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Surviving R. Kelly

On 1/5/2019 at 8:29 PM, sereion said:

It is important to note that dream hampton reached out to several major recording artists for this docuseries, (notably Jay-Z, Erykah Badu and Dave Chapelle to name a few)---John Legend was the only one who participated; the rest turned a blind eye by declining to come forward and call him out on his creepy behavior. It's as if he's immune to the MeToo movement.

I saw an interesting take on it from Questlove who essentially said he declined to participate, not because he didn't think that he's a trash human being, but because he thinks that he's a trash musician and objected to the premise that he would have to talk about how successful R. Kelly was as a musician and entertainer. I could see where he was coming from the John Legend piece was prominent in the whole setup around "why was R. Kelly allowed to do this? He was a musical genius!!!!" I'm not sure how they would have reflected Questlove's "He was, is, and always will be garbage" narrative. 

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What the hell was going on at the high school that they allowed some 20-something to come around regularly and pick out specific girls to talk to and leave with them?!?!

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3 hours ago, Rlb8031 said:

I saw an interesting take on it from Questlove who essentially said he declined to participate, not because he didn't think that he's a trash human being, but because he thinks that he's a trash musician and objected to the premise that he would have to talk about how successful R. Kelly was as a musician and entertainer. I could see where he was coming from the John Legend piece was prominent in the whole setup around "why was R. Kelly allowed to do this? He was a musical genius!!!!" I'm not sure how they would have reflected Questlove's "He was, is, and always will be garbage" narrative. 

This is why I adore Questlove!

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On 1/5/2019 at 8:46 PM, Neurochick said:

He should have gone to jail decades ago when he married Aaliyah.  I wish Aaliyah was still with us, I’d love to hear her take on this.

From Wikipedia: "Aaliyah was known to avoid answering questions regarding Kelly following the professional split. During an interview with Christopher John Farley, she was asked if she was still in contact with him and if she would ever work with him again. Farley said Aaliyah responded with a "firm, frosty 'no'" to both of the questions. Vibe magazine said Aaliyah changed the subject anytime "you bring up the marriage with her". A spokeswoman for Aaliyah said in 2000 that when "R. Kelly comes up, she doesn't even speak his name, and nobody's allowed to ask about it at all". Kelly later commented that Aaliyah had opportunities to address the pair's relationship after they separated professionally but chose not to. In 2019, Damon Dash revealed to Hip Hop Motivation that Aaliyah didn't even speak of her relationship with Kelly in private; she tried multiple times to discuss it with him, but was only able to find the courage to say that Kelly was a "bad man". She told him that she could only possibly discuss the relationship with a professional councilor. Dash said he was unable to watch Surviving R. Kelly because its interviews with visibly traumatized girls struggling to discuss their encounters with Kelly reminded him of how Aaliyah behaved when trying to recount her relationship with Kelly."

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7 hours ago, Rlb8031 said:

I saw an interesting take on it from Questlove who essentially said he declined to participate, not because he didn't think that he's a trash human being, but because he thinks that he's a trash musician and objected to the premise that he would have to talk about how successful R. Kelly was as a musician and entertainer. I could see where he was coming from the John Legend piece was prominent in the whole setup around "why was R. Kelly allowed to do this? He was a musical genius!!!!" I'm not sure how they would have reflected Questlove's "He was, is, and always will be garbage" narrative. 

Gotta agree with Questlove, there.  I always thought R. Kelly's singing voice was overwrought, and that he had a real hammy, laughably bad stage presence.  The words "R. Kelly" and "genius" should never be used in the same sentence, IMO.

6 hours ago, BuyMoreAndSave said:

What the hell was going on at the high school that they allowed some 20-something to come around regularly and pick out specific girls to talk to and leave with them?!?!

Good question.  When that former teacher was talking about how she told him to stay away from the young girls, I actually said out loud, "And what did you DO about it, lady?!"  In a way, I thought she was just as bad as the creep who forged the marriage license for Aaliyah.  Too many complicit people, man.

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52 minutes ago, Shakma said:

Good question.  When that former teacher was talking about how she told him to stay away from the young girls, I actually said out loud, "And what did you DO about it, lady?!"  In a way, I thought she was just as bad as the creep who forged the marriage license for Aaliyah.  Too many complicit people, man.

A teacher is a mandated reporter too! Too many enablers and he wouldn't have gotten away with it for 30 years without them.

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Not a fan (this whole story is new to me), so please forgive the ignorance: What is Aaliyah doing today? Did she ever remarry?

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2 hours ago, MsTree said:

Not a fan (this whole story is new to me), so please forgive the ignorance: What is Aaliyah doing today? Did she ever remarry?

