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anyone else still watching this? i'm surprised it was renewed. not that i don't like it but it doesn't seem to be what people want to watch. i remember the 70's so i love stuff like this.

hard to really love any of the characters. what is going on with the girl in the mental hospital? why did her mom put her there and how did she wind up in jail. lot of jail themes going on.

i don't think the boyfriend of the blonde who is going places is funny. sorry, i can't remember anyone's names. i guess that goes to show how hard it is to get invested. still watching though. anyone else?

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I'm glad this thread appeared, because I totally didn't know the show was back already. (Possibly because Showtime is doing the worst job ever promoting it?)

I think it's a great show and am looking forward to watching S2E1.

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On 5/10/2018 at 12:22 PM, msrachelj said:

anyone else still watching this? i'm surprised it was renewed. not that i don't like it but it doesn't seem to be what people want to watch. i remember the 70's so i love stuff like this.

hard to really love any of the characters. what is going on with the girl in the mental hospital? why did her mom put her there and how did she wind up in jail. lot of jail themes going on.

i don't think the boyfriend of the blonde who is going places is funny. sorry, i can't remember anyone's names. i guess that goes to show how hard it is to get invested. still watching though. anyone else?

I think the biggest problem with the show is that often the stand up is not all that funny. The camaraderie between the comedians and Melissa Leo are awesome, but it is hard to believe that these are the best comedian in LA. When that guy was reading his "My mother is so bad" jokes from his notebook, I thought Brad Garrett's character was going to say they were not funny, not try to take them for his act.

I really did not like the extra pull of Cassie having a son she abandoned with her cousin/sister. I really just want to see about struggling comedians and this felt very soap opera. It explains why she feels so guilty leaving Wink, a place she really does not have a connection with. Also, did not really care about the brat daughter who treats her mother like shit for having the nerve to make a good living after their father abandoned them broke and penniless and then turns around and treats the father like gold. I really hope this is the last we see of the addict daughter storyline since I doubt this show will get a third season since no one seems to care. The Soul Train part was pretty good, but I am going to need Ron to stop acting like a horny teenager and more like a human being. I am guessing he will lose all of his money and his character will probably be written off if

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he develops some sort of drug habit. It will probably be a lesson in the fleeting nature of fame and fortune in show business.

On 5/10/2018 at 1:02 PM, Milburn Stone said:

I'm glad this thread appeared, because I totally didn't know the show was back already. (Possibly because Showtime is doing the worst job ever promoting it?)

I think it's a great show and am looking forward to watching S2E1.

The show is not perfect, but the potential is there. It is crazy when far worse shows are in their sixth season and no one even seems to know that this exists.

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4 hours ago, qtpye said:

I think the biggest problem with the show is that often the stand up is not all that funny. The camaraderie between the comedians and Melissa Leo are awesome, but it is hard to believe that these are the best comedian in LA. When that guy was reading his "My mother is so bad" jokes from his notebook, I thought Brad Garrett's character was going to say they were not funny, not try to take them for his act.

 

Yeah, that was a shock when he wanted to buy anything!

4 hours ago, qtpye said:

I really did not like the extra pull of Cassie having a son she abandoned with her cousin/sister.

It was so obvious that's who the kid was, but it still was ridiculous when she got all sad that she wasn't even considered as the legal guardian should his parents died. I mean...it's not exactly a personal insult. You have a job where you're at work at 4AM at a bar and sleep during the day. Nobody is going to consider you as a guardian for their children no matter how nice you are.

Wow, that guy the daughter brought home to annoy her mother was annoying. Though I get where the daughter's coming from--she's got a really successful mother with a strong personality and it seems like these are the only ways she can compete with her. Doesn't mean I want to watch it her petty attacks on her, though. 

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1 hour ago, sistermagpie said:

Wow, that guy the daughter brought home to annoy her mother was annoying. Though I get where the daughter's coming from--she's got a really successful mother with a strong personality and it seems like these are the only ways she can compete with her. Doesn't mean I want to watch it her petty attacks on her, though. 

