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S09.E05: Turkish Delights

I have been searching for (unsuccessfully) a clip at the end of the Christening debacle way back. After all the fighting I remember Joe begging his father for attention. Upset and crying about how Joe Guidice had basically taken his place as his son. Talking about how much time the dad and juicy spent together. He also talked earlier in that scene about Teresa cutting his family out of their lives for two years. There is so much more pain and disappointment than missing his ball games, IMO. 

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You know, lately, nothing grinds my gears on all these shows (and IRL) like the divorced people who can't even get a grip on their own life, acting like the know-it-alls on their newfound glorious phase of life. Ditched the husband, got healthy, became an independent woman and got more fit than ever in their 40s. I mean...good for you? I guess the rest of us married losers who stay home with our kids and don't spend hours at the gym and getting fillers and facials, having a stick of asparagus for lunch with our gal pals- we'll take our our notebooks to jot down ideas how to "succeed at life." Give me an f'n break! Oh, and your kids are not okay. If I saw my daughter hug my friend goodbye while rolling here eyes well into the back of her head a-la Milania, i would chew her out at least once we got to the car. 

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1 hour ago, lezlers said:

Melissa really is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.   Teresa spends the last episode telling Melissa to "fix it," meaning, tell Joe to see his father more.  Melissa says she wants to stay out of it and that's not good enough.  So Melissa tells Joe what Teresa said.  Now Teresa is mad that Melissa told him?  Come on, now.   Melissa TOLD Teresa that Joe would blow up and that's why she didn't want to tell him.  Teresa insists she talk to him anyway.  She does and Joe, predictably, blows up.  And it's somehow Melissa's fault?  We all know Teresa hates Melissa and has always hated Melissa.  SHE wants to be the only Gorga woman.   So she's going to look for any excuse to blame Melissa for anything she can.   She's so transparent it's infuriating.   And Dolores, the mindless foot solider, can't see beyond her own blind allegiance to even consider Melissa's position in all of this.  Also, the irony of Teresa and Dolores, one who's husband called her a cunt on national television and sent her to prison and the other who cheated on her non-stop and didn't even tell her he was disbarred, lecturing Melissa on controlling her husband is NOT lost on me.  That one was REALLY rich. 

100%

Delores can walk her fat ass of my TV screen.  She, like Danielle, brings nothing to the show.

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1 hour ago, esco1822 said:

Well, because the real problem is that Joe isn't spending enough time with Teresa, at her house. No way she would allow her father to stay at MELISSA'S house. God forbid Melissa was a better cook, caretaker, etc. Tre's head would spin off her body and out into orbit. I think a lot of us give Joe a hard time about his "work" but really, I can't fault him for wanting to spend time with his wife and kids. Especially knowing how much it hurt him not to have his dad at his games, I think it's sweet he doesn't want to miss all of his kids' life events. 

I don't think Teresa is making it about spending time with her, I think Teresa genuinely wants her brother to help take care and spend time with their father more but I also think Teresa is falling into her bad habits of instead of making this between her and her brother and holding him accountable, she's trying to give him an accuse by blaming Melissa for Joe not having time to spend with their father. It's like an itch with her that she just needs to scratch - but I don't think it takes away from the point she's making and one that even her father is saying - Joe barely sees or talks to him. When confronted, Joe didn't deny the lack of time he spends with his father, he constantly used the excuse that he was busy working all of the time. If he's using a lot of downtime for his family, that's great...but spending time with his father doesn't have to be separate from that. When he went out with his dad, didn't he have some of his kids with him? I can't remember but I feel like there was more than just him and his father together in that scene we saw. The reality is that Joe can take his father out and include him in more of his family outings (dinner, kids' life events) rather than see his father as a completely separate entity that he doesn't have enough hours in the day for. They're both wrong here. I think Melissa should take some heat for not shutting it down when each side brings it up to her and then going back and forth sharing their messages to one another. But for the most part, Melissa has the short end of the stick here, being involved in a matter that she shouldn't be involved him and that's both Joe and Teresa's fault.

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9 hours ago, Hockey Addict said:

Why were the kids eating while the supposedly lovely Turkish spread was being prepared? Before the others got there?

It looked like chicken fingers and fries.  I noticed that too and got a chuckle.

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Surprised that the kids were not eating what everyone else was. Even as a little Hockey Addict I was expected to wait until everyone got there and the same food.

