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12 hours ago, Diana06 said:

What was Bill’s deal do you think ? He was so overzealous during the strike then defeated in his final scene. He KNEW Goldie wouldn’t pay. We all did. Was it sinking in that it was the end of an era ? 

It felt to me like Bill just always has bottled up hostility at so many people and this was his hostility at Goldie coming through. Any opportunity to be angry and resentful will get Bill on board! 

11 hours ago, Diana06 said:

Also, what are your views on Ron’s OD. Was it implied that it was intentional ?

He was certainly acting like someone who was suicidal, though I didn't think the idea was that it was literally intentional suicide on his part. (Perhaps intentionally risky, though.) I thought his agreeing to do the spin-off series was played like that was his suicide and that whole final night was him living the life he actually loved one last time, just hanging out with his bff and goofing around. 

It was interesting thinking on how anybody looking at the events of his life (like maybe watching Ron's E True Hollywood Story in the 90s in this universe) would see a guy who seemed very different from the real guy. The Carson appearance, the wedding, quitting the show, the drugs, his castmates hating him, the expensive house, the overnight success. He'd seem like much more of an asshole than he actually was--and his dying of an OD wouldn't seem like a surprise or even much of a tragedy. 

But in person it played to me at least like the type of person who had problems nobody could really see. It's hard to really understand why he was so tortured by the Benny thing--I mean, to the point of being so self-destructive and unable to get any perspective on it. Would have loved to see Eddie's reaction (though I see him swimming in the pool as the better ending, of course)--I really liked their relationship. Much more than Cassie's endless sensitivity about people calling her a bad mother by proxy!

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Okay, I'm curious if anyone else would make even a slight distinction between Ron OD'ing by simply sitting there, doing too much coke, and dying on the couch versus having a heart attack caused as a result of the coke AND the manic overt-exertion (granted, prompted by copious amounts of cocaine) ... his manic skating and skating and skating and not being in great physical condition since he's kind of a lard-ass ... I thought the shots of his face being contorted were his having a heart attack. Not sure he would have had one had he just been hanging out on his couch. 

I think we all knew someone(s) was going to die but props if anyone here had Ron first on their list. 

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On 6/18/2018 at 12:46 AM, Adultosaurus said:

6/17 episode - I'm out.  

Yeah - I deleted 5 episodes (unwatched) from the DVR last night.  I'm not digging in this season.  

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I had a flash that Ron was going to die - when the doctor asked about the mole on his bottom. I thought they were going to go - there. 

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5 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

He was certainly acting like someone who was suicidal, though I didn't think the idea was that it was literally intentional suicide on his part. (Perhaps intentionally risky, though.) I thought his agreeing to do the spin-off series was played like that was his suicide and that whole final night was him living the life he actually loved one last time, just hanging out with his bff and goofing around

Yes that’s kind of what I was thinking. It wasn’t ACTUAL suicide but he had been flirting with danger for quite awhile. He seemed to have given up on the last night.

It was interesting thinking on how anybody looking at the events of his life (like maybe watching Ron's E True Hollywood Story in the 90s in this universe) would see a guy who seemed very different from the real guy. The Carson appearance, the wedding, quitting the show, the drugs, his castmates hating him, the expensive house, the overnight success. He'd seem like much more of an asshole than he actually was--and his dying of an OD wouldn't seem like a surprise or even much of a tragedy. 

That is a really insightful comment. I have met people like this who start behaving like assholes but are actually good people underneath their demons. He didn’t seem to realise how he was affecting people in the end. His cast mates for example.

Sorry Magpie I quoted you incorrectly. I am new here and I stuffed up the formatting.

Anyway great comment!

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As a professional stand up Comic I really like this show. What I can’t figure out is what characters are supposed to be depicting what famous comics? For instance is a Brad Garrets character supposed to be a famous comic or are they all fictional?

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8 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

It felt to me like Bill just always has bottled up hostility at so many people and this was his hostility at Goldie coming through. Any opportunity to be angry and resentful will get Bill on board! 

He was certainly acting like someone who was suicidal, though I didn't think the idea was that it was literally intentional suicide on his part. (Perhaps intentionally risky, though.) I thought his agreeing to do the spin-off series was played like that was his suicide and that whole final night was him living the life he actually loved one last time, just hanging out with his bff and goofing around. 

It was interesting thinking on how anybody looking at the events of his life (like maybe watching Ron's E True Hollywood Story in the 90s in this universe) would see a guy who seemed very different from the real guy. The Carson appearance, the wedding, quitting the show, the drugs, his castmates hating him, the expensive house, the overnight success. He'd seem like much more of an asshole than he actually was--and his dying of an OD wouldn't seem like a surprise or even much of a tragedy. 

