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S10.E18: There's No Place Like Home

19 hours ago, AnnA said:

John had high end customers before he hooked up with Dorinda.    Not too long ago someone ???  Posted a link to an article about John here on the forum.   It might have been one run in the NY Times but I'm not sure.   Anyway it was a fascinating read about John and his business.    He doesn't need her to help his business.

Hopefully, whoever posted the link will see this and post it again.

It was me.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/31/style/guru-john-mahdessian-dry-cleaning-for-perfectionists-and-the-merely-finicky.html

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13 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I do understand what you are saying about crying wolf.  I just wasn't sure if that's what you meant.  And since I've only asked you what you meant by your comments, I'm not sure I understand why you seem bothered that someone asked for clarification on something you posted in a forum where we typically comment back and forth.  Wasn't asking you for a debate.  

Full moon? Lol lol ;)

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36 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

You are so right! He introduced her to a fabulous, glamorous life with glamorous people! This is not the world dorinda came from, I don't think her family was wealthy. I remember the episode with Dorinda and Carole and her husband's ashes in London. The meet up in the hotel with Dorinda's friends from that time with Richard, long gone by. They all seemed so sophisticated and elegant and lush. Even the lighting was beautiful and they all looked amazing and seemed almost fictional, elevated...I was heartbroken for her then. It seemed like a world she's not a part of anymore...now she's with john, scavenging for left-over couture in the back of a dry cleaners, probably a dress one of those London women would have left behind. It's straight-up Edith Wharton novel....no wonder she drinks. I think I would too. :(

 

Dorinda's first husband was not exactly chicken feed either.  He now lives in Greenwich, CT in a very expensive home.  He is a big deal investment banker, not prominent as was Medley but still able to offer the very good life.  I would imagine that many of the friends Dorinda met in London were from her time living there with Lynch.  He is Hannah's father.  He's remarried to a Sotheby's broker.   So Dorinda would be living rather well with either of her two hubbies.  Lots of big time players live in Greenwich.  

http://okhereisthesituation.com/2015/05/rhonyc-hannah-lynchs-father/

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4 minutes ago, weaver said:

Dorinda's first husband was not exactly chicken feed either.  He now lives in Greenwich, CT in a very expensive home.  He is a big deal investment banker, not prominent as was Medley but still able to offer the very good life.  I would imagine that many of the friends Dorinda met in London were from her time living there with Lynch.  He is Hannah's father.  He's remarried to a Sotheby's broker.   So Dorinda would be living rather well with each of her two hubbies.  Lots of big time players live in Greenwich.  

http://okhereisthesituation.com/2015/05/rhonyc-hannah-lynchs-father/

Got it! Didn't know all of her history. Thanks! It's obvious she's missing her old life. Her saying to Bethenny that this is not how she thought she would end up, or words to that effect, was so sad, so simple yet poignant. I'm beginning to get her.

I can imagine her waking up one morning and thinking, omg, I'm on a tv show where I get sloppy-drunk and fight with other women. It's almost like she used to move in the upper echelons of society, then found herself mud-wrestling at the strip club under the overpass...

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2 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Yes! I liked Jill first season and really detested her right after. I was a regular on the. 'I hate Jill zarin' web site, may Lynn RIP. I think the only housewife I'm consistently loyal to is Vanderpump-- so far. I'm not sure who to root for at reunion, I hope they all get a good ass-kicking for one thing or another, except maybe Tinsley The Butterfly, fluttering through life...she's the only one that's been pretty harmless...

my boss was a mess. We were all shocked that she wasn't doing her thang in her car or bathroom, we all said the same thing. I guess that's addiction for you, you lose all sense of how you appear to everyone around you, you think you are fooling everyone. She would fall asleep at her desk as well everyday. It was my only brush with drug use up close, thank goodness. I will say, she was the best boss I ever had because she was too wasted to micromanage me.

Me too!!  I loved how angry it made Jill.  

That is very sad about your boss, but I have to laugh about not being micromanaged - silver lining!  Did she end up getting help, or what happened?  I'm scared to ask.

