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S02.E06: Trust a Try

On 9/12/2018 at 4:14 PM, Gobi said:

Not sure how recent, but Eczema posted pictures on Colombia Cupid that were pre-nose job and Ricketts knew or suspected that the nose job was after he sent her money.

Eczema and Rickets! LOL, you gave me an asthma attack!

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On 9/13/2018 at 9:40 AM, charmed1 said:

For every season of this show, I do a wife swap in my head. I hadn’t considered Darcey and Michael, but I like it. I’m shipping.

Now for the others: Angela and Ricky. They’re both looking for people to bang on the first night. Why not each other?

Hazel and Jesse. She wants to go to another country so badly, there ya go. He can take her back home where they can both be equally repulsed by each other.

Rachel and Tarik. What did DeNiro say in Heat? “Don't get attached to anything you aren’t willing to walk out on in 30 seconds if you feel the heat around the corner.” That can be modified for these two by switching out the word “anything” for daughters and “heat” for international genitalia, and you’ve got a perfect match.

That leaves Karine, Pole and Jon. If not lovers, I actually think Pole and Jon could become the best of two freakishly weird friends. “The Adventures of Pyro and Sir Fisticuffs McTrashman: Before the Serial Killing Days.” Karine will have to just go back to Brazil with the home version of our game. She’s better off anyway.

you.are.killing.me.

14 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Eric, You can stop digging now; that hole you're in is nearing China! 😄

Like, yeah.

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9 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t think Tariq is bad looking, (fashion not with standing) but the narrower shoulders and baby face make him look chubbier (and also younger so there’s that). 

OMGoodness. He looks just stupid to me. There's nothing attractive about him. You can always buy better clothes. You can't fix goofy-looking.

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5 hours ago, Lily247 said:

I agree. I also would like to add that despite the common belief that dating is easier for men - from what I've heard from various men, it looks like women will always have an easier time finding men to date/sleep with/relationship with than the other way around. I dont know why. 

 

5 hours ago, Mainer said:

I totally agree. Woman definitely have an easier time, if a girl goes out to a bar she’s only going home alone if she chooses too. There is some truth to the saying the power of the pussy... not to sound trashy but a guy will not turn down a woman 90 percent of the time

In a heteronormative frame work a woman is always going to have more options for casual encounters (casual sex or recreational companionship), but there are more social and biological consequences for women if those encounters go SOUTH. 

As such women tend to be more cautious as the stakes get higher, and they get older. Also women are not socialized to have their emotional needs met primarily through romantic and sexual relationships, women (on average) tend to have more options for emotional intimacy than a similarly situated man. 

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2 hours ago, aliya said:

OMGoodness. He looks just stupid to me. There's nothing attractive about him. You can always buy better clothes. You can't fix goofy-looking.

HA HA HA HA HA

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On 9/11/2018 at 6:57 PM, Mainer said:

Narcissism 101... who knows right, boy he really proved something leaving for the WHOLE night just to come back the next morning... he’s real tuff!! The only thing he did was lighten his wallet about a 100 bucks for a room, to me that’s an expensive tantrum😂 he’s a nitwit... actually halfwit🙄

Do we know that he was gone the whole night, seemed like he stormed off only to return an hour later, maybe its editing or maybe he didnt have the cash for The Courtyard

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2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

n a heteronormative frame work a woman is always going to have more options for casual encounters (casual sex or recreational companionship), but there are more social and biological consequences for women if those encounters go SOUTH. 

As such women tend to be more cautious as the stakes get higher, and they get older. Also women are not socialized to have their emotional needs met primarily through romantic and sexual relationships, women (on average) tend to have more options for emotional intimacy than a similarly situated man. 

I totally agree, I was just stating that the power is there. Woman definitely have the upper hand. 

40 minutes ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

Do we know that he was gone the whole night, seemed like he stormed off only to return an hour later, maybe its editing or maybe he didnt have the cash for The Courtyard

I thought it was morning time when he came back but true could be some editing 

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19 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

 

In a heteronormative frame work a woman is always going to have more options for casual encounters (casual sex or recreational companionship), but there are more social and biological consequences for women if those encounters go SOUTH. 