But in person it played to me at least like the type of person who had problems nobody could really see. It's hard to really understand why he was so tortured by the Benny thing--I mean, to the point of being so self-destructive and unable to get any perspective on it. Would have loved to see Eddie's reaction (though I see him swimming in the pool as the better ending, of course)--I really liked their relationship. Much more than Cassie's endless sensitivity about people calling her a bad mother by proxy!B

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I think Bill kind of looks at Goldie as another parental figure that had failed him. Also, Bill is in the stage of his career where he realizes that even though he has talent, he is never going to be a superstar. This being said, he had a valid point about Goldie taking advantage of the comedians. I would have found Ron's downward spiral hard to believe, but we just had a couple of extremely talented people commit suicide and the outward success just did not make him happy.

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1 minute ago, qtpye said:

I think Bill kind of look at Goldie as another parental figure that had failed him. Also, Bill is in the stage of his career where he realizes that even though he has talent, he is never going to be a superstar. This being said, he had a valid point about Goldie taking advantage of the comedians. I would have found Ron's downward spiral hard to believe, but we just had a couple of extremely talented people commit suicide and the outward success just did not make him happy.

Totally agree with all of this. I definitely think that Goldie inspires a certain kind of sensitivity in Bill because she's like a parent--even better that he's actually completely correct about how she's taking advantage of them. It dovetails perfectly with his father whose approval he seemed to seek so much without getting anything in return. She could just withhold things because she could. I always thought that was part of what made Bill such an unfunny comic (although as always it's unclear whether he's supposed to be funny or not in this universe). The way he couldn't turn that father into comic material.

The more I think about Ron the more interesting he is because he was the comic who didn't seem tortured. He was clearly unhappy at being known as Benny the Mailman instead of a good stand up comic, but from just knowing him I would have thought he had the ability to step back and laugh at that. Enjoy the money and look for ways to do other things to make a better career for himself. It's only in retrospect that you have to assume there was more going on.

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13 hours ago, Stevegnh said:

As a professional stand up Comic I really like this show. What I can’t figure out is what characters are supposed to be depicting what famous comics? For instance is a Brad Garrets character supposed to be a famous comic or are they all fictional?

my library does not have the book and i'm not going to buy it. why isn't there a spot here on the facebook page where it explains what character is supposed to be the real life who?

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It seems to me that they’ve wrap everything up pretty tight this season. Makes me wonder if there’s any more to tell since it’s based on what really happened. I wonder if they’ll be a season 3?

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I hope there is a season 3. I really like the show. 

BTW, at the end I was surprised only one of them died. I was expecting something terrible to happen to almost all of them. 

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On 7/9/2018 at 8:12 PM, Stevegnh said:

As a professional stand up Comic I really like this show. What I can’t figure out is what characters are supposed to be depicting what famous comics? For instance is a Brad Garrets character supposed to be a famous comic or are they all fictional?

For some reason Brad reminded me of Jackie Gleason. But, I assume the character is a composite since there are no references to him being a formerly successful television star or doing movies later in life.

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As a professional stand up Comic I really like this show. What I can’t figure out is what characters are supposed to be depicting what famous comics? For instance is a Brad Garrets character supposed to be a famous comic or are they all fictional?

I can add some insight here. Just borrowed the book on interlibrary loan because I didn't want to buy it. The story is very specific about a lot of 70s up and coming comics who hung out and worked together at The Comedy Store (Mitzi Shore is the real woman's name) and the Improv. The characters in the show are definitely invented and  composite types more than anything else. The book spends a lot of time describing how the comedy scene migrated from NYC to LA due to the Tonight Show relocating there. Tells a few personal tales about the various comedians, and in the last part digs into the strike and the founding of a comedians' union over several chapters. There is a suicide late in the book. I won't say more in case you decide to read it but no it isn't Freddy Prinze although he is mentioned too.

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On 7/10/2018 at 11:08 AM, msrachelj said:

my library does not have the book and i'm not going to buy it. why isn't there a spot here on the facebook page where it explains what character is supposed to be the real life who?

Not everyone is cut and dried (dry?) ... Some are probably combinations of people ... I think they have to be careful to not go anywhere that they could get in trouble for defamation of character, etc. (I mean, obviously, Richard Pryor is Richard Pryor LOL) ...

I could throw out a few thoughts on my part and I'm sure others could as well so I'll give it a shot off the top of my head ... and most if not all of the "real" comics I'm listing were regulars at the Comedy Store,

Some have posited that Adam is Jimmie Walker (though another poster, can't recall who and I apologize but it was a very insightful comment, also made a partial link of Jimmie Walker as Ron vis a vis his role on a sitcom much like the one Ron was on and having a catchphrase that seemed to rocket him to stardom) ... I get a lot of Franklyn Ajaye from Adam's character personally (huge fan of F.A.)