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23 hours ago, Reality police said:

Maybe we misunderstood. Maybe she meant Monte Carlo Las Vegas. 

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Fixed it for ya

 

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ok now I have a point of reference for Jennifer's house -... Micheal Jordan's custom house that is for sale  (9 beds 19 baths 32,683 sqft) is going for $14,855,000. Granted North Chicago isn't NJ but it nice to know a plastic surgeon can bring in the $$ like Air Jordan.

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17 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Jackie may be my favorite housewife ever.  I wonder how long it will take her to disappoint me.

That's how I'm feeling as well. Almost every time I've really gravitated towards a new wife, I've been disappointed. 

2 hours ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

Fixed it for ya

 

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Dead. I am dead. 

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back to Nonno , and his grumpy look, ... I was scrolling though the pix that had Joe from my earlier post and I found one of his-Nonno's mother... Nonno's face, disposition, stare, etc comes from her... ( link)...

Tre better watch out ! :)

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Joe Go basically said he learned by example. He grew up with a dad who worked all the time..."Teresa idolizes dad for what he did for us. So why's she on my case?!" He wants to do for his kids what his dad did for them-- presumably be a provider. Maybe Gorgas left their parents back in Italy or they passed away young and they had time to build the American dream. Now it's new murky territory to navigate so who knows? I see both sides of it but Teresa seriously reaped rewards of her parents when they were alive and able bodied. Her mom was behind the cook books that brought in $. So now it is what it is.

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I think Marge Sr. looks better after the face lift, but it could have been better. I don't think the surgeon tightened her enough - nor does it look like it was done symmetrically. 

Maybe she should go to Jennifer's husband!!! 

 

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I’ve also never heard of falafel balls that included meat but that might be a regional dish. 

They weren't falafel, they were kibbeh balls.  Basically it is a pressed mixture of lamb and bulgar wheat formed around a looser ground lamb and pine nuts mixture.  They are delicious.  And nothing like falafel.  

Let's give credit where credit is due: Kathy did a much better job with her Lebanese spread during her goddess party than Jennifer did with her Turkish party. Both in presentation and explanation of the food.  And mini-marinated mozzarella?  Why not serve actual middle eastern cheeses? 

Jackie is going to eat Tre up and spit her out.  Seriously.  Tre doesn't know what's coming.  She clearly has a zero interest in bullshit.  And she's a lawyer.  Tre is dead in the water.

Is anybody else starting to resent the whole old school family shit?  I don't know why but I find it so offensive.  Like people who don't prescribe to the Teresa family value du jour are somehow lacking in sophistication and intelligence.  What's even more offensive is that it is being spouted from a woman who went to prison and whose husband is sitting in the clinker as i type.  

And what is crazy is that i get what Tre is saying.  How Melissa presents the discussion to Joe will impact how he responds.  But Tre can't say that.  And Melissa wouldn't do iy differently anyway.

It's like Dr. V said. They want to be in conflict with each other.  

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2 hours ago, BrindaWalsh said:

Is anybody else starting to resent the whole old school family shit?  I don't know why but I find it so offensive.  Like people who don't prescribe to the Teresa family value du jour are somehow lacking in sophistication and intelligence.  What's even more offensive is that it is being spouted from a woman who went to prison and whose husband is sitting in the clinker as i type.  

And the woman doing the spouting has repeatedly proved herself to have the iq of mashed turnip and morals to match. Hell yes, I'm sick of it. And hearing Melissa's oft promoted 'We are Italians from Jersey' speech? Makes her sound like she's cosigning. Or explaining away the toxic family dynamic she's married into.

 

Who is supporting Teresa and 4 children in the style to which they're continue to become accustomed? There has been no discernable change to how they live and it must cost a BOMB. I wonder if Joe Gorga pitches in financially, to keep up appearances or due to family pressure from the font of toxicity, his father. Or if Teresa has expected him to and he has refused. That'd account for some of the venom. 

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8 hours ago, queenjen said:

 

Who is supporting Teresa and 4 children in the style to which they're continue to become accustomed? There has been no discernable change to how they live and it must cost a BOMB. I wonder if Joe Gorga pitches in financially, to keep up appearances or due to family pressure from the font of toxicity, his father. Or if Teresa has expected him to and he has refused. That'd account for some of the venom. 