As such women tend to be more cautious as the stakes get higher, and they get older. Also women are not socialized to have their emotional needs met primarily through romantic and sexual relationships, women (on average) tend to have more options for emotional intimacy than a similarly situated man. 

All true. 

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On 9/13/2018 at 11:41 PM, LennieBriscoe said:

Eric, You can stop digging now; that hole you're in is nearing China! 😄

The storylines with Karine and Hazel are getting more uncomfortable as they unfold. These women are portrayed as destitute and desperate, not portrayed as in love, intelligent, assertive, or even adult.   

With Hazel, yes, and she is not likeable. She seems to believe that her mere presence is deserving enough to be fully taken care of. What she doesnt seem to get is that if she wants to live this life of comfort, she should really offer some sort of affection to Tarik - not necessarily sexual, but to at least put up a FRONT that she is into him and that he is the best thing since sliced bread for who he is and not his financial capabilities to take her to the US. After all, this is definitely not about love from either party, so at least make the trade off more equal. What will he think when he watches the show and see that she only cares about her self-betterment ? At least Nicki from the Phillipines (who was also more attractive) acted like she was really into Mark, that they had a great sex life, etc (I know I'm making some of u barf). 

Karines situation is a little different. She is not portrayed as destitute. Remote, yes, but the poverty of her family is not highlighted at all. She really does seem to like Paul for whatever reason, she even mentioned that she likes light skinned and light-haired men, she comes from a close, loving family. 

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On 9/13/2018 at 11:41 PM, LennieBriscoe said:

Eric, You can stop digging now; that hole you're in is nearing China! 😄

 

If you get to China, maybe you can find a 90 Day Fiance there!

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4 hours ago, Lily247 said:

With Hazel, yes, and she is not likeable. She seems to believe that her mere presence is deserving enough to be fully taken care of. What she doesnt seem to get is that if she wants to live this life of comfort, she should really offer some sort of affection to Tarik - not necessarily sexual, but to at least put up a FRONT that she is into him and that he is the best thing since sliced bread for who he is and not his financial capabilities to take her to the US. After all, this is definitely not about love from either party, so at least make the trade off more equal. What will he think when he watches the show and see that she only cares about her self-betterment ? At least Nicki from the Phillipines (who was also more attractive) acted like she was really into Mark, that they had a great sex life, etc (I know I'm making some of u barf). 

Karines situation is a little different. She is not portrayed as destitute. Remote, yes, but the poverty of her family is not highlighted at all. She really does seem to like Paul for whatever reason, she even mentioned that she likes light skinned and light-haired men, she comes from a close, loving family. 

Wait a minute.  It would be better if Hazel pretended to love or even like Tarquin?  And so far he's given her every reason to believe that he's ready to take care of her just for being her.  Maybe I'm missing some subtlety here, but I don't see doubts on Torgo's part.  Why on earth would that wily waif want to change a winning policy?  At least she's retaining some self-respect, which is more than I can say for Tardis.

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5 hours ago, Mothra said:

Wait a minute.  It would be better if Hazel pretended to love or even like Tarquin?  And so far he's given her every reason to believe that he's ready to take care of her just for being her.  Maybe I'm missing some subtlety here, but I don't see doubts on Torgo's part.  Why on earth would that wily waif want to change a winning policy?  At least she's retaining some self-respect, which is more than I can say for Tardis.

Act like you are in love and love as well as affliction has a better chance of being reciprocated.  Little different than if the parents arranged a couple for marraige and the kids had to make the best of the situation..

However what American TV viewers what to see would be a culturally unacceptable public display of affection for Hazel.  Nikki and Mark being different in that Nikki is the legal wife, as well as being in America and not Manila with a child already and what looks like fundamentalist family

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On 9/14/2018 at 10:00 AM, Mainer said:

I totally agree. Woman definitely have an easier time, if a girl goes out to a bar she’s only going home alone if she chooses too. There is some truth to the saying the power of the pussy... not to sound trashy but a guy will not turn down a woman 90 percent of the time

Women have an easier time getting laid and maybe getting dates/drinks, but finding a high-quality partner? Ehhh...hasn't been my experience. In fact, at the ripe old age of 38, I found men to be such damaged goods I threw my hands up and finally came out of the closet!*
 

*I'm kidding, of course; there are plenty of fantastic men out there of all ages, just like there are amazing women out there of all ages. If you think of older women as "damaged goods," I would suggest you do a little soul-searching to find out why you think that way about women, or any people at all. Why do you think of women as "goods" at all, even?

