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  1. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    After cooling down a bit, I will admit it won't make me angry if Adams and Clarkson and even that younger actress win awards. I will be angry if the director does. It's not their fault he landed on his ass with that ending. Female rage is one thing, but I already knew little girls were violent. I was a little girl. So what did I learn from this tale of rage and victims and violence? Violence begets violence? I need some hope in my endings and the book gave me that without it being unrealistically upbeat. This ending was just a horror beat to satisfy the director's desire for a flashy last line. I double checked too. There were 17 executive producers and 7 of them were women (a better ratio than most shows). Most of the eps were written by women (three by men). But given there was one director and he was also an executive producer and an editor, to me the power structure on this show falls more to him. He controlled the filming and the pacing, the two things I think most of us complained about. I think he went for the "cute" ending and not the mature one that fully respected Camille's character arc.
  2. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    Yep, here's the ghost writer. I suspect he's put his kids through college on this work. And maybe bought a house or two! VC Andrews died in 1986 at the age of 63. So she wrote her novels quite late. She was Grandma age, not Cathy age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Neiderman
  3. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    Given every VC Andrews novel other than the original three and My Sweet Audrina were written by a man allegedly using her outlines, I can see why. I read them as a tween and they had sex and evil parents. That's why. And the evil was believable. Cutting off Cathy's hair, poison, Cathy getting her feet stomped on, Cathy surviving domestic abuse, and finally always having a loyal lover waiting. They're awful really but teens love drama. My Sweet Audrina is flat out sick. In every way. But the situation is so extreme I always kept making Audrina tougher in my mind. More triumphant. I loved Gone Girl the film. Affleck was perfect and Rosamund Pike made a great cool blonde. I think I started the book but never finished. I didn't find the writing in SO to be especially masculine or harsh. Camille as narrator is fairly dry and observational. I liked it for a short novel. But if I want a popular fiction feminist I will go to Gabrielle Zevin or even Lisa See. They tell female centered stories all the time.
  4. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    You make an excellent case. Had the show been billed as a horror show I wouldn't have watched. And what a depressing horror show too. It is more Psycho than Stephen King. But I guess it hits all the horror tropes. Creepy mansion, blood, mutilation, being hunted in the woods, ghosts, nowhere is safe. But with none of the fun other than the Calhoun Day ep. Horror doesn't usually depress me. I am glad the show is over.
  5. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    I would agree. I enjoyed reading Sharper Objects. I guess my issue is with trying to make it something bigger than a modern, grittier VC Andrews. Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing Flynn re-work My Sweet Audrina for television (my favorite VC Andrews book as a tween). It's when authors try to inflate their importance and cultural impact that drives me nuts. I don't like it when men do it either. Stephen King never does. Dave Eggars is the worst. It's okay to be smart about your work. You don't need to dumb yourself down in an interview. If you are smart, you're smart. But she's not Flannery O'Connor. Not yet at any rate. Maybe she will be someday.
  6. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    I personally think only the Calhoun Day ep balanced all the elements and characters and tone perfectly. All the lead characters were operating at their best. I think HBO wanted another Big Little Lies. A show about female agency. And I guess this fits too. But Flynn at best modernized VC Andrews (oh crap....Andrews has a murderous child too in the last book! A boy). Except Camille is rescued by a father figure. I mean I guess she chooses to be poisoned. Is that agency? But we never are allowed to understand Amma's thinking. We never meet the dead girls before they die. Marion gets some lines but other than seemingly loving her sister what is she thinking? No we get flashcuts of their murders. We get slasher horror instead of insight. TV audiences don't get to know Anne took a chunk out of Amma's arm. That Anne had teeth and fight. We are told and never shown.
  7. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    Would "not rewarded" sound better? :^). But you know what, yeah, I take television seriously. I gave them 8 hours of my life. I read her book. I was willing to go along for the ride. I accepted the micro-second flashbacks. So I don't think it is too much to ask for a reasonably filmed ending. I think they made a massive artistic error. Endings matter.
  8. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    I just noticed too that the police on the show are vastly less competent than in the book. Richard solves the poisoning case really. On the show her damn editor has to save the day (and I'm glad he does because he really is lovely). Richard and the Sheriff prove to be useless. So frustrating.
  9. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    Also putting in spoilers just in case book talk is not allowed yet:
  10. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    In the book (can we mention the book now?) Spoiler tags if not.
  11. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    Everything you said! Everything.
  12. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    Agreed. He was great in his one scene. So good I think he shook Richard's belief in the case. And that scene was well-written. He's smart and thinking on his feet. He doesn't assume he understands Ashley's motivations but has empathy for her. I look forward to his future work.
  13. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    I am impressed you all aren't furious. I did read the book and this ending was wretched. It was a horror movie ending and not a character study ending or a mystery ending. And I think the writer and producers should be punished and not get any awards. And I kind of hope Amy Adams doesn't now either. I find this sort of ending completely insulting. I don't need to be spoon fed all the details, but showing the last three murders in the end credits was lazy. I get that the writer and director are too arty to have a straight ending, but this ...oh boy. My hope is other film-makers avoid this sort of ending. Just the worst. I cannot wait to badmouth this entire series. I am feeling that spiteful.
  14. jeansheridan