I think a contributor to Cassie's character is Elayne Boosler (the main female comic in the "boys' club" who was later romantically involved with both Andy Kaufman, who does not seem to be even remotely the genesis of any of the characters, and Robin Williams among others). She was definitely one of the first female standup comics. 

Taking a guess that Eddie is based, at least partly, on Richard Lewis. Al MAY be loosely based partly on Freddie Prinze as the lone Latino comic but other than that I don't get much of a Prinze vibe from him. I've also wondered if Ralph could possibly be partly based on Paul Mooney? 

There are a few very key comics in the book that, honestly, I'd never even heard of who either had long solid careers strictly by doing the late-night talk show circuit and some clubs or other ends (see below), so it's possible that guys like Bill Hobbs et al are based on them rather than people we'd be more likely to recognize ...


One possible VERY loose read on Brad Garrett is that there could be some connection to comic Sammy Shore, who was Mitzi's first husband (Mitzi being the woman Goldie is based on) and a long-time standup comic in Vegas as the opening act for Elvis Presley. I can't recall offhand but didn't Brad Garrett say something about how he was the long-time opening act for someone else famous (Paul Anka maybe?) ... He was the original owner of the Comedy Store and Mitzi got it in the divorce. (That said, I have never read that he was a bad dude, like either Goldie's awful first husband or loony Brad).

I think they played it safe with the finale in allowing it to be neatly wrapped up IF they do not get a third season ... that said, there's a LOT they could do with a Season 3. There was a ton of drama that came down after the strike re: who crossed, who didn't, and how they were treated by the CS (one particular tragic story that is covered in the book is definitely scriptworthy ... not sure if that individual is already being portrayed as one of the characters and because he wasn't really "famous" I haven't figured out who yet) ... there were also prominent individuals who factored in the history who were not part of the cast (such as a long time UNfriendly rivalry between comics Jay Leno and David Letterman which could certainly make for at least a few episodes worth of drama!)

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18 minutes ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

I think a contributor to Cassie's character is Elayne Boosler (the main female comic in the "boys' club" who was later romantically involved with both Andy Kaufman, who does not seem to be even remotely the genesis of any of the characters, and Robin Williams among others). She was definitely one of the first female standup comics. 

Was she also the inspiration for Elaine Bennis on Seinfeld? I think she may have gone out with him too. Obviously she's not literally Elaine, but I think all those characters are loosely based on people in his life (Larry David, Kenny Kramer etc.) and I feel like I remember someone saying Elaine was Elaine Boosler.

She came to my college once and was very funny. Much more so than Cassie, but then that's probably true of everybody on this show.

I really liked the Adam and-totally blanking on his name but the Sonny and Cher writer who was a vet--doing their show. I totally believe that scene in the writer's room when all they could think of to say about Sammy Davis Jr. was that he was black. It's amazing how in the 70s they just did exaggerated racist jokes. I was thinking about that scene recently watching some comedy specials on Netflix that were all done by comics from different backgrounds. The white guy just seemed like a different ethnicity instead of the default. Like his life experience was just as specific as theirs.

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2 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

Was she also the inspiration for Elaine Bennis on Seinfeld? I think she may have gone out with him too. Obviously she's not literally Elaine, but I think all those characters are loosely based on people in his life (Larry David, Kenny Kramer etc.) and I feel like I remember someone saying Elaine was Elaine Boosler.

She came to my college once and was very funny. Much more so than Cassie, but then that's probably true of everybody on this show.

I really liked the Adam and-totally blanking on his name but the Sonny and Cher writer who was a vet--doing their show. I totally believe that scene in the writer's room when all they could think of to say about Sammy Davis Jr. was that he was black. It's amazing how in the 70s they just did exaggerated racist jokes. I was thinking about that scene recently watching some comedy specials on Netflix that were all done by comics from different backgrounds. The white guy just seemed like a different ethnicity instead of the default. Like his life experience was just as specific as theirs.

Adam's writing partner is Ralph, the Vietnam vet guy I think may be based partly on Paul Mooney. LOVE him. "Strange Fruit: The Musical" indeed. 

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9 minutes ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

Adam's writing partner is Ralph, the Vietnam vet guy I think may be based partly on Paul Mooney. LOVE him. "Strange Fruit: The Musical" indeed. 

Thank you! I don't know how I manged to forget his name!

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18 hours ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

Not everyone is cut and dried (dry?) ... Some are probably combinations of people ... I think they have to be careful to not go anywhere that they could get in trouble for defamation of character, etc. (I mean, obviously, Richard Pryor is Richard Pryor LOL) ...