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9 hours ago, monagatuna said:

Women have an easier time getting laid and maybe getting dates/drinks, but finding a high-quality partner? Ehhh...hasn't been my experience. In fact, at the ripe old age of 38, I found men to be such damaged goods I threw my hands up and finally came out of the closet!*
 

*I'm kidding, of course; there are plenty of fantastic men out there of all ages, just like there are amazing women out there of all ages. If you think of older women as "damaged goods," I would suggest you do a little soul-searching to find out why you think that way about women, or any people at all. Why do you think of women as "goods" at all, even?

I don’t think of woman as “goods” so to speak I just think we have more power then men, I’ve been married 11 years I’m not out on the market. But I’ve been out with my friends and cousins and the men are thirsty and will hit on anything that’s female. It’s not that I want that or am looking for that I just recognize the power is there... maybe it would be hard to turn that into a relationship but I’ve never in the past had a problem with that, if your not desperate and your a strong woman, then men are attracted to that. To me it’s all personality and how you carry yourself, I’ve had  woman friends that throw themselves at men and they have a really hard time getting into a relationship but if you have a little self respect and don’t give it up the first night you hang out with them it’s pretty easy. I had mentioned this book before and it fits so true. If you chase anything in life it will run man or woman. I call it the bitch book. It’s called “why men love bitches” it’s a great book. Either way I’m happy where I’m at in life I was just stating that I feel the woman has the power here. It’s not that I think less of men I just kinda think it’s a known fact. 😁

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1 hour ago, Mainer said:

I don’t think of woman as “goods” so to speak I just think we have more power then men, I’ve been married 11 years I’m not out on the market. But I’ve been out with my friends and cousins and the men are thirsty and will hit on anything that’s female. It’s not that I want that or am looking for that I just recognize the power is there... maybe it would be hard to turn that into a relationship but I’ve never in the past had a problem with that, if your not desperate and your a strong woman, then men are attracted to that. To me it’s all personality and how you carry yourself, I’ve had  woman friends that throw themselves at men and they have a really hard time getting into a relationship but if you have a little self respect and don’t give it up the first night you hang out with them it’s pretty easy. I had mentioned this book before and it fits so true. If you chase anything in life it will run man or woman. I call it the bitch book. It’s called “why men love bitches” it’s a great book. Either way I’m happy where I’m at in life I was just stating that I feel the woman has the power here. It’s not that I think less of men I just kinda think it’s a known fact. 😁

I read that book. Life changing!

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17 hours ago, Mothra said:

Wait a minute.  It would be better if Hazel pretended to love or even like Tarquin?  And so far he's given her every reason to believe that he's ready to take care of her just for being her.  Maybe I'm missing some subtlety here, but I don't see doubts on Torgo's part.  Why on earth would that wily waif want to change a winning policy?  At least she's retaining some self-respect, which is more than I can say for Tardis.

Yes, it would be. Shes got a pretty stank attitude and hes not gonna love it too long. At least to give some sort of affection and see if things can grow. 

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13 hours ago, Raja said:

Act like you are in love and love as well as affliction has a better chance of being reciprocated.  Little different than if the parents arranged a couple for marraige and the kids had to make the best of the situation..

However what American TV viewers what to see would be a culturally unacceptable public display of affection for Hazel.  Nikki and Mark being different in that Nikki is the legal wife, as well as being in America and not Manila with a child already and what looks like fundamentalist family

I still don't see why Hazel should have to act like she is in love, when Torgo already behaves like he loves her--and I am counting as "love" his desire to bang her--and says he loves her.  The only time I've seen her displaying any kind of affection toward him was when she wanted to make sure he wasn't mad at her.  That served her purpose of making sure she hadn't blown the deal by getting upset and running off.  Mission accomplished, so why bother to pretend any more  I'm sure Tardis would like it if she would act as if she's in love with him, but I still give her props for maintaining self-respect.

