General Music Discussion

I figure we could use one of these just to have a place to speak (and throw shade) generally.

 

I heard Demi Lovato's latest song "I Really Don't Care" today and it's kind of a cute song, but she's starting to grate. I didn't really care about her until she came out with "Skyscraper" after went to rehab for unspecified reasons (see: burgeoning drug addiction; eating disorder). I've noticed she tends to push her voice a lot, and not in the interesting way Christina does, but she always seems like she's almost straining to get her songs out. Like maybe her songs are all written a step-and-a-half too high for her range. It's hard to really appreciate the shades of her voice given that she's always on the gas pedal, so to speak.

 

And...well, I've seen her perform live a few times and she's kind of like Rihanna in that a lot of her charisma seems to fizzle when she sings live. Demi sings her pretty little head off on her records but live she's like Top 8 Performance Night: Songs From The 2000s on American Idol. Good, but a bit unpolished and amateurish.

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Thanks for starting the thread @27bored - I love general discussion threads.  ::giggle::

 

Usually during the day when I work, I turn on the soft rock station on my cable and just let it play in the background.  I get turned on to a lot of new music this way.  The latest find has been George Michael's remake of Terrence Drent D'Arby's Let Her Down Easy.  Even though Terrence's version is good, George's version is mesmerizing.  I can't believe that after 30 years of being on the music scene, his voice can give me goosebumps.  Great song.

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I am strangely eclectic in my musical preferences. I go on jags where I only want to listen to one style or one artist & then I completely change. My iPod is a hodge podge of randomness. One of my favorite bands through thick & thin is Blue October. I stinking love them. Nostalgia wise I still love INXS. They are just like a teddy bear to me in their familiarity. One of my best friends plays & sings & occasional records his stuff & I love it, but I'm probably one of four people who have heard it. I was raised on a lot of country & Johnny Cash sounds like home to me. Due to me kiddos I've been listening to Ariana Grande & The Wanted & fortunately I don't mind them. Also as cliched & ubiquitous as Taylor Swift is I still sing along with her songs all the time. 

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I've always been a big Prince fan, and a couple of weeks ago I decided to listen to every one of his albums in chronological order.  It's fascinating to hear/see how he evolved as an artist, and I'm unearthing a lot of gems I never really noticed before ("17 Days" from The Hits/The B-Sides is stuck in my head, and I love it).

 

Aside from that "project", I am listening to a lot of power pop, like  Weezer, Big Star, Squeeze, and Supergrass.  Guess I'm just a pop girl.

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Oh good, I've been wanting to ask this question, but I couldn't find a thread for it. Does anyone else think that Ed Sheeran's song Sing sounds just like Justin Timberlake? The only songs I know from him are Lego House (meh on the song, I like the video with the Legos) & the song with Taylor Swift (which I don't like), so I thought he was one of those folky, ballad kind of singers. When I heard Sing on the radio, I thought it was Justin Timberlake. Then I saw the video & I thought that it was Justin Timberlake with Ed Sheeran until I finally realized Justin Timberlake had nothing to do with it. Did Ed Sheeran change his style? 

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Rest in Peace Casey Kasem. I never listen to the top 40 countdown after Ryan Seacrest took over and Shaggy wasn't quite the same either!

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RIP, Gerry Goffin.  Carole King's first husband, and one of the most prolific of song writers.  He wrote 59 Top 40 hits.

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So, Scott Stapp of Creed claims he is "penniless". While it is a sad situation, well...he can thank his drug habit for helping to suck up some of his earnings. Sigh. But I've read the remaining members of Creed don't want a reunion. Maybe he can do solo work if he's cleaned up his act?

 

For his sake, I do hope things improve for him. Just goes to show things can change in a heartbeat.

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So, Scott Stapp of Creed claims he is "penniless". While it is a sad situation, well...he can thank his drug habit for helping to suck up some of his earnings. Sigh. But I've read the remaining members of Creed don't want a reunion. Maybe he can do solo work if he's cleaned up his act?

 

I hope the original members don't reunite. Alter Bridge is so far superior to anything Stapp was ever involved in.

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I hope the original members don't reunite. Alter Bridge is so far superior to anything Stapp was ever involved in.

