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S01.E10: It's Here 2018.04.15

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Ramon goes missing after a disturbing family incident. Audrey clashes with Steve during and after a morning talk show. Ashley and Malcolm weigh the pros and cons of a corporate future. Farid’s guilt drives him to extremes, damaging his family ties. Greg gets enlightenment during a visit with Audrey’s brother Ike. A cataclysmic event shakes the family to its core.

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Things I enjoyed; Audrey telling Steven to fuck off in the hallway (OH YEAH). I also liked Greg telling off Duc; yes; Greg is a flawed person, but Duc is no prize either. Also, Ramon almost pulling off the Ferris Bueller move jumping over the fence into someone's back yard.

All in all I didn't hate this show, and there are some parts I really liked. I liked Greg a lot more at the end of the season than the beginning, so that was a plus.

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This is how it ended? Not with a whimper but a bang? Which was really a whimper?

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WTF did I just watch? This show makes less sense the further into the episode I get.

I don't think I care about any of the bigger questions...but where did Farid get the cat-o'-nine tails? Did he buy another one in the US, or am I supposed to believe his uncle who smuggled him out of Iran allowed him to bring that along with him? And where did Ramon get the face mask?

I don't see this show returning for another season on HBO. It doesn't have any real direction and ostensibly did not resonate with viewers. 

The very last image we may ever have is Ramon walking into the hazardous volcanic ash to his doom, and that's okay with me.

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What the hell was that?

I have a pretty high tolerance for shit in shows (I'll complain about it, but in the end there are only a few things that will make me turn off a show in disgust), but the end of this one was so absolutely nonsensical that it probably ruined the whole season for me.  First of all, nothing really happened except Mt. Hood erupted...which, if that were to happen, would not be a surprise.  Seismologists get fair warning about things like that (and, thanks to Hood's proximity to Mt. St. Helens, there are quite a few seismologists watching Hood).

So, what are we supposed to think about all this?  That mental illness is just being in touch with some sort of higher plane and we shouldn't treat it?  Because, that was what I think this show was trying to tell us....

Ugh...now, of course, I can hate it all I want but, if it comes back for another season, I kind of feel compelled to watch it just so I know what the hell just happened....

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I liked the show - especially that I never quite knew which way it was going. 

   When it first premiered it kind of reminded me of an edgier This is us.

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So Ramon just happened to have a mask in his pocket? Okay then. Maybe he's secretly one of those doomsday preppers who always has emergency supplies stuffed into his pockets!

Kristen needs to have a seat. First she has clearly not learned a lesson about birth control. ALWAYS USE A CONDOM, FFS!

Even if she's on the pill and he's a virgin, they should still be using a condom. When I was in a committed monogamous relationship with my first boyfriend (we were both virgins), I still used two forms of birth control for the 2+ years that we were together.

Loved the caller who asked Steve all the questions that Audrey had. Buh bye, Steve.

One thing that seemed realistic to me was that as soon as Audrey defended Ramon, both Ashley and Duc reverted back to resenting Ramon and referring to him as baby Jesus who never gets blamed for anythng. In theory, I get it. My parents were really tough on me (I was the oldest of three) and to this day still let my youngest sister get away with all kinds of stuff. Our other sister sometimes gets really bitter about it so I'm familiar with the dynamic.

Malcolm punching Ramon was over the line though. To me, that's like punching someone who has cancer. It's not Ramon's fault that he's seeing these things. I did find it interesting that Audrey, the one who was so insistent on Farid prescribing medication for Ramon ASAP, was the one who asked Ashley is she was suggesting they put Ramon in an institution. Also interesting that Hailey smelled smoke too. So it's all real?

Farid was really losing it. I don't blame Layla and Navid for being afraid.

Honestly, my biggest feeling about this episode was that I'm finally glad the season is over.

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I'm still trying to figure out how the homeless man took Ramon's bike WHILE he was riding it.  Also, who exactly was "Henry" that slept with Ramon since the dirty homeless man said his name was Henry Bergin.  

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For me, the most interesting part of this episode was Greg revealing he knew about Duc's sexual escapades in Vancouver, followed by the homeless bike thief being the real Henry; all along I felt like "Henry" was hiding something big, & I don't mean his homelessness.