I read that Dennis asked his maid to get him the narcan because he took a ton of pills the night before and woke up feeling crappy.  I wonder if it wasn't an overdose (usually people overdose when they take the pills), but maybe the amount of pills caused him to later have a heart attack.  I don't know if it is still an overdose if you don't actually die from the "over" "dose" of pills.  

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Finally caught up on the episode.  I had absolutely nothing to say about the last one, and my primary reaction to this one is that I like Ramona's shorter hair.  This cannot be a good sign. 

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On 2018-08-11 at 3:42 PM, bagger said:

Carol likes to be the one in control. She doesn’t want to be the one that “over reacted.” 

Yeah. She’s a disappointment. I used to like her and respect her a lot but not now. 

I read her book years ago, What Remains, and had similar questionable discomfort which I ignored as my being over sensitive. Since then, I’ve cared for my parents as they had cancer and both died after some years of decline. Carole’s book was a good insight and my initial instincts about her are now proven correct. She’s a selfish insecure nobody who uses other people to elevate herself.

I don’t believe she wrote her book either due to how she flipped out on Aviva. That reaction was not the mark of a war journalist;  that was a sign of a poser being exposed. I have the same opinion of her dear departed friend Carolyn B., wife of JK Jr. 

Seriously, read the book to see the real Carole. She resented and complained about her husband being sick and couldn’t handle taking care of him. I didn’t grasp it fully until I ended up as caregiver for people I loved. I was thinking about this when she remarked about Bethenny crying all the time. It recalled how she spoke of her husband and how she treated him as he was ill.

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It sounds like Carole had caregiver burnout, which is a real thing. And I'm fine with  Carole expressing it. The more people talk about it, the better prepared others will be recognize it in their lives and reach out to those individuals and give them relief. What kind of person complains about having to care for a dying loved one? A normal person. You can still love and care for someone and be depressed and upset that you're spending your time having to wipe their ass.

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50 minutes ago, Sunfield said:

Yeah. She’s a disappointment. I used to like her and respect her a lot but not now. 

I read her book years ago, What Remains, and had similar questionable discomfort which I ignored as my being over sensitive. Since then, I’ve cared for my parents as they had cancer and both died after some years of decline. Carole’s book was a good insight and my initial instincts about her are now proven correct. She’s a selfish insecure nobody who uses other people to elevate herself.

I don’t believe she wrote her book either due to how she flipped out on Aviva. That reaction was not the mark of a war journalist;  that was a sign of a poser being exposed. I have the same opinion of her dear departed friend Carolyn B., wife of JK Jr. 

Seriously, read the book to see the real Carole. She resented and complained about her husband being sick and couldn’t handle taking care of him. I didn’t grasp it fully until I ended up as caregiver for people I loved. I was thinking about this when she remarked about Bethenny crying all the time. It recalled how she spoke of her husband and how she treated him as he was ill.

Doesn't she talk about flirting with a married man and kissing him while Anthony is going through chemo? I believe I read that in one of the pages Amazon lets you preview. If Lu did that she would have been crucified by the Widows Radziwill and Medley

 

Also, someone in the reviews of the book mentioned that in the book that she locked up Daryl Hannah's cats in a laundry room because of her loyalty to Carolyn Bessette?

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6 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

Also, someone in the reviews of the book mentioned that in the book that she locked up Daryl Hannah's cats in a laundry room because of her loyalty to Carolyn Bessette?

Say WHAT?!?!? The Fucking Fuck!?!  

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1 hour ago, Sunfield said:

Yeah. She’s a disappointment. I used to like her and respect her a lot but not now. 

I read her book years ago, What Remains, and had similar questionable discomfort which I ignored as my being over sensitive. Since then, I’ve cared for my parents as they had cancer and both died after some years of decline. Carole’s book was a good insight and my initial instincts about her are now proven correct. She’s a selfish insecure nobody who uses other people to elevate herself.

I don’t believe she wrote her book either due to how she flipped out on Aviva. That reaction was not the mark of a war journalist;  that was a sign of a poser being exposed. I have the same opinion of her dear departed friend Carolyn B., wife of JK Jr. 

Seriously, read the book to see the real Carole. She resented and complained about her husband being sick and couldn’t handle taking care of him. I didn’t grasp it fully until I ended up as caregiver for people I loved. I was thinking about this when she remarked about Bethenny crying all the time. It recalled how she spoke of her husband and how she treated him as he was ill.