For years Teresa has supported the family through her Bravo paycheck plus whatever side gigs she still has going. It's a fiction that no one can mention that there is significant money because they are housewives. When she was in jail, they were paid for the special series they did.

I find the idea of Joe Gorga being so busy ridiculous because the Gorga family is also being supported by Melissa's paycheck from Bravo and whatever other promotional side gigs she gets. All of those appearances and posts on instagram add up. I don't think Joe Gorga has any income coming in that would support their lifestyle.

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As obnoxious as most of the children on this show can be (reserving judgment on Jackie's), I'm impressed they all got along so well.  It just reinforces my long-held belief that children act better when not in the presence of their parents.

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3 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

As obnoxious as most of the children on this show can be (reserving judgment on Jackie's), I'm impressed they all got along so well.  It just reinforces my long-held belief that children act better when not in the presence of their parents.

Especially these parents.

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20 hours ago, BrindaWalsh said:

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Let's give credit where credit is due: Kathy did a much better job with her Lebanese spread during her goddess party than Jennifer did with her Turkish party. Both in presentation and explanation of the food.  And mini-marinated mozzarella?  Why not serve actual middle eastern cheeses? 

Jackie is going to eat Tre up and spit her out.  Seriously.  Tre doesn't know what's coming.  She clearly has a zero interest in bullshit.  And she's a lawyer.  Tre is dead in the water.

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She is? I thought Jackie was a writer/mommy blogger.

Kathy's spread was amazing.

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45 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

She is? I thought Jackie was a writer/mommy blogger.

Kathy's spread was amazing.

yes. an attorney - Fordham Law school if this site is factual ( link )

I think in her opening she mentions having 2 degrees..

http://www.bravotv.com/people/jackie-goldschneider

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50 minutes ago, sATL said:

yes. an attorney - Fordham Law school if this site is factual ( link )

I think in her opening she mentions having 2 degrees..

http://www.bravotv.com/people/jackie-goldschneider

Oh.

In any case I wouldn't get too excited about Scary Mommy taking Teresa down. Teresa is like Bethenny in NY and Vicki in OC: people who go against the queen never last. She'll either bend the knee or be gone.

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On 12/7/2018 at 12:12 PM, Hockey Addict said:

Surprised that the kids were not eating what everyone else was. Even as a little Hockey Addict I was expected to wait until everyone got there and the same food.

Apparently the adults' food wasn't high enough in calories, carbs, and fat, so they had to throw the chicken fingers, fries, and copious amounts of ketchup at them. 

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9 hours ago, LilaFowler said:

Oh.

In any case I wouldn't get too excited about Scary Mommy taking Teresa down. Teresa is like Bethenny in NY and Vicki in OC: people who go against the queen never last. She'll either bend the knee or be gone.

Which is really stupid of Bravo - they should realize that the shows get more interesting when the 'queen bee' is legitimately challenged.

Which is why I liked the Manzos.  Caroline would not drink the 'poor Teresa' Kool-Aid and, while her kids were a bit bratty and immature, they were delightfully bitchy the way they mocked Teresa and Joe (and praised Melissa and Kathy in Teresa's presence which really fired up her petty jealousy)

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On ‎12‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 8:06 AM, amarante said:

For years Teresa has supported the family through her Bravo paycheck plus whatever side gigs she still has going. It's a fiction that no one can mention that there is significant money because they are housewives. When she was in jail, they were paid for the special series they did.

I find the idea of Joe Gorga being so busy ridiculous because the Gorga family is also being supported by Melissa's paycheck from Bravo and whatever other promotional side gigs she gets. All of those appearances and posts on instagram add up. I don't think Joe Gorga has any income coming in that would support their lifestyle.

I don't think having income coming in from other sources means someone can't be busy at their primary job.   He owns his business.   That didn't change because Melissa got a side hustle going.   I roll my eyes at Teresa's guilt trip anyway since it seems pretty clear Nonno wasn't around for Joe when he was growing up and seems to be a bit of a toxic jackass to him now, anyway. I just don't think Joe has the emotional intelligence to articulate that so he just talks about being too busy all the time.  Maybe if Nonno wants Joe to babysit him, he can not be a dick to him whenever he DOES come around.   

21 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

As obnoxious as most of the children on this show can be (reserving judgment on Jackie's), I'm impressed they all got along so well.  It just reinforces my long-held belief that children act better when not in the presence of their parents.

Lord of the Flies says otherwise.

:D  I kid!  I kid!

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