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S06.07: Bohemian Rap City

Adam using Maury's stamps seemed like a move that would have been deemed too immature for Adam during the first season 1.

At this point, I think I've heard Hayley Orrantia sing more than I've heard myself sing. AJ Michalka sounded pretty dreadful during Bohemian Rhapsody, and her duet with Troy Gentile went on about 40 minutes too long. 

Nothing about Ericka dropping out of college is working. Nothing at all.

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43 minutes ago, jmonique said:

Adam using Maury's stamps seemed like a move that would have been deemed too immature for Adam during the first season 1.

At this point, I think I've heard Hayley Orrantia sing more than I've heard myself sing. AJ Michalka sounded pretty dreadful during Bohemian Rhapsody, and her duet with Troy Gentile went on about 40 minutes too long. 

Nothing about Ericka dropping out of college is working. Nothing at all.

 From your description, I'm pretty sure I'll agree with you. Immature Adam & Erica singing, UGH! If Barry acts like a dipshit it will be a perfect waste of a half hour. I'll send you my heart when I'm done with this. If it's a great show I'll comment further but I'll probably FF most of it.

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I was more pissed off at Adam than Erica in this episode. Total dick move, Adam. That is your father's stamps. And I had to side with Beverly's friends. They were right. A 16 or 17 year old kid would be deemed too old for toys.  Video games, yes. But toys....kids outgrow that by the time they are 13. Adam was in the wrong the whole episode.

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Barry is the worst at this point. I know he’s always yelled a lot but it’s like all he does now. Nothing he does is funny either. He’s just a yelly jerk.

Adam is another jerk. How stupid can he be to use all those stamps. Another selfish jerk Goldberg.

Also Erica is an asshole every episode and somehow makes up for it the last 2 minutes. It’s always the same. Can she show some type of growth?

So basically all of the Goldberg children are total selfish dbags lol.

This show needs something because it’s so unfunny at this point.

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22 minutes ago, Robert Lynch said:

I was more pissed off at Adam than Erica in this episode. Total dick move, Adam. That is your father's stamps. And I had to side with Beverly's friends. They were right. A 16 or 17 year old kid would be deemed too old for toys.  Video games, yes. But toys....kids outgrow that by the time they are 13. Adam was in the wrong the whole episode.

 

I was prepared to be more annoyed with Erica because I knew from the previews it was yet another episode with her singing, but I was also more pissed off at Adam. I agree with jmonique that Adam using Maury's stamps would have felt too immature for Adam to do in Season 1, but him being toy obsessed at 16 just makes it seem, imo, that there's seriously wrong going on. I get collecting action figures and other collectible items, but I don't know any 16 year olds that would be into toys and play with them like Adam or want to win a Toys 'R Us shopping spree. I know that they always have the injured party forgive the other person or persons, but Adam got off way too easy.

The other story line wasn't so good either, but at least there were a few positives like the con man coming back again, and the Ricky Gold name moment. 

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3 hours ago, mortonsalt said:

I know that they always have the injured party forgive the other person or persons, but Adam got off way too easy.

I agree with you entirely, but Murray was stupid enough to give his collection to Adam to share with him.  If those stamps were that valuable to him, he shouldn't have entrusted them to Adam until he had shown he could appreciate them.  

I thought it was nice to hear someone else (Lainey) sing besides Erica.  I don't mind hearing a Big Tasty rap now and then, but it was out of place here.  Don't mess up Bohemian Rhapsody.

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As my husband was watching this, he rolled his eyes and said, "If these people hadn't been upper middle class in real life then the kids would've had to get jobs by now." 

When I was a teenager, I didn't know a single 16-year-old who played with toys like that and who would've made such a dick move. And I knew a lot of immature 16 year olds. 

The kids are unlikable jerks and I don't find a lot of what Adam does to be particularly creative. He's coming off as more than just coddled and emotionally stunted by his mother. He's starting to look like he might have some major problems. 

At this point I am just watching it for the 80s' references. 

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7 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

As my husband was watching this, he rolled his eyes and said, "If these people hadn't been upper middle class in real life then the kids would've had to get jobs by now." 

When I was a teenager, I didn't know a single 16-year-old who played with toys like that and who would've made such a dick move. And I knew a lot of immature 16 year olds. 