 

I like Alter Bridge, but where the hell was I? That's the rest of Creed? Huh.

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I don't understand how somebody who has no money can live in a Holiday Inn.  Isn't that expensive?

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So, Scott Stapp of Creed claims he is "penniless". While it is a sad situation, well...he can thank his drug habit for helping to suck up some of his earnings. Sigh. But I've read the remaining members of Creed don't want a reunion. Maybe he can do solo work if he's cleaned up his act?

 

I don't want to be a dick, but it's weird when musicians say they're broke as if they can't still do what made them money to begin with. There's something strangely comforting about living below your means. Buy a small house back home, get a Camry, and sock away the rest of your money and you'll never have to worry about being broke. Don't start a faberge egg collection and get a coke habit and then complain that you're broke because duh.

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That kind of thinking is contrary to the delusional beliefs of rock stars - can Creed be considered rock stars? You'd be kicked out of the R S Club for perverse thinking!

If your Strapp, you hope to negotiate this into some VH1 reality rehab program.

Of course, it's sound practical advice in general.

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You're right that isn't the "rock star" way, but there have been enough Behind the Music programs for Scott Stapp to know that eventually the money runs out, the fans grow up/stop caring, and then you'll have to have something to fall back on. I'd rather have a modest life than be in a magazine talking about how I'm begging my fans for money so my kids aren't starving. That's waaaay more embarrassing than having a comfortably middle-class background.

 

I have a question that I need some women to help me out on. I don't normally judge dudes, but I'm curious if women find Justin Timberlake and Adam Levine sexy or is that something Hollywood is telling us about them. With Justin, I don't know, the dude looks kind of hard in the face. I don't mean rugged, but just a little worn out. It's like he's hitting that wall and it's not going too well. I think he looks older when he shaves, but his beard looks scraggly and a little unkempt. He still has a head full of hair and he's tall and on the slimmer side, plus he has the past-hotness thing working for him (like, chicks used to think he was cute back in 2002 so some of them are still operating under the idea that he looks just as good as he did when he was 21), but JT is starting to look old. Not a bad looking dude if you saw him at your high school reunion, but OMG TEH HOTNESS? I don't get it.

 

Adam Levine is kind of the same way. Dude is like a buck fifty soaking wet and he stares at the camera with a sort of dead-eyed eye-fucking thing that I guess is supposed to be sexy but...really? I never have gotten why chicks find Adam Levine sexy. Is he just best looking member of Maroon 5 so thus he's sexy? I can understand chicks like the slender guy with the tattoos thing because that's how a lot of rock stars look, but Adam Levine doesn't seem to have any of that edge. He seems like a pretty boy who sings in a wimpy falsetto voice most of the time. Not to say I don't usually enjoy Maroon 5's output because they usually come up with some catchy songs, but I don't get the panty-poofing thing.

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I never found Justin Timberlake remotely attractive or sexy. 

 

It's different with Adam Levine though.  Something about him in those torn jeans......those hard thighs.....yeah, it's the body that makes him sexy to me. 

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I never found Justin Timberlake remotely attractive or sexy.

It's different with Adam Levine though.  Something about him in those torn jeans......those hard thighs.....yeah, it's the body that makes him sexy to me.

 

Co-sign. It goes back to, for me, the fact that there is a difference between being "good-looking" and "sexy".  Many of my friends find JT sexy, but I don't. And I don't particularly find him that good-looking (he's just not my type).  But as for Adam Levine... while I wouldn't call him conventionally "good-looking", his attitude and the way he moves make him very sexy to me. 

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He's more tatted up than I would like, but Adam Levine has always been sexy to me.

 

As for JT...eh. He just feels fake. There's nothing remotely genuine to him. My friend said that he thinks JT is gay, which might be why he seems so off to me.

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I'm curious if women find Justin Timberlake and Adam Levine sexy

I'm way too old for JT, but he would never have been my cuppa.  Adam Levine would have also fell out of my attractive spectrum, but I can appreciate why some girls/women might find him appealing.  I'd say his stock has dropped a lot since being on The Voice - he comes off as pretty douche.

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As for JT...eh. He just feels fake. There's nothing remotely genuine to him. My friend said that he thinks JT is gay, which might be why he seems so off to me.

