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Elizzikra

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    S10:08 Aspyn's Royal Wedding

    We used to staple ours. Bubble gum worked too.
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    And what we see onscreen...
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    So no examples of his chivalry then? I didn’t miss an episode where he threw his coat over a puddle so Kate could walk across it or a time when he bravely put on his game face to have and honest and straightforward conversation with his wife about their troubles? I don't think that Luke is trying to make Kate lose her mind but I think that Luke constantly tries to make her believe that his bad behavior and all their marital troubles are her fault. For example, he says she has a problem with alcohol but can't give any specific examples of why he thinks that (going back to the first conversation they had on the topic, not the conversation on the minimoon). He reacts strangely after every time they have sex (part of which is his refusal to talk to her for a couple of hours) but that's not his fault either - it's hers - for drinking (sometimes) before they have sex and for him feeling obligated (because of her, because "he knows it's important to her). He knows this is bizarre behavior and asks her to "keep it private between them" and then tries to cast her seeking the perspective of the "experts" whose purpose is ostensibly to help the couples as a breach of their trust. He disappears on their anniversary not because he's an insensitive cad but because he "didn't know where they left things." That's how I think he gaslights her.
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    I don’t see any evidence that Luke is gentle or a gentleman. I think he’s as much of a deflecting, gaslighting asshole on Jamie’s show as on MAFS. Both shows have production teams so there are edits on both shows. I’d be curious about what specific examples of Luke’s behavior have led you to believe that Luke is such a courtly gentleman that he is carrying some evil secret of Kate’s to his chivalrous grave. I don’t see that at all. What am I missing?
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    Could be and is. He did say that but I wasn’t sure if he was joking or serious...
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    Luke said that Kate was blackout drunk one night to the point that she couldn't remember the next day what she had done the night before. This was during the conversation in the car. Kate didn't disagree. It wasn't clear to me if that was one of the nights they had sex or not. Kate never said she didn't remember having sex with Luke. I find their conversations very difficult to follow. Kate was asking about their sex life and Luke was responding with issues about her "drinking problem" so she was asking about five or six very specific incidents and he was responding with thoughts on her behavior overall in the time they have been together.
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    Getting blackout drunk doesn’t necessarily make you an alcoholic - and there is no evidence that it happened more than once (though having it happen more than once isn’t also definitively alcoholism). We don’t know that Kate is always drunk when she initiates sex nor do we know that she is always the one to initiate sex. I think there is plenty of evidence that Kate drinks. They all drink. It may even be true that Kate drinks more than Luke would like her to drink (he doesn’t seem to like much about her so why not this?). None of this makes Kate an alcoholic. None of it makes her a problem drinker. The only evidence that Kate drinks any more often than anyone else on the show is Luke’s assertion that this is so. The only evidence of Kate’s “alcoholism” is Luke saying she has an alcohol problem. Luke lacks all credibility with me so I’m not going to stick an “alcoholic” label on Kate without much more evidence from many more credible sources.
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    We have no evidence of this, at all, except Luke saying so (and being totally unable to produce a single example when asked to do so). Why is that the most logical scenario? We only know of one time that she had been drinking and they had sex - the honeymoon. She could have been cold sober the other times. We also aren't clear that she is the one who has always initiated sex. We know that she has at least once but one of them also said that Luke sometimes initiates sex. I'm just not willing to call someone an alcoholic without any other evidence of it than Luke saying so. It is an arbitrary date but it is one that they both are well aware of, including the expectation that they make a decision about staying married or divorcing for the time being. I think it's ridiculous (and untrue) that he hasn't thought about it and I think it's crazy that they haven't talked about it.
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    S07.E11: Jeanne's Story