Yeah, wait till she goes to her deadbeat father who will probably just steal the $1000 and make her beg her mother for more money.

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God is it possible that this year's episodes are worse than last year. I am not sure if I can take much more of this one.  I only watch it because I am a big Leo fan. Everyone is so nasty. 

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On 5/10/2018 at 9:22 AM, msrachelj said:

anyone else still watching this? i'm surprised it was renewed. not that i don't like it but it doesn't seem to be what people want to watch. i remember the 70's so i love stuff like this.

hard to really love any of the characters. what is going on with the girl in the mental hospital? why did her mom put her there and how did she wind up in jail. lot of jail themes going on.

i don't think the boyfriend of the blonde who is going places is funny. sorry, i can't remember anyone's names. i guess that goes to show how hard it is to get invested. still watching though. anyone else?

I agree with you regarding the storyline of Goldies daughter (the mental hospital girl). It's so far from having any relevance to the core theme of the show. And the daughter's stupid "guru" boyfriend is just beyond ridiculous. 

I like most of the main characters on the show except the goofy looking dork guy with the glasses who makes enough money to afford an over the top home in Hollywood complete with voyueristic peep show swim tank. NO woman would have sex with that guy. Ever. Period. So unrealistic. 

But I find this series more entertaining than most of the crap on Showtime. Even so, I'm cancelling Showtime and getting Hulu. 

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On 5/15/2018 at 1:47 PM, chenoa333 said:

I agree with you regarding the storyline of Goldies daughter (the mental hospital girl). It's so far from having any relevance to the core theme of the show. And the daughter's stupid "guru" boyfriend is just beyond ridiculous. 

I like most of the main characters on the show except the goofy looking dork guy with the glasses who makes enough money to afford an over the top home in Hollywood complete with voyueristic peep show swim tank. NO woman would have sex with that guy. Ever. Period. So unrealistic. 

But I find this series more entertaining than most of the crap on Showtime. Even so, I'm cancelling Showtime and getting Hulu. 

I was through with the daughter when she is being such a bitch to Goldie, who raised her and gave her a financially secure life from nothing, but is good friends with the father who abandoned them and put Goldie in that situation in the first place. I remember from last season when the father slapped Goldie in the face for "messing up his spot", so add physical abuse to this loser's list endearing qualities for father of the year.

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Oh yeah, I totally forgot about Goldie's ex husband. Yipes, he was a total creep.  I agree with you about that daughter, she is worthless in my book.

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What did Cassie say to Nick when he sat with her at the wedding after finding out the the boy was really her son?  I couldn't make it out.

This was a really good episode.  Both Cassie and Goldie were excellent in dealing with "motherhood."

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This show has very unlikable characters. I like Adam and the young guy Cassie is with now, Ralph and that's it.

Bill? is a downer and ugh.  I guess being vested in this show would entail learning the characters' names.

Cindy Chupak is a good writer but I don't know where this show can go.

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5 hours ago, chabelisaywow said:

This show has very unlikable characters. I like Adam and the young guy Cassie is with now, Ralph and that's it.

Bill? is a downer and ugh.  I guess being vested in this show would entail learning the characters' names.

Cindy Chupak is a good writer but I don't know where this show can go.

I think if all the show's characters were happy in their lives they would be more likable but that's the point of the show.  These are starving comics looking to make it big but most of them do not.  I agree that many of them are cringe-worthy at times but their struggles make them more interesting.  Even Goldie, who is at the top of the food chain, has her own issues.  She drinks and smokes all day and has to deal with whiners like Bill.  

I am really enjoying this season.  The show has done a great job of character development.

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I actually really like the show but am keeping it at arm's length since I figure there is absolutely no way in hell it gets renewed for a third season. It was surprising enough that it made it to S2. 

Agree with the liking Adam (LOVE him, can't believe he was a power ranger), Eddie (Michael Angarano can do no wrong by me) and the amazing Erik Griffin whom I fear, after this last episode, may be a casualty (with likelihood of no S3, the gloves are off so to speak). 