I disagree that seeing affection between Torgo and Hazel would be culturally unacceptable for American audiences, if I understand you aright.  People of different ethnicities are seen together in love relationships all the time here; in fact, African-American/Asian is a combo I think wouldn't raise an eyebrow anywhere in the US.  There are fundies in the US, too--where I come from, we handle snakes and drink poison to demonstrate our faith in god--and believe me, out-of-wedlock children are not the horrible stigma one would expect.  In fact, among fundamentalists, the more you sin the greater your redemption.  Hazel's parents were probably ashamed of her unwed motherhood, but as long as she has expressed remorse for her sin, that should be OK theologically.

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1 hour ago, Lily247 said:

Yes, it would be. Shes got a pretty stank attitude and hes not gonna love it too long. At least to give some sort of affection and see if things can grow. 

The fact is, though, that he's fallen in love with her (accepting his definition of "love") as she is.  Her aim is to get to the US and have a better life.  If he is willing to take her as she is, why would she want to complicate matters by adding a layer of pretense?  All she has to do is restrain herself around Mongo, and she'll be fine.  If she learns to love him, that's great, but even an arranged marriage wouldn't require pretending to love someone you've just met.  Even people who marry when they're madly in love/lust learn more about each other after they've been married a while, things that either deepen affection or lead to divorce.

Do you think he really loves her?  I don't.

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On 9/12/2018 at 2:21 PM, gonecrackers said:

Did Ricky really send Ximena enough money to even truly help with the cost of a nose job? And even if she did use it for that, whatever. He chose to send these women money - women he doesn't even know from another country when he has children to support - & he's not even divorced yet. They can do what they want with it & if he expects full accountability in these situations he should just spend it on his daughters instead. What racket is he running that they have to account for every dollar he sends to make sure it's going to food & housing?  He was lusting over them for months & if he was that into Melissa he certainly isn't against plastic surgery  - maybe he just doesn't want to pay for it himself. He's a total douche bag.

I could see Ricky being upset if she said she was using the money for some type of hardship in her life, and then he found out it was for a nose job.  Not sure that that's what occurred.

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On 9/12/2018 at 6:59 PM, Mothra said:

Yeah, but how is using the money to visit her sister and buy stuff for her nephews any more urgent than getting her nose fixed?  I think what's stupid is that he is apparently OK with her using the money for anything *but* a nose job--I guess he thought Melissa's tits were born that way.  If I were to tell a guy I was in financial straits, I wouldn't be talking about wanting to visit my sister and take presents for her sons.  I'd be talking about having trouble paying the rent or a car payment.

Besides that, when you give someone a gift, you don't get to dictate how the gift is used.  That's why it's called a gift.  If he didn't want her to spend money on her nose, he shouldn't have given her money.  I think you could make the case that Ricky benefited from the nose job (his girlfriend is more beautiful) and did not benefit from the visit to her sister, so what's he bitching about?

What if they tell you they need $$ for a specific purpose, and you believe that the money you give them is going to that purpose?

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18 minutes ago, LocalGovt said:

I could see Ricky being upset if she said she was using the money for some type of hardship in her life, and then he found out it was for a nose job.  Not sure that that's what occurred.

I didn't get the sense that she told him she needed money for something specific. Maybe she lamented not having certain things or a need, so he ASSumed whatever he sent was being used that way.

Either way he was a stupid, selfish, fucking moron for sending stranger women in another country money, with no way of knowing their situations -for sure - & with having daughters to support. They'll use it for what they want so if he doesn't like it he should stop thinking with his dick & stop sending strangers money.

Regardless Mr. "In Love With" Plastic Boob Lady Melissa should have absolutely no problems with plastic surgery.  He just wants it done prior to meeting, so not with his money.  What a prick.

