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S02.E09: Smart Power 2018.06.13

1 hour ago, Umbelina said:

No.  They barely have oranges themselves, and then, only rarely.

Good question @Kel Varnsen, what would they have?  They obviously don't have much electrical power, and whatever oil they still have from Texas, etc. they need to keep, since they closed down all nuclear power and can't get oil from the middle east or Russia to run plants or factories in mass. 

Hell, they don't even have enough wheat "This will be the last wheat bread of the year."

Maybe confiscated money and jewels?  Gold from Fort Knox which they now control?

I wonder if, like ISIS did in Syria, if they're not covertly, or not covertly, selling off the contents of the Met, Guggenheim, the Washington museums, etc., since I doubt Gilead has any interest in art that doesn't fall within what they find acceptable.

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Do Luke, Moira. and Erin have work permits? Are they allowed to have jobs? The laws regarding refugees working in Canada are fraught and vary with circumstances.

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On 6/16/2018 at 3:24 PM, Umbelina said:

 

On 6/16/2018 at 3:05 PM, millennium said:
1 hour ago, Anosmia said:

 

I'm really curious about the new two-state US. Who are the leaders?

I would assume, since they kept the constitution, they had elections for President and VP. 

 

 

Well, if they got rid of the electoral college as suggested above, then at least something good actually came from this horror. 

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Did anyone ever find the "inside the episode" for this one?  So far, it's the only episode without one, and this one I really wanted to see.

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Hulu has the insider clip listed in its’ usual spot, at least for me. It’s the last one uploaded. 

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19 minutes ago, AnswersWanted said:

Hulu has the insider clip listed in its’ usual spot, at least for me. It’s the last one uploaded. 

I'm not seeing it.  I looked last night too.

My screen shows all of the EXCEPT Smart Power. I've had other issues with the Hulu site.  Very odd.

Found it on You Tube just now though.

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@Umbelina, On my computer it's showing up under clips (I don't know if that's where it usually is, I've never watched them before, so you may already know that.)

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On my smart tv app, it's also under Clips. I don't have the phone app, so I don't know where it is there.

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I'm on a PC.

For some reason that seems to cause several issues, including finding the episode when it airs.  It doesn't automatically show up, even with refresh.  The past few weeks it showed up only if I clicked "recently added" but this week that didn't work.  I can't remember what I finally clicked on to make it show up.  Wait, I know what I did, I clicked on last weeks, then "Handmaid's Tale" and THEN it showed up.

Phone aps also seem to update quickly as well.

It's seriously odd.  I don't have this issue on any other PC TV channels.  I don't think it's me, I think it's Hulu.

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13 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I'm on a PC.

For some reason that seems to cause several issues, including finding the episode when it airs.  It doesn't automatically show up, even with refresh.  The past few weeks it showed up only if I clicked "recently added" but this week that didn't work.  I can't remember what I finally clicked on to make it show up.  Wait, I know what I did, I clicked on last weeks, then "Handmaid's Tale" and THEN it showed up.

Phone aps also seem to update quickly as well.

It's seriously odd.  I don't have this issue on any other PC TV channels.  I don't think it's me, I think it's Hulu.

 

You might want to clear your browser cache (history). I manage a website, this is a "fix" that usually works for my users when refreshing doesn't.

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4 hours ago, marinw said:

Do Luke, Moira. and Erin have work permits? Are they alloed to have jobs? The laws regarding refugees working in Canada are fraught and vary with circumstances.

I seem to remember that they were given a lot of these things when they sought asylum. It definitely wasn't part of just the regular immigration process for them. But yes, ordinarily it's super hard for Americans to move to Canada-you can't just pick up and move there. I was denied immigration to Canada because of my health issues, for instance. 

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14 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

You might want to clear your browser cache (history). I manage a website, this is a "fix" that usually works for my users when refreshing doesn't.

Tried that.

It's a strange glitch than only happens on Hulu for me.

At least You Tube had the clip.  ;)

Just now, mamadrama said:

I seem to remember that they were given a lot of these things when they sought asylum. It definitely wasn't part of just the regular immigration process for them. But yes, ordinarily it's super hard for Americans to move to Canada-you can't just pick up and move there. I was denied immigration to Canada because of my health issues, for instance. 

It wouldn't stop them from interviewing and getting paid for books, or speaking gigs though.  I get why Luke is staying in Canada, but it sure seems like others would be speaking out, if not there, than in other countries.  I'd imagine the demand would be HUGE, especially now that those letters are out.  It's the age of the internet where are the bloggers?

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9 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

 

It wouldn't stop them from interviewing and getting paid for books, or speaking gigs though.  I get why Luke is staying in Canada, but it sure seems like others would be speaking out, if not there, than in other countries.  I'd imagine the demand would be HUGE, especially now that those letters are out.  It's the age of the internet where are the bloggers?