I am also very intrigued by a bit player (at this part ... don't know if she'll factor later), Alvira, Dawn's girlfriend. There is something about her face that I just find so expressive. 

I just finished reading the book (non-fiction) upon which the series is semi-loosely based (I mean, it's strongly based right down to the title but there are liberties taken with some of the characters, while others are very recognizable). Maybe the biggest liberty taken is with "Goldie's" ex-husband who, by all rights according to the book, was (or is, because I believe he is still alive) a great guy and totally supportive of her ... he founded The Comedy Store but handed it over to her, partly because he was touring a lot as the regular opening act for Elvis Presley in Vegas. (His name is Sammy Shore ... her son is Pauly Shore, but he's not depicted in this series, obviously). 

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this is one of the few shows on my dvr that I watch right away, while others drift down toward the bottom of the list. Don't know why its so unpopular. I'm very invested in the characters, even the (many) unlikable ones. Even though I detest the cheating story line, my heart still bled for blonde girlfriend (I'm terrible at names) when she was clearly going to bomb her interview for SNL following being outed as a cheater. Yet another opportunity for her to get ahead snatched away from her. This time a disaster of her own making. Also enjoying Clark Duke's story of achieving TV success as a punchline rather than for his stand-up. 

Likely it will not be renewed so I hope they wrap it up sufficiently.

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6 hours ago, BonnieD said:

this is one of the few shows on my dvr that I watch right away, while others drift down toward the bottom of the list. Don't know why its so unpopular. I'm very invested in the characters, even the (many) unlikable ones. Even though I detest the cheating story line, my heart still bled for blonde girlfriend (I'm terrible at names) when she was clearly going to bomb her interview for SNL following being outed as a cheater. Yet another opportunity for her to get ahead snatched away from her. This time a disaster of her own making. Also enjoying Clark Duke's story of achieving TV success as a punchline rather than for his stand-up. 

Likely it will not be renewed so I hope they wrap it up sufficiently.

I like that this show pulls no punches about how hard it is to get ahead in the comedy game. The cast is outstanding and Melissa Leo is a treasure. However, what is wrong with Cassie...does she just want to blow up everything good in her life? I am a little sick of Goldie's issues with her daughter and it always being her downfall. Okay, you raised a brat who does not like you....it hurts like hell (I'm a mother myself), but it does not lower all your other life accomplishments. With all that is going on, I do not think the molestation storyline was needed as we already have a full plate of tragedy (we get it...comics are broken and sad people). I actually am kind of waiting for the rise and fall of the Benny the Mailman character. It reminds me of a lot of B-rate characters who found success on 70's TV, only to end of broke and forgotten by the end of the decade. I am just like you...this is my first watch on Sunday...maybe because I know it will end soon.

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33 minutes ago, qtpye said:

I actually am kind of waiting for the rise and fall of the Benny the Mailman character. It reminds me of a lot of B-rate characters who found success on 70's TV, only to end of broke and forgotten by the end of the decade. I am just like you...this is my first watch on Sunday...maybe because I know it will end soon.

One of the things I consistently love on the show is Dylan Baker's Johnny Carson. He's so effortlessly authoritative and scary without being a character that's supposed to be scary like a villain or a violent person.

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2 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

One of the things I consistently love on the show is Dylan Baker's Johnny Carson. He's so effortless authoritative and scary without being a character that's supposed to be scary like a villain or a violent person.

Yes, Johnny supposedly could be your best friend or your worst nightmare, but he was not some sort of megalomaniac. It is pretty well done and I wish this show would get more love.

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Dylan Baker is one of the best character actors out there, he is in everything everywhere. I don't know how he is doing it,  but I agree he is pulling it off as Carson.  

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I am not the world's biggest Cassie fan but I love the girl-buddy chemistry between her and Dawn and would totally be down for a spin-off of the two of them! Xosha Roquemore is a revelation (and just read that her real-life partner is LaKeith Stanfield, who is one of my absolute favorite actors ... that's a lot of talent in one household!)