I like Carmen, & think she's really good for Duc. In a way, out of everyone, I think Duc (& Farid) are the most messed up. I also liked Audrey's brother Ike.

While I agree there were some gaps & holes, I still overall enjoyed the series. I hope it returns because I especially want to know what the deal with "Henry" is...

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Everyone on this show is FUCKED up with a capital F, but I still like it. I hope it gets a second season. Tho I have no actual idea what it's all about, in the end.

Ramon was still in town when the volcano blew, I assumed he just popped into a Walgreens to pick up a mask before venturing further. But it's...what, 70, 80 miles from Portland to Mt Hood? he sure did a lot of walking.

I'm kind of bummed that Steven is a douchebag.

I still hate Greg.

I would run screaming from this family. Anyone who gets involved with ANY of them is insane. And cheers to Layla for getting the eff out. Farid said he'd gotten that cat o' nine tails after 'the last time'. No, he nor his uncle smuggled it out of Iran.

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I'll answer some of the questions posed in the above:

Disclaimer: I don't read other blogs or postings so these are my theories...

Baby Jesus got the mask from emergency workers..they showed the workers giving out masks and water to people on the street after the mountain started spewing ash...

Hailey smelling smoke...perhaps she is like Ramon and Audrey's brother, Ike...those 3  are "fire sensitive" smelling and seeing it...

To knock someone off a bike, you rush up and blindside them as they pedal along..it is violent because you are basically tackling them off a moving frame of metal...Hollywood stunt stuff...real life.. more crashing hard to the street

Ramon finds out that his barista bf was using the homeless guy's name so who was that guy that had Ramon's apt. key and shared his bed?

 Malcolm(do not trust the dude), the 2 Boxed Checked Woman, the Woman of Color trying to convey something to Ashley at the Cloth meeting... what will they mean to Ashley for next season?...Her story line is interesting...

 Eww, sex with Duc...especially after he mentions and  had explosive diarrhea....that's acting for you...

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1 hour ago, humbleopinion said:

Hailey smelling smoke...perhaps she is like Ramon and Audrey's brother, Ike...those 3  are "fire sensitive" smelling and seeing it...

 

I thought that the smoke Hailey had noticed had been from whatever was in the oven that burned (at the end of the last episode...)_

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what bothered me the most was that Navid walked around with a busted face having been SEVERELY BEATEN, and no one bothers to take him to the doctor or call the police, because they all have so many more pressing issues, like breaking up or flogging themselves silly...

the visuals of Ramon dirty and wearing a face mask, like the people in his “vision “ at the games expo was interesting.

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3 hours ago, IslandGirl said:

For me, the most interesting part of this episode was Greg revealing he knew about Duc's sexual escapades in Vancouver, followed by the homeless bike thief being the real Henry; all along I felt like "Henry" was hiding something big, & I don't mean his homelessness.
 

Considering that the recap made it a point to remind us that imposter Henry told Ramon "Whatever is happening to you, don't come at it from fear," my theory is that Ramon's former boyfriend is an earthly manifestation of the fiery djinn we see in his video game. He has been guiding Ramon and having him literally chase him to Mt. Hood, for reasons unknown.

There was a brief discussion about djinn in a previous episode at the Chokrani household about their purpose in guiding or intervening with humankind. 

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Now that I've had some time to recover from the pure stupidity of the ending, more things that bugged me have come to mind.

Malcolm really got the shift here with Audrey.  When Ashley was taking Hailey to the hospital and Audrey interjected herself saying that Hailey needed NURTURING WOMEN more than her own father, I want slap her.  First of all, Audrey is anything but nurturing.  I mean, she tries to be, but she actually smothers more than she nurtures.  Secondly, everything that we've seen about Malcolm and Hailey in this show has told us that Malcolm *is* the nurturing parent for Hailey.  The fact that Audrey just cut him out of that whole thing with his own daughter was nothing short of sexist.

8 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Malcolm punching Ramon was over the line though. To me, that's like punching someone who has cancer. It's not Ramon's fault that he's seeing these things. I did find it interesting that Audrey, the one who was so insistent on Farid prescribing medication for Ramon ASAP, was the one who asked Ashley is she was suggesting they put Ramon in an institution. Also interesting that Hailey smelled smoke too. So it's all real?