The kids are unlikable jerks and I don't find a lot of what Adam does to be particularly creative. He's coming off as more than just coddled and emotionally stunted by his mother. He's starting to look like he might have some major problems. 

At this point I am just watching it for the 80s' references. 

Yeah, I was really not playing much with toys like Adam by the age of 14. I was into video games more and I went back to collecting and reading comics. Plus, for those old Toys R Us shopping sprees. They started cut offs at age 14, especially in the late 80s when most kids who were winning wanted game systems and models more than say: GI Joe or Rock Lords, ect. Also, Rock Lords were in late 1984 early 1985 and was the end of the GoBot line. Him using those stamps, yes season 1 or at the worst season 2 Adam. 16  year old Adam? Murry would have killed him. 

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They really need to give Erica something else to do other than the singing thing.  That is not a viable long term storyline to just focus on her singing in one way or another every episode.  And yes the song with Lainey and Barry went on far too long.  I was wondering when it would finally stop.  I also agree that Erica's storylines should involve something other than her being awful and learning a lesson at the end every single time (of course she isn't actually learning anything because she reverts to being an idiot the very next episode to continue the cycle).

As for Adam I didn't mind that he still liked toys, but I did mind that he was acting like an idiot.  The stamp thing was just stupid and awful for a kid that is a relatively good kid and knows better.  

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3 hours ago, mamadrama said:

When I was a teenager, I didn't know a single 16-year-old who played with toys like that and who would've made such a dick move. And I knew a lot of immature 16 year olds. 

When I was 16 (1990) I abruptly went through a toy phase with my bestie.  In hindsight I think it was a moment of 'I don't wanna grow up and have to deal with life' kind of thing.   Shouldn't Adam be taking PSAT and SATs by now? I know I took the PSAT in either 9th or the beginning of 10th grade. That's prime smother time. 

2 hours ago, alexa said:

And yes the song with Lainey and Barry went on far too long.

For me it both went on too long and at the same time not long enough because that rap just kept getting weirder and weirder and I wondered where will it go next?  That was the only part that made me laugh.

I suppose Adam hadn't put a return address on those post cards because I would think most of those stamps wouldn't officially have enough postage to cover a postcard cost. According to Wikipedia the cost to mail a postcard was 14 or 15 cents in the 80s, but some of those stamps sounded very old and the face value couldn't have been that much.   I would think the postcards would eventually have been returned for insufficient postage. (Of course then they're postmarked which brings down the value)

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I continue to be worried about Troy Gentile, this is the first time in weeks he's had actual interaction with anyone. I enjoyed him in this episode and thought the rap was hilarious, but mostly because Barry reminds me of all the guys I grew up who ended up having a very unsuccessful rap group.  Were The Dropouts supposed to be at Lainey's house? Was it weird that there was a Star Wars poster on the wall where they were practicing? When did Adam get so self-absorbed? Honestly, the episode just seemed so implausible to me that I focused on this weird stuff. 

Or maybe because I'm binge watching the show, since I relatively recently discovered it, I'm just burned out? 

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I was so pissed at Adam for using Murray's stamps.  He's supposed to be a bright kid...any kid over 12 years old should know to NOT use a stamp collection for mailing something. 

I was FURIOUS when whatserface's roommate put that bumper sticker on the mail box.  I'm like "that's a federal offense right there lady".  and my husband said,  "I think you're over this show now, aren't you".  YES YES  a million times YES>

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4 hours ago, joanne3482 said:

When I was 16 (1990) I abruptly went through a toy phase with my bestie.  In hindsight I think it was a moment of 'I don't wanna grow up and have to deal with life' kind of thing.   Shouldn't Adam be taking PSAT and SATs by now? I know I took the PSAT in either 9th or the beginning of 10th grade. That's prime smother time. 

 

I kind of did that as well. I got my Barbies back out and brushed their hair, organized their clothes, etc. And at that age I still collected some of my favorite things, like My Little Ponys and Smurf figurines, but they were more to display. I was no longer having Ken and Barbie playing Gulliver's Travels with them. Adam appears to actively PLAY with his toys in the same manner in which my 11 year old son does. I think that's odd. I do think that part of that is the show's way of kind of having a "loose" timeline with the years, though. I think their idea was to not really focus in on one particular time so that it all kind of runs together. While that works okay(for the most part) with the jumping around in the 80's, it doesn't work so well for the characters' development. 