 

Good point. I've always thought that too. I think he tries to portray himself as a low-key goofball, but I have the feeling Justin's moody and a bit cold, full of himself, and probably a little difficult to work with. He seems like a know-it-all mama's boy type. I can't quite put my finger on why, but I've always thought he seemed fake. And that doesn't take into account the shameless co-opting of black music that he does.

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I have the feeling Justin's moody and a bit cold, full of himself, and probably a little difficult to work with. He seems like a know-it-all mama's boy type. I can't quite put my finger on why, but I've always thought he seemed fake.

I've always thought he seemed like a big baby with too much power who thinks too much of himself. In other words, he's the original Justin Bieber. I remember when that whole thing with Janet Jackson's nipple happened & he threw her under the bus implying that it was all planned & nobody told him. He seemed like such a jerk when he talked about it.

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I'm watching an interview with Katy Perry on Access Hollywood about her Super Bowl half time show, and she is just ridiculously cute.  I love her personality.  And she is gorgeous, of course.

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Thank goodness for that friend that you can call up or text music questions to.

 

I heard a Steve Winwood song the other day but I always think of him as Stevie Winwood and I have no idea why.  Asked my friend last night and he explained that everyone used to know him as Stevie since he started playing with the Spencer Davis Group at 14 and then on to Traffic & (forming) Blind Faith at 21.

 

So I was correctly remembering, but just not the why.

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I totally think the JJ/JT thing was planned based on publicity from JJ's own people. They clamped up real quick. Her people know how to shut up when necessary (see her 1st marriage). That's not to say JT wasn't wrong in how he handled it. I didn't follow that situation since I found the whole thing, the thing being the reaction, dumb.

Can't help on the JT and AL sexiness. I've never found them sexy. JT, cute, hot at some point I'm sure. I get why some women would though. With singers/muscians, it's their look, talent, look as in clothes, and/or swagger. Sometimes you can look past the physical if the rest works for you.

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nutjob - based on your list of concerts, I thought you might know this.  Anyone else who knows, please help me out.

 

Foo Fighter's Something from Nothing uses a riff that is essentially from Ronnie James Dios Holy Diver.  I know that riff, but from a different song around the same period as Holy Diver but for the life of me can't recall which song or band.  All I can hear is the instrumental in my head, but I can't get pull up any words.  I never listened to much metal, but it was something that was played regular on the station I listened to which was hard & classic rock.

 

This has been making me batty for days!

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I'm not Nutjob, but if you give me a timecode for the riff in question I'll give it a listen.

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JT - from the Nsync days I thought he was cute, but always preferred JC (both singing and looks wise).  Today, he's okay but I don't find him attractive.

 

Adam - he's a little too skinny for my taste, but I do think he is hot.  I like his face.

 

Ed Sheeran - I love his music and voice, but do not find him attractive at all and I have a soft spot for gingers.

 

There's really no one in music right now that I'm crushing on.

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DeLurker, "Holy Diver" was the first thing that popped into my head when I heard that song (I also love the Foos), but I'll think about it and see if anything else pops into my brain.

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I don't want to be a dick, but it's weird when musicians say they're broke as if they can't still do what made them money to begin with.

 

 

You're not!  You brought up a good point.  Although in some cases, they can't go back to singing/performing because they either burned too many bridges (professionally as well as personally to their fans), they're no longer relevant, or they've destroyed their talent via drugs or alcohol.  I remember Whitney Houston's voice coach (who was working with her in the months prior to her death) remarked that her voice was just "gone".  Her years of abuse took its toll and there just wasn't any coming back from that. 

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Poor Whitney.  Before she died she was on tour somewhere in Europe, trying to revive her career.  There's a youtube film of her singing on stage and she hit what I would call the worst note I had ever heard in my life.  She just lost it.  It was so sad.    

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Poor Whitney.  Before she died she was on tour somewhere in Europe, trying to revive her career.  There's a youtube film of her singing on stage and she hit what I would call the worst note I had ever heard in my life.  She just lost it.  It was so sad.    

Have you heard Mariah Carey lately? She can't even lip synch to her own music anymore.

