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LuAnn de Lesseps: No Longer a Countess, Still Never a Princess

Just now, AnnA said:

Hmm?   This is getting interesting but we still haven't seen copies of the documents.

The People article said the house was in Southhampton.   It's not; it's in Sag Harbor.

If this is true, she owes her kids 4 million dollars.  

Well more and more TMZ simply says they have the documents.  Their history is really to have the documents so I guess they’re just going forward on that reputation.  It might be that they’ve seen them but weren’t allowed to copy them.  And I am one of those that just kinda waves in that direction and says - Hamptons.  Even though the people that live/play there are very particular about the actual area name.

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1 minute ago, QuinnM said:

Well more and more TMZ simply says they have the documents.  Their history is really to have the documents so I guess they’re just going forward on that reputation.  It might be that they’ve seen them but weren’t allowed to copy them.  And I am one of those that just kinda waves in that direction and says - Hamptons.  Even though the people that live/play there are very particular about the actual area name.

If they have them, the legal papers, then show them and they claimed that have them, not that they "seen" them. LOL

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No news site is always right, and lots of people give side eye to celebrity gossip sites, but from my experience, TMZ has gotten it right more than they've gotten it wrong.

Not looking for a debate about it, it's simply my opinion.  This may turn out to be a whole lotta nothing, who knows?

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I hope LuAnn held on to the money from the Bridgehampton house.    She sold that one for 8 million and bought the Sag Harbor house for 3.1 million.  The kids aren't going to settle for half the 3.1 million.

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People didn't release the story until 2 hours ago and TMZ first posted it late afternoon (EST), which leads me to believe they vetted it and it checked out.

I'm not sure they'd risk being the celebrity world's tabloid darling for a Bravolebrity.

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I guess we will have to wait and see what happens, if any of them confirm the story that is. And, if it's true, bad, really bad on Luann's part but horrid on the kids end as well. They were all just together for the 4th at Luann's Sag Harbor home and Luann/Nicole did the commercial with Dorinda for the Momma Mia 2 movie. 

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From the People article, it sounds like when they divorced, she was supposed to either put them on the deed for the original (marital), Hamptons home or create a trust that gave them half ownership of it.  She didn't do that.  There was a stipulation that she could sell that house and use the proceeds towards another home (which, she did), as long as the kids were either given the money or put on the next house.  She didn't do that either.  Now she wants to sell that house and just move on again?  This seems like it will get messy.

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If the decree allowed her to reinvest in other properties so long as the kids are included on the deed then it's not like they're due money now. Do they really think she'd will her estate to someone other than them?

Neither kid seems to have much going on career wise, so I'm assuming they have trust funds. Hmmm, whole thing seems odd to me. What's the Count's angle? Why now? She sold the original house years ago.

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1 minute ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

We don't know 100% yet. There's an in depth discussion in the LuAnn thread. 

EDIT: OH I'M IN THE LUANN THREAD WTF.

But the docs appear genuine. I am losing hope.

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Interesting in the legal documents it lists Noel as the son of both the plaintiff and defendant but lists Victoria only as the daughter of the defendant.ETA OOPS MISREAD IT LIST HER AS THE DAUGHTER IF VBOTH. 

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1 minute ago, biakbiak said:

Interesting in the legal documents it lists Noel as the son of both the plaintiff and defendant but lists Victoria only as the daughter of the defendent.

At the bottom of the document Victoria has signed as a plaintiff, just above where Noel has signed. 

I think this may be for real 

I have been a Lu fan all of this time. Now the doubts are creeping in. :(

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7 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

Something still seems off, especially sine this hasn't been accepted or verified by the courts yet. 

2 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Interesting in the legal documents it lists Noel as the son of both the plaintiff and defendant but lists Victoria only as the daughter of the defendent.

It also has Noel turning 30 in 2016! This is from Luann's SM, 

Luann de Lesseps‏Verified account @CountessLuann

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Noel's 15th Birthday Party tonight. Busy, busy planning!