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I can’t get over the random Sucklord cameo. I wonder if there is a lot of overlap between The Goldberg’s and Work of Art?

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With Adam's girlfriend being older than him (is she 17? 18? I can't remember), I have a hard time believing that she'd still be interested in a guy who acts so immature, not to mention the jerkiness. He literally acts like a kid who is much younger than he's meant to be. The relationship with Jackie is just odd. Of course, Lainey and Barry are a little odd but I kind of like them together. She tones him down and he lightens her up. 

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7 hours ago, alexa said:

Erica's storylines should involve something other than her being awful  a moron and learning a lesson at the end every single time (of course she isn't actually learning anything because she reverts to being an idiot a moron the very next episode to continue the cycle).

As for Adam I didn't mind that he still liked toys, but I did mind that he was acting like an idiot a moron. 

In honor of Murray, I fixed that for you :)

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11 hours ago, mamadrama said:

When I was a teenager, I didn't know a single 16-year-old who played with toys like that and who would've made such a dick move. And I knew a lot of immature 16 year olds. 

I'm really hoping that they made that "Adam steals dads stamps" storyline up for the show, and that it wasn't taken from real life.

As for the toys, yeah he does seem to be kind of old to be playing with them.  But to be fair, he seems to using them mainly in his experiments with making films, which is his true interest.  I have to admit I've bought a few toys as an adult, mainly for collection purposes, I didn't play with them.  Shoot, I'd still like to have a mint set of Zeroids or a fully intact and functioning Marx Big Loo (that I had when I was three) - I'd be rich if I decided to sell them, but I do believe I would keep them. 

Where do you draw the line on what's appropriate "play" anyway?  A lot of older guys run model railroads, pretty much for the same reason Murray collected stamps - because they remind them of their childhood.  Toy trains used to be a very common Christmas gift for a certain generation.  

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4 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

 

I was FURIOUS when whatserface's roommate put that bumper sticker on the mail box. 

I couldn't get over how many mailboxes there were. And around here,  if putting a sticker on a mailbox (assuming you could find one) was a federal offense, the prisons would be full!

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I feel like part of the problem with Adam's immaturity might be the fact that by the time the real Adam Goldberg was in high school, it was the 90s.  Thus, they can't use any stories from his actual time in high school to inspire plotlines because they wouldn't fit in the 80s setting of the show, so they just keep recycling stuff from his later elementary/middle school days.

I'm still fond of this show but it's really just treading water at this point.  

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The puzzled “it’s a book of postage” made me laugh though.

Also Jeff’s face when Barry was rapping was priceless.

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5 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I was FURIOUS when whatserface's roommate put that bumper sticker on the mail box.  I'm like "that's a federal offense right there lady". 

The kids really do all act terribly entitled, don't they?  And it's really not just the kids.  Look at that episode from last season when they all ate at the restaurant (easily the best episode IMO).  I've never seen anyone act like such a collection of horses' behinds.  And it was clear they all felt entitled to act that way just for walking in the door.

 

29 minutes ago, Snapdragon said:

I'm still fond of this show but it's really just treading water at this point.  

I like this show, but it's always been in the middle ground of sitcoms for me.  Top level would be like Big Bang Theory and The Middle (no longer on unfortunately), middle level would be like The Goldbergs and Fresh off the Boat.  Lower level I won't bother to watch.  Some are supposed to be great but I can't get into (Modern Family).

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The whole stamp thing was silly and unrealistic, first if the stamps are old they are likely to have been cancelled and if they were not cancelled they would have been of low  face value.

First class postage in 1965 for example was 5 cents and 20 cents in 1985 so he would have needed 4  1960's uncanceled  stamps to mail a single letter. Also many of the stamps were likely  foreign stamps since a Snoopy and Rock Hudson stamp  were mentioned and many third world countries use to print these for sale in US.

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1 hour ago, jww said:

The whole stamp thing was silly and unrealistic, first if the stamps are old they are likely to have been cancelled and if they were not cancelled they would have been of low  face value.

First class postage in 1965 for example was 5 cents and 20 cents in 1985 so he would have needed 4  1960's uncanceled  stamps to mail a single letter. Also many of the stamps were likely  foreign stamps since a Snoopy and Rock Hudson stamp  were mentioned and many third world countries use to print these for sale in US.