I have to disagree with this.  I'm not a fan of physical violence, but Malcolm had just watched his own daughter be thrown onto the ground from at least a second-story height (and was obviously injured).  Is that an excuse for violence, especially with what we know about Ramon?  Probably not to someone who is not involved in the scene, but Malcolm (and most others there) were running on pure adrenaline.  He was not in a position to stop, think, and consider what might be the most appropriate way to address the situation while still validating the feelings of others.  His kid was in danger, as far as he knew, Ramon could have been coming back at Hailey.  He was scared, he was mad, and he had gone to that reptilian part of his brain that just reacts.  

Also, the smoke that Hailey smelled came from the kitchen.

I know it sounds like I'm a Malcolm defender--I'm not.  I just think in this particular episode he was treated pretty unfairly.  If this show gets another season, I would hope that this all wraps up into a better story line for him and Ashley.

5 hours ago, luna1122 said:

Ramon was still in town when the volcano blew, I assumed he just popped into a Walgreens to pick up a mask before venturing further. But it's...what, 70, 80 miles from Portland to Mt Hood? he sure did a lot of walking.

 

It's about 60 miles from Portland to Govermnent Camp, which is the town on Mt. Hood before all the ski resorts (I believe it is the community at the highest elevation, but don't quote me on that).  Portland is about 30-40 miles to the base of Mt. Hood--which is still a lot of walking to where it sort of appears Ramon was.  Except it's even farther.  It's hard to tell with truly shitty CGI--and that was truly shitty CGI--but just judging by the rise on the foothills, it actually like he was approaching from the East, not the West.

The whole Mt. Hood thing was just absurd.  As I said above, if Mt. Hood were potentially going to erupt, seismologists could give days, if not weeks, of notice.  Why didn't they just say it was Mt. St. Helens that erupted?  It's visible from Portland and it's actually only 10-20 miles farther away from the city.  Plus, if Mt. Hood were to erupt, that would be news of sort of an apocalyptic level in Portland.  If Mt. St. Helens erupted (again), people would sort of shrug and head for high ground to get a better view.  MSH hasn't gone off for a couple of years, but it has erupted a few times since 1980 and it's not exactly a surprise when it happens.

I will say that I did like the scene between Farid and the Imam.  I'm not Muslim, but I really felt that it had a universal message about spirituality.  So, I guess that was one good thing that happened in this ep...

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Audrey, pushing aside the father of the injured child:  "She needs to be with women!" I now officially hate Audrey.  And Ashley agreeing with her, what a bitch!  And then the "nurturing women" yelling at each other in the waiting room.  They are all hopeless.  The only female I can stand is Farid's poor wife.

I have only a vague memory of "John from Cincinnati," but this show seems about as pointless, confusing, and ridiculous as that was.

 

As I was typing this, Hazel Eyes posted a more comprehensive message on the Audrey scene.  It was sexist, but I thought it more just obnoxious and Audrey being a Bitch Queen Bee. And I agree that Malcom's reaction was understandable, if not the best.  Really, if Audrey were so "nurturing," she would never have allowed her unstable, erratic, mentally ill son to be alone unsupervised with a small child.  He is not evil, but frighteningly unpredictable.

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Darn it...was hoping Hailey had something interesting about her other than a too too precious kid...not the actor’s fault ...she is doing her best with what they write for her

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Well, that was underwhelming.  Glad to see that I am not the only one to be wondering what I just watched!  I guess I hoped that they would provide a FEW answers, but maybe they are counting on a second season to start bringing things into focus.

 I appreciated the djinn theory that Rahul posed here earlier--that sort of makes sense to me.  I don't get what the psychic connection was between Ramone and Farid.  Ramone "seeing" things from Farid's life was somewhat explained, but why was Farid seeing Ramone's mother?  Why was Ramone going to the volcano?  Where were the security people who I am sure would be posted to keep curiosity seekers from doing exactly that!?  What were all the shadows that appeared around Ramone when he faced the burning man at the base of the volcano?  So many questions . . .sigh.

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6 hours ago, Rahul said:

Considering that the recap made it a point to remind us that imposter Henry told Ramon "Whatever is happening to you, don't come at it from fear," my theory is that Ramon's former boyfriend is an earthly manifestation of the fiery djinn we see in his video game. He has been guiding Ramon and having him literally chase him to Mt. Hood, for reasons unknown.

