Jump to content

Emma9

Member
  • Content Count

    131
  • Joined

Community Reputation

317 Excellent
  1. Emma9

    S02.E08: Identity, Part I

    That was my first thought too. Guessing that the Kaylons already knew about the human (and presumably Xeleyan) tendency to see red as a danger color and deliberately fitted Isaac out otherwise so he'd seem less threatening, and he used the same rationale to reverse it for the simulation. (I guess she's just lucky he didn't break out the phaser eyelashes too.) ~ Well, considering there wouldn't be a show if the Union were to be as utterly toast as it should be, the possibilities I can think of: 1. Isaac saves the day (though as one individual vs however many hundreds/thousands of Kaylons there are in the attack force, it'd take a heckuva deus ex machina unless he just convinces the Primary they should desist. 2. It actually is a test/simulation. 3. Waaaay out-there, but how many reappearance cycles has Planet Kelly-Worshippers gone through by now? They might be at a technological level near or beyond Kaylon's.
  2. Emma9

    S02.E07: Deflectors

    Right, but - again - that's why there need to be more anthropologists running around. Is there nobody in the Union who's made Moclans their particular area of study? If the knowledge is out there, is there no one on the Orville who's accessed it? (They know more about Yaphit, for goodness' sake - I loved the "Is he planning to split in half?"/"It's against HR policy to ask that" exchange earlier this season.) In the astrology episode, for example, when Claire was asking about the c-section, and the doctor said "Well, obviously we didn't want the baby to be born [whatever], you must call them something else", and she just went "Oh, right...", that mission could've used someone on the away team who'd say "I'm sure we do, tell me more about that!"
  3. Emma9

    S02.E07: Deflectors

    Since we're only going off one incident, there's really no way to tell, but my perception was that they don't view stabbing your husband as something that needs to be concealed - again, Klyden didn't try to do so, nor did he seem to think it would be considered a crime. So apparently he assumed that either humans have a similar custom, or that the Union knew about the Moclan one and would be fine with him carrying it out. Female births, on the other hand, are so stigmatized that Klyden didn't even know that he'd been one of them until adulthood. (Of course, it's probably not helping that Moclan culture is being 'written' one episode at a time, making it hard to gauge past incidents in light of subsequent events - for example, after finding out that Locar could be put to death for being heterosexual, I'm surprised that Bortus wasn't permanently banished/ostracized for trying to avert Topa's surgery.) Although you also make a good point about the divorce rate!
  4. Emma9

    S02.E07: Deflectors

    I stand corrected. In the former case, they really need someone on board who knows this stuff; in the latter case, Claire hopefully immediately had Isaac patch any gaps in the records in case he knew anything potentially relevant to the Moclans who could become her patients. (In the course of which, you'd still think the spousicide would come up.)
  5. Emma9

    S02.E07: Deflectors

    I would put pon farr on the level of Moclans hatching a girl every now and then, or incidences of heterosexuality - something they actively try to hide from outsiders whenever possible. However, the 'divorce proceedings' issue seems like pure cultural miscommunication - Klyden didn't seem to be under the impression that he'd face any repercussions for stabbing Bortus, nor did he make an effort to hide it. If there are any Union ambassadors on Moclus, I'd think they'd hear tell of this particular method of conflict resolution before long - and a captain with a mated Moclan couple on his ship should certainly be made aware of it.
  6. Emma9

    S02.E07: Deflectors

    In the episode with the star going nova, Bortus and Isaac were specifically mentioned to be the only members of the crew who could go on a rescue mission. So if Klyden has a job, it's a civilian position (which of course is possible, see Cassius). I thought the same; the episode did a good job establishing her as a distinct character. I agree. Between no one knowing about Kelly's ex's sex pollen, Claire not bringing up the possibility of Xeleyan muscle deterioration until after Alara developed it, and the anti-female policies and routine spousal murder on Moclus coming out of left field, they really need an anthropologist onboard. (Which, ironically, was the specialty of said sex-pollen ex, if I recall correctly.)
  7. Emma9