That's what made it even dumber. I mean, those stamps wouldn't have mailed out one letter, not to mention 600. That is not only suspension of belief, but even Adam knows better when he says how much he have to pay for stamps to get just 3 letters out. So, the show make it really stupid right there when the character even admitted the price of postage. Murry's stamp collection at the best would have gotten 20 letters mailed out. Not 600.

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4 hours ago, jww said:

The whole stamp thing was silly and unrealistic, first if the stamps are old they are likely to have been cancelled and if they were not cancelled they would have been of low  face value.

You are completely correct in your criticism, hopefully this means the real Adam didn't do such a heinous thing.

But to play devil's advocate, Murray did say he worked at the post office, so maybe he got them new there instead of getting cancelled ones.

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Adam won the award for "biggest jerk" this week. I cant believe he used his dads stamp collection to send off for a stupid contest! His toy obsession really is getting a little weird, as Adam is an older teen at this point. Its fine that he wants to collect toys and make his films with them, but obsessing with the Toys R Us stuff just seems weird at this point, especially as it lead to throwing out his dads collection.

If I never hear Erica sing again, I would be fine with that. 

I did laugh at Adams growing horror at just how bad this was. "Oh no, this was a beloved childhood memory!"  

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13 hours ago, rmontro said:

 

As for the toys, yeah he does seem to be kind of old to be playing with them.  But to be fair, he seems to using them mainly in his experiments with making films, which is his true interest.

I was thinking about exactly this last night when I couldn't fall asleep. That part at the end of the show where they show the home movies seemed be the recording Show Adam was doing during that scene with the Goldberg Girls in the kitchen. Which is kind of cool (that we saw that he was doing something but not what it was and then it turned out to be a real Adam F. Goldberg reenactment). 

I feel like when something really strange actually happened, the narration and sometimes characters stress THIS REALLY HAPPENED. They didn't do that with the stamp storyline shitshow so I'm guessing it was made up (hopefully by an intern and not an actual comedy writer).

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They really missed the boat with stamp collecting as in the mid/late 80's baseball card collecting was the hot craze.  Cards were consider a wise investment appreciating faster than stocks or gold.     Both adults and teenage boys were avid collectors so it would have been an interest Adam could share with his classmates and father. I  do kinda of remember an episode were Adam destroyed Barry's card collection as revenge for Barry damaging his toys.  But,  then the craze died in the 90s and today cards(other than a few rookie cards) from the 80s which were overproduced to meet the demand are worthless and often are destined for the recycling bin.

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20 minutes ago, jww said:

They really missed the boat with stamp collecting as in the mid/late 80's baseball card collecting was the hot craze.  Cards were consider a wise investment appreciating faster than stocks or gold.

They didn’t miss the boat because Adam was telling the story of his father and his father collected stamps not baseball cards.

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I just couldn't with Erica and Lainey arguing over who the Freddie Mercury of their shitty little band was. Newsflash, morons! Neither of you is fit to be the Freddie of Freddie and the Dreamers, let alone the Freddie Mercury. It really didn't help that, when singing Bohemian Rhapody, Lainey kept making a face like she was on the crapper the morning after eating some especially spicy enchiladas. 

Of course I'd gladly declare either of them the next Freddie Mercury if it meant the end of Big Tasty. How dare he sully Bohemian Rhapsody with his weak ass rhymes?!

But Adam is still the worst. Although as infuriating as his using Murray's stamp collection as postage was, I can't say I'm surprised. He did something similar a few seasons ago when he destroyed Barry's baseball card collection. Although, in fairness, that was in retaliation to some jerkass thing Barry did. But I still find it unbelievable that Barry didn;t give him the thrashing of a lifetime over it. They should have been finding pieces of nerd all over Jenkintown for months. 

And now this business with Murray's stamps? I really don't know how the little moron has made it to 16.

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I feel like the real Adam paid a zillion dollars for the rights to Bohemian and he was going to get his money’s worth by playing it what felt like eleventy-seven times.

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6 hours ago, reggiejax said:

I just couldn't with Erica and Lainey arguing over who the Freddie Mercury of their shitty little band was. Newsflash, morons! Neither of you is fit to be the Freddie of Freddie and the Dreamers, let alone the Freddie Mercury. It really didn't help that, when singing Bohemian Rhapody, Lainey kept making a face like she was on the crapper the morning after eating some especially spicy enchiladas. 