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24 minutes ago, Mothra said:

The fact is, though, that he's fallen in love with her (accepting his definition of "love") as she is.  Her aim is to get to the US and have a better life.  If he is willing to take her as she is, why would she want to complicate matters by adding a layer of pretense?  All she has to do is restrain herself around Mongo, and she'll be fine.  If she learns to love him, that's great, but even an arranged marriage wouldn't require pretending to love someone you've just met.  Even people who marry when they're madly in love/lust learn more about each other after they've been married a while, things that either deepen affection or lead to divorce.

Do you think he really loves her?  I don't.

No he doesn't love her. Like alot of the Americans on this show he wants to own her.   

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1 hour ago, LocalGovt said:

What if they tell you they need $$ for a specific purpose, and you believe that the money you give them is going to that purpose?

Makes no difference, except that now you know the recipient is a liar.  But if you give someone a gift, it's theirs, no longer yours.  If you *loan* someone money for a specific purpose and they use it for something else, that's different.  Then it's still your money, and you should ask for it back.  But a gift?  Nah--that's theirs.

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Hi guys, long-time reader first-time poster here. Wanted to share a video I put together with highlights from the season so far. 

As for the discussion about Ricky spending money on Ximena, I think she’s at least doing a good job of pretending to be interested in him (if she isn’t, I could see her being genuinely interested as well, hard to tell). I can see more of a connection between them, than say, Tarik & Hazel. 

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6 hours ago, Mothra said:

The fact is, though, that he's fallen in love with her (accepting his definition of "love") as she is.  Her aim is to get to the US and have a better life.  If he is willing to take her as she is, why would she want to complicate matters by adding a layer of pretense?  All she has to do is restrain herself around Mongo, and she'll be fine.  If she learns to love him, that's great, but even an arranged marriage wouldn't require pretending to love someone you've just met.  Even people who marry when they're madly in love/lust learn more about each other after they've been married a while, things that either deepen affection or lead to divorce.

Do you think he really loves her?  I don't.

I think he thinks he does. But he says he has doubts about her motives  and he doesn’t want to just be a meal ticket to the US for her.  

He isn’t all that annoyed with Dean, and he clearly stated that he didn’t know why Hazel would be upset about the questions about her ex, if it didn’t strike a nerve with her.

i don’t think  he will marry her  if she continues to refuse to sleep with him.

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3 minutes ago, iwasish said:

i don’t think  he will marry her  if she continues to refuse to sleep with him.

100% agree. That's going to be the point of contention between them.

She clearly likes him enough to accept him and make a life with him.

To me, it's all very reminiscent of Alla and Matt, which I had no problem with just like I have no problem with Hazel's intentions.

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5 hours ago, SevenCostanza said:

No he doesn't love her. Like alot of the Americans on this show he wants to own her.   

He says he does in order to justify that he wants to bang her. But he wants to believe that she truly loves him, he certainly doesn’t want to be a means to an end ..... yet he is insecure enough that he wants that sense of obligation from her, in case “love”’ isn’t enough, the gratitude and obligation for him rescuing her will tie her to him.

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To me the most unfortunate part of this whole shitshow is that Darcey didn't throw a pair of scissors at Jesse's head. That hair is a wreck.

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I seriously love catching up with the show on this forum, y’all got me hee-hawin’ louder than Angela over here! I’m loving the nicknames!

Sweet Baby Jesus, how many women is Ricky sending cash to? He needs to just shut the hell up, if he’s dumb enough to send money to random chicks online then why split hairs on how they’re spending it. If he’s so concerned about the misuse of his funds he needs to be worried about Melissa, I’m sure she’s one who’s spending his money on plastic surgery. Other Girl Who’s Name I Cant Spell had a pretty routine nasal surgery. Big flipping deal if her surgeon cleaned up her profile while he was at it. Melissa looks like a blow-up doll, is he stupid enough to think those boobies are real? Somebody paid for those things and I bet it wasn’t Melissa. On another note, if he proposes to #2 with a ring he bought for the woman whose name he accidentally called her, I will fly to the tell-all and personally help her kick his ass when she finds out.