    S01.E08: Milk

    She admitted as such in one of the one minutes specials about the adaptation. The book does explain things. Get it from the library and read the epilogue. It will explain the murders. But please get it from a library or a friend. Don't buy it. Flynn doesn't deserve your money.
  15. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    If I were a non-book reader I'd be really angry right now. And I'm actually quite angry they went for the horror ending and not the healing ending (jerks). That was a crap way to end a murder mystery. At least the book made a nod towards explaining the logistics of the murders. What jerks. Seriously. This was absolutely the worst way they could have gone. I saw there were 20 minutes after the hospital scene and thought wow, they can really can wrap this up. Or that they would skip St. Louis and just out Amma at home and then have 5-10 minutes to explain the murders. But no. Assholes. Sorry. But I think I'm done with Marti Noxon and Gillian Flynn and this particular director.
  16. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    The memory flashes drove me nuts at the beginning of the series but they make sense now we have context. I wonder if the series would have been more successful having all eps dropped like Netflix. Critics got to see it that way. The book worked because I read it in two days.
  17. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    I will admit sometimes I find mediocre work more fun to discuss. Really clever writers can be hard to dissect like George Saunders or Zadie Smith. Also less than great novels can make for a good film. Hannibal was an okay book. The television show was way more ambitious. Big Little Lies was a better show versus book too. And I think Sharper Objects the show mostly improves and expands on the novel. I do miss Camille 's more overt sarcasm from the book, but Adams has an innate charm book Camille lacks. I really think Adams has wrung every nuance she could from this script. Other than maybe not knowing how to fake a twisted ankle!
  18. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    Ooo, you did a deep dive! I have only read SO so I don't know her work. Glad to know the VC Andrews references were intentional. It also makes me happy the millennials were weaned on Harry Potter. That's an influence I can appreciate. Sharper Objects feels like such a quick mood piece to me. I agree that Camille doesn't connect with people but she doesn't like women or men. Richard is a distraction at best in the novel. The nurse jumps out as a straight talking lady so there's one decent woman. I guess the book is just quite thin. They are sketches of characters rather than a realistic, deep look at them. It didn't bother me. I don't think I would say the author is a misogynist. She ends on a hopeful note for Camille who getting help from her boss and his wife. They're quite kind people. But is Flynn a trend setting author? She is having her 15 minutes right now. I don't think she is writing modern day classics like Donna Tarrt.
  19. jeansheridan

    S01.E07: Falling

    I just want to thank you for sharing your experiences. It can't be easy even on a relatively anonymous forum.
  20. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    Yikes. Other than Hannibal I hate post credit endings. Westworld does them too. Very annoying. I don't think the ending needs to be rushed if it all gets revealed at that crazy meal (with Gayla in the background). Amma breaks down and confesses. Which is sort of what she does in the book except she murdered a girl in the process. So unless the ending is John & Camille hopping into her car for St Louis it won't be shocking or satisfying. And yes I do mean teenage John. It won't last but I feel they could be good for a bit. Then he will move on. I guess it doesn't squick me out. He is old enough to join the army and vote. Let him make romantic mistakes. And Camille at the end of the book is tackling her drinking addiction. Since it is super clear in the books that Amma isn't hers, none of these hints struck me but you make a good case. I suspect the non-book readers will be annoyed at the ending. No big surprises other than it was a pack of evil girls.
  21. jeansheridan

    S01.E07: Falling

    I am assuming because he had never met Camille before. I think he would have known her had he been around during Marion's death. But that is an assumption.
  22. jeansheridan

    S01.E07: Falling

    Way harsh Tai! I don't like him, but he wasn't around when Marion died and we don't know when Jackie tried to get the records or when he heard the rumors. Nobody mentioned Amma being sickly before this last ep. We saw a tantrum but Adora encourages that behavior. And the sheriff has seen Amma skating around town like a Queen Bee. He knows she is a bit of a wild child. His reaction when they found Natalie struck me as sincere and heartfelt. And maybe it has blinded him to investigating broader. It's hard to know what he is thinking. But he notices things. BB holes in stop signs, how to play Kelsey so she will help him, that the skater girls move in threes usually. He's flawed but I don't think evil.
  23. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    That is a big plot hole in the book. Alan isn't charged with anything so shouldn't Amma stay with him? I like your ending better for a TV show. It won't feel as healing for Camille. And Adams said one and done.
  24. jeansheridan

    Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn

    I don't think the dollhouse floor looks good but I would hate for them to change this aspect. I love that the teeth were just a practical necessity and not some sign of power. She just wanted some real ivory. Sometimes simple reasons are compelling after all the deep psychology. The last episode will feel rushed. Big Little Lies did too. A shame because they had time.
  25. jeansheridan

    S01.E07: Falling

    Okay, the show totally blew it by putting her in the uniform (which I didn't notice). Because I thought Camille made a rare joke with the boy regarding her age (like yeah, she's actually 34 so she IS his mom's age and this horrifies her so she lies/jokes that his mom was before her time). Because I can buy that college-aged Camille came home to meet the new baby. Are you absolutely sure she was in her uniform? Then again, does it really matter? Shows often mess up the ages of character and cast the wrong ages. Adams has been excellent in this. I would hate for her to have missed out on this role just because she is 10 years too old. The script might have been fixed a bit to give her more coverage, but all the emotions and damage make sense regardless if the character is 30 or 34 or 40 for that matter. Is having sex with an 18 year old better if she's 30? Probably not.
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