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Yes, Mariah is sad, too, but I've never heard her hit a note as bad as Whitney did.

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This has to be the right place to ask....Does anyone know what the meaning of Rihanna, Kanye, and Paul McCartney's new song is?

 

I keep hearing it and wondering what kind of situation results in someone being either four or five seconds from "wilding" (which seems to be defined roughly as starting a riot) but at the same time counting down the days until Friday while also trying to make it home (on some kind of multi-day hitchhiking ordeal?)

 

I may be overthinking this.

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I'm watching an interview with Katy Perry on Access Hollywood about her Super Bowl half time show, and she is just ridiculously cute.  I love her personality.  And she is gorgeous, of course.

 

Katy Perry seems kind of fake to me. And I don't mean that she's not always "on" but I think she's probably kind of an asshole. I think some of her songs are okay, but yeah. I've never been a fan of her personality. Whenever chicks are all Disney in front of the cameras I tend to think they're probably bitches behind the scene (i.e. Rosie O'Donnell, Rachel Ray).

 

 

 

Poor Whitney.  Before she died she was on tour somewhere in Europe, trying to revive her career.  There's a youtube film of her singing on stage and she hit what I would call the worst note I had ever heard in my life.  She just lost it.  It was so sad.

 

Yeah, Whitney's decline was sad. But you know, I think a big reason why she lost it is because she never truly kicked the habit. She was working with a vocal coach, and I think remember him saying that he didn't feel she was ready, vocally, to start performing and touring yet, but her people were pushing her out there because she needed the money. But Whitney was still using and I bet people around her knew it even if the media was trying to suggest she was on the upswing and on her way to a comeback.

 

I honestly don't know what Mariah's problem is. I don't know if she just can't sing anymore, if she's trying too hard to force a style that doesn't suit her, or what, but I can't even say I like Mariah's voice anymore. I think part of Mariah's problem is she wants to sound sexy instead of good. And on stage she's always in these tight ass cinched up dresses and heels and she looks like she's posing the entire time. I don't know. Maybe she doesn't take enough care of her voice.

 

BTW, last week they played a rerun of SNL from 1990 when Mariah had first come out and...like night and day. She had a mop of curly brown hair, thin as a rail, simple clothes, but she sounded great. She did "Vision of Love" and "Vanishing". She hadn't performed a lot live at that point, so she was still wrangling her nerves, but I'm like, that's the Mariah Carey we all know and love and want to remember. Not this pre-menopausal hoochie who dresses like a Disney princess and minces around the stage looking like she has to take a shit while hitting weird notes nobody recognizes as music.

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I think part of Mariah's problem is she wants to sound sexy instead of good.

Yes.  She needs to cut out all the breathy crap because she certainly has the chops to just, you know, sing.

 

And on stage she's always in these tight ass cinched up dresses and heels and she looks like she's posing the entire time.

I had to laugh at this because, I swear, she looks like she can't breathe, much less sing.  She's trying waaaaay too hard to look sexy when she doesn't have to try.  If she just wore sensible (i.e., comfortable), yet still glamorous clothes and performed more naturally instead of the posing, she would come off much better.  She'd probably feel better too.

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OK, finally heard the song that the riff from Something from Nothing reminds me of - Led Zeppelin's Immigrant Song.  In listening to it, it is closer to Holy Diver but it triggers Immigrant Song in my head.

 

Not a Zep fan - too much forced exposure  by an older brother in my formative years - so maybe I can overwrite this with Holy Diver now.  And since Immigrant Song was early 70s, I totally got the time wrong.  In my own defense, the local rock station still had Zep in strong rotation during the early 80s.  This was the same radio station that decided on the Friday night before Stones tickets went on sale Sunday AM to play nothing but Stones.  Ahh...the good ol' days...

 

So thanks everyone for trying to help me from going completely batty!

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My tastes are all over the place. I grew up in the 60's/70's on suburban Long Island so I grew up mostly listening to what is now known as classic rock as well as the Top 40 of the day. Top 40 radio back then was all different kinds of genres, not segregated like today. O'Jays played side by side with Elton John, for instance.

Growing up in a Hispanic household also had me loving salsa/merengue.