I could throw out a few thoughts on my part and I'm sure others could as well so I'll give it a shot off the top of my head ... and most if not all of the "real" comics I'm listing were regulars at the Comedy Store,

Some have posited that Adam is Jimmie Walker (though another poster, can't recall who and I apologize but it was a very insightful comment, also made a partial link of Jimmie Walker as Ron vis a vis his role on a sitcom much like the one Ron was on and having a catchphrase that seemed to rocket him to stardom) ... I get a lot of Franklyn Ajaye from Adam's character personally (huge fan of F.A.)

I think a contributor to Cassie's character is Elayne Boosler (the main female comic in the "boys' club" who was later romantically involved with both Andy Kaufman, who does not seem to be even remotely the genesis of any of the characters, and Robin Williams among others). She was definitely one of the first female standup comics. 

Taking a guess that Eddie is based, at least partly, on Richard Lewis. Al MAY be loosely based partly on Freddie Prinze as the lone Latino comic but other than that I don't get much of a Prinze vibe from him. I've also wondered if Ralph could possibly be partly based on Paul Mooney? 

There are a few very key comics in the book that, honestly, I'd never even heard of who either had long solid careers strictly by doing the late-night talk show circuit and some clubs or other ends (see below), so it's possible that guys like Bill Hobbs et al are based on them rather than people we'd be more likely to recognize ...


One possible VERY loose read on Brad Garrett is that there could be some connection to comic Sammy Shore, who was Mitzi's first husband (Mitzi being the woman Goldie is based on) and a long-time standup comic in Vegas as the opening act for Elvis Presley. I can't recall offhand but didn't Brad Garrett say something about how he was the long-time opening act for someone else famous (Paul Anka maybe?) ... He was the original owner of the Comedy Store and Mitzi got it in the divorce. (That said, I have never read that he was a bad dude, like either Goldie's awful first husband or loony Brad).

I think they played it safe with the finale in allowing it to be neatly wrapped up IF they do not get a third season ... that said, there's a LOT they could do with a Season 3. There was a ton of drama that came down after the strike re: who crossed, who didn't, and how they were treated by the CS (one particular tragic story that is covered in the book is definitely scriptworthy ... not sure if that individual is already being portrayed as one of the characters and because he wasn't really "famous" I haven't figured out who yet) ... there were also prominent individuals who factored in the history who were not part of the cast (such as a long time UNfriendly rivalry between comics Jay Leno and David Letterman which could certainly make for at least a few episodes worth of drama!)

thanks, very interesting. i wish i could borrow the book from my library  but  they don't carry it. 

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47 minutes ago, msrachelj said:

thanks, very interesting. i wish i could borrow the book from my library  but  they don't carry it. 

I THINK I read mine on Kindle. Do you have an Amazon account? You might be able to read it online. (I admit as much as I love-love-love Kindle and  though I guess I COULD live without it, I wouldn't want to, I am still old-school enough to really love actually holding a book in my hands ... and Kindle doesn't lend itself to places I like to read, like the bathtub, or sitting out in the sun or at the beach, etc.). 

I would also recommend checking eBay or other sites where you can get a great deal on used books. I'm guessing at this point about half of my collection of favorite old books (old being relative) came in that manner (I have a three-shelf bookcase of books I could never get rid of and reread regularly, with about a half-shelf devoted to "new to me" books I've bought). 

ETA: Just one quick look, and I hope I am not breaking any rules here, https://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/im-dying-up-here-william-knoedelseder/1103620439/2683856588939?st=PLA&sid=BNB_DRS_Core+Catch-All,+Low_00000000&2sid=Google_&sourceId=PLGoP212586&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrsqCrKuh3AIVRoezCh3s_w9NEAQYASABEgI9fvD_BwE

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It seems to me that they’ve wrap everything up pretty tight this season. Makes me wonder if there’s any more to tell since it’s based on what really happened. I wonder if they’ll be a season 3?

There seemed to be "resolutions" to most of the characters.  The ones that were left open, imo, were for characters, that I really didn't care what happened to them - ie Cassie, Bill.  I wasn't a big Nick fan, but was happy to see there was sort of a happy ending for him.

If there is a season 3 - what would you all like to see?

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I don't like 90% of the stand-up comedy I've seen, but I find this show gripping. Just a couple episodes into Season 2, and so far so good. (Melissa Leo's big "I'm sorry" aria felt like too much for me, but generally I love her as Goldie.) 

ETA: almost at the end of the season. I really, really wish Nick had killed his uncle and gotten away with it. I guess it would have screwed him up even more, but man that uncle deserved the worst.

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