She died in a plane crash in the summer of 2001 at the age of 22. She didn't get married again.

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3 hours ago, Trini said:

She died in a plane crash in the summer of 2001 at the age of 22. She didn't get married again.

Too young. She had so many opportunities going for her. I remember her last performance movie being heavily played on TV at the time of her death, Queen of The Damned. Beyoncé was close  to her age. I always wonder how Aaliyah would have made it as an artist. Usher told some funny stories about Aaliyah being a big horror fan. That was neat.

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Aaliyah could have easily had a Beyonce level career.  I always thought she was very talented.

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Aaliyah's death is another true crime story in itself.

I only knew one song by her before this documentary, and when I checked out the "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number" song I was pretty shocked that her parents would have allowed her to record a song with those lyrics at age 14. Between that and the inherent sketchiness of a man in his 20s being best friends with a 12-15 year old, how could they never have suspected anything? Did they allow this to happen on purpose to start her career? The album was also co-produced by her uncle so clearly he knew about it.

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Finally finished the sixth episode tonight. Wow, this was powerful.  I felt this was an extremely well-made documentary series. I am glad they chose to make it a six-hour series rather than try to cram it down into a shorter one. They had so much material to work with and they did an excellent job in terms of weaving the interviews and other footage together.  Given how many different people they interviewed, and how consistent all the stories were, I feel this program will break-down any remaining doubts that anyone may have about his pathology. 

I found myself imagining him and any of his current friends/enablers/supporters/etc sitting in their living rooms around the country watching this as it aired. You know that every single one of them did.  That is why I appreciate the decision to include so much material. I just don't think there is a way for anyone to watch this and have doubt about how incredibly disturbed this guy is. I will be interested to see where things go from here. 

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On 1/16/2019 at 5:46 PM, BuyMoreAndSave said:

Aaliyah's death is another true crime story in itself.

I remember I was at a playground with my oldest son at the time (he was 2) and heard the news.  I got chills.  It was so sad.  And then the following year Lisa "Left-Eye "Lopes was killed in a car crash.  I always relate the two of them together because of their tragic deaths (one in the Bahamas during a video shoot and one in Honduras during a documentary shoot) that came so close together.

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3 hours ago, DearEvette said:

I remember I was at a playground with my oldest son at the time (he was 2) and heard the news.  I got chills.  It was so sad.  And then the following year Lisa "Left-Eye "Lopes was killed in a car crash.  I always relate the two of them together because of their tragic deaths (one in the Bahamas during a video shoot and one in Honduras during a documentary shoot) that came so close together.

I remember hearing about it on the morning news. As I said I only knew one song by her from my summer camp dance class (I wasn't allowed to listen to the radio or anything growing up) but I think she may have been the first celebrity who died who I actually knew of at the time.

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I found this show to be most interesting because I have been following the Scientology cult and the superb program made by Leah Remini and Mike Rinder.  I have posted to Mike's excellent blog and I feel like I am a part of this struggle and that I am involved and invested in seeing both of these horror situations smashed forever.

I have a lot to say about both situations. But unfortunately (or perhaps it is fortunately), I recognize that I really don't know what I'm talking about.

For example, I have a suggestion as to what our society should do to R. Kelly but it would enrage most everyone here if I explained what it was. It is not some kind of torture or execution but it is certainly not permitting this abuse to continue either.

The thing that is absolutely astonishing is all the people who have decided that R. Kelly cannot possibly be guilty because his music is so angelic. He sings like an Angel. Therefore he could never have possibly committed these crimes.  I think it is absolutely essential that we find a way to  understand this mindset. Without any understanding, I can't imagine how it could be possible to come to any kind of satisfactory resolution.

How can anyone have any faith in our justice system when jurors make their decisions based on how well someone sings? It's enough to make me believe that human brains are thoroughly defective and all humans deserve to die in a fire. I'm sorry. I really don't mean that. But I find the entire situation to be absolutely nuts!

Most all these cults make me weep for the human condition. If I was a powerful inter-planetary race who was far advanced above and beyond humans, I don't think I would have any hesitation to just take a huge fly swatter and in one fell swoop, I would simply destroy this planet and all the crazy creatures who inhabit it. Seems eminently obvious that none of them deserve to live for more than just one more split-second. If you believe there could exist other life forms on other planets (and I do believe it's possible in the spirit that most anything is possible), I would worry for the continued existence of these crazy human creatures. It seems beyond any debating that - as a species - they just suck to the point where they do not deserve to live.

By the way - I searched the older brother because I wanted to know why he was in prison. All the info I found was very general and vague. Most of it talked about burglary. That is not very important. But I did find it somewhat intriguing.

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