There was a brief discussion about djinn in a previous episode at the Chokrani household about their purpose in guiding or intervening with humankind. 

Rahul, that's a really compelling theory! 

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There are similarities with The Leftovers and it's probably not a coincidence.

Both shows feature anguished characters, metaphysical/spiritual (though of a fundamentalist nature) overtones and imagery, confrontational public (no GR in Here and Now but there are several instances of strangers getting in other people's faces)

I would hate to think Ball and the other creators felt they had to use similar gimmicks to get the show on HBO and get noticed.

For some stretches, they made it a conventional drama, though they finish with what can only be seen as an otherworldly occurrence.  The man on fire escapes the computer and then communicates to Ramon to be at the certain place, as if to lead him towards the eruption.  But they won't go full-on genre like a fantasy magic knockoff of LoTR, just as The Leftovers didn't either -- Leftovers tried to have it both ways, with events that at first seemed to be other-worldly but then had some plausible real-world explanation.

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So that happened. I'll say it got sort of interesting in the last few minutes but that's about as much credit as I care to give it.  

Honestly, my take-away is that the men in white coats should come and take both Ramon and Farid and put them in a nice room with nice padded walls and put them in nice jackets that'll make 'em all snug and secure. It just seems like Farid's story devolved and became weirder and less compelling as the season progressed, to the point where he was full-on loony tunes. By the time he was flogging himself I was done with him. Just - take him away. Really.

Somehow I think Ashely is the one who annoys me the most. Somebody explain to me why I should find her inner turmoil about whether or not to accept a 4 to 5 million dollar offer the least bit compelling, let alone relatable. Oh, poor you, Ashley! You have such struggles! What will you do? 

Ten episodes, and I have no idea what this show is trying to say, or what it is trying to accomplish. It's just sort of all over the place.

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Anyone know if this is getting a second season?  

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HBO hasn't announced one way or another. Given the star power in front of the camera I'd be surprised if it didn't get a second season. Divorced wasn't a critical or commercial success either but got a renewal mostly because of its star.

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I admit I did stick with this series for all the episodes.  However, I ended up hate watching and sticking around only because I hoped all the loose ends would somehow end up tied together.  Doesn't matter to me if there's another season or not, I'm done.  

While watching, I couldn't help but think that Holly Hunter and Tim Robbins need to give some serious thought to where their careers are going and how they ended up in such awful roles on such a terrible program.  

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While I enjoyed some of the season I have no clue what this show is about.  I like Ramon except when he is seeing things.

I agree with others that I can’t believe no one called the police after the 2 kids were beat up.

The only other character I like is Greg.  He seems to be the only normal one.  The rest all seem so random.

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I watch this show so sporadically that I can’t keep up with all the names, but Navid’s friend who got beat up with him and IMO looks about 28-years-old...when she explained that no condom was needed because he was a virgin, did anyone else think but you’re not, and you didn’t use a condom before when you got an STD, and a negative HIV test I am quite sure needs to be taken again in six months. She is actually quite high risk for that since her partner is a receiver of anal sex and evidently not religious about condom use, and who sleeps with transients (whether he knew at the time or not).

I don’t think they’ll do an AIDS plot (though IMO they should), but I thought she was so deeply selfish in that moment.

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On 4/20/2018 at 4:34 PM, iMonrey said:

HBO hasn't announced one way or another. Given the star power in front of the camera I'd be surprised if it didn't get a second season. Divorced wasn't a critical or commercial success either but got a renewal mostly because of its star.

They have. Show's over.

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9 hours ago, The Mighty Peanut said:

I watch this show so sporadically that I can’t keep up with all the names, but Navid’s friend who got beat up with him and IMO looks about 28-years-old...when she explained that no condom was needed because he was a virgin, did anyone else think but you’re not, and you didn’t use a condom before when you got an STD, and a negative HIV test I am quite sure needs to be taken again in six months. She is actually quite high risk for that since her partner is a receiver of anal sex and evidently not religious about condom use, and who sleeps with transients (whether he knew at the time or not).

I don’t think they’ll do an AIDS plot (though IMO they should), but I thought she was so deeply selfish in that moment.

Navid's friend is Kristin. Previous to having sex with Navid, the only person she had slept with was Randy, the male model (in the treehouse during Greg's birthday party). Navid was a virgin, so he was not a receiver of anal sex or sleeping with transients. Kristin's brother Ramon is the one who slept with Henry the homeless barista.