    S02.E06: A Happy Refrain

    The anachronistic references don't bother me because they're so clearly a parody. Some of the other things that this show does for humor do get in the way of worldbuilding or story, imo, but remarks about pine-tree air-fresheners, double-esophagus dudebro, the dancing Bortus and Kelly birthday card, etc etc - the gimmick of the show is 'what if a bunch of 21st-century weirdos ran a starship', and it works in that context. welnoc also makes a good point about SCA et al; besides, we're currently living in the first generation where it's considered normal to archive basically all media in perpetuity. Who knows what that will mean for the longevity of various aspects of culture down the line? And I don't recall specifically, but I think in the scene where Isaac was listing off Claire's preferences, her favorite movie and actor were mentioned as something more recent (to the Orville's time).
  8. Emma9

    S02.E06: A Happy Refrain

    That's a very good point, but it also opens the doors for some interesting character development. After all, the first scene of this episode was Isaac remarking on how unlikely it is that a biological lifeform could ever assist him with his research - and then he spent the rest of it seeking courtship advice from the crew. As you say, we haven't gotten much information on Kaylon yet, and I think that's definitely being held for a future plotline. What happens when they determine Isaac has gathered enough information? Will they want to join the Union, or shun it, or even become hostile? My guess is one of the latter. Would Isaac go along, or try to advocate for them joining? Would being put in the position of choosing sides force him to reexamine his opinions on what humans have to offer? (Note: I haven't watched TNG (TOS Trekkie only), so I have no idea what kind of a story arc Data had and what similarities they might try and avoid with Isaac, so I might be speculating wildly off-track.) I could also be giving the show too much worldbuilding credit again, but Alara and Bortus have both gotten episodes expounding on their culture and set on their home planets. I'd think something of the sort will eventually happen with Isaac.
  9. Emma9

    S14 E13: Lebanon - Episode 300

    Thanks for refreshing my memory; I rarely rewatch the recent seasons.
  10. Emma9

    S14 E13: Lebanon - Episode 300

    Damn, that would have been awesome. Same with what someone else mentioned about how John should have suspected it was all a trick at first - yes, fixing their way out of him being as pissed and paranoid as the character would logically be, in time to still include the heartwarming stuff, probably wouldn't have been feasible, but some nods to the fact that these people are still hunters, with all the reflexes and habits that implies, would have made the fluffy bits even better because they would be pure Supernatural, rather than (albeit loving) moments that could have happened between any characters on any show. Mileage may vary, I guess. My father passed away nine years ago. I don't have any ongoing psychological issues that I need closure from him to resolve - but I miss him every day. If you handed me a blank-check wish, I wouldn't need a moment to think about it. With the possible exception of experiencing something on the level of losing a child, I can't imagine a future in which that would stop being true. Whether this should have been less the case for Dean because of the ways John screwed up is debatable, but even after we started seeing examples of Dean's anger towards him, we subsequently got episodes like 'In The Beginning' that made it clear that the core of love was unchanged. When Chuck and Amara said they wanted to reward Sam and Dean with what they 'needed most', at the end of s11, I'll own to being pissed that it wasn't Mary and John both they brought back - because god and godette don't have the juice for two resurrections? - but again, there's that in-universe/out-of-universe conflict at play. And with the pearl, it wasn't even about need - it was about desire. Want. Time and closure don't mean you stop wanting someone back. All of which is my baggage, of course, but here is your data point that there are weird people in this world.
  11. Emma9

