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Solace247

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  1. Solace247

    Spoilers & Speculation: Running Hot & Cold

    I hope Ray sees some consequences. His choices this season, whilst good, always endangered people yet always worked out.
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    S03.E21: Defection

    What was the affliction Roman has? Is it something we've heard of before? I can't shake the feeling that Jane will end up in the same kind of way as Roman and they'll need each other to have a chance at living. Am I wrong?
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    S03.E18: Clamorous Night

    Oops, wrong thread.
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    Quotes: Classic Lines in Westworld

    Wasn't that exchange between Sylvester and Armistace?
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    S02.E03: Virtù e Fortuna

    Man, it appears I am in the minority both here and elsewhere--I enjoyed this episode and am totally invested in seeing how Dolores' arc turns out. I'm sure it's going to be a process, so I'm just along for the ride. I'm also incredibly patient with this show, which I would consider a requirement for season one, so I'm not really getting all the complaining about pacing or plot since we all obviously stuck it out in the first season--and it had repetition as part of its storytelling. Plus, it's episode 3 of 10. Anyone remember how far the plot had advanced in season one after 3 episodes? Everything looks par for the course to me. I'd considered myself hard to please in the past, but apparently it's the opposite with this show--I enjoy westerns though, as well as science fiction (though not all) so this meets me on multiple levels. Another minority opinion? Maeve's storyline appears to be the favourite of most, but I'm not digging the daughter angle at all, particularly because I don't think it will work out as Maeve hopes (and would rather not spend the time to come to that conclusion) and also from a logistical point as hosts don't age whereas child actors do (looking at you Ford, Jr.).
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    S05.E02: Red Queen

    Has it made the show more palatable? I'm waiting for the first half of the season to air, so I can read everyone's comments to see if it's worth watching. Didn't finish the final few last season as I could see where it was going and didn't find it very compelling. Honestly, I'd probably need a few more deaths before I'd be willing to catch up--there are too many people that I couldn't care less about.
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    S02.E02: Reunion

    The Arnold/Dolores scene is before the park opens and prior to Logan first investing in Westworld, so 35+ years ago. William is dating Logan's sister at the time. Thirty five years ago is when Dolores kills Arnold. Around thirty years ago Logan brings an engaged William to the park and he goes on his adventure with Dolores. William then pitches the park to Logan's father. He essentially takes over Delos by the time of the party. Judging by his daughter's age, let's say that this takes place around 7 years later or so--so like 22/23 years ago. I think it's around this time that he takes Dolores to see his plan. He's definitely displaying his same douche self as at the party. When he's talking to Dolores, he's spitting her line back at her, because he's obviously heard her say it a lot, particularly in the real world.
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    S02.E01: Journey Into Night

    I think a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves. The series is about the birth of a species--one largely modeled after humans. There is an assumption being made that an awakening of hosts would automatically equal progression towards something better, but even Ford acknowledged that more suffering would take place before any true freedom would be attained. To assume that human-modelled hosts are not going to fumble out of the gate is, I believe, missing the mark. Also, this is a story with a beginning, middle, and end--we're near the beginning--why complain that we're not at the end, yet? As for Dolores, she is literally a merge of two disparate personality types--both highly exaggerated. She is the farmer's daughter of a western melodrama (whose story ends in rape more times than not) and the murderous cult leader Wyatt with a sworn army at her back. Let's give it a little time to see where the pendulum comes to rest.
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    S02.E01: Journey Into Night

    "Valley" could be the outside world perhaps. If it is a metaphor for fullness of being, so to speak, I wonder if it has to do with the fact that only some of the hosts possess the ability to come into their own. Alongside the fact that some were 'driven mad' trying to navigate the maze, there was also that point made early on of how only a certain number of hosts were built or programmed by Arnold. I can't remember the number. Perhaps Arnold's 'elegant code' wasn't copied to the newer hosts (although I don't know why that would be--just spit-balling). If that is the case, then a lot of hosts would simply become fodder in order for the 'select few' to escape and become free.
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    Questions and Speculations

    Up until Maeve chose to get off the train, she was operating within programmed constraints via Ford. It can be argued as to whether it was Maeve or Ford who let the cold storage hosts out, but I believe it was Ford as the hosts programming was altered and the "safety's" lifted allowing them to shoot the Delos board and any human they came across. As for why the hosts are following Dolores--Dolores *is* Wyatt. Ford had created within the park a new narrative that hinted at a new villain rising amongst hosts. Teddy, Armistace, and Angela were among the hosts reprogrammed to drop hints about him to the MIB. Angela was one of the hosts programmed to be a part of his group within the park narrative and when he returned. He 'returned' in Dolores. All the cold storage hosts, although lobotomized, were rudimentarily programmed to follow Dolores when she finally chose to revolt against her oppressors and shoot Ford et. al. Essentially, Dolores was furnished, via Ford, with an army that will never achieve self-awareness of their own because they've been lobotomized (unless this can be undone), but will follow Dolores unto their 'deaths'. They're the perfect tool for an uprising. Each host reaches self-awareness on their own and in their own time. As was stated in season one, not all hosts reach it--some end up going mad, ultimately ending up lobotomized and in cold storage.
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    S02.E01: Journey Into Night

    Oh no, it's totally hilarious how easily mobile his arms are. He technically has a formally dislocated right shoulder and an upper left arm that's been grazed by a bullet. I would think merely steering his horse would be agonizing.
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    S02.E01: Journey Into Night

    The flies are the only living things in the park. That's why it was such a moment in the pilot when Dolores killed one at the end of the episode. A lot of people seem to think his arm was broken by Dolores. She dislocated his shoulder and he was seen babying it at the gala, but treated it a little less gingerly by the time daylight had rolled around.
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    Spoilers & Speculation: Running Hot & Cold

    Honestly, I could do with a little tension (not angst), if only because that was totally missing from this season. When Amaya chose to take off and do her own thing at the end, there was little to no discussion after the fact of how screwed up that was and no true self-reflection on the part of Amaya because it 'worked out' apparently. The writers need to be careful to not keep glazing over this stuff just because they wrote it to work out in the end. Ray 'time couriering' to heal Nora on his own without notifying the team (even on the way would have sufficed) was ridiculous and UpSwipze Guy ended up dead. NBD. No discussion after the fact. Amaya stealing the time ship to rewrite history--no discussion and no regrets. If they want to write some tension into the season, they wouldn't need to change much other than add in the fallout from choices and actions that should affect character dynamics and plotting going forward. I like that Legends is fun. I also like when things make a little bit of sense and don't undermine the (loose) world you established. I think you can do both.
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    S03.E18: The Good, The Bad and The Cuddly

    He called them "stupid hawk flying chicken people." He was talking about how Rip picked them because they were a team of nobodies.
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    100 Secret Plots and Alliances: The Spoiler Topic

    I'm struggling to see how this is any different than when they did have a nightblood commander. Too early to tell, but this depiction looks less like a combining of two cultures and more a continuation of grounder culture in an enclosed space. Wasn't the show trying to say something different last season?
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