ETA: I might be wrong on this but am pretty sure this is correct ... looking at Xosha Roquemore's IMDB, she's listed as having played "Actress # 3" in "Disaster Artist" ... My guess (I can't find the clip of this montage) based on my memory of the film is that she was one of the actresses auditioning to play Lisa, the role that went to Juliette Danielle, who is played in "Disaster Artist" by Ari Graynor. 

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2 hours ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

I am not the world's biggest Cassie fan but I love the girl-buddy chemistry between her and Dawn and would totally be down for a spin-off of the two of them! Xosha Roquemore is a revelation (and just read that her real-life partner is LaKeith Stanfield, who is one of my absolute favorite actors ... that's a lot of talent in one household!)

Yes, one of the show's high points is that the cast has excellent chemistry and Dawn has been a fantastic new addition. I am sort of sick of Ron's self destructive arc. I know we are supposed to feel a little sorry for creative types who are stifled, but he is making so much money and non creative people have to suck it up and go do their jobs for much less until something better comes along.

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I understand the need for realism - but maybe my disappointment in the show had to do with, "there is already so much to be depressed about - can't this show have a little happiness?!"

Thank you, Cindy Chupak for a little bit less of the downer in the latest episode.

Cassie is still not one of my favorites - especially after telling Goldie about Jessie.  She just comes across as very needy.

I loved that Adam stuck up for (still can't remember his name) Angarano's character - telling Cassie not to try and talk to him at that time.

Saw a bit more humanity in the Nick's character - he did stand up for the young boy in Tempe and standing up to the uncle.  Don't forgive, but understand why he cheated with Cassie and the drug use.

Bill. Still don't like Bill, but whatever. LOL every show needs a downer, I suppose - well he did get Nick to Tempe.

Still like Adam and Ralph - hope their show works out.

Goldie hopefully got through to her bratty daughter.

Edgar still is a character that has little development - but Al Madrigal is the reason I watch this show. (GO CATS '89) lol.

Absolutely love how the episode ended in the closet. 

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God, this show makes me want to do drugs.

You never know how the execs work - I can't see how this show will survive. I hope at least they don't leave us hanging.

I'm not a Lebron fan at all, but I hated how Survivor's Remorse was yanked off of the STARS schedule.

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Since Goldie does not pay any of her comics what do these guys do to pay the bills?  I only saw Eddie and his friend (nope can't remember all the names) and Ralph with steady work.  Things must've been dirt cheap back then.  That mic has some hold on people.  I saw a special on Reelz about Robin Williams that even at his peak he still did standup at this little club and even paid their bills to keep it open.

Really not a fan of Goldie as basically she is just using these comics and then bans them from going to other clubs like she is some comedy Don.  Her daughter set her straight about being raised at the club and Mom not having a clue what happened there.   Knowing the fucked up individuals there she leaves her young daughter to these people?  Way to go.  Dad by far is no better but sheesh drop the poor single mom schtick.  After awhile she had money to afford a babysitter.  Cassie can take several seats too.  Be very glad you had someone to raise your kid.  And you are not even funny.

Rant done

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The issue about paying the comics or not is based on the true story of the real-life Goldie/Comedy Store and is covered in detail in the book "I'm Dying Up Here." The comics actually went on strike for quite a while (hope that's not a spoiler ... wonder if it's something they'll cover in a future episode ... how many are left?) and there was big rivalry between CS and Improv ... The "Santa Monica" club is also taken from true life where she opened up that second club as are the differences between who got paid what and where.

mytmo, I also JUST saw that Reelz story on Robin Williams ... for some reason, my TV defaults to that channel so I'm now caught up on lots of "true story" documentaries!

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2 hours ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

The issue about paying the comics or not is based on the true story of the real-life Goldie/Comedy Store and is covered in detail in the book "I'm Dying Up Here." The comics actually went on strike for quite a while (hope that's not a spoiler ... wonder if it's something they'll cover in a future episode ... how many are left?) and there was big rivalry between CS and Improv ... The "Santa Monica" club is also taken from true life where she opened up that second club as are the differences between who got paid what and where.

mytmo, I also JUST saw that Reelz story on Robin Williams ... for some reason, my TV defaults to that channel so I'm now caught up on lots of "true story" documentaries!