Of course I'd gladly declare either of them the next Freddie Mercury if it meant the end of Big Tasty. How dare he sully Bohemian Rhapsody with his weak ass rhymes?!

But Adam is still the worst. Although as infuriating as his using Murray's stamp collection as postage was, I can't say I'm surprised. He did something similar a few seasons ago when he destroyed Barry's baseball card collection. Although, in fairness, that was in retaliation to some jerkass thing Barry did. But I still find it unbelievable that Barry didn;t give him the thrashing of a lifetime over it. They should have been finding pieces of nerd all over Jenkintown for months. 

And now this business with Murray's stamps? I really don't know how the little moron has made it to 16.

 

Even Beverly's friends had every right to be concerned about Adam. I mean, toys at age 16? Sounds strange. I can't blame them for being uncomfortable. I know everything is a lesson in this series, but that was one lesson that should put the blame solely on Adam only. No one else. He should not have gotten off easily.

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3 hours ago, mojoween said:

I feel like the real Adam paid a zillion dollars for the rights to Bohemian and he was going to get his money’s worth by playing it what felt like eleventy-seven times.

Maybe he got it cheap because it could be considered publicity for the Bohemian Rhapsody movie that's out right now.  The timing of the airing of this episode couldn't be a coincidence.

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32 minutes ago, rmontro said:

Maybe he got it cheap because it could be considered publicity for the Bohemian Rhapsody movie that's out right now.  The timing of the airing of this episode couldn't be a coincidence.

The timing is no coincidence, especially when you factor in the fact that Bohemian Rhapsody (the movie) was produced by Fox, which is soon to be the property of Disney (which owns ABC).

Though I don't think either Fox or Disney would control the licensing costs of Queen's music. That would be whoever owns the rights, which I do believe are owned by the band. 

On the other hand, I get the feeling using Queen's music isn't cost prohibitive. Their music is quite ubiquitous in films, tv and advertising. They are certainly not like Led Zepplin, who rarely allow their music to be licensed, and demand a pretty penny when they do. 

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10 hours ago, reggiejax said:

On the other hand, I get the feeling using Queen's music isn't cost prohibitive. Their music is quite ubiquitous in films, tv and advertising. They are certainly not like Led Zepplin, who rarely allow their music to be licensed, and demand a pretty penny when they do. 

Very true, Led Zepplin is very expensive to use. There is a brief moment in Clerks I where it is used and Kevin Smith went on record of saying how much the music was what really maxed out everyone's credit cards and budget for the original Clerks movie. Even saying: "I can't believe just 1 minute of Led Zepplin music killed two cards!" 

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On 11/9/2018 at 10:04 PM, reggiejax said:

Though I don't think either Fox or Disney would control the licensing costs of Queen's music. That would be whoever owns the rights, which I do believe are owned by the band. 

On the other hand, I get the feeling using Queen's music isn't cost prohibitive. Their music is quite ubiquitous in films, tv and advertising. They are certainly not like Led Zepplin, who rarely allow their music to be licensed, and demand a pretty penny when they do. 

They could probably write off the use of the song as being part of the advertising budget though.  I'm not sure how licensing works, but maybe when they bought the rights to use it in the film they also bought the rights to use it in advertising. 

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On 11/9/2018 at 7:54 PM, Robert Lynch said:

Even Beverly's friends had every right to be concerned about Adam. I mean, toys at age 16? Sounds strange. I can't blame them for being uncomfortable. I know everything is a lesson in this series, but that was one lesson that should put the blame solely on Adam only. No one else. He should not have gotten off easily.

I don't think playing with toys at age 16 is all that weird...although I went to a nerd college filled with people with much stranger habits than that. Who's to say that playing with toys is any less immature than an adult that has stuffed animals or plays video games? At 30 years old, I still have and occasionally play with legos. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

Anyway, the stamp collection was a jerk thing to do but I'm sure it was just made up for the show. Murray's reaction was priceless when he tried to break stretch Armstrong or the wall crawling things. "You're just playing with those as intended."

I'm also tired of Erica singing in every episode. I much prefer the days of corny music videos by Big Tasty and Adam, like the New Kids shot by shot video. Bohemian rhapsody not so much because I really love that song and Queen...but I did laugh at the first few lines. 

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