I still can't wrap my brain around this thought. How should one behave when they've been accused of not writing their own book? How should one react to being called a fraud, which is what Aviva was essentially saying about Carole?: "Now, now, Aviva. Let's not be rash. Can we sit calmly and talk about how you're calling me a fraud?" 

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44 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

Say WHAT?!?!? The Fucking Fuck!?!  

Found it, it was a response to another less than stellar review:

I found her lack of friends to be very odd, too. Carole's only friend is Carolyn, and she's her SECRET friend forever. Anthony has friends. He and John obviously are best friends, but even with Carole's aloof writing about Anthony, you get the sense that he has other true friends, including his aunt. Carole doesn't care to talk about them, though. Instead she prefers to talk about how much he goes to the gym. It is odd that Carole doesn't appear to have any other friends of her own (and she wouldn't know Carolyn but for Anthony). And it is even odder that Carole became completely infatuated with Carolyn after one encounter. She writes as though they had an instant deep bond, but then Carolyn immediately disappears from her life without a word after that first meeting, subsequently prompting Carole to trash the un-named Daryl Hannah. What kind of person gets SO attached to a woman she only met briefly once? And Carole is attached to her to the point she feels compelled to trash the woman John dates after her, who happens to be a woman John has dated for years. That is not normal behavior and not the behavior of someone who already has friends. Then when Carolyn re-emerges quite a bit later after she and John get back together, Carole instantly transforms them into best friends. I wonder what Carolyn's take on the relationship would be if she could speak for herself? From reading this book, it sounds like Carolyn was very devoted to Anthony, but that could have been as much out of devotion to John as it was due to friendship with Carole. Also, speaking of Daryl Hannah, what was up with Carole's locking her cats in the laundry room because (she claimed) of Anthony's allergies? I'm allergic to cats, too, but who locks other people's pets in the laundry room? And then she brags about it. Why wouldn't Carole just put them in John's room? It's like she was being purposefully petty and vindictive, no doubt in part because Daryl brought her own friends with her when she visited. The whole thing seems whacky and immature to me, and it makes you wonder how much of their "friendship" Carole built up in her mind just like she turned their first meeting into instant bonding for life.

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5 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

aryl Hannah, what was up with Carole's locking her cats in the laundry room because (she claimed) of Anthony's allergies? I'm allergic to cats, too, but who locks other people's pets in the laundry room? And then she brags about it. Why wouldn't Carole just put them in John's room? It's like she was being purposefully petty and vindictive, no doubt in part because Daryl brought her own friends with her when she visited

I’m on the WTF band wagon here.  This really puts Carole down a few notches in my book.  I don’t understand someone thinking they can manage someone else’s pets this way.  You ask John, you ask Daryl, you don’t do what you want.   So odd.

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On 8/11/2018 at 5:16 PM, KungFuBunny said:

I thought all Ramona said was he asked me out on a date...nothing more..not even that they actual ever went on a date.

True story: Back in my senior year of high school I was part of the internship program. I went with my supervisor to a meeting at a jeans company office. In the meeting was Fabio and his then manager Rhonda Gainer. She wanted to launch a print campaign called "Sign Of The Times" with Fabio being in most of the pics. I remember them shooting down the "budget" requested - I think they agreed to 1/4 of what she asked. During the meeting - I swear if she could have crawled under the table to lick him like a lollipop she would have audience or no audience, Fabio seemed very uncomfortable with her behavior. In the bathroom, I overheard some other people discussing Rhonda and how she is promising him the world and if she keeps trying to get him into bed he's either going to drop her as a manager or sue. Three months later he dropped her. It was so surreal for me as a high school student to see alleged "adults" behave this way.

They went court with her suing him I think for 6 million dollars. I thought he was a nice guy from what court testimony I did see (old Court TV days).  And then I really liked him when he told George Clooney he was going to beat the shit out of him for flipping the bird and calling women cows because George thought they were taking pix of him when they were really take pix of Fabio.

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17 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

They went court with her suing him I think for 6 million dollars. I thought he was a nice guy from what court testimony I did see (old Court TV days).  And then I really liked him when he told George Clooney he was going to beat the shit out of him for flipping the bird and calling women cows because George thought they were taking pix of him when they were really take pix of Fabio.