7:15 AM - 30 Sep 2011

Which would mean that he is 21 years old, not 30 like this court filing states and I am sure the Count, Victoria and especially Noel know his correct age! LOL

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4 minutes ago, Happy Camper said:

At the bottom of the document Victoria has signed as a plaintiff, just above where Noel has signed. 

I think this may be for real 

I have been a Lu fan all of this time. Now the doubts are creeping in. :(

That wasn’t my point they just put Victoria’s parentage different than Noel’s so I misread it.

yep seems legit.

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I think I misread what they said about his age. It says "Said trust shall terminate on September, 27, 2016 (sic.) when the youngest child, Noel Alexandre De Lesseps, reaches the age of thirty." but again, that would make him 32 now, not 21 and it says the "trust shall TERMINATE" when he is 30! Does that mean that after he is 30 he/Victoria get nothing? This doesn't make sense to me, so can someone please explain it to me. LOL

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5 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

That wasn’t my point they just put Victoria’s parentage different than Noel’s so I misread it.

yep seems legit.

Sorry about that, you are right, I misread your post!

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7 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I think I misread what they said about his age. It says "Said trust shall terminate on September, 27, 2016 (sic.) when the youngest child, Noel Alexandre De Lesseps, reaches the age of thirty." but again, that would make him 32 now, not 21 and it says the "trust shall TERMINATE" when he is 30! Does that mean that after he is 30 he/Victoria get nothing? This doesn't make sense to me, so can someone please explain it to me. LOL

I don't know. All I know is that I am going to pour myself a glass of wine which is probably very inappropriate considering.....

I am verklempt.

Wirewrap, I do so hope that you are correct and this is all garbage!

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6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I think I misread what they said about his age. It says "Said trust shall terminate on September, 27, 2016 (sic.) when the youngest child, Noel Alexandre De Lesseps, reaches the age of thirty." but again, that would make him 32 now, not 21 and it says the "trust shall TERMINATE" when he is 30! Does that mean that after he is 30 he/Victoria get nothing? This doesn't make sense to me, so can someone please explain it to me. LOL

When a trust ends with money still in it the remainder of the trust is just distributed to the beneficiaries so Victoria and Noel would just get a check for whatever was in it at that time and not have to abide by any restrictions of the trust or get the tax benefits of it being in a trust. 

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9 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

When a trust ends with money still in it the remainder of the trust is just distributed to the beneficiaries so Victoria and Noel would just get a check for whatever was in it at that time and not have to abide by any restrictions of the trust or get the tax benefits of it being in a trust. 

Ok, I have a better understanding of how this "trust" works but why do they show him turning 30 in 2016 when he is currently only 21!  And, the document clearly says, in red ink no less, that it hasn't been verified/accepted by the court yet. Either the Count/Victoria/Noel hired some fly by night wanna be lawyer who didn't know the facts or this fake/a joke because the document clearly says "Said trust shall terminate on September, 27, 2016 (sic.) when the youngest child, Noel Alexandre De Lesseps, reaches the age of thirty"! LOL

Either way, if this pans out, Luann's reputation will take a beating in the press and I pretty sure ticket sales for her show will dry up. Someone is out to destroy her, it's either the Count/their kids or someone else but it will ruin her IMO.

Edited by WireWrap. Reason: because my brain is having hickups today! LOL
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Just now, WireWrap said:

but why do they show him turning 30 in 2016 when he is currently only 21! 

It says (sic) so it was most likely a typo in the original document that all parties accepted as an error and didn’t re-execute the documents.

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Just now, biakbiak said:

It says (sic) so it was most likely a typo in the original document that all parties accepted as an error and didn’t re-execute the documents.

I don't understand how they could get his age off that badly, we are talking about over a decade in difference and as you pointed out, they don't list Victoria as the Counts daughter, only Noel.

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4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I don't understand how they could get his age off that badly, we are talking about over a decade in difference and as you pointed out, they don't list Victoria as the Counts daughter, only Noel.

I could be wrong but according to my calculations after a glass of wine, Noel will be 30 in 2026, so that would only be one digit off from 2016 to 2026. Could that be the mistake?