Fave acts ever include The Pretenders, Beatles, Hall and Oates, O'Jays, Marvin Gaye, Fleetwood Mac, Ronstadt, etc 

 

I've been pretty much disillusioned with the state of music for the past 15 years or so. I found myself listening to a lot of country music. I was attracted to the lyrics. I always liked country and Johnny Cash is probably my favorite artist, period.

 

I'm kind of shying away from the pop Country of today but I do have a fondness for Kenny Chesney. But while I love Miranda Lambert and Dierks Bentley, I really go for artists like Dwight Yoakam, Marty Stuart, Emmylou Harris and of course old school Cash, Buck Owens, Waylon and even Hank Williams (Sr) 

 

But what really spins my head is Sinatra. I love the guy. He was special and every song is an adventure with him. Love the Swingin' 60's Frank most of all. His crooning era stuff was also beautiful, in no small part due to the songwriters of the day like Porter, Gershwins, Berlin, Sammy Cahn, etc. I love a good lyric and those folks had them in spades.

 

I love a woman who can sing and for me I will listen to Gladys Knight over Whitney, Mariah, Miss Ross and even Aretha (she's a close 2nd to my girl Gladys.

 

Justin vs Adam? No contest...JT. You could see his talent back in the NSync days. He has presence and he appreciates all music. Way sexier than Adam. I actually think AL/M5 sold out. When Maroon 5 came on the scene they were a very soulful, melodic band. But they have sort of become this pop music juggernaut that is all bells and whistles. Now, I will concede that Moves Like Jagger is one of my favorite songs. I do love it. But I find them boring, now.

 

I think Mariah and Whitney could have done so much more than what they did during their hay days. It's like they tried too hard to be relevant to the times. They could have become real song stylists. They succumbed to the theatricality of singing....big voice, high notes, vocal gymnastics. I'm not saying they weren't/aren't gifted singers, just that they could have been more. Maybe I just like voices like Gladys and Barbra, women who just have a certain style, a uniqueness. I'll throw in Ella, Dinah Washington and Sara Vaughan.

 

Someone like Luther Vandross had something special in his voice...he could move you with just the way he breathed in a certain song. I never felt that with Whitney or Mariah.

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I think Mariah and Whitney could have done so much more than what they did during their hay days. It's like they tried too hard to be relevant to the times. They could have become real song stylists. They succumbed to the theatricality of singing....big voice, high notes, vocal gymnastics. I'm not saying they weren't/aren't gifted singers, just that they could have been more.

 

 

 

I agree.  I blame it mostly on the record industry more than anything.  Of course from what I'd heard in some circles, it's breaking apart thanks to the internet.  More and more artists can thrive by creating their own CDs/downloads and even music videos without crawling to the big corporate companies.  They may have less promotion compared to those we hear on the current Top 40, but at least they have more control.  I remember hearing a music producer on the radio a few months back who said he and other producers are struggling to find work these days. 

 

 

I grew up in the 60's/70's on suburban Long Island

 

 

Fellow Islander here!  Although, I grew up a generation later than you. 

 

 

Top 40 radio back then was all different kinds of genres, not segregated like today. O'Jays played side by side with Elton John, for instance.

 

 

 

I remember heavy segmentation of music beginning in the early 80s;  there were crossover hits, but many times there were songs and artists I couldn't hear because you had to tune in to completely different stations and never hear anything like it top 40 on the Rock/Pop charts. 

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Does anybody else feel like Cody Simpson is trying to rebrand himself from teen dream into a John Mayer a-like?

 

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GaT, I had to look this kid up as I have no idea who he is. His older videos show me a guy who is style with little substance. I do think he can play guitar well. So yeah, he def seems to be going for a Mayer vibe. But that's ok because he probably sensed that his teen-ish stuff had no staying power. Maybe this is the kind of stuff he likes to listen to.

 

He's older now and he seems morw suited to it. But I still think he is a bit too concerned with looks/style or what have you. LIke he doesn't know if he should ne Mayer, Hunter Hayes or Stevie Ray Vaughan (please, son , do not even try to be like SRV as you can not compete).

 

There is talent there.

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There is talent there.

That's what I think he's trying to prove now. The 2 videos I posted are for songs from his newest album, & they are completely different than the stuff he's done before. 

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