    S14 E13: Lebanon - Episode 300

    Been out of the fandom loop for a while, so I had no clue this was even a milestone episode, nor that anything to do with John was coming besides the quickly-muted THEN starting with the pilot line (which they've used a couple of times in later seasons for less significant reasons, and which I managed to forget about what with all the teen/ghost clown shenanigans). And if JDM was in the credits, I luckily missed it. All of which meant John managed to floor me in a way this show hasn't in years. My initial thought was that the boys were under attack by one of Dean's self-loathing doppelgangers, that they were doing a retread of 'Dean thinks what he deserves most is to be punished'. Glad I was wrong there. As it was... I know John's a controversial character and I don't want to fight about it, but I've always had a soft spot for him and Dean, so it had me crying that Dean's deepest desire is to have him back. All the regrets over the years, the prospect of drowning in a coffin for eternity hanging over his head, but he still chooses his dad. Setting aside the inescapable 'why didn't Dean just wish John yanked back out of the afterlife like how everybody else in the family has come back' thing, the next question is: why 2003 John, specifically? But I think I know. I've always thought about how things must've been between the two of them when Dean wasn't stuck trying to intervene between him and Sam. I always had the feeling that during that time they started to be more like partners. It stands perfectly to reason that that's the version of him, the memory of him, that Dean would want back most. As noted upthread, there were a lot of things that could've been done better. I would have loved to see the boys (and then Mary) doing 'the drill' on John before they'd believe it was really him. John's reaction to finding out about his Men of Letters roots (we got a little of that, but nothing substantial) and that Mary was raised as a hunter. The myriad ways in which the alternate timeline didn't make sense. Details on how exactly John originally found out that the boys were intended to be vessels. Why Mary's memory was intact but nobody else outside the bunker's. What was going on with Michael (for whom John was also a possible vessel, incidentally, so I thought they'd be doing something with that). And I thought they gave up too easily. They could have had John try wishing for the timeline ripples to get smoothed out instead, Sam could wish for Michael to go kaput, keep Mary's wish in reserve, and destroy the pearl only as a last resort. This didn't seem like a situation like with the magic coin where it deliberately corrupts your wish so you can never get an actual positive result. But then, that's always been a problem for this show - even when people could easily be saved or brought back, when others in basically identical situations have (would've been a downer to tell John his youngest son's been forgotten in hell, huh?), it doesn't get done because there's a conflict with the actor or the intended story arc, which in turn makes the characters themselves seem like callous hypocrites (even though clearly Sam, Dean, Cas, and apparently now Jack will always come back from any variation of dead, there's such a thing as going too far or paying too high a price when it comes to saving anybody else). I'm easy enough (and my bar for this show is currently low enough) that all of the Winchester family scenes played me like a fiddle, but still.
  12. Emma9

    S02.E06: A Happy Refrain

    Thank you for this reference! And how appropriately timed; Short Circuit would make a great date movie for the new couple. (Oh god, now I'm picturing Isaac cribbing lines though. "Claire...change color. Attractive!")
  13. Emma9

    S02.E13: Xin

    What you're leaving out here is that Shaun has no experience in this sort of thing, and is therefore more vulnerable to catching feelings. How many females do you suppose have granted him that kind of attention? Of course, that doesn't make it Lea's problem. That's the crux of it, I think - or, not even that he 'caught feelings' (which would have been perfectly reasonable for him to do at the time), but that romantic behavior followed by a statement that there's nothing romantic between them is an inconsistency he doesn't have a frame of reference for. As I said upthread, the viewers, or someone more relationship-savvy, might guess at the reasons. Shaun doesn't seem to have. (And yes, as others suggested, it could be a case of the writers changing their minds rather than Lea the character doing so, or that they're deliberately concealing something until a later date. But it still seems reasonable to think that Shaun is looking at the kiss as a data point.)
  14. Emma9

    S02.E13: Xin

    @vibeology I agree with your post. I have my issues with Lea, but her having a social life isn't one of them. What I do wish she (and the show) would address is that she was being very clearly painted as a romantic prospect for him last season. The kiss et al were her idea. Now: she's 100% allowed to change her mind. And though we haven't been let in on her thought processes, as a viewer I can fanwank that she was interested in him, but that either that interest has faded or she's realized that their dynamic wouldn't give her what she needs in a relationship. And if Shaun had more experience with dating, I'd be more inclined to say that the onus was on him to realize that one of those two things had probably happened. As it is, I think it would be kind of Lea to be clear and specific about it (as she's been about other things: you're right that she told Shaun exactly what to expect as her roommate). In this episode, I don't know if he was behaving jealously - my interpretation of the first scene was that Lea was expecting from a neurotypical standpoint (hence telling the guy to hide in her room) that he would be, while in Shaun's eyes, BF being in a relationship with his crush wouldn't be a barrier to the two of them being friends (he's not a drummer and he likes orange juice, so he's cool!). I'd like to see a storyline like that explored. But I could be wrong about that and the show could be going for a more typical love triangle.
  15. Emma9

    S02.E13: Xin

    I don't remember the episode well enough to die on this hill, but I feel like Shaun pushed it repeatedly and more strenuously than I would have been anywhere near comfortable with in Lea's shoes. The fact that she eventually changed her mind isn't the point. Thanks, I didn't remember that. In that case, yes, he should definitely get the opportunity to resolve his issues in that area. (Preferably not with Lea, because I'm pretty soured on their dynamic on both of their parts, see above...then again, because this is a TV drama, what are the odds of similar crap not happening with anyone new?) I'd be fine if they ditched relationships entirely and just did medical storylines, but clearly that isn't in the cards (see: every other cast member), so it does send an unfortunate message to have Shaun always be the odd one out there.
×