(His 15th birthday was September 30, 2011)

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Both kidults are listed as offspring of Lu and the Count. 

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3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I don't understand how they could get his age off that badly, we are talking about over a decade in difference and as you pointed out, they don't list Victoria as the Counts daughter, only Noel.

 You type one instead of 2 he will turn 30 in 2026.

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1 minute ago, biakbiak said:

 You type one instead of 2 he will turn 30 in 2026.

We calculated at the same time!

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1 minute ago, Happy Camper said:

I could be wrong but according to my calculations after a glass of wine, Noel will be 30 in 2026, so that would only be one digit off from 2016 to 2026. Could that be the mistake?

Yes, that would do it by what about Victoria's parentage and the fact that the document hasn't been verified/accepted by the courts yet? I'm not saying this is fake but I want to hear from 1 of the parties involved, especially Luann before I declare her despicable, which is what this makes her IMO. 

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5 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, that would do it by what about Victoria's parentage

 Victoria’s parentage is accurately  listed. It just oddly uses Alexandre’s first name which is weird in a legal document.

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4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, that would do it by what about Victoria's parentage and the fact that the document hasn't been verified/accepted by the courts yet? I'm not saying this is fake but I want to hear from 1 of the parties involved, especially Luann before I declare her despicable, which is what this makes her IMO. 

Page 5 #9…marriage produced two children, Victoria and Noel.

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39 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I think I misread what they said about his age. It says "Said trust shall terminate on September, 27, 2016 (sic.) when the youngest child, Noel Alexandre De Lesseps, reaches the age of thirty." but again, that would make him 32 now, not 21 and it says the "trust shall TERMINATE" when he is 30! Does that mean that after he is 30 he/Victoria get nothing? This doesn't make sense to me, so can someone please explain it to me. LOL

I think that means that they have full access to all the money at 30 years of age. A trust is set up to help young adults SAVE money, and while trust exists they have to go to trustee (sometimes a third party attorney) to ask for money beyond whatever allowance is set up in the trust. So at 30, they would get all that is left in the trust and control that money on their own. This prevents a 21 year old from blowing through millions before they are more mature. 

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Aren't they filming the reunion soon? Maybe we will get some answers from Luann about this!

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I will wait until a statement comes out from someone that seems legit. 

I still have a sinking feeling.....I have been disappointed before, but this would really rock my housewife world.

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2 minutes ago, Taralightner said:

I think that means that they have full access to all the money at 30 years of age. A trust is set up to help young adults SAVE money, and while trust exists they have to go to trustee (sometimes a third party attorney) to ask for money beyond whatever allowance is set up in the trust. So at 30, they would get all that is left in the trust and control that money on their own. This prevents a 21 year old from blowing through millions before they are more mature. 

In other words, they still have 9 years before they get any money. I wonder if she thought leaving them everything when she dies was the same as setting up a trust (and Yes, I know they are different). No matter what, this looks really bad for her and will hurt her big time. 

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1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

Aren't they filming the reunion soon? Maybe we will get some answers from Luann about this!

Or we’ll get another WWHL at Lu’s house. This time Andy will bring a pot of tea, or a joint in lieu of the wine. 

I’m kidding about the joint ;) 

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

In other words, they still have 9 years before they get any money. I wonder if she thought leaving them everything when she dies was the same as setting up a trust (and Yes, I know they are different). No matter what, this looks really bad for her and will hurt her big time. 

In most trusts, there are monthly allowances set up for the beneficiaries. They receive that allowance and have to go ask permission for more if they need it. When the trust ends, they get whatever is left after those allowances were paid during the time of the trust. 

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1 minute ago, Happy Camper said:

I will wait until a statement comes out from someone that seems legit. 

I still have a sinking feeling.....I have been disappointed before, but this would really rock my housewife world.

Nahhh, I'm to the point that very little surprises me concerning any of the HWs, including the ones I like. They all mess up and they can all be nasty asses but I will wait until I hear from 1 of them and I see if she puts this right, right now. If she fights it, if it's true, then she goes back into the deplorable's category. 