Thanks.  I was wondering which comedy club this was based on.  

I thought Robin Williams is one of the funniest people of all time.  Was at Detroit Airport when I heard he died.  I go to Reelz for the autopsies but stay for the behind the scenes stories

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Yes ... Comedy Store is the basis for this. If you like the show (I keep thinking I may be the only person who does!), definitely read the book! It's really outstanding and will not only give you some ideas of who SOME of the characters are based on, some loosely, some pretty accurately (for example, Cassie = Elayne Boosler), but will also shed a lot of light on some of the stories that were integral to the club and the period but are not being tackled in the series (David Letterman vs. Jay Leno). It's a great read!

One major departure is that in real life, Goldie/Mitzi's ex-husband was by all accounts a great guy and very supportive of her and the Store (he was the original owner but handed it over to her because he was a comedian who was, IIRC, Elvis Presley's longtime regular opening act in Las Vegas -- I think there was a bit of that backstory in Roy Martin talking about being Paul Anka's longtime opening act in Vegas, coupled with her bad guy ex Sid having originally owned the Club, right?) ... Also, in real life, she didn't have a daughter but a son, some kid named Pauly something. LOL.

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1 hour ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

Yes ... Comedy Store is the basis for this. If you like the show (I keep thinking I may be the only person who does!), definitely read the book! It's really outstanding and will not only give you some ideas of who SOME of the characters are based on, some loosely, some pretty accurately (for example, Cassie = Elayne Boosler), but will also shed a lot of light on some of the stories that were integral to the club and the period but are not being tackled in the series (David Letterman vs. Jay Leno). It's a great read!

 

Is Ron in any way supposed to be Jimmy Walker? 

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23 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

Is Ron in any way supposed to be Jimmy Walker? 

Do you mean Adam? We were wondering about that. He may be ... that probably is most likely answer  

For some reason though, since beginning of series, I had thought he was based on Franklyn Ajaye (one of my all-time favorite comedians) who was also a regular at CS but I have nothing to back that feeling up than just my first reaction. 

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4 minutes ago, PamelaMaeSnap said:

Do you mean Adam? We were wondering about that. He may be ... that probably is most likely answer  

For some reason though, since beginning of series, I had thought he was based on Franklyn Ajaye (one of my all-time favorite comedians) who was also a regular at CS but I have nothing to back that feeling up than just my first reaction. 

Believe it or not I did mean Ron, not Adam! Not completely, of course, since he's a white guy and nothing like Jimmy Walker, but the whole mailman "It's Benny Time" thing that angered the actors who felt the show used to deal with real problems seemed like Good Times getting swallowed by J.J. and the catch phrase "Dyn-o-mite!"

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On 6/20/2018 at 4:36 PM, sistermagpie said:

Believe it or not I did mean Ron, not Adam! Not completely, of course, since he's a white guy and nothing like Jimmy Walker, but the whole mailman "It's Benny Time" thing that angered the actors who felt the show used to deal with real problems seemed like Good Times getting swallowed by J.J. and the catch phrase "Dyn-o-mite!"

Oh man, totally my bad!!! I hadn't even thought of that but yes, it makes total sense!!!

My mind just shifted to Adam because Mr. Snappy and I had just had long convo the other night about whether he was based on Jimmie Walker or Franklyn Ajaye LOL!

I wonder who (if anyone) Eddie is based on. I adore Michael Angarano. 

ETA: Just watched most recent episode and hubby thinks Eddie is based on Richard Lewis and I think that makes a lot of sense.

 

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On 6/19/2018 at 9:48 AM, mytmo said:

Cassie can take several seats too.  Be very glad you had someone to raise your kid.  And you are not even funny.

Are any of them funny on stage?  I don't know if their material is supposed to be of the era or what but none have them have ever been funny in a stand-up bit, they are all just cynical and crabby.

