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S07.E28: Modern Families

5 hours ago, FlowerofCarnage said:

I think it's  pretty much a given that Cate didn't get pregnant alone. Also, no one is absolving Tyler and like I said, he is mad at himself for  his part to play in making an already shitty situation much worse. 

I just can't get how Tyler has it so tough that he needs to "decompress".  He cares for his 2 year old and works on his house.  He doesn't have an outside job.  He marriage might not work so he takes part in having another baby.  He's as trashy as his whole family plus he's a whiner.  

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20 hours ago, Marisagf said:

That scene with Butch and Catelynn was actually kind of nice.  And it was good to see the flashback of how they used to be.  I'm pulling for Butch.  He seems to have gotten serious about recovery and making changes in his life.  He looks healthy.  RIP Butch's glorious mullet.  Cate could learn something from her father-in-law/ex-stepfather.

Agreed. Butch fucks up a lot. But I do think he genuinely wants to improve. His addiction is just SO entrenched. But I feel that he puts forth a much more genuine effort than Cate ever has. 

 

19 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

To be fair, there was a camera crew set up in the living room to record Bentley’s homecoming. It’s not like he got  dropped off at 5:15 pm on a Wednesday to a dark house, and the droper offer wasn’t sure if Maci and Taylor were held up st the office.

I just assumed there was communication Between Maci and Mimi Jenn beforehand? Like, "I'm bringing Bentley home now" - "Okay". *shrug*

 

2 hours ago, kicksave said:

FYI: Their new home was previously owned by a known pedophile.

Creepy. A pedophile tried to buy my sister's old home, but they declined the offer. 

 

21 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

WTH were all those M's on the wall by the stairway leading upstairs?  Surely it isn't for Maci??? 

It's for their last name - McKinney. 

 

15 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

So maybe this wenf over my head or I forgot but did butch say “you’ve only been with TWO (had sex with 2) women you’re whole life.” 

Ummmm who was the second??!!?! I thought Tyler and Catelynn were it for each other. They were like 14 when they started dating! Did I miss something over the last 10 years?

I mentioned this already, but couldn't remember the specifics. So I looked it up. He was 9. It was his sister's friend. They engaged in "sex act after sex act for hours" according to Tyler. 

8 minutes ago, Lemons said:

I just can't get how Tyler has it so tough that he needs to "decompress".  He cares for his 2 year old and works on his house.  He doesn't have an outside job.  He marriage might not work so he takes part in having another baby.  He's as trashy as his whole family plus he's a whiner.  

I don't have an outside job. I care for my children at home. I definitely feel the need to decompress. And I'm not married to a needy sloth. 

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8 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I mentioned this already, but couldn't remember the specifics. So I looked it up. He was 9. It was his sister's friend. They engaged in "sex act after sex act for hours" according to Tyler. 

So butch and Tyler count sexual abuse as a sexual partner......

Wow. How totally fucked up.

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12 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I mentioned this already, but couldn't remember the specifics. So I looked it up. He was 9. It was his sister's friend. They engaged in "sex act after sex act for hours" according to Tyler. 

Wow what the fuck.

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7 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

So butch and Tyler count sexual abuse as a sexual partner......

Wow. How totally fucked up.

 

7 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Sounds like Tyler was raped.

 

3 hours ago, IDreamofJoaquin said:

Wow what the fuck.

I do hope Tyler isn’t counting being raped as sexual partner, weren’t he and Catelynn on a “break” when he went to NOLA? He could be referencing a woman from that time. 

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On 12/4/2018 at 2:25 PM, kicksave said:

I disagree...I think putting Leah on camera with the leg shaving was unnecessary and will be problematic for her with her peers. That is a private and personal hygiene issue that should not have been put on TV.  Don't these girls think about their kids and the crap they're going to have to put with in middle school and beyond? Like Maci discussing Bentley's bowel movements a few seasons ago...some things should be private and these kids need to be protected from so much exposure. 

AMEN to that! 

Imagine when Leah gets her period. Will Amber put that on camera?

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I think Butch talks a good game.  He's fresh out of rehab the way you feel after a vacation..a long vacation.  Sorry but I don't see him sustaining that high.  He'll fall again.  That's his pattern. You just can't count on people like Butch!

You can pray for them and support them but you'll be disappointed over and over again!