I think Rhonda lost the case - she didn't get anything

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10 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I think Rhonda lost the case - she didn't get anything

She won something but not what she wanted:

Celebrity hunk Fabio won a big victory in court yesterday, paying a pittance to settle a $6 million breach-of-contract lawsuit by his former manager. "Yesss!" exulted the blond-maned Italian, pumping a bronze fist in the air minutes after Manhattan Federal Magistrate Naomi Buchwald announced a settlement that vindicated him. Buchwald revealed that after a two-day trial televised by Court TV, Fabio had agreed to pay ex-manager Rhonda Gainer "some reasonable unreimbursed expenses" and an undisclosed sum that his lawyers called "minimal" and a "token amount." An unsmiling Gainer told reporters later she was "extremely disappointed" by the settlement, admitting it was nowhere near the big bucks she'd sought. Gainer claimed she "created" Fabio, dreaming up the idea of selling him as the face and pecs on the covers of pulp romance novels such as "Hearts Aflame" and "Warrior's Woman." During a brief trial in Manhattan Federal Court, she took the stand to say Fabio fired her and then turned her idea into fame and fortune. Fabio took the stand to say Gainer worked for him for seven months and did little to earn much of anything. Striding through the halls of court in his black cowboy boots and royal blue suit coat yesterday, Fabio was an imposing presence. After his legal triumph, he flashed the smile that launched a thousand wall calendars, then attacked his former manager as a money-grubbing gold digger. "This person, she promised me the moon and she couldn't deliver a pizza," he said, scoffing at Gainer's big plans to make him the next Arnold Schwarzenegger. "I said, 'Rhonda, Ahhnold is the best Ahhnold he can be. I want to be the best Fabio I can be.

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On 8/11/2018 at 1:10 PM, KungFuBunny said:

Young Natalie68

Run Natalie, Run!!!!

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OMG!  That is hilarious!!!!!  

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On 8/13/2018 at 1:11 PM, AnnA said:

John had high end customers before he hooked up with Dorinda.    Not too long ago someone ???  Posted a link to an article about John here on the forum.   It might have been one run in the NY Times but I'm not sure.   Anyway it was a fascinating read about John and his business.    He doesn't need her to help his business.

Hopefully, whoever posted the link will see this and post it again.

Madame Paulette has been famous for high end restoration/dry cleaning way before John inherited the business.

Met Gala display pieces are tken care of by Madame Paulette. Celebrities use the service for their award gowns.

John is infamous for claiming connections and dropping names.

http://okhereisthesituation.com/2015/05/dorinda-medleys-boyfriend-john-mahdessian-the-p-diddy-police-escort-scandal-167/

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On 8/12/2018 at 5:26 AM, Otherkate said:

He really does emanate some low energy skank, doesn't he? He rolls in there like a lost dustball that picked up some stray floor hairs along the way and manages just enough energy to lift that trophy and vocal fry some words out. If he really worked on that thing for four days, his parents should be concerned.

That said, after smoking a big joint and playing a half-hearted round of hacky sack, I totally would have happily slept with him in my 20s.

Man his speaking bugs the absolute shit out of me.  I watched his mouth move while speaking and its a really lazy roll and wondered if he practiced that in a mirror.  I got nothing against a big fat joint (come sit by me) but something tells me he would bogart that fucker.

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10 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

OMG!  That is hilarious!!!!!  

I had to find a GIF after reading the story you posted about getting scared by the 20 scary little fuckers

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8 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Yes! I liked Jill first season and really detested her right after. I was a regular on the. 'I hate Jill zarin' web site, may Lynn RIP. I think the only housewife I'm consistently loyal to is Vanderpump-- so far. I'm not sure who to root for at reunion, I hope they all get a good ass-kicking for one thing or another, except maybe Tinsley The Butterfly, fluttering through life...she's the only one that's been pretty harmless...

my boss was a mess. We were all shocked that she wasn't doing her thang in her car or bathroom, we all said the same thing. I guess that's addiction for you, you lose all sense of how you appear to everyone around you, you think you are fooling everyone. She would fall asleep at her desk as well everyday. It was my only brush with drug use up close, thank goodness. I will say, she was the best boss I ever had because she was too wasted to micromanage me.