I liked not having Roy on this episode. With such a big cast, why would they focus on another disillusioned middle aged white male "antiheroes"?  It reminds me of the one and done HBO show Vinyl-let's center this show around the most overdone, cliched character.  Could also lose the daughter stuff.  I mainly enjoy the young guys busting on each other as friends.

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I watched out of the corner of my eye - twice!

How did I miss Nick the junkie getting a radio gig?

Only a few more episodes left, I hope they tie everything up!

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On 6/25/2018 at 12:04 PM, ninjago said:

Are any of them funny on stage?  I don't know if their material is supposed to be of the era or what but none have them have ever been funny in a stand-up bit, they are all just cynical and crabby.

I liked not having Roy on this episode. With such a big cast, why would they focus on another disillusioned middle aged white male "antiheroes"?  It reminds me of the one and done HBO show Vinyl-let's center this show around the most overdone, cliched character.  Could also lose the daughter stuff.  I mainly enjoy the young guys busting on each other as friends.

The biggest weakness of the show is that the supposedly best comedians in LA are really not that funny on stage.  The biggest strength is that the comics have a great camaraderie that feels very authentic. I actually laugh much more at the put-downs between friends than the actual stage performances. I think the fact that the acts were not all that funny is what turned a lot of people off this show. It is ironic that you mentioned Vinyl because Brad Garret and Bobby Cannavale could probably be cast as brothers, as they are both tall kind of Olive skinned guys with deep voices. I really hope Mitch does not forgive Goldie for her stupid daughter's prank. I hate the fact that the slim possibility of being on Carson allows Goldie to manipulate the comics into providing slave labor while she rakes it in on drinks and tickets. I am glad that Bill is realizing that they are being taken advantage of and I really wonder how the hell some of them make a living wage. Being at the club all night is not conducive to having a nine to five job.

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What Cassie did on stage, during confrontation and afterward was so typical. I'm so glad she didn't go full victim and cry to Goldie about how threatening and scary Dawn was when pointing out Cassie's line stepping though.

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goldie and the person she is based on really did (do?) pull a fast on these, mostly literally, poor comedians. how did (do?) these club owners get away with it? not paying your help. i can see a one timer, but these are regulars.  so unfair. she's raking in the dough and using the excuse it is a school?

i like nick and i hate that he is doing drugs again. 

i tried to find the book this is based on but my library doesn't carry it and i'm not paying for it. is there somewhere where we can find out the real life counterparts to the actors?

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On 6/29/2018 at 2:32 PM, msrachelj said:

goldie and the person she is based on really did (do?) pull a fast on these, mostly literally, poor comedians. how did (do?) these club owners get away with it? not paying your help. i can see a one timer, but these are regulars.  so unfair. she's raking in the dough and using the excuse it is a school?

i like nick and i hate that he is doing drugs again. 

i tried to find the book this is based on but my library doesn't carry it and i'm not paying for it. is there somewhere where we can find out the real life counterparts to the actors?

The funny thing is that getting on Carson was not really a guarantee of anything. It was a great opportunity, but it really did not always mean you would have a secure career.

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latest episode. goldie is really a money hungry bitch. i wish her daughter would keep her mouth shut about what she overheard. i'd really love to read the book! 

i can't believe brad garrett is getting electro shock therapy. looks like against his will. who committed him? 

did cassie's sister? legally adopt her son? she's not very sympathetic either. funny how so much was not talked about as late as the 70's.  

to the poster above who said ron is jimmy walker, i can see it now. 

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18 minutes ago, msrachelj said:

did cassie's sister? legally adopt her son? she's not very sympathetic either. funny how so much was not talked about as late as the 70's.  

I don't have much thoughts about her as a character in her own right because she seems to just mostly be there to be in conflict with Cassie, but it really does seem like all of Cassie's interactions with that kid are inappropriate and selfish. 

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19 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

I don't have much thoughts about her as a character in her own right because she seems to just mostly be there to be in conflict with Cassie, but it really does seem like all of Cassie's interactions with that kid are inappropriate and selfish. 