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On 12/4/2018 at 1:50 PM, druzy said:

Cate posted this the other day:

 

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Why do I imagine she took this while lurking outside in the bushes, stalking Ty? 

What is the age difference between Tyler & his sister? It seems to me like they aren't very far apart...not that it makes the situation OK, but if Tyler was 9 & the sister's friend was 10, or 11, I wouldn't necessarily call that a "rape" situation so much as two kids engaging in acts that they really shouldn't. because they're too young. Now if the girl was 14, or 15, yeeeah, that definitely changes my opinion. 

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4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I do hope Tyler isn’t counting being raped as sexual partner, weren’t he and Catelynn on a “break” when he went to NOLA? He could be referencing a woman from that time. 

I thought the speculation at the time was that if he was fooling around with anyone in New Orleans, it wasn't women.

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5 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I thought the speculation at the time was that if he was fooling around with anyone in New Orleans, it wasn't women.

Yeah, New Orleans didn't come to mind (and I do recall that speculation!). My assumption was it was maybe someone during the time Cate moved to Florida. She had a boyfriend out there, so I figured maybe Tyler wasn't just the ex pining back home & was having some fun of his own. 

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41 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I thought the speculation at the time was that if he was fooling around with anyone in New Orleans, it wasn't women.

Well it could’ve been both. I brought up NOLA because Cate didn’t go with him and they were on a break. If he had curiosity about other sexual partners (male or female) NOLA wouldve been an ideal time. 

I never got gay vibes from Tyler though (or bi), he could be a 2-3 on the Kinsey scale (only he really knows that). I think he’s a guy that has more “yin energy” than most guys, combined with being raised by a single Mom (I know a few guys raised by single moms, they were only children though, that seem more feminine that most because they grew up modeling a female communication style etc), his youthful looks and slim build, people make judgments. 

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48 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I never got gay vibes from Tyler though (or bi), he could be a 2-3 on the Kinsey scale (only he really knows that). I think he’s a guy that has more “yin energy” than most guys, combined with being raised by a single Mom (I know a few guys raised by single moms, they were only children though, that seem more feminine that most because they grew up modeling a female communication style etc), his youthful looks and slim build, people make judgments. 

I think he dresses like one of (or all of) The Village People , but otherwise I tend to agree. 

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14 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Sounds like Tyler was raped.

There's really no way around it. Yet only CATE is allowed to have "trauma". 

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On 12/5/2018 at 1:47 PM, ghoulina said:

Agreed. Butch fucks up a lot. But I do think he genuinely wants to improve. His addiction is just SO entrenched. But I feel that he puts forth a much more genuine effort than Cate ever has. 

I think Butch has done some heinous sh!t (especially with how he treated C&T with the adoption & hitting April).  I think that Butch is likely on the just-got-out-of-rehab (sober) "high" now and he is going to have to fight this battle every day.  He may fail again, but I wish him the best.  Unlike Cate, Butch does at least seem to have some self-awareness that he's profoundly hurt the people around him & his absence from his kids' lives was immensely damaging.  Butch knows he's been a sh!t person and I think feels guilt and remorse over it.  (Granted, with addicts, sometimes that cycle of guilt just pushes them back into addiction.)  I hope Butch can sober and in any case, I appreciate that he does realize he's hurt people, admits in, and has apologized/is working to be better. Keep working, Butch.  He has come a long way from early seasons Butch. 

He may not be a role model per say, but Cate could probably take note of how he is self-aware enough to admit that his absence from his kids' lives when they were young (among other awful things he did) and at least try to make some amends.  He may fall back into his addiction and old ways like many addicts do, but at least he knows/admits he's an addict who has messed up a lot and hurt many.  If only Cate could see, admit, and work on rectifying how her absences have hurt Tyler & Nova. 

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On 12/5/2018 at 1:47 PM, ghoulina said:

I don't have an outside job. I care for my children at home. I definitely feel the need to decompress. And I'm not married to a needy sloth. 

Being a stay-at-home-parent is, IMO, the hardest job there is. I play one when I'm on semester breaks at work (I work in higher ed).  I enjoy spending time with my kids but after several days of staying home with them....It's exhausting, isolating, repetitive, and draining. I adore my kids (two toddlers) but I long to return to work after a few days so I can have some adult conversation and relative quiet in my office (and use the bathroom alone). I have a friend with small kids who says "Monday is the new Friday!" because she says the little bosses at home work her harder than her boss at her job - haha.  Stay-at-home-parents have my utmost respect because they do the hardest damn job and it's completely undervalued.  