<sidebar> me as well (joined right after she started it).  I keep being told on FB her bday is coming up

I flip flop on my HW fav's.  I have never strayed from liking B even though I don't like everything she says or does.  

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2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

It sounds like Carole had caregiver burnout, which is a real thing. And I'm fine with  Carole expressing it. The more people talk about it, the better prepared others will be recognize it in their lives and reach out to those individuals and give them relief. What kind of person complains about having to care for a dying loved one? A normal person. You can still love and care for someone and be depressed and upset that you're spending your time having to wipe their ass.

There is a reason for respite care...

2 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Say WHAT?!?!? The Fucking Fuck!?!  

Yeah, WHAT????

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26 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I had to find a GIF after reading the story you posted about getting scared by the 20 scary little fuckers

For that I am forever thankful!  It makes me laugh!

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I feel for Dorinda. I think her lashing out at Lu was totally projection for how she feels about herself. She is so afraid of being told she has a drinking problem that she assumes that is what Lu thinks of her. She then reacts angrily to the picture of Lu that is inside her own head.

I really can’t stand how she treats John though, it could not be more patronizing. “He’s grown so much in the past six years [since he’s known me]”. Good Lord! John must have some pretty low self esteem, because he seems to fall in line with this point of view. It’s not that I think John is a huge prize, it’s just that I don’t like one partner having so little respect for the other.

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Glad tomorrow is the finale.  I'm ready for this season to be over.  It's just been so dark- compare this trip to the one they had last year. Even with the Ramona/Bethenny conflict they eventually had a great time. This year the trip was all tears and diarrhea.  And all season long just bad things on- and off-screen.  

Bring on RH Dallas where Leanne is violent but still somehow less scary than Dorinda, and Brandi who jokes about poop but doesn't gleefully chuckle about leaving behind poop for the housekeeping staff to deal with.

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5 hours ago, Mozelle said:

I still can't wrap my brain around this thought. How should one behave when they've been accused of not writing their own book? How should one react to being called a fraud, which is what Aviva was essentially saying about Carole?: "Now, now, Aviva. Let's not be rash. Can we sit calmly and talk about how you're calling me a fraud?" 

Well, I tend to roll my eyes, laugh, walk away without responding, any variation or all of them. Sandra Bullock has a great line -she said people can say whatever they want as long as it’s not true. I felt Carol shouldn’t have given it much time but then she kind of went over the top off about it, responding in kind by telling Aviva’s hubby that Aviva is not a good person. I mean wtf? Very unprofessional and weird.

 

As for Darryl Hannah’s cats, I don’t remember BUT I remember Carol wasn’t doing any heavy caregiving - Anthony had friends and lots of private nursing and doctors. Carol, at best, had to witness it. Which... barely a year I think was he visibly and physically impaired ill enough for her to have to deal. And on one occasion she bailed on him at the hospital to go joy riding with Carolyn. It was terrible to read those parts. I know caregiver burnout, and Carol had not made nearly enough effort to meet that qualification. Ymmv of course. I’m out on this just wanted to say in light of her complaints about Bethenny, I see a pattern is all.

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I still can't wrap my brain around this thought. How should one behave when they've been accused of not writing their own book? How should one react to being called a fraud, which is what Aviva was essentially saying about Carole?

I would say, by treating such an accusation with all the regard and seriousness that it deserves. If it's completely without merit, you calmly note that and move on because your work will speak for itself. That makes me, a reader and occasional writer, see that while you're acknowledging the complaint, you don't agree and think it has no merit. If you throw a fit and freak out... That makes me wonder. 

True story, I love apocalyptic fiction. I read a book and left a review on Amazon where I gently noted that the book in question so strongly reminded me of a classic in the field that I felt it slipped from homage into tacky copying. (I didn't say that lightly either but the book end was a near copy of the original book)

The author *blasted me* for daring to suggest it crossed the lined and did a bitchy point for point attempt at refuting my points.