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4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

In other words, they still have 9 years before they get any money. I wonder if she thought leaving them everything when she dies was the same as setting up a trust (and Yes, I know they are different). No matter what, this looks really bad for her and will hurt her big time. 

It would depend on how the trust was set up. Many are setup so you have access to at least the accrued interest if not the principal, allow for regularly withdrawals/allowances. The way it’s written is that they would be in complete control of all funds when Noel turned 30 but she hasn’t set up anything and is not protecting their interests.

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2 minutes ago, Taralightner said:

Or we’ll get another WWHL at Lu’s house. This time Andy will bring a pot of tea, or a joint in lieu of the wine. 

I’m kidding about the joint ;) 

In most trusts, there are monthly allowances set up for the beneficiaries. They receive that allowance and have to go ask permission for more if they need it. When the trust ends, they get whatever is left after those allowances were paid during the time of the trust. 

At this point, who knows how their trust is supposed to be run but lets hope Andy asks her about it at the reunion and that she is honest in her answer. 

If they hold said talk in California or Colorado, then they can pass a joint to each other! LOL

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@WireWrap- agreed! And lol... bet your bottom dollar that Andy has it. We’ll never know if he’s willing to share with The Countess. Lol

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I still have to wonder who gave the tabloids/TMZ/ROL/ the rest a heads up though? With the reunion set to film soon, I have to wonder who wants to hurt/destroy Luann THAT badly? Is it a HW, is it her recent ex/1 of his current gfs, WHO wants Luann to beg for scraps? If it's a HW, I think they will show their hand at the reunion though.   

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I'm just glad that there were a few people still hanging around to bounce around speculations regarding this document late tonight!

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3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Victoria stopped following Luann on IG.

This speaks volumes.

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2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I still have to wonder who gave the tabloids/TMZ/ROL/ the rest a heads up though? With the reunion set to film soon, I have to wonder who wants to hurt/destroy Luann THAT badly? Is it a HW, is it her recent ex/1 of his current gfs, WHO wants Luann to beg for scraps? If it's a HW, I think they will show their hand at the reunion though.   

If this is true, it would have to be someone in the family or close to family. The document was just filed yesterday.

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Just now, hoodooznoodooz said:

This speaks volumes.

Yes and No, they just spent the 4 together and did a commercial for Bravo for the Momma Mia movie, so I'm not so sure they aren't speaking. No one knows when Victoria stopped following Luann do they? Was it recently?

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3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Victoria stopped following Luann on IG.

 

I don't have a clue about IG. When did this happen?

Recent?

Edited to add: Sorry WW, didn't see your question until after I posted this!

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Yes. I believe she was following her on the 4th.

The Mamma Mia thing was probably filmed awhile ago they have legit been advertising that movie since December or January. I keep being shocked that it isn’t out yet.

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1 minute ago, biakbiak said:

Yes. I believe she was following her on the 4th.

The Mamma Mia thing was probably filmed awhile ago they have legit been advertising that movie since December or January. I keep being shocked that it isn’t out yet.

It's a shame if she stopped following her because I doubt that she only found out right before they filed the lawsuit. 

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18 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I still have to wonder who gave the tabloids/TMZ/ROL/ the rest a heads up though? With the reunion set to film soon, I have to wonder who wants to hurt/destroy Luann THAT badly? Is it a HW, is it her recent ex/1 of his current gfs, WHO wants Luann to beg for scraps? If it's a HW, I think they will show their hand at the reunion though.   

Tabloids have moles in the clerk's offices of the major jurisdictions where most celebrity news is generated. Filings come in & a clerk makes a phone call. Alternatively, tabloids can set up keyword alerts for public filings. 

 

The "not filed or accepted" is a red herring. It gets stamped when you submit your docs to the clerk, the paperwork just doesn't get processed until later, when it is scanned and routed into the relevant case folders. 

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4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

It's a shame if she stopped following her because I doubt that she only found out right before they filed the lawsuit. 

Well it could be as simple as they assumed Luann was going to play it straight and then she forced their hand.

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