If I was Tyler, I'd be seething with resentment if I was the stay-at-home-parent (also caring for the animals, house, clothing line, etc) while the other parent was gone for months/weeks at a time at the spa.  Reality tv show or not, I'd have left a looong time ago.

That said, I do think Tyler has more help than we're led to believe. (And he has time to work out, write poetry, take selfies, etc....when I'm home alone with my two toddlers it's all I can do to make dinner and do a couple of loads of clothes.)  I think Nova goes to daycare full-time.  I also think Granny April and probably Granny Kim also help a lot more than we see when the cameras are around, too (especially April).  Tyler's sister has also tweeted in the past about babysitting Nova, so she helps out (god help Nova and any kids she watches), too.  That said, I'd still be resentful even if my kid was in daycare all day and I had some breaks/help provided by family if I was still doing the majority of the care of the child for 6 weeks or so by myself while the other parent was at the spa.  (I'd understand if it was for work or a military deployment, obviously, but I'd be pissed if they were at the spa.)  Basically, even with help I don't blame Tyler for being resentful.

On 12/5/2018 at 9:07 AM, druzy said:

"Tyler came up with it. He was looking up different names, and he saw names like Leslie. We have Novalee and now Tezlee. We wanted to keep the names kind of similar," Cate recently revealed to MTV News, adding that Tezlee is not named after anyone and she plans to dress her daughters in matching outfits.

I KNEW Tyler came up with it.  This extra, stupid name-that's-not-a-name has Tyler the Poet written all over it. 

"Tezlee" sounds exactly like a name that a 7th grader who writes embarrassing poetry would think is an awesome name.  However, by the time someone is 26 (?) years old, they'd realize their poetry is lame and Tezlee isn't a name. 

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On 12/4/2018 at 4:54 AM, bounnatalie said:

He is over this marriage.  When he was speaking with Butch, saying how mad he was that he's only been with two women? 

Wow. I think Tyler is realizing all the missed hook-ups he could have had in the past decade (especially since he's a reality TV star) and that he missed out on all of those because he was in love/pretending to himself to be in love with the girl-who-placed-their-baby-for-adoption-at-his-urging (and who has TM$/fame).  Then he realized he doesn't even like this girl he's spent some of the best years of his youth with.  In fact, he kind of hates her (okay, he really hates her).

I think Tyler is going to be looking for some strange soon.  He obviously wants to see what he's missed by staying with this life-suck of partner.  He may also do it & let Cate find out as a way to finally get Cate to end their relationship so he doesn't have to (although I hope he is just upfront with her and leaves before exploring what he's missed).  I think the only thing stopping him from cheating may be that he doesn't want the public to find out and get "hate" on social media. Cate better get it together and work on herself (as they say) and keep a watchful eye on Tyler.  Some girl is going to roll up into his DMs and he won't say no this time. 

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Obviously, Cate didn't get pregnant on her own and they are both responsible for the pregnancy and the child, BUT, I believe that Cate claimed this baby was a "surprise," so I think she (allegedly) had an implant or some other type of birth control. I question whether she had the implant removed/stopped taking the pill/etc. in order to latch onto Tyler as she felt him slipping away with the talk of a trial separation, etc. Strictly speaking, sex is a "you play, you pay" proposition, but I can't say it's unreasonable to trust your spouse/partner since you were a child to be honest about being on birth control (or not). IF Cate lied to Ty about that, I do "blame" her and have more sympathy for him than a guy who trusted some random girl who claimed to be on birth control. I could also understand if Tyler suspecting/knowing that Cate "trapped" him into another baby was the final nail in the coffin of their relationship for him.

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I think butch is the biggest bull shitter I have ever seen.  He knows when to hold them and knows when to fold them!  I swear he knows how to lull you into a dream state with his sweet words!

Butch is all talk and no show!  He lives for rehab!  He says everything his family wants to hear.  He stays on the show.  They pay for another rehab.  Wash, spit, rinse!