What I walked away with? 1. The author was an asshole - and to be fair, I can be an asshole but this guy was shitting in horror at every one and two star review, not just mine and 2. I struck a raw nerve and probably wasn't entirely wrong. 

Aviva, bitch she was, struck a raw nerve in Carole and Carole's reaction? Makes me wonder, where I didn't wonder before...

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I think it's really easy to suggest that someone be calm about accusations (accusations that made it to a million plus people) if you're not the person on the receiving end of those accusations. I've observed how sometimes folks here can get really tight if they feel that someone else is intimating something negative about what they've posted.

It's human nature to want to defend yourself--particularly if someone is making salacious claims about the work a person has put out--and it doesn't strike me as odd that Carole would defend herself against Aviva's accusations of ghostwriting. That's a big accusation to make about a writer, and it isn't one that should be taken lightly.

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It's human nature to want to defend yourself--particularly if someone is making salacious claims about the work a person has put out--and it doesn't strike me as odd that Carole would defend herself against Aviva's accusations of ghostwriting

Except that ghost writing (and not plagiarism) is really not that unusual in the writing industry. Consider - Carole was the princess, married to the prince who died, who was best friends with the heir to America's Camelot. Maybe I am old (its possible) but I faintly remember the aura of Camelot.... My mother crying over little John-John gone... Carole's story would not be... unusual to be approached for a ghost written novel. 

Ghost writing is a fairly common practice especially with people who aren't writers or who lack the disciple or the talent. Using a ghost writer is only a problem  if you've built an identity that you ARE a writer. 

If you're actually a writer, then the accusation is laughable. 

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Rewatching this episode and just caught Carol talking about how her and Adam still love each other, while at the Cosmo party. Then she threw in a snarky comment about how she doesn't Crash and Burn relationships, like some people she knows. Of course we know she was referring to Bethenny, but Bethenny had this relationship with Dennis (RIP) that was off and on for a while, yet they still talked and expressed warmth toward each other.   And apparently from some of the news reports they were secretly engaged. So no Carol, Bethany doesn't Crash and Burn all of her relationships.  And writing some silly column about self esteem (so 90's) for a trash mag like Cosmo is nothing to crow about.  Any highschooler can do that!

So got a kick out of Luann's snark about Ramoana's 'Reveal' of her remodeled house.  "So this is the Reveal - Revealing" said only how Lu could in her - "be cool, don't be all uncool" vibe. Hahaha!

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10 minutes ago, DelicateDee said:

Rewatching this episode and just caught Carol talking about how her and Adam still love each other, while at the Cosmo party. Then she threw in a snarky comment about how she doesn't Crash and Burn relationships, like some people she knows. Of course we know she was referring to Bethenny, but Bethenny had this relationship with Dennis (RIP) that was off and on for a while, yet they still talked and expressed warmth toward each other.   And apparently from some of the news reports they were secretly engaged. So no Carol, Bethany doesn't Crash and Burn all of her relationships. 

Yes, that crash and burn comment was a total dig, yet in the reunion preview she tells Andy she never talked badly about her on the show. 

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10 hours ago, chewycandy said:

Yes, that crash and burn comment was a total dig, yet in the reunion preview she tells Andy she never talked badly about her on the show. 

It's the same warped "logic" Bethenny used when she said she never called Carole a puppet.

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5 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

It's the same warped "logic" Bethenny used when she said she never called Carole a puppet.

Exactly, this is the hypocracy that is Carole.  She continues the gaslight with only Bethenny said bad things.  I never said bad things until I saw Bethenny’s THs.  Right Carole, you’re such a victim.

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1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

Exactly, this is the hypocracy that is Carole.  She continues the gaslight with only Bethenny said bad things.  I never said bad things until I saw Bethenny’s THs.  Right Carole, you’re such a victim.

I need a list of these "bad things" Bethenny said about Carole. What things? I seriously do not remember. I recall a couple of glib remarks, but one or two at most, maybe a Beth-nalysis or two? But nothing that would constitute a good old fashioned dragging. Carole, on the other hand has redefined what it is to drag a friend. Her claim that it was merely "setting the record straight" comes across as defensive, and ballsy defensive at that. Setting the record straight means correcting factual inaccuracies, without taking shots and name calling. Please stop, Carole. You're just making it worse.

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