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S05.E13: Damocles. Part Two 2018.08.07

11 hours ago, theschnauzers said:

Eligius 3 was the mission to the new planet that predated the entire storyline of the series that never returned to Earth, Meaning ita\s descendant have been there for more than all the time jumps in the series since the original nuclear holocaust,if youy\think about it.....250 years or so.

That's well over 100 years longer than it took the Grounder civilization to develop after Priamfaya 1.0  on Earth -- so when they land on this new planet they will either find a devolved Grounder-like civilization or the Jetsons.  Or they may find no one at all if there are no food sources.

Plus, shouldn't the Eligius 3 ship still be in orbit around this new planet ?

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7 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

That's well over 100 years longer than it took the Grounder civilization to develop after Priamfaya 1.0  on Earth -- so when they land on this new planet they will either find a devolved Grounder-like civilization or the Jetsons.  Or they may find no one at all if there are no food sources.

Plus, shouldn't the Eligius 3 ship still be in orbit around this new planet ?

Or they cannibalized the Eligius 3 ship to build Earth 2. So far, we've had regressed civilization (Grounders) attacking the 100 as a fearsome enemy. We've had an advanced society (Mt. Weather) using the 100 as biological specimens to solve a medical crisis. We had Alie trying to save humanity by downloading them into an AI a la "The Matrix." Finally, the remainder of civilization had to struggle to survive, yet ending up destroying any chance they had with petty squabbles.

Obviously, they can't land on some kind of utopia with resources and a social structure that works well. The viewers would be bored and the show would be cancelled. My bet is that Earth 2 will have advanced technology, but strict laws that will turn Wonkru and company into criminals almost immediately.

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4 hours ago, ketose said:

Obviously, they can't land on some kind of utopia with resources and a social structure that works well. The viewers would be bored and the show would be cancelled. My bet is that Earth 2 will have advanced technology, but strict laws that will turn Wonkru and company into criminals almost immediately.

I have misgivings that you are right. I say 'misgivings' because these writers have thrown any sense of logic out of the airlock. It doesn't matter how advanced the technology on the ship, human technology and advancement is based on a global infrastructure of factories. The reason the Arc was failing after only 100 years is because they couldn't source a new widget made with some rare Earth element from the factory in India. Or something similar. There's no way even the most advanced technological civilisation could maintain that over 250 years without any basic production infrastructure. And there's no way they could have produced the population to have implemented it either. All their tech would have broken by now and they'd have no way to fix it. The only reason you could maybe handwave the prison ship's survival is that nobody was tinkering with the tech and they were in a vacuum for 100 years.

The civilisation on the new planet should have devolved in the same way we saw in season 1. I mean, not identical but a tribal society, mostly agrarian, with a few poorly-understood pieces of technology lying around. But of course this is TV show and that would be boring so... what kind of society haven't we seen yet? It'll be that.

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It's a matter of resources. If they had something like a 3-D printer, it could make the replacement parts given enough raw materials. If food were plentiful and they could create enough energy for heat and light and communication, I don't see why they couldn't create small scale factories. Of course, technological innovation on Earth is largely driven by financial motives, and that may not be in play on Earth 2.

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On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 4:50 AM, Efzee said:

As for the other comments about Raven's boyfriend knowing the password to the files; I don't think he did because the miners were also unaware of the fate of Eligius 3.

It doesn't even matter if Monty has certain knowledge that Raven's boyfriend doesn't have the passwords.  The solution to breaking into the files that have the coordinates of a habitable planet in less than thirty years is still to wake up him and Raven.  Haven't we spent all season learning that Raven is also awesome at computer hacking and Shaw a close second and most familiar with the ship.

From the perspective of the inner workings of the show, they just needed someone to die in the finale and give a bunch of speeches to tug at Bellamy and Clarke's heartstrings so there is some pretense that there is inner conflict at whatever hard decisions they must make next season.  But Monty spent thirty years and gave up his life to get us here and wouldn't want us to whatever.

In the show, Monty just wanted a ten year rest from having to deal with these people and their melodrama and killing.  He needed a break, so he and Harper decided to have a peaceful life for a while and have a kid. 

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Yeah, I understand Monty and Harper wanting to have a break from all this needless drama.

And I guess there are good reasons for the other open questions too. Like, they couldn't go in and out of cryo-sleep for a week or so every year, they had to age linearly because... cryo-sleep just functions that way? Like, they didn't want their only son to grow up alone, but .... Harper had a medical emergency? Like, Monty can only work on his own so he never woke up anyone else?

I agree with a point made above, it would have bee better had everyone stayed awake for a few weeks at first so they could have aired their grievances. But I do believe that they will have all forgot about them anyways once they wake up next season. I am curious though what that "End of Book 1" Teaser was about. Didn't the book at the base end way earlier anyways?

The new planet will most certainly be inhabited by humans. I can't see them creating expensive CGI-aliens, and the previous ships make that possible. What level this civilization will be, is totally up in the air though... But I am sure they will find a way to create drama, violence, misunderstandings, war and so on for the next season somehow, even though that was the most boring part of this season.

As for the two final episodes, I don't have much to say. Like with most episodes this season, a lot of action and not much development. All the drama of the whole season was resolved in a quick "the commanders have a plan" & let's shoot McCreary. So yeah, lots of wasted screentime.

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While I was tired of the back and forth battles all season, every season, the finale was awesome.  Did not see that coming.  I have read all your thoughts and it makes me think of two particular book series:  The Galahad Series by Testa and Wool (the Silo series?) by Howie.  

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