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11 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Being a stay-at-home-parent is, IMO, the hardest job there is

 

11 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

It's exhausting, isolating, repetitive, and draining

I feel you.  I have a hardish job in the sense that I work at overnight position at a shelter.  The sleep deprivation and strange hours take a toll and I'm alone - sometimes with some creepy kids.  My husband gets worried about my health and safety.  Today he said he would be willing to work a second job so I didn't need to work.  I was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!  I like working, working for this type of organization, having something to myself outside of my family.   Being at home with my kids too much is so numbing. My brain felt like it was melting and I was desperate for any adult interaction.   It actually made me a little depressed and I just wanted to sleep all day and want them to go to sleep.  Staying at home might be for some people, but not for this lady. 

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I would have liked to see Tyler take Amber back to the house she trashed and make her clean it up.  You know, as part of the "process".

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23 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

He may not be a role model per say, but Cate could probably take note of how he is self-aware enough to admit that his absence from his kids' lives when they were young (among other awful things he did) and at least try to make some amends.  He may fall back into his addiction and old ways like many addicts do, but at least he knows/admits he's an addict who has messed up a lot and hurt many.  If only Cate could see, admit, and work on rectifying how her absences have hurt Tyler & Nova. 

Maybe I'm not paying as much attention but I thought Cate was going to mental health facilities.  Where else did she go and for how long?

18 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

I think butch is the biggest bull shitter I have ever seen.  He knows when to hold them and knows when to fold them!  I swear he knows how to lull you into a dream state with his sweet words!

Butch is all talk and no show!  He lives for rehab!  He says everything his family wants to hear.  He stays on the show.  They pay for another rehab.  Wash, spit, rinse!

He's a grifter, the worst kind, the kind who takes advantage of their own children.  It looks like Tyler's family is trying to get as much of Cate and Tyler's money as they can whether it's free housing or free rehab.  Pure trash.

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I am a real estate agent, so I have odd hours. Weekends, week nights, whenever someone calls to see something, but for the most part I am home with two kids 3.5 and 14 months. Being a SAHM and the only break you get is to go to work is absolutely the hardest thing imaginable. I wouldn’t trade it for the world and I am lucky because one sale could mean (and does sometime mean) making 20k-30k in one deal. So I consider myself lucky to be able to do what I do and do it well and also be a kick ass mother who teaches her kids the RIGHT way to be and to treat others. Not to brag but everyone always says how good my kids are. 

Caitlyn has nothing but rehab and counseling. That’s her work. Her work is all about HER! It’s not contributing anything to society. It’s working on herself. Then she comes home to be an inattentive mother and a lazy unsupportive partner. So all that “working on herself” has not benefitted her to being a better person to anyone but her. I don’t blame Tyler for being completely totally and utterly fed up. He is a good father, he at least works in his homes, works with his hands, and tries to run that stupid business on his own. He’s basically a stay at home dad and Caitlyn’s caregiver and barnyard help. He is always cleaning up caits messes. He’s not perfect but I do not blame him for one second if he chose to divorce her and I almost admire his candor in saying having this new baby is not ideal. He’s not trying to play happy fucking family for the camera and I think that speaks volumes to who he is as a person 

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On 12/7/2018 at 11:14 PM, KittyKat133 said:

Caitlyn has nothing but rehab and counseling. That’s her work. Her work is all about HER! It’s not contributing anything to society. It’s working on herself. Then she comes home to be an inattentive mother and a lazy unsupportive partner. So all that “working on herself” has not benefitted her to being a better person to anyone but her. I don’t blame Tyler for being completely totally and utterly fed up. He is a good father, he at least works in his homes, works with his hands, and tries to run that stupid business on his own. He’s basically a stay at home dad and Caitlyn’s caregiver and barnyard help. He is always cleaning up caits messes. He’s not perfect but I do not blame him for one second if he chose to divorce her and I almost admire his candor in saying having this new baby is not ideal. He’s not trying to play happy fucking family for the camera and I think that speaks volumes to who he is as a person 

When someone is mentally ill then rehab and counseling is their whole life.  That's not unusual.  I don't know anything but what I've seen on TV but it appears that she has pretty debilitating depression and anxiety.  As for "Ty" being a good father, he probably is.  I would assume he's fine and there doesn't seem to be any issues with neglect or abuse by either of them.  But I don't get the "admiration" for him.  He's an idiot and poor Cate is basically simple.  In my opinion neither have done anything for a person to admire or hate them.   They are both what you'd expect based on their upbringing.  

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