I think Cassie is feeling the pangs of motherhood because her career is going nowhere. Her special was prempted by a storm and she blew her chance at SNL by having to take care of Nick. As a mother, giving her child up for adoption at a young age  to a loving family was an incredibly brave thing to do. Jessie seems to be happy and healthy. Cassie is mistaking being the fun aunt with being a mother. If she tells Jessie the truth now, she could really mess the kid up and that would be selfish. Melissa Leo is amazing as Goldie but she is really fucking the comedians over for her own benefit.  She refuses to pay them and bars them from performing at any clubs that would pay them. She is taking advantage of desperate people looking for a break. It was nice to see the season one people again and that they moved on with their lives in a positive way.

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25 minutes ago, qtpye said:

I think Cassie is feeling the pangs of motherhood because her career is going nowhere. Her special was prempted by a storm and she blew her chance at SNL by having to take care of Nick. As a mother, giving her child up for adoption at a young age  to a loving family was an incredibly brave thing to do. Jessie seems to be happy and healthy. Cassie is mistaking being the fun aunt with being a mother. If she tells Jessie the truth now, she could really mess the kid up and that would be selfish. Melissa Leo is amazing as Goldie but she is really fucking the comedians over for her own benefit.  She refuses to pay them and bars them from performing at any clubs that would pay them. She is taking advantage of desperate people looking for a break. It was nice to see the season one people again and that they moved on with their lives in a positive way.

Yeah, I agree about both. She doesn't seem to realize how serious her impulses towards wanting a partial do-over here are. Especially whens he does things so obvious as invite the one kid to Disneyworld without the others. A fun aunt wouldn't do that--a bio-mom would, but they didn't choose an open adoption so it's just flirting with the truth coming out. She even already had that bad moment at the wedding when she needed Jesse to give her the emotional feedback she was craving and he didn't and she got angry at him.

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1 hour ago, sistermagpie said:

Yeah, I agree about both. She doesn't seem to realize how serious her impulses towards wanting a partial do-over here are. Especially whens he does things so obvious as invite the one kid to Disneyworld without the others. A fun aunt wouldn't do that--a bio-mom would, but they didn't choose an open adoption so it's just flirting with the truth coming out. She even already had that bad moment at the wedding when she needed Jesse to give her the emotional feedback she was craving and he didn't and she got angry at him.

her sister not telling the child that his "aunt" is his mom is insane. it's gonna bite them all in the ass someday soon. not a secret you can keep. what are they thinking. honesty is best in most situations. like this one.

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6 minutes ago, msrachelj said:

her sister not telling the child that his "aunt" is his mom is insane. it's gonna bite them all in the ass someday soon. not a secret you can keep. what are they thinking. honesty is best in most situations. like this one.

I think that would probably be considered common sense today but at that time the standard thing to do would totally be this way. There's lots of people who only later in life discovered an aunt or a sister was actually their mother--maybe some never found out. But even if it certainly would be better for everyone concerned if this was out in the open, Cassie occasionally having bursts of wanting to have a special bond with a boy who doesn't have much feeling for her isn't honest either--she might not have wanted him to know at the time of his birth either.

I mean, one more advantage--or maybe disadvantage at this point in his life, maybe--is that if he knew Cassie was his mother he'd already be dealing with whatever emotions he might have about her not raising him herself and about having a different origin than his sisters. It doesn't seem like Cassie much wants to deal with that, specifically.

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Early 70s Stones has to indicate that Ron ODed, right?

You know some grimy shit is going to happen when they bust out "Exile on Main Street" for the soundtrack.

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So, Ron's dead, I guess.  Is Cassie's purse a permanent part of her wardrobe?

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Oh no, not Ron ! Damn. What a strange ending. Ron dies and Roy and Nick survive.

I enjoyed series 2. I know it wasn’t perfect and the comedy was lame, but many of the characters were interesting.

What was Bill’s deal do you think ? He was so overzealous during the strike then defeated in his final scene. He KNEW Goldie wouldn’t pay. We all did. Was it sinking in that it was the end of an era ? 

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Also, what are your views on Ron’s OD. Was it implied that it was intentional ?

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