season) knowing just the right way to handle Bertie with the mouse trick at the baptism. Albert is being intentionally written to look bad. Ms. Goodwin has some real axe to grind with Albert. While she tries to act like she likes his character, it is very obvious to me that she does not understand how Victoria (who I think Ms. Goodwin cannot separate from herself) was happy living with some stick in the mud German tyrant because Ms. Goodwin (ie Victoria) herself would never love a man like this. If you listen to PBS’s Podcast interview with Ms. Goodwin this week, she actually states that Victoria’s diary goes on and on about her angel Albert, but Ms. Goodwin “thinks” Victoria was lying in her diary because Albert would read them (because Ms. Goodwin alleges that he was trying to control Victoria) and that due to the gaps in ages with the children around this time she is very sure Victoria and Albert’s marriage was on the rocks at this time, as shown by her this season. Whatever.
  10. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    My guess, totally a guess, but... with all the love being thrown on the Lord Palmerston character right now, I think he is going down in the next episode. Lord Russell foreshadowed it in this episode, when he said that one day he (Lord Russell) will have a smirk on his face when Lord Palmerston finally pushes things too far. I am also guessing Feodora is also going to go down at the same time. Both Victoria and Albert will feel stupid as to how they were manipulated against each other, and Victoria and Albert will be solid again.
  11. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    Well, it was Victoria’s choice to marry him, knowing full well what Albert was like. Maybe she shouldn’t told him she was going to be an ordinary woman and vowed to obey him? She almost seems guilty of a bait and switch. Anyhoo, Now Albert has let her off the hook. If she despises him so much, she is free to move on! She can go find Palmerston’s boots if she wants!! Let’s see if he does the impossible and makes her happy!! But, Palmerston’s rule about Lord Palmerston not f-ing women who are looking for love might get in the way! Also, this could turn Emily Palmerston into her enemy. You think Feodora is bad! Hate to have Emily Palmerston on my bad side. Also, don’t know how Victoria will feel about being just another woman in Palmerston’s “collection.” As Queen, she never had to share before. How will she ever cope with sharing the great Palmerston, who thinks he is too much for one woman? And Ernest has an STD. Good luck there Victoria!
  12. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    Actually, Victoria warmed up to Feodora at Osborne House when she agreed with Victoria about Albert deserving to have the wine thrown at him, and Victoria seemed to get her back up when Feodora told her ladies of the court were talking about how Albert doesn’t respect her authority. So, Victoria was very happy with Feodora when she told her what she wanted to hear. It just seems that now Feodora seems to be more effective with making digs at Victoria.
  13. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    If Victoria hated Albert, she could just live a separate life from him. Actually, I think Lord M was alluding to this with his Lester outfit (but Victoria really fell in love — and was too naive to realize — and wanted only Albert, in real life anyway — this show almost seems like it wants to go in another direction). As the Palmerstons showed with Emily Palmerston having an affair with Lord Palmerston while she was still married, couples went their own separate ways back in those times instead of divorcing. If Victoria got pregnant, Albert would still be married to her, so nobody would know for sure (Emily Palmerston again). There would be some talk, but it appears everyone would just wink and nod and not really care. They already have a legitimate heir. Heck, that’s what all of Victoria’s predessors did!! And Victoria seemed very fascinated by the Palmerston’s arrangement last episode!!
  14. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    Albert is dismissive of Victoria’s concern’s? Victoria was despondent over the pictures being leaked. Albert was trying to make her feel better. When she feared the way the public would view her, he sympathized. Then stated that he basically understood because his being mocked by the public was a “public pastime.” This made me realize that Victoria has never once seemed at all concerned or sympathetic of how Albert is treated by “her people.” Yet, when it affects her, everyone is required to be at the pity party and understand. Then, when Albert takes action to protect her, suddenly it was the WRONG thing to do because now, under Lord Palmerston’s popularity advice, Victoria is suddenly ok with the pictures in the public. Albert gets berated because he doesn’t get the memo in time. Now, Feodora. Why does Feodora bother Victoria so much? Victoria’s popularity has soared with the release of the pictures. No harm, no foul, right? Feodora is poor and has a crappy life. As Uncle Leopold said, Feodora is an irritant, not dangerous. Victoria is fine when the house staff were selling her stuff to make some side cash. Why is she so upset now? As Albert said, why get mad at her for taking Victoria’s crumbs? I think Albert’s statement applies to how Albert sees himself with respect to Victoria. Why is Victoria so insecure she cannot stand to let another person take a little turn in the spotlight? She is Queen. Crowds turn out for her wherever she goes. The powerful men of the country are looking to her (Palmerston, Wellington), not Albert. Why is she so insecure? Is Victoria threated because she believes Feodora is doing a better job at making her husband feel loved than she has? As I said, I don’t understand why Victoria isn’t happy that Albert has basically checked out of their marriage. And if people think Albert is so horrible for Victoria, I don’t understand why those people aren’t happy as well. Victoria is now free to go find someone else who treats how she thinks she ought to be treated. Win-win for all involved.
  15. Nolefan

    S03.E06: A Coburg Quartet

    I think she likes him because he is the only man who puts up with her crap, at least until this episode anyway. Maybe deep down inside she doesn’t want a man she can dominate, despite her public show of independence. She is Queen, she can throw Albert out if she wants and have affairs with other men (if she becomes pregnant, Albert is still there, so nothing can be proved, just like Emily Palmerston). Albert has let her off the hook — he appears not to have strong feelings for her anymore. Maybe she just isn’t the woman you think she is (or you want to admire), as you disagree with her life choices.
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