Right, I was just answering the question about the work permit part of immigrating to Canada. They would certainly be free to do interviews. 

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43 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

I was denied immigration to Canada because of my health issues, for instance. 

I'm sorry to hear that! We Canadians sometimes aren't as nice as we seem. But immigrating is one thing, escaping a brutal regime is another. I get the impression that the Gilead's refgugees issues are  mostly psychological more than physical.

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3 hours ago, Umbelina said:

Tried that.

It's a strange glitch than only happens on Hulu for me.

At least You Tube had the clip.  ;)

It's hard to know how computer savvy people are, so I was in customer support mode. Forgive me if I seemed condescending.

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On 19. 06. 2018. at 6:53 AM, LittleRed84 said:

She never has a guard follow her around Gilead. She comes and goes as she pleases. Her and June went to the hospital, on walks, to the Putnams, etc. 

The handmaids are guarded because both 1- they are prized possessions that try to escape or kill them selves 

2- one of them just set off a bomb

 

The wives don’t seem to require guarding. I thought her wandering around portrayed how little Fred values her. How men are the priority and she is a decoration that knits. 

I think Serena not being followed in Canada had mostly to do with the image the Waterfords were supposed to present. Oh noes, the wife is right there, she absconds reading and writing for endless knitting and nuh-uh, no way is she followed.  For that purpose I believe only they and Nick went, and Nick was either with Fred at that time, or doing his own thing as he often does.

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6 hours ago, mamadrama said:

 But yes, ordinarily it's super hard for Americans to move to Canada-you can't just pick up and move there. I was denied immigration to Canada because of my health issues, for instance. 

On the other hand in the world of the show Canada has lost their biggest trading partner and is suffering from the same declining birth rates as everyone else. I can totally see them needing to boost their population of adults (who can work) fast. So i can easily see Canada loosening a bunch of our immigration laws.

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2 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

It's hard to know how computer savvy people are, so I was in customer support mode. Forgive me if I seemed condescending.

No, you weren't at all!  Thanks for the ideas.  From what I noticed on twitter, this doesn't seem to be an issue with tablets either.  Very odd.

8 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

On the other hand in the world of the show Canada has lost their biggest trading partner and is suffering from the same declining birth rates as everyone else. I can totally see them needing to boost their population of adults (who can work) fast. So i can easily see Canada loosening a bunch of our immigration laws.

Interesting idea.  Also, some of the escapees are Handmaids, so fertile, and may fall in love and marry a Canadian or become citizens themselves.  I'd bet Canada is also looking for practical, scientific, humane ways to help with the fertility crisis as well.

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4 hours ago, bijoux said:

I think Serena not being followed in Canada had mostly to do with the image the Waterfords were supposed to present. Oh noes, the wife is right there, she absconds reading and writing for endless knitting and nuh-uh, no way is she followed.  For that purpose I believe only they and Nick went, and Nick was either with Fred at that time, or doing his own thing as he often does.

Serena did have guards with her in Canada.  In the scene in the botanical garden, right after she was given her "itinerary" there are two Gilead guardians with Serena and the Canadian woman.  They follow them pretty closely, within about 10-12 feet, so presumably within earshot. 

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In the real world, today, it took Justin Trudeau 2 full days to publicly denounce US practice of forcibly removing children from their parents. And it took that long because he’s dealing with an unstable and unpredictable ruler that can turn on him with no notice while he’s in he middle of negotiating the most important trade deal for his country. Canada really doesn’t want to lose the NAFTA deal. 

So imagine having to take the moral stand that Canada would completely cut off all trade with the US. It would be economically devastating. But, it seems the Canadian government did that in the show. All while taking in an unprecedented number of migrants walking across the border seeking asylum. I can see why the Canadians in the show want to negotiate trade. Their economy must be fucked. But when shit for real, they walked away. So good for them.

And I did love that the senior officials sent to negotiate included a woman and a gay man. It gives me hope that even in this dystopian world, Canada’s default foreign policy includes throwing low-level shade straight at the US. 

One more thing to add: it infuriates me that Canada is getting this show 4 days later than the US. Every week, I promise not to spoil myself and every week I’m reading the Vulture recap by Thursday morning. So annoying. 

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I felt bad for Nick in this episode.  I was expecting him to defect while in Canada.  But, after meeting Luke and being asked to pass on a message to June, Nick felt like he had to return to Gilead and pass along the info to June.  And now he's probably going to die for it (just my speculation), as Eden knows about the letters and will probably on him.  Poor Nick.  

I really had hope that Serna Joy might do the same, defect while in Canada.  But her parting message to June about not staying on after the birth made me realise that wasn't going to happen.  Any hope I had for her is now gone.  Anything bad that happens to her is totally deserved and I really hope she gets what's coming to her.  Add me to the list of people who laughed like crazy when Serena was presented with that picture list of her itinerary!!  That was freaking brilliant!

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