    Since she is a long term smoker, her taste buds are dead. If she quit smoking, she would be amazed how much better food would taste and I don't think she would be able to tolerate so much salt.
  10. We have seen her drinking water plenty of times and everyone seemed to be drinking on the minimoon, not just Kate. Even Luke was drinking. I really hate to see Kate labeled an alcoholic just on Luke's say-so. He is not a credible source and in fact, is constantly looking for ways to make things her fault.
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    I thought he continued in his long and proud tradition of gaslighting and deflecting when he said that he "goes along" with sex because he knows "it's important to Kate." Once again, it's not his fault; he's just trying to be a good guy and make the marriage work; blah, blah, blah. He can't just spit out the truth, whatever it may be.
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    I totally disagree. I have no reason at all to believe that Kate is an alcoholic or even a problem drinker. I don't think she needs a rehab - I think she needs a divorce. Not necessarily. Plenty of people have an episode or two of blacking out and don't necessarily drink heavily or frequently the rest of the time. I have also been around alcoholism and this is the exact opposite of my experience. Tolerance increases as alcoholism progresses - to the point that an alcoholic can be walking, talking and seeming "normal" after ingesting an amount that would put an "average" person passed out on the floor. Body weight and composition also play a part. An end stage alcoholic with a heavily damaged liver might not be able to handle even a drink or two but Kate would have many more visible issues and other health problems if she was that far along. Bottom line - the only suggestion we have that Kate has any sort of issue with alcohol is that Luke says he does. But pressed, the first time, to provide examples, he could not. He did not provide any sort of answer about why he purchases alcohol for a supposedly "alcoholic" wife and he didn't respond to Kate's questions about his own episode of drinking to the point of vomiting and being "too sick" to come home. He deflects all of her questions about any other aspect of their relationship. He is not a nice guy trying to help his addicted wife; he's an asshole who treats his wife badly, refuses to take any responsibility for it and tries his best to keep her from talking to anyone but him so that she can't get an outside perspective on their dynamic. He is manipulative and devious and I don't trust him in the slightest.
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    He's just a bad example of people, generally.
  14. Well yeah, but the poor girl needs some coping mechanism and all the yoga and guided meditation in the world can't blot the stain of Luke 24/7.
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    S08.E12: You Give Love A Bad Name

    I think that Stephanie attributes a lot of AJ's stress to filming the show and she is trying to convince herself that he will be calmer when that is no longer part of their lives. I like Stephanie a lot but I think she needs to call AJ on his bullshit. When he pulled his tantrum on the minimoon and she just went to bed, I thought she missed an opportunity to say "you really embarrassed me with the way you were acting and I don't want to be married to someone who reacts this way to disappointment." Thing is - I and I know this is an unpopular opinion - I think they could make this work IF AJ were willing to work on those behaviors. I think he really is falling for Stephanie and I think he would do just about anything for her. That may be enough motivation for him to admit there is a problem (if for no other reason than his behavior makes her unhappy) and start some anger management therapy. I think Stephanie also has some genuine feelings for AJ that could go beyond just wanting to be married. AJ, for all his faults, seems to try pretty hard to be a good partner to her. I think under all the dysfunction, there is some good raw material there. And I say that as someone who really dislikes AJ and would not ever want to be in a room with him for more than about a minute. I feel really badly for Keith. I think he is absolutely falling for Kristine and I think he, too is trying to learn, grow and be the partner she wants and deserves. Again - unpopular opinion - I don't think Keith is lazy. I think he's working hard at a difficult job to try to improve his lot in life. His wife asked him to start cooking and he did. He did the cooking class and during the minimoon, saw an opportunity to learn more stuff in the kitchen from a guy who likes to cook (hopefully he took exactly NO other lessons from Luke). He set up the surprise for Kristine at the end of the minimoon. Maybe Kristine could "do better" (I like her a lot too) but I think she definitely could do worse than Keith. I hope she gives him a chance to see if there really could be something there. I think Will and Jasmine have been done since Day One and should call it quits. I think Luke is an ass. I don't care if Kate is a sloppy, affectionate drunk or if Luke is gay - whatever reason, he is absolutely determined to a) be dishonest with her about his lack of interest in her; b) make any problems in their relationship her fault and c) isolate her from anyone at all who might give her perspective on how poorly he treats her. As a happily married woman who spent over 40 years single, I say this with authority: It is so much better to be alone than with the wrong person. I hope Kate runs as far and as fast as she can in the opposite direction from Luke. I don't give a damn what he wants or what happens to him. I don't care how many boxes he checks for her. He's unkind and he's an ass. We saw him buy beer and drink it on the minimoon and he didn't deny it when Kate called him out for getting drunk and puking one night during their marriage. This is a perfect example of him gaslighting her. In the tell-all he was blathering on about how he knows that sex "is important to Kate" so that's why he does it. Poor little Luke - he wants to wait and take things slow but he does the deed because he's trying to make his drunk demanding wife happy. Bullshit.
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