Darcey and Jesse are ridiculous, spoiled babies. Why did he feel it necessary to keep mentioning that it was a Loubitan shoe he was “assaulted” with. Imagine how offended he’d have been if it’d  been a Payless BOGO special! Jackass.

Is it just me or is Angela’s hair getting green? And it’s so endearing to bray at your beloved about whether or not he’s “masterbatin’ to them  Instergram wimmin” in the town market square.

 I thought Jon’s proposal was really sweet. 

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On 9/10/2018 at 11:35 PM, JasonH said:

 

I seriously cannot believe how stupid Darcey is.   Just had to get that out (for the 40th time). sorry Jason couldn't delete your quote

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Who the heck is dressing Tarik. Does he not realize how stupid he appears? Black fishnet over a wifebeater? Ewww!!!!

On 9/12/2018 at 1:18 PM, MrFluffy said:

Ximena also seems a class act who knows what she's doing. If they both fulfill each other's needs, why not? She's intelligent and would probably make a good stepmother and kind wife. And kudos to Ricky for his Spanish skills.

I like her as well, and I was insulted by Ricky questioning a nose job. It's okay for Melissa to have a fake butt and breast and hair, but a nose job...? God forbid!

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On 9/12/2018 at 2:16 PM, sainte-chapelle said:

I agree the Nigerian dresses are so beautiful. I love them as well as the lovely a Japanese kimonos. That said I would feel that by wearing them, though I admire them, maybe offensive to some and considered cultural appropriation...it is a fine line. I doubt Angela has this foresight but just a thought.....

Good point. However with Angela, I think it would be perfectly okay if she dressed in the local garb since she's in that country. When in Rome...

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On ‎9‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 1:19 PM, Gobi said:

If you get to China, maybe you can find a 90 Day Fiance there!

Ahaha Good one.

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16 hours ago, iwasish said:

he has doubts about her motives

*He* has doubts about *her* motives?!  I think their "romance" is a transaction where each party is getting or hopes to get  exactly what s/he wants from the other.  I respect  the wily waif more because she is motivated by survival; Torgo just wants to get into her pants.  And if he's ready to sacrifice his daughter's interests, his brother's respect, what I anticipate will be the scorn of his friends, the burden of responsibility of her welfare for ten years, then he's welcome to it.  If she's deceiving him, it's because he wants to be deceived.  He wants to believe that she loves his chubby ass and his obnoxious family (what she's met of it).  He's delusional; she's hyper-realistic.

She wants a better life.  He wants to get laid.  Withholding sex is her only weapon at this point and if she loses it, he's not going to marry her.  She better keep her legs closed.

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On 9/16/2018 at 8:25 PM, Stacee said:

Good point. However with Angela, I think it would be perfectly okay if she dressed in the local garb since she's in that country. When in Rome...

Where I live, there is a large Indian population, and it's not unusual to see white women in sari when they're with their Indian partners. No one seems to get upset with it. I think as long as you're not using it as a fashion statement, are respectful, and are present in or part of the community, I don't think it's an issue. Naturally, that is up to the judgment of that community and I as a white woman am only speculating--and agreeing with you. Here, Michael explicitly asked her to wear Nigerian clothing, so I think we can assume he'd agree with us too.

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I was just on Paul’s Instagram page and he appears to be a different person there.  He seems to have an actual sense of humour re his Reynolds wrap suit and the photos of himself in Karines wedding dress.  Also they appear to still be together and happy.  There were efforts to hide her belly in photos but I don’t actually think she’s even pg.  There was a photo of himself with his Mum with a breast cancer placard and he said they would be marching together as a family in October.

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3 hours ago, endure said:

I was just on Paul’s Instagram page and he appears to be a different person there.  He seems to have an actual sense of humour re his Reynolds wrap suit and the photos of himself in Karines wedding dress.  Also they appear to still be together and happy.  There were efforts to hide her belly in photos but I don’t actually think she’s even pg.  There was a photo of himself with his Mum with a breast cancer placard and he said they would be marching together as a family in October.

I have to say they both look normal and happy in that hiding pg picture. He actually looks kind of cute and she looks tons better. 

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