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Shakma

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  1. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    I remember after the first accusation, no one played MJ's music on the radio, anymore. In the early 90's, not getting airplay was a big deal, since that was the only way people heard new music. Then, after he released his vomit-y, 'woe is me' album, HIStory, they started playing him, again. Maybe not as much as they once did, but that's because we were well into the 90's at that point, tastes were changing, and the songs on that album just weren't very good. Aside from Scream and You Are Not Alone, you didn't hear much from HIStory. But, they still played him, even after he was accused of raping Jordan Chandler. He never truly went away, and he's not going to, now. The, "Think about THE ART!!" brigade can calm down. The art isn't going anywhere, not even after all this. Whether that's good or bad, is entirely up to the individual, and that's one of the positives about having so many streaming services. If I wanted to listen to Human Nature (my favorite MJ song), right now, I can still do that. I don't have to rely on the radio, because this is not 1992. Pretty cool, huh?
  2. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    Nah. Diana Ross was a good friend of MJ's, so of course she isn't going to believe he was guilty. I think he even planned on giving his kids to her, in case his mother died.
  3. Shakma

    The Sounds of Our Lives (formerly General Music Discussion)

    That's my very favorite Bond song.
  4. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    "Locker room talk" also makes me think MJ was overcompensating. "Oh, no, I love women! Vaginas are, like, my favorite thing!" **eyeroll**
  5. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    I think, on some level, Paris must know the things people have said about her father must be true. She will defend him until the end of time, but I think, deep down, she knows he was inappropriate with children, even if she will never make the leap to think that he was an actual pedophile. Paris and her brothers did not have anything close to resembling a "normal" life with Michael Jackson as their father, and Paris, for all her faults, does not strike me as an unintelligent person. There has to be something inside her that knows, and I think that has contributed to her mental health issues. Of course, the Jacksons are going to blame the documentary for this latest episode/attempt, just like I knew they would, because they buried their heads in the sand years ago, and they are not going to listen to reason, ever. Excluding Janet, they are all a bunch of lost causes. To hell with them. Funny how the Jackson family and the Stans are pointing at the documentary for all of Paris's troubles, conveniently overlooking the fact that her life on this earth started with her biological mother selling her to Michael goddamn Jackson. NO ONE with that kind of start in life is going to end up "okay". I have always said that having children of his own was one of the most selfish things MJ ever did, and I still believe that. In the Bashir doc, MJ admits to walking around Neverland holding baby dolls, because he wanted children, so much. That isn't adorable, that is alarming. That tells me that MJ viewed having kids as some sort of fun little project, like he had a toy of his very own that no one could ever take away from him. First and foremost, they were HIS. This is the kind of environment Paris and her brothers were raised in, and it wasn't some enchanted fairy land, it was FUCKED UP. Michael Jackson created a world that no sane person would ever want to live in, for long. It's all so messy and sad. Anyway, I don't particularly like Paris, but I do hope she gets the help she needs, and that she stops using social media and leaves her crazy, toxic family in the dust. I hope she abandons any dreams she has about being a singer, too, because that is probably the worst thing she could ever do. I know she's talked about wanting to be a star since she was a little girl, but really, she should probably move to Montana and raise goats, or something, because I foresee a horrifying, Lindsay Lohan burnout if she chooses the Hollywood path. It won't be pretty.
  6. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    When you grow up thinking the sun shines out of your ass from the time you're a nine, or ten years old...when you work with Motown legends who are practically bowing at your feet, despite the fact that you are half their age, and you grew up idolizing them...when you are given more money than people know what to do with, before your brain is even fully developed...you are going to grow up to be one warped, delusional adult. There's no getting around it. This is what happened with Michael Jackson. I'm not saying this explains every horrible thing he did, but I do think the celebrity worship went too damn far, in his case, and that the man honestly believed he was above reproach, and could do anything he wanted. He had just enough awareness to know that his "pure love" for young boys was against the law, but I don't think he believed he was doing them any harm. And hey, it's what he wanted, so why not make it happen? Everything else in his life had unfolded in that way, so what was really the problem? Michael Jackson was the center of the universe. He was the sun. And, hearing his crazy devoted fans talk about him today, he still is. **eyeroll**
  7. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    I felt the same way, when I watched the Bashir interview. I caught myself feeling bad for little Michael when he talked about the abuse, then I had to remind myself that adult Michael probably abused other innocent children, himself. It was quite a moment. Not to mention, he actually defended himself in court, with the best defense money can buy. He told his story, people. Time for the victims to have a voice and tell THEIR stories.
  8. Shakma

    Miscellaneous Celebrity News

    Agreed. She really knows how to pick 'em.
  9. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    THANK YOU. Couldn't have said it better, myself.
  10. Shakma

    Miscellaneous Celebrity News

    On the other hand, he might have spared Jennifer another divorce by blabbing about it. I agree that a private call would have been much better, though.
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    Miscellaneous Celebrity News

    I forgot Jennifer Lopez and Alex Rodriguez were even dating, which is actually a good thing, since she's been known to jump into marriages/relationships. Wishing them well, but the cynical part of me is thinking, "It's J-Lo. This will not end well." I can't help it.
  12. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    Damn...that's the move of a catty, jealous high school girl who gets pissed when the guy she likes confesses to liking a different girl. Unbelievable.
  13. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    I've always heard of MJ being a musical genius, but I think his true genius was manipulation. He really pulled one over on the whole world. I never heard anything about Joe Jackson molesting his own daughters, or pimping little Michael out to Hollywood bigwigs, but I don't find either hard to believe. Given what we've learned about Hollywood in recent years, it's very, very possible that Michael was made familiar with those creepy pedophile rings, and that he just never talked about it, out of shame. Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman have both said that they aren't as uncommon as people think. Chemical castration, I don't know. Honestly, I find that one a bit too far-fetched, even though it would explain the super high voice. I'm pretty sure a few people talked about Michael speaking with a deeper voice when not so many people were around. Liza Minnelli had an anecdote about how Michael was talking to her then-husband on the phone one day, and when she picked up, she couldn't even tell it was Michael because his voice was so different. People said the same thing about Marilyn Monroe and her breathy-baby voice. IDK.
  14. Shakma

    Leaving Neverland

    That's a very good point. I love Prince, but I can't deny he could be an asshole, especially towards much younger women. So, I can't really fault anyone for still liking/listening to MJ's music. I can't even say for sure that I will never listen to it again, I just can't do it, now. It's all too fresh.
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    Leaving Neverland

    I don't think Michael exclusively targeted white boys. Emmanuel Lewis was black, of course. I don't know the ethnicities of Brett Barnes, Jordan Chandler, Omer Bhatti, or Gavin Arvizo, but they look like people of color, to me. When he did go for white boys, they seemed to be the of the blonde, blue-eyed variety, but I don't think that's all he went for. Nope, not just you. I've watched the documentary twice, now, even though it's sick. I find the whole subject grotesque and fascinating, like a car crash.
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