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The actress who played Kristen, Sosie Bacon, is actually 26.

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On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 3:37 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

When I was in a committed monogamous relationship with my first boyfriend (we were both virgins), I still used two forms of birth control for the 2+ years that we were together.

This cracks me up, because I was exactly the same--two virgins, two years, TWO forms of birth  control at all times.  High five, my anxious/responsible sister from way back when.

 

I learned about the cancellation just as I was starting this last episode, which cast everything into a different light:  your story ends here and your story ends there.

I wonder if Jerrika Hinton was disappointed to have her story veer off from the very interesting conflict of her increasing alienation from her white husband/parents to the totally unsympathetic angst of five million dollars?

I admit I enjoyed Kristin's distress that it didn't matter HOW much she wanted Navid to stay, she wasn't getting it.  Ha, never a big Kristin fan.  Loved Navid, though; I would've wanted more of him in Season Two World.

I liked the basic "fucked-up family" stories more than the mystical plotlines, but Ike would have made a good addition--Ted Levine's always solid.  And the mystery of Henry was tantalizing. 

Ah well.

 

A for effort, Alan Ball.  When your next project is ready, I'm in.

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12 hours ago, candall said:

This cracks me up, because I was exactly the same--two virgins, two years, TWO forms of birth  control at all times.  High five, my anxious/responsible sister from way back when.

Ha, I'm glad I wasn't the only one! But to the credit of the paranoid two birth control method, we never had a pregnancy scare. I don't know if teens in general are more lax in attitude about that kind of thing now or if it's just Kristen who is completely unconcerned. You'd think after getting an STD, she'd be all for using condoms.

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So bummed that this show was canceled- thought it was mysterious and provocative. Ensemble cast was also exceptional- why was this not picked up?

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On 5/12/2018 at 1:01 AM, ArmoPrincess said:

Ensemble cast was also exceptional- why was this not picked up?

Because a guy threw a little girl out of a treehouse because he imagined it to be on fire, and he's not on 24/7 watch after that?  Because a psychiatrist and his patient both saw visions of the same women gouging her face, and neither of them was getting proper help?  Because Ramon's burning man vision could be seen by others in his video game in some AI kind of way, but then led him to an odyssey to a volcano?

Just saying, this show was three in one, and none of them worked when put together.  I liked the dysfunctional family drama and would have enjoyed an exploration of that, particularly the adopted siblings and how they became who they are.  I was intrigued by psychiatrist and Ramon's connected visions, and just about believed they were maybe related and shared some past in some way.  I could have liked a supernatural show focused on the Ramon's visions.  All together, this show was a mess, unpleasant to watch in many ways, and didn't know what it wanted to be.  Pick a lane and go somewhere with it!

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Six feet Under was so well written, the characters engaging so you expected this Alan Ball project to be as good.

Mr. Ball is not taking too kindly to the criticism of this show by saying he doesn't care if people like it or not.

Which means he's pissed audiences aren't fawning all over this show...

He has written/created a family of unlikable characters....

Maybe some other network like hulu will pick it up...

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I haven't seen official reaction from Ball.

He may probably be working on something else by now.

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On 5/13/2018 at 12:40 PM, izabella said:

Because a guy threw a little girl out of a treehouse because he imagined it to be on fire, and he's not on 24/7 watch after that?  Because a psychiatrist and his patient both saw visions of the same women gouging her face, and neither of them was getting proper help?  Because Ramon's burning man vision could be seen by others in his video game in some AI kind of way, but then led him to an odyssey to a volcano?

Just saying, this show was three in one, and none of them worked when put together.  I liked the dysfunctional family drama and would have enjoyed an exploration of that, particularly the adopted siblings and how they became who they are.  I was intrigued by psychiatrist and Ramon's connected visions, and just about believed they were maybe related and shared some past in some way.  I could have liked a supernatural show focused on the Ramon's visions.  All together, this show was a mess, unpleasant to watch in many ways, and didn't know what it wanted to be.  Pick a lane and go somewhere with it!

My take on the show was that it was more Stephen King than Sybil-mental health. I guess that’s why I liked it more. Anyway, I’ll never know what 